ChiDragon Posted October 3 The eight methods of Fajin using different parts of the body indicated as follows:1. 掤(peng) : Using one forearm sideways to push out and upward 2. 捋(lu) : Using the palms moving laterally 3. 挤(ji) : Using the back of the hands pushing forward 4. 按(an) : Using both the palms and arms in the up position with the upper torso moving forward, using the waist as leverage. 5. 采(ca) : Using the fingers holding the wrist and the elbow of the opponent moving downward. 6. 挒(lie) : Using both forearms to blocking the incoming force. 7. 肘(zhou) : Using the elbow to push the opponent when close in contact 8. 靠(kao) : Using the shoulder to push the opponent away By now, we all know what is Peng. It is a method of Fajin. See the definition #1 above. If the Jin was issued with the method of Peng(掤), then, it was described as Peng Jin(掤勁). For the same token, if Kao Jin (靠勁) was mentioned, then, it was understood that Jin was issued by the shoulder. Since 挒(lie) is using the forearm to Fajin, then, 挒(lie) may be correlated to 掤(peng) by definition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krenx Posted October 4 These physical parts of the body, and gestures are used to train the "flavour" of Jin/power, force transformations. But in application, you use the flavours of these jins in a reasonable position. You do not try to insist the body part. In application, your goal is to express the jins cleanly. And that has little to do with the body position. The body parts might be used to recall the feeling of the Jin, but you do not really use the body part in an obvious way in application. Again to emphasize, body positioning, classical forms is important to "develop" the various jins and their relationships in the body, and relationship to one another. But when you apply it, you only apply the flavour of the Jin, not often the body positions. An actual fight does not allow you to do that. It is not wrong to use the body positions in application, but to assume the kung fu of the jins can only come out in particular body positions is a big mistake in understanding how jins work. Wang Yong quan's son once got a student to hold his finger, and he expressed all the jins individually with just that one finger onto the student, peng lu ji an cai lie zhou kao etc. To help the student understand what Jin really is, that it can all be expressed perfectly in just one finger, not bound by any particular form or position. To teach the distinction between training. And application of kung fu. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted October 4 32 minutes ago, Krenx said: These physical parts of the body, and gestures are used to train the "flavour" of Jin/power, force transformations. No no no! You got it backward. The training of Jin was not from these gesture. The Jin in the body was developed from the diligent practice of Taiji. Why do you think that Taiji practitioners practice everyday? It was to condition the body to develop the Jin in the body. Jin is nothing but the increased strength of the body. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
