Starjumper

I did have that feeling right at first for a couple of days after the San Diego seminar but that is long gone, so much water has passed under the bridge since that time. I assure you that is not my motivation. Don't worry, it's pretty subtle and won't hurt you much, and in any case it's too late for you. It's the dishonesty about what is being done that bothers me. One thing I'm considering is what one of my informants told me, when they first asked me to keep the information about Max's Chinese name secret, and that is that they don't interfere with other's paths. This idea has merit and maybe the students are getting what they need karmicaly so I I've been considering just leaving it alone. I saw the video advertising of the 'transmissions' posted here at TB, and like I said earlier in this thread, I know people who can do similar things, I'm one of them, and what is claimed for it is pretty far off the mark. However, since you and others really want to know what I think, since I opened this can of worms, I will present it, and like I said, it will be after I return from the mountains. I just want to add here, that if you twist words around enough in a coyote like manner, that things that are claimed can be regarded as true in some sense, however far fetched and twisted they may be. As you probably know, there is good and bad in most everything, and there is truth and dishonesty in all statements. It's just that when you add up all the little twists and turns you get a snow job.

Thanks Chris, really, but you have been misinformed.

Yes, my friend, but like I said it might be after I return from the mountains.

I just got back from the exercise club and was thinking about this a bit. I didn't read the link about defamation of character but I suppose me referring to Max's students as victims and being poisoned was improper. It was improper to say those things instead of just presenting the facts that support them. I will admit that as part of the act, that Max does do some healing, as there must be some good done in order to continue along the path. What I was thinking though is that of all the saints and gurus and chi kung masters and avatars, quite a few of them have had problems of one kind or another and they have had their detractors. In fact, one of my guardians, Sai Baba, the world's most powerful avatar, has a lot of serious detractors. Anyone who is famous will. The thing is that all these other saints and gurus and masters and avatars don't threaten their detractors with lawsuits or psychic attacks, they accept them, they love their detractors, and they encourage truthfulness and dialog. Lao Tzu even speaks to this idea in the TTC. I can't recall the words precisely but it is to the effect that those who spurn him are honored, a treasure. In the same vein, teachers in my lineage, who sometimes go trolling for muggers, put it this way: If someone threatens to attack them they just smile, it's like a gift from heaven, they hope their attacker is very powerful so it will put their skills to the test, and they hope that their attacker is very evil so that when they destroy them they will have done more to help rid the world of evil. Therefore, the fact that these threats are being made points to a certain weakness and a type of character, a type which is the opposite of divine, so I rest my case. Just kidding.

The problem is there is so much information available to make my case that it will require some work to streamline it and make it concise without being too long. I'll be leaving for the mountains soon but will work on it and put it out when I return and it will simply be observations of facts that are available to anyone.. Those all sound like the threats of desperation, are you going to stick pins in my picture? Do you ever feel embarassed with the way you throw around the word 'divine' and other gems? I get embarassed for you sometimes. Actually I haven't said much yet. I've just referred to information I have. Xenolith, te is paramount to me.

I've heard of that. I know a Bagua master who says he stops the sick chi when it gets half way up his fore arm. My chi kung teacher, who is an awesome healer, said it takes three days to get rid of the sick chi and I believe he can feel it in himself because he is hypersensitive. I find it difficult to believe that people can enter another's energy field and not get some. In my opinion, based on my knowledge of physics, energy fields in proximity will blend together and become indistinguishable, one from the other. There's another aspect to this, and it's based on one of the laws of karma. It is said that to cleanse your karma you should take on another's negativity but return positivity. This works on an energy level too. Please share about the way you are referring to.

That reminds me, I left out a few categories of the ten thousand techniques. They are energy healing, gathering energy from nature, and training the body to constantly radiate energy outwards. It's like a fountain. Chi comes up from the ground and flows outwards and upwards, continually. So it's radiating yin chi. Please understand, I'm not claiming access to any facts here, merely stating the impression I'm getting. Namely that you're starting to come across as a nutter. Do be careful ! Thanks, I'm well aware of that, which is why I stopped where I did I might have to risk it though. Anyway, it's not all that uncommon for people who become psychic to be able to see into another's soul, particularly if you can look in their eyes, but looking in their eyes isn't necessarily required.

Hey, let's change the subject. How about energy healing? Some people have this new age idea that energy healing (or non healing =) can only work if the healer has the patient's permission. However this is not the case. It may be true that in spiritual healing (things like Reiki) permission is required but for chi healing it has been shown that chi kung masters can 'heal' cells in a test tube, and they can also help heal people who are unconscious. They can cause a person to become paralyzed or can kill intense pain by aiming their fingers at the person's neck. My teacher can paralyze an attacker and he doesn't even have to aim his fingers at them. They can also help heal people who aren't aware they are being worked on, however often the person will go out and continue doing whatever caused the problem in the first place and it will return. A person's energy field extend outwards beyond their body and when two people are in proximity there will be some exchange of energy, this is unavoidable. Now, if one of the people has more chi or healthier chi they will radiate more towards the person with less. This then causes the other's chi to overflow a bit, helping them to expel some of their sick chi. Some of this is then picked up by the healthier one and if they are sensitive enough they will feel it. In fact this is a diagnostic tool that can be used by some masters. The overflowed sick chi contains information about it's nature and then the healthier one can feel the effects in their own body. In other words, they feel what the other person feels. This is one reason why people who cultivate more chi will avoid crowds of 'normal' people. Now, if someone who has done some cultivation is frequently around others with serious illness, say cancer, they will not be able to avoid picking up some of this very sick energy and it can cause physical problems and depression even if they can't feel the other's energy in their body. It is best to not expose yourself to many very sick people if you are a chi kung practitioner.

