Sanzon

PS. Lying on the floor with your legs up on the couch and your knees and hips at 90 degrees is a comfortable resting position for a sore back. You will be in the same position as if you were sitting on a chair, except facing the ceiling. It will put the spine in a neutral position where it can relax a little :-)

Hey Christian. In my experience, Kundalini is overrated. I think Mantak Chia stated that he didn't like it because it was all fire and not a balance of the elements. Too intense. That was my experience of it as well. I'm sure there are people who have integrated this energy usefully and purposefully into their lives, but don't be seduced by tales of power and legend. I can certainly relate to having fantasies surrounding this and a feeling that I will miss the boat and the opportunity it provides to spiritual expansion, but common sense tells me this is akin to a tree, and that slow growth is strong growth. Fast tracks and promises of quick results are fraught with instability. Personally, I would love to have my pre-kundalini life back. It was simpler and more satisfying. I have also watched people on a slower path progress further than I due to me getting stuck and wrestling with my own experiences. That's my 2c anyway. Other members may have more encouraging takes on it. All the best.

Everything's got its pros and its cons.

 

Thanks to feminism breaking down gender stereotypes, I was able to catch my child in my own hands when she was being born, and play an active participatory role in her upbringing. Previously, that was all women's business. As a child though, I wished my Mum was at home as I was growing up, rather than at work.

 

Very generally speaking, IMO feminