Heat along ren mai

[papasaturn]

Been doing wuji pose everyday for some time now but have recently been getting a lot of itching/redness along the ren mai (under chin, center of chest, navel and pubic area). I don’t feel this during the practice (which is 40 min to an hour), it happens randomly throughout the day but has been pretty consistent now.

 

Curious what it could be

[Chang dao ling]

On 3/6/2024 at 3:59 AM, papasaturn said:

Been doing wuji pose everyday for some time now but have recently been getting a lot of itching/redness along the ren mai (under chin, center of chest, navel and pubic area). I don’t feel this during the practice (which is 40 min to an hour), it happens randomly throughout the day but has been pretty consistent now.

 

Curious what it could be

Do you have a teacher? Itching happens because Acupuncture points are opening. Your chi is opening these points you can't scratch ( if you scratch these points won't open) Better to find a teacher if you don't have one. I recommend Rudi,Damo and chun yi.

Edited March 7 by Chang dao ling

[Iskote]

On 3/5/2024 at 3:29 PM, papasaturn said:

Been doing wuji pose everyday for some time now but have recently been getting a lot of itching/redness along the ren mai (under chin, center of chest, navel and pubic area). I don’t feel this during the practice (which is 40 min to an hour), it happens randomly throughout the day but has been pretty consistent now.

Curious what it could be

 

Hello. It doesn't provide a whole lot of detail about what you are actually doing when you just say you are doing the wuji pose.

Are you doing some sort of special breathing practice or using strong focus on certain points when practicing, and that sort of thing?

 

A feeling of itchiness at places in the body is a fairly common thing to experience as a result of practicing meditation and qi cultivation practices. Also feeling sensations like coolness, warmth, heat, and vibrations, are fairly common as well.

Nothing to worry about there unless maybe if it is excessive. 

Redness on parts of your body is not so normal. If you are scratching at certain points where you feel itchy, such as maybe when you are sleeping, that could make it red.

 

Doing intense or very deliberate types of breathing and doing strong focusing on points on the body and that sort of thing is more likely to lead to undesirable issues.

When you finish your standing practice, you can place your hands over the lower dantian area with your palms facing inward for a minute and (gently) imagine excess qi returning to the lower dantian area.

 

I don't know exactly what you are doing, but here are a few general guidelines.

It is always a good idea to practice mediation and qi cultivation practices in a very natural and relaxed way.
You should be coming out of standing practice slowly and gently and you can do a little gentle massage on your arms and legs and body and on your face and neck.

In my experience, being relaxed, being natural, and not trying to direct or force results are the best way to approach these sort of practices. That is the practical meaning of 'do by not doing'.

 

 

 

Edited March 7 by Iskote

[papasaturn]

5 hours ago, Iskote said:

 

Hello. It doesn't provide a whole lot of detail about what you are actually doing when you just say you are doing the wuji pose.

Are you doing some sort of special breathing practice or using strong focus on certain points when practicing, and that sort of thing?

 

A feeling of itchiness at places in the body is a fairly common thing to experience as a result of practicing meditation and qi cultivation practices. Also feeling sensations like coolness, warmth, heat, and vibrations, are fairly common as well.

Nothing to worry about there unless maybe if it is excessive. 

Redness on parts of your body is not so normal. If you are scratching at certain points where you feel itchy, such as maybe when you are sleeping, that could make it red.

 

Doing intense or very deliberate types of breathing and doing strong focusing on points on the body and that sort of thing is more likely to lead to undesirable issues.

When you finish your standing practice, you can place your hands over the lower dantian area with your palms facing inward for a minute and (gently) imagine excess qi returning to the lower dantian area.

 

I don't know exactly what you are doing, but here are a few general guidelines.

It is always a good idea to practice mediation and qi cultivation practices in a very natural and relaxed way.
You should be coming out of standing practice slowly and gently and you can do a little gentle massage on your arms and legs and body and on your face and neck.

In my experience, being relaxed, being natural, and not trying to direct or force results are the best way to approach these sort of practices. That is the practical meaning of 'do by not doing'.

 

 

 

I was probably a bit more forceful a couple of weeks ago pushing through some deep tension in my calves but lately I’ve been very relaxed, just sinking into the posture naturally and letting my body slightly adjust itself as time goes on.

 

I usually end up in Zhan Zhuang by the end of the practice, maybe 10 min with hands in front of the chest, it seems to relieve some tension I have in the shoulder blades. I generally come out of the practice feeling refreshed and with some deeper understanding. I believe I am progressing.

 

I will say I used to experience more warmth after the practice but now I actually feel more cold. I am always warm during the practice though. Also the itching never happens while I’m in it.

 

The itching is interesting though. It feels like a mosquito bite in that if I resist the urge to itch it feels less itchy but if I itch it, it feels more so and makes me feel itchy in other parts of my body.

 

As of right now the itching has spread to my neck, shoulders and waist. There are little red dots around my waist and on my lower back. It’s not really that uncomfortable unless I let myself itch it.

 

I will say I’ve noticed the more frustrated I get the itchier I get and the more I itch lol.

 

Assuming this may be a wood/liver/gallbladder issue due to that.

 

[papasaturn]

12 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

Do you have a teacher? Itching happens because Acupuncture points are opening. Your chi is opening these points you can't scratch ( if you scratch these points won't open) Better to find a teacher if you don't have one. I recommend Rudi,Damo and chun yi.

I have a book by Damo on Neigong which I reference but my main inspiration has been Lam Kam Chuen on YouTube (Stand Still, Be Fit).

 

Do you suggest I don’t itch at all? Because I think it’s possible, the itching isn’t that intense unless I feel more aggravated emotionally but I’ve had the itching for almost a week now (though I have been itching it pretty consistently as well). 

 

I thought there might be something I could do to assist what I assume is some kind of detoxification process.

[Iskote]

34 minutes ago, papasaturn said:

I was probably a bit more forceful a couple of weeks ago pushing through some deep tension in my calves but lately I’ve been very relaxed, just sinking into the posture naturally and letting my body slightly adjust itself as time goes on.

 

I usually end up in Zhan Zhuang by the end of the practice, maybe 10 min with hands in front of the chest, it seems to relieve some tension I have in the shoulder blades. I generally come out of the practice feeling refreshed and with some deeper understanding. I believe I am progressing.

 

I will say I used to experience more warmth after the practice but now I actually feel more cold. I am always warm during the practice though. Also the itching never happens while I’m in it.

 

The itching is interesting though. It feels like a mosquito bite in that if I resist the urge to itch it feels less itchy but if I itch it, it feels more so and makes me feel itchy in other parts of my body.

 

As of right now the itching has spread to my neck, shoulders and waist. There are little red dots around my waist and on my lower back. It’s not really that uncomfortable unless I let myself itch it.

 

I will say I’ve noticed the more frustrated I get the itchier I get and the more I itch lol.

 

Assuming this may be a wood/liver/gallbladder issue due to that.

 

 

Just to confirm, are you doing any special sort of breathing while practicing or just doing natural breathing?

Are you doing any special concentration when practicing?

 

The itching you describe sounds like more than just the normal sort of minor itching sensation you can get from such practices. Sounds a bit excessive.

Also talking about seeing red dots on your waist and lower back is not a normal thing in my experience.

I have heard that measles is going around. Are you sure you don't have the measles or something like that?

 

Edited March 7 by Iskote

[papasaturn]

3 hours ago, Iskote said:

 

Just to confirm, are you doing any special sort of breathing while practicing or just doing natural breathing?

Are you doing any special concentration when practicing?

 

The itching you describe sounds like more than just the normal sort of minor itching sensation you can get from such practices. Sounds a bit excessive.

Also talking about seeing red dots on your waist and lower back is not a normal thing in my experience.

I have heard that measles is going around. Are you sure you don't have the measles or something like that?

 

No special breathing aside from trying to keep the breath quiet and calm. No particular concentration either unless I feel a point of tension and I try to breathe into it to relax.

 

I don’t think so about it being a sickness, I feel pretty normal otherwise. Been exercising eating etc. normally. 

[Iskote]

22 minutes ago, papasaturn said:

No special breathing aside from trying to keep the breath quiet and calm. No particular concentration either unless I feel a point of tension and I try to breathe into it to relax.

I don’t think so about it being a sickness, I feel pretty normal otherwise. Been exercising eating etc. normally. 

 

I see. Based on what you are saying, it doesn't sound like you are doing anything too extreme, then, when you are practicing. 

Definitely the fairly extensive itching and redness and red dots is not within normal types of effects from doing standing practice or meditation practice that I know of or have ever come across, personally. Those symptoms sound more to me like maybe an allergic reaction or some sort of illness symptoms, or something more along those lines. May not be related to your standing practice at all. I of course couldn't say for sure though, especially since I don't know you and your overall situation, and we are just chatting over the internet. Not sure what the cause might be there. Have you had any symptoms like that in the past prior to doing standing practice? 

[Chang dao ling]

6 hours ago, papasaturn said:

I have a book by Damo on Neigong which I reference but my main inspiration has been Lam Kam Chuen on YouTube (Stand Still, Be Fit).

 

Do you suggest I don’t itch at all? Because I think it’s possible, the itching isn’t that intense unless I feel more aggravated emotionally but I’ve had the itching for almost a week now (though I have been itching it pretty consistently as well). 

 

I thought there might be something I could do to assist what I assume is some kind of detoxification process.

There is online classes conduct by lam Kam or his senior students. You can ask him directly. Because it's best to practice under the guidance of teacher. Even though it's a basic ZZ