Atrahasis (Ziusudra/Noah), The Great Flood, and the Tablet of the Covenant

[心神 ~]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

The New Testament was written in Koine Greek.

 

But is that the language Jesus spoke and through which he shared his message, or written words later attributed to him by an author who spoke a different language?

 

Saying Jesus used the Greek word for Gods is a bit like saying Lao Tzu used the English word for Way, because someone later translated his words into English.

 

[Nungali]

6 hours ago, NorthWide said:

 

Nungali, I just said in the screenshot that at John 10:34 he used the Greek word for Gods. Its in the screen shot.

Then you devolve into whatever lameass excuse you had before.

 

If Jesus used the term Gods, and Psalm 82:6 uses the word Gods.

NO. You will never, ever judge. It has to do with the dishonesty. no. and this is exactly why you will never judge. Nor will you be allowed to twist it. I am kinda sorry I ever met you.

 

I find what you ask and then what you respond hard to comprehend . You seem all over the place .  The way you write seems fractured and   probably is generated by undisclosed thoughts that only half come out on the 'paper' . this isn't an attack , its an explanation  as to why you cant seem to comprehend what is written nor follow the discussion along that a few have contributed to . 

 

You have not met me 

 

You have just encountered someone outside your ' confirmation  zone ' .

 

That is often unavoidable . 

[Nungali]

6 hours ago, NorthWide said:

 

Nungali, I just said in the screenshot that at John 10:34 he used the Greek word for Gods. Its in the screen shot.

Then you devolve into whatever lameass excuse you had before.

 

If Jesus used the term Gods, and Psalm 82:6 uses the word Gods.

NO. You will never, ever judge. It has to do with the dishonesty. no. and this is exactly why you will never judge. Nor will you be allowed to twist it. I am kinda sorry I ever met you.

 

and not only that, you are wrong about your prediction of me ;    I DO judge ,  and I have 'judged ' - not only have I been on the board of three different ' companies ' *  but I was elected as chair person for those companies due to my ability to suit in the middle, hear both sides of a question , take in information and come to a decision . 

 

Also I hold an initiation degree that allows me to sit in a 'senate ' where certain training must be demonstrated  before  one is allowed to be even considered as a  candidate  ( a knowledge of history , politics and philosophy ,   written works demonstrating the same , and -so there are no 'fat arse politicians'  - a demonstrable expertise in some form of endurance and athletics ) . Also I sat on a council for a Baha'i community , where decisions you make actually effect people's lives  ... and I was voted in by those people as well . 

 

I know you won;t like any of this , and it might even make you angry  .... but I cant help that , they are YOUR reactions . 

 

* not regular 'materialist  companies'    two were religious corporations and one was a 'multiple occupancy housing corporation . 

 

"  Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil. "

 

                                                                              

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, 心神 ~ said:

 

I was under the impression that Jesus spoke primarily in Hebrew and Aramaic.

 

 

Yup .... primarily .  Aramaic would have been his 'street language ' , when debating with priests and the like, perhaps in Hebrew , some people (like the Greeks there )  spoke Greek , he probably knew some of that too . 

 

The issue has been diverted though .  It was about , originally, I thought ,  if we are to consider ourselves God . It appears someone has taken the statement out of context when he said  " You are Gods "  .  Its already been thrashed out in the first posts ... hasn't it ???  

 

I don't know why some people started proselytizing, insisting their religious approach was the only one and then get  angry at me for pointing that out ?      ... maybe they hoped to 'be a God '  ?  

[Nungali]

This is probably a good place to put this  :

 

7 Bible Stories and Texts with Roots in Ancient Literature . 

 

"  For agnostics and liberal believers, the evidence is overwhelming that Israelite scribes and priests often based characters, stories, rituals, and prose on prior pagan myths and belief systems. This is especially evident in the so-called hero narratives, devotions, and hymns in biblical and pagan literature across the ancient Near East.

 

"Conflicting interpretations are influenced by additions, redactions, editing, and multiple translations of extant copies of copies of ancient biblical literature and ancient texts. The provenance of relevant texts is fairly reliable, but timelines and sources of the origin of copied biblical manuscripts are often obscure ."

 

1.  Noah , as set out in the opening post .

 

2. Moses and Sargon of Akkad . 

In the biblical story, Moses’ mother makes a wicker basket which she seals with pitch to make it waterproof. She places Moses in the basket and floats it down the Nile where Pharaoh’s daughter bathes. The latter rescues the infant and raises him as her son – with a privileged princely education, including astronomy, religion, mathematics, and writing, as attested by Egyptian correspondence about the education of foreign princes at their court.

 

 

Sargon, the founder of Akkad, had a similar basket trip down the river as an infant. His mother was a priestess who birthed him in secret. She also made a wicker basket sealed with pitch and set him afloat on the Euphrates River. He, however, was rescued and raised by a humble peasant, until the powerful goddess Ishtar (formerly Inanna of the Sumerians) took an interest in him. As a youth, he became the cupbearer of the king of Kish, whom he later overthrew, before setting about building the world’s first empire.

 

3. Job and the 'Righteous Sufferer ( from Mesopotamia ) . 

Job is wealthy in property and family. Satan, at this time still an angel, challenges God that Job is only pious because everything in his life is wonderful. God accepts Satan’s challenge, who then destroys Job’s possessions, family, and finally Job’s health. Job refuses to curse God. He does not understand why he is suffering but accepts that he does not have the right to question God. The biblical story ends with God explaining to Job in beautiful phraseology the vastness and intricacy of the universe. Job’s life ends with him richer and happier than before his suffering started.

 

The Mesopotamian story Ludlul-bēl-Numēqi or The Righteous Sufferer, has a similar background of a pious man following religious rules meticulously. Like Job, he does not understand his change of fortune. He questions his god when he loses everything, including his health. Unlike Job, however, he dies in his misery at the end of the story.

 

Poetic descriptions in Job are similar to many pre-biblical ancient texts, including the Enuma Elish.

 

4. Proverbs Ecclesiastes  and Egyptian teachings . 

To numerous to list here  (see the link )   

 

5. Psalm 104 and Ankhenaton's Hymn to the Aton . 

The similarity in style, expression, and tone between Psalm 104 and the Hymn to the Aten  (14th century BCE) of Pharaoh Akhenaten cannot be denied. Other similar linguistic patterns of praise and reverence ascribed to Akhenaten in worshiping the Aten as sole god, are present in wording on the Amarna boundary stelae. Similarities to biblical psalms and other descriptive biblical narratives are discernable.

- this one even has its own Wiki page  -    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hymn_to_the_Aten

 

6. Song of Songs and Summarian Literature. 

The biblical Song of Songs has similarities to the Sumerian temple hymns and Akkadian hymns, and love songs. It accompanied the annually celebrated marriage liturgy of the Dumuzi-Inanna cult and the later Tammuz-Ishtar cult of the Sumerian and Akkadian eras. The first poet whose name we know was an Akkadian high priestess, a daughter of Sargon named Enheduanna. Several of her poems and hymns survived. 

 

https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-biblical-song-of-songs-and-the-sumerian-love-songs/

 

7. Bible Stories and Anonymous Mesopotamian Literature. 

https://www.thecollector.com/bible-stories-ancient-literature/

 

Some other sources ; 

https://historycollection.com/20-biblical-traditions-heavily-influenced-by-other-ancient-cultures/

 

New Cuneiform Parallels to the Song of Songs

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3263757

 

 

 

[Nungali]

Just for fun , an 'original song'  

 

 

 

[心神 ~]

This one as well: 

 

 

[Nungali]

He has a whole series of them .