Liezi. Heaven's gifts

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天瑞第一

 

子列子居郑圃，四十年人无识者。国君卿大夫示之，犹众庶也。国不足，将嫁于卫。弟

子曰：“先生往无反期，弟子敢有所谒；先生将何以教？先生不闻 壶丘子林之言乎？“子列

子笑曰：“壶子何言哉？虽然，夫子尝语伯昏瞀人，吾 侧闻之，试以告女。其言曰：有生,不

生.有化,不化。不生者能生生，不化者能化 化。生者不能不生，化者不能不化，故常生常化。

常生常化者，无时不生，无时 不化。阴阳尔，四时尔，不生者疑独，不化者往复。往复其际

不可终，疑独其道 不可穷。《黄帝书》曰：\'谷神不死，是谓玄牝。玄牝之门，是谓天地之根。绵 绵若存，用之不勤。\'

 

故生物者不生，化物者不化。自生自化，自形自色，自智 自力，

自消自息。谓之生化、形色、智力、消息者，非也。“

 

 

English translation:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/tt/tt04.htm

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[dawei]

Heaven's gilf is not easy for reading even in chinese. In this paragraph,What Yellow Emperor said is similar to the DDJ,So my translation is follow the mawangdui silk text A verson:

 

谷神不死 是谓玄牝 玄牝之门 是谓天地之根 绵绵呵 其若存 用之不堇

 

The MWD A and B has "Yu" not "Gu" as the first character:

A = 浴神□死是胃玄﹦牝﹦之門是胃□地之根∠縣﹦呵若存用之不堇

B = 浴神不死是胃玄﹦牝﹦之門是胃天地之根縣﹦呵亓若存用之不堇

 

Source: http://home.pages.at/onkellotus/TTK/_IndexTTK.html

 

This would be an interesting book to talk about. Thanks for sharing this.

[GOOWDAY]

Yes,In silk A,All of 谷 were writed as 浴。浴 means 洗澡（ wash）.

 

My understanding,In silk A, Most of 浴 means 水谷（the valley with water）.

But it is not easy to figure out where 谷神 is first come from,the book of Yellow Emperor or Taodejing? So it is still have a lot of meaning.

 

Thanks for response.

Goowday.

Edited September 2, 2012 by GOOWDAY

[dawei]

Yes,In silk A,All of 谷 were writed as 浴。浴 means 洗澡（ wash）.

 

My understanding,In silk A, Most of 浴 means 水谷（the valley with water）.

But it is not easy to figure out where 谷神 is first come from,the book of Yellow Emperor or Taodejing? So it is still have a lot of meaning.

浴神 is also found in the Bao Pu Zi, written around 300 A.D.