Starjumper

Yeah, and don't forget to kill you ego so you can experience your true self.

This is true and once they get to know you they don't even need to be standing next to you to do it. Other than that no one would recognize a Taoist master on the street.

Very good, Taoists are not so emotionally and spiritually handicapped that they concern themselves with those useless, ridiculous, Buddhist questions that the original poster spewed.

Hi Dao Zhen, I wish you well in your quest to overlook the insults of those who know little, it is a common thing on some Taoism forums, unfortunately, and can become tiresome. I have a friend who has studied with Mr. Saihung and he agrees with you, he was very impressed with Saihung's great strength and mobility even though he was so old.

That's an excellent description of the feeling I get here.

I do.

Every single thing about this is wrong wrong wrong, amazing! Women feel chi more easily because they have softer muscles, also men who do not do hard physical work or exercises have an easier time of it for the same reason. Hard muscles have more tension and tension blocks energy and sensation of it.

Finding a 'full' system to practice and experiencing the result would make people thank that.

Truth speaks truth. It seems many people on this forum enjoy playing with their energy in order to have cool experiences, which is just like masturbation, while neglecting basic principles of safety. These practices will probably not increase your health and in fact will probably take away from it. These energy orgasms that are the product of this energy masturbation also are not the path to spiritual growth.

I met someone who was permanently damaged by doing the Chia style MCO. The safest practices are moving chi kung combined with stillness meditation. When you force energy around with your mind you can get in big trouble, particularly if your health is poor (physically or emotionally) and/or you are very sedentary.

Next you have to ask yourself who the hell gives a flying flapjack whether or not you get something proven to you. I know a Shaolin master who pushed a person through a solid concrete wall. He asked the person: "Do you want to end up on the other side of the wall on this floor or upstairs?" You can trust ME, Buddy

Thanks Wabbit, I will try this tonight. I have had the experience of the intense body vibration feeling but no buzzing in the ears.

You've got some good points there. I used to believe that all such things, including chi, were nonexistent. However upon spending some years with an advanced master I found I was wrong every single time (except for the existence of a monotheistic god =) so now I try to have no beliefs and I am open to all possibilities. An agnostic, if you will. I know people can be victim to suggestibility but I also know the power of mass belief (combined elementals) can create power so it is a very ambiguous situation. I can make up a situation to explain the experience of the Holly Ghost in terms of my reality but what's the use. I like to be practical and don't care much for theories about what is reality. What I feel is reality to me and that's good enough for me, I really don't care what others have felt since there's nothing I can really do about that. The exception is my students, who have the goal of cultivating chi power, and so I check in on what it is they feel and can do with it. All I can suggest is that if people really want to experience chi then they can do the right exercises and learn it for themselves. Even the charlatan Max Kunlun can provide that experience for them. Anything that is internal and mental and based on feeling is not provable to the great unwashed, ever!

Your observations have merit, but Buddy, who is worse than a dimwit, he is dimwad, is not deserving of explanations. It's true there are other proportions and I was incorrect in saying all systems. Some systems have direct proportionality. it's more like prevalent in all systems where people are working to 'gain' something. Whether it is health or wealth or chi power. If we plot these things we will invariably end up with a bell curve. The bell curve is so prevalent in nature that I think we can get away with calling it a law, a law of statistics, if you will. Depending on how we count and arrange our graph paper, a bell curve can also be represented as a hyperbolic curve along X and Y axes. Using wealth as a well known variable we find that the fewest people have the most money, a moderate amount of people have a moderate amount of money, and the most people have the least. Common knowledge. We can apply this to health and exercise too. The fewest people do the most kinds of most effective exercise, many do a little of some that may address only one facet of health, and the most do the least. I'm sure its the same with chi, master who are very powerful with chi are very few. People who cultivate some chi power are moderate in number, and most have little or none. Again, common sense. Asking me to try to prove such a thing is almost as stupid as Buddy is in every post, I think Buddy is enough, don't you? Like the friggin moron, Buddy's, response to my statement that chi can heal is: 'prove it'. Well I've seen it done and I've done it so I've proved it to myself. If the moron ever got around to anyone with any abilities he would know it himself but instead all he does is he sits at his computer typing 'prove it' to all statements. If you consider the impossibility of proving anything on a forum then you will realize how outstandingly stupid he really is. The worst thing, though, is he's such a pain in the ass and he's been focusing on my statements.

Oh good, you certainly don't seem like the type.