J.Finder Posted 5 hours ago The topic of Inner Goetia has already come up in the introductory part of the forum, and I decided to create a separate thread to explore it in more detail. I’d like to share my experience and ask a few questions. Perhaps some of you have encountered this approach as well... Sometimes ago word "goetia" used to fill me with quiet dread. I associated it with images of black magic, sorcery, and attempts to subjugate forces for power or gain. My own path has always been different - more of an inward search, through mindfulness practices, tibetan buddhism, and attempts to find silence within myself. I have never practiced ritual evocation and would not do so without deep preparation and a teacher. Everything changed when I read Enmerkar's "The New Lemegeton: Goetic Psychoanalysis." Suddenly, Goetia stopped being something frightening - it transformed into a clear, structured method for working with consciousness. The annotation, which speaks of a "system of consciousness therapy" and "ways of correcting its work," resonated deeply. What once seemed dangerous became a tool. This book has become a three-layered mirror for me, in which the unconscious takes shape and reveals a path forward. First, on the analytical level, it acts as a map. The deep exploration of destructive matrices within consciousness through grimoires and astrology helps to clearly recognize familiar patterns within myself. The text provides a precise schema, making it possible to identify an internal "glitch." Simultaneously, on the empirical level, it serves as a reflection. The author's personal accounts are a living report of real experience, direct dialogues written with such honesty and poignancy that it's impossible not to believe them. These are not stories about external spirits, but a mirror of my own inner states. In them, I recognize the same tricks, pressures, and temptations I know from within. Most crucially, the layer of purpose acts as a compass. The book does not leave one with just a diagnosis. It immediately points toward the harmonious state that needs to be cultivated. Thus, a recognized distortion becomes a tool: seeing the flaw provides the direction toward the light that dissolves it. I'm interested in your opinions, especially if you have experience at the intersection of different traditions.... Have you used concepts of goetic forces or similar systems specifically as a tool for internal diagnosis and working with states of mind, rather than in a ritual context? Have you noticed similar structured systems of "pairs" (destructive pattern – constructive quality) in other traditions - Buddhism, Kabbalah, depth psychology? What books or approaches have become for you such a personal map of inner landscapes, helping you not to wander in the dark but to move consciously toward wholeness? I would be grateful for any thoughts, personal stories, or recommendations. For me, this synthesis of perspectives has turned out to be surprisingly alive and practical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 8 minutes ago 5 hours ago, J.Finder said: The topic of Inner Goetia has already come up in the introductory part of the forum, and I decided to create a separate thread to explore it in more detail. I’d like to share my experience and ask a few questions. Perhaps some of you have encountered this approach as well... Sometimes ago word "goetia" used to fill me with quiet dread. I associated it with images of black magic, sorcery, and attempts to subjugate forces for power or gain. My own path has always been different - more of an inward search, through mindfulness practices, tibetan buddhism, and attempts to find silence within myself. I have never practiced ritual evocation and would not do so without deep preparation and a teacher. Everything changed when I read Enmerkar's "The New Lemegeton: Goetic Psychoanalysis." Suddenly, Goetia stopped being something frightening - it transformed into a clear, structured method for working with consciousness. The annotation, which speaks of a "system of consciousness therapy" and "ways of correcting its work," resonated deeply. What once seemed dangerous became a tool. This book has become a three-layered mirror for me, in which the unconscious takes shape and reveals a path forward. First, on the analytical level, it acts as a map. The deep exploration of destructive matrices within consciousness through grimoires and astrology helps to clearly recognize familiar patterns within myself. The text provides a precise schema, making it possible to identify an internal "glitch." Simultaneously, on the empirical level, it serves as a reflection. The author's personal accounts are a living report of real experience, direct dialogues written with such honesty and poignancy that it's impossible not to believe them. These are not stories about external spirits, but a mirror of my own inner states. In them, I recognize the same tricks, pressures, and temptations I know from within. Most crucially, the layer of purpose acts as a compass. The book does not leave one with just a diagnosis. It immediately points toward the harmonious state that needs to be cultivated. Thus, a recognized distortion becomes a tool: seeing the flaw provides the direction toward the light that dissolves it. I'm interested in your opinions, especially if you have experience at the intersection of different traditions.... I have not read the book , but I think I want to now , you seem to give it an interesting review , in that I agree with this approach 5 hours ago, J.Finder said: Have you used concepts of goetic forces or similar systems specifically as a tool for internal diagnosis and working with states of mind, rather than in a ritual context? Yes, both . 5 hours ago, J.Finder said: Have you noticed similar structured systems of "pairs" (destructive pattern – constructive quality) in other traditions - Buddhism, Kabbalah, depth psychology? I am not sure what you mean by systems of pairs , but I have certainly noticed an underlying 'magical theory ' 'across the board' with them . Even in new areas where it is looked at in psychiatry * and psychology + I see they have discovered or realize some basic magical theory at work . * https://www.theisticpsychology.org/books/w.vandusen/presence_spirits.htm + https://psychology.org.au/for-members/publications/inpsych/2022/winter-2022/internal-family-systems-therapy although they miss some important aspects and issues . if all three could get together ( the third being an educated magical evocational perspective ) a lot can be worked out . I won't go into it now , you can search my posts on these issues and get a lot of info from me and the other posters that responded there . 5 hours ago, J.Finder said: What books or approaches have become for you such a personal map of inner landscapes, helping you not to wander in the dark but to move consciously toward wholeness? Big question ! A whole library of them and in a lot of different subject matter as well. Also the practical side , one cant understand a lot holistically from the armchair . Also I was a member of an active working group for many years and we developed many tools for this , including visual schemata ( like a mandala or 'tracing board' - a symbolic mnemonic that encapsulates teachings and 'maps of inner landscapes ' and or practices .. one in particular shows the 6 paths of Magick and Yoga all leading to one white center of 'wholeness' and moving outward, through the imbalance of each path towards a black background , all around , labelled 'ignorance ' 5 hours ago, J.Finder said: I would be grateful for any thoughts, personal stories, or recommendations. use google search function BUT stipulate this sites address first and then the subject matter you want to read about here . I can answer more specific questions here . 5 hours ago, J.Finder said: For me, this synthesis of perspectives has turned out to be surprisingly alive and practical. Yes . Its interesting that the 'non magical' world is discovering and affirming many of these principles . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