If you mean the victims, yes, I know that, it's too late for them. However it may helps some who are undecided.

It is my nature to expose evil and so Maxattacks are unavoidable. I'm waiting to see if there is some info beside the oral I was given. In fact someone else presented this same info awhile ago and evidently was banned for it. Don't worry, the truth will come out. Just be patient. I have to go back to the mountains again soon and may take up particular piece of the puzzle on my return. Maybe it would be best if I post the info on my own forum.

Come on Max experts, lets hear some truths.

What I can do is explain what he is doing with his transmissions, the private information I have will verify it if I decide to give it out. I will give this hint though. Max has a Chinese name, Ching Fung Dao Shr or Ching Feng Dao Shr, and there was a person by this same name who lived a few hundred years ago in China. If anyone has or can find information on this person somewhere it would really help. As far as I know the information is only oral, hopefully I'm wrong. One thing you can be sure of though, is that if someone who has been poisoned finds the information they will NOT reveal it, someone who is neutral needs to find it. Yes, well the info is damaging enough that it could result in psychic attacks against me, I think ethics demand I give it out anyway though, maybe later.

Hi Craig, my insider information has been given in private and there is no record of this information on the internet and so it is not verifiable. Also, those who have been poisoned will react violently to the information, you have already seen the way they react to just the mention of this information. I'm thinking about how to go about this. Advice is welcome.

Thanks, Ape. No need for that as I know he has plenty of chi power. The problem is how he is using it and what he is using it for. I know what he's doing with his 'transmisions' because I know others who can do similar things with energy, and I'm one of them. What he says he is doing and what he is really doing are two different things, it's another one of the lies, and it's very serious. I will NEVER allow him to touch me or to get anywhere near me with his energy. Nor will I exchange energy with someone who has been poisoned by his energy, unfortunately. As far as complexity of spiritual practices is concerned. Some people think I came here to say my practice is superior to Kunlun. Well it is in some ways, but that wasn't the point. Zazen is a good spiritual practice and it basically only has one technique. Sitting and forgetting works, but it's not that fast and it has low results ratio. That kind of comparison is not what I had in mind but since it's come up I will speak to it for a bit. My practice, Tien Shan, is a full fledged spiritual practice and a powerful one. The reason for chi power cultivation is that it does encourage certain aspects of spiritual growth. It's not chi power versus spiritual, it's chi power aids spiritual. The path of the sorcerer is the fastest path and it has the highest rate of enlightenment among it's students. This is the true whether the path is Taoist, Hindu, or Tibetan. I just want you all to know, those of you who got a first impression of Max that he is sinister, that your first impression was indeed correct. Don't forget what my path is. I've seen his soul.

Actually the spirit isn't like a tower, or shouldn't be. It should be like a wild horse running free across the plains.

I like to think of it as Max attacks It can be constructive if we can keep it in an ethical, educational, debate form. I think this will explain why Max attacks are unavoidable: The Tower of the Spirit The spirit has an impregnable tower Which no danger can disturb As long as the tower is guarded By the invisible Protector Who acts unconsciously, and whose actions Go astray when they become deliberate Reflective, and intentional. The unconsciousness And entire sincerity of Tao Are disturbed by any effort At self-conscious demonstration All such demonstrations Are lies. When one displays himself In this ambiguous way The world outside storms in And imprisons him. He is no longer protected By the sincerity of Tao. Each new act Is a new failure. If his acts are done in public, In broad daylight, He will be punished by men. If they are done in private And in secret, They will be punished By spirits. Let each one understand The meaning of sincerity And guard against display! He will be at peace With men and spirits And will act rightly, unseen, In his own solitude, In the tower of the spirit. -from The Way of Chuang Tzu by Thomas Merton That also explains why there are hidden lineages in Taoism. I should have kept mine that way .. I think ... I don't know any more.

I heard he was coming to Seattle and was thinking of going after hearing from my friend. I checked this forum and didn't see any mention of it and so I thought maybe it had been dropped. Then I heard about some comments from people upline in his lineage and from Max himself and my idea of going changed to 'no way'. Also, I've heard reports of other advanced practitioners who have challenged him and they all gave negative reports so I felt no reason to go myself for the sake of challenging anything, nor would I want to do it and rain on his presentation.

Well Cameron, I guess I gave you the wrong impression. Actually it's Max bashing, not Kunlun bashing, and what I said I would do here is drop the name calling, not the objections I have. I've got a lot more ammunition now (in addition to the original feeling I had, which was that of being overwhelmed with bullshit) and I'm going to shoot all of it, hopefully in a constructive way. Some of the answers to my objections, which I've gotten so far from people like Scotty and others, have been constructive and helpful.

I never thought of it that way. Sometimes I don't think much =) but yes that does make a lot of sense. Sitting and forgetting must be an important part of it. I'm sorry, I don't really understand your question but I think I lean more towards the second choice

I just feel they can't be trusted with some things and so if they say their tea is organic it still may not be organic. However if it is certified as organic by some testing lab in your country then it is probably safe. I've heard that as part of the drying process for (non organic) green tea they drive diesel trucks back and forth over it (with the exhaust aiming downwards)

Good for him if he gives refunds, and good for you on your growth. I'll save the trash for another time and place, there's so much of it.

Dietary lifestyle changes: soy products and peanut products are both bad for thryoid. I can't recall the details now but they are antagonistic to iodine and /or thyroid toxic. Also, poisonous green tea from china is very bad for thyroid, use only high quality Japanese or organic green teas (or black tea too), but not organic from China =)

Smart guy, I hope you didn't allow him to touch you, particularly on the head. Oh, and he gives refunds if you leave early, right? ROFL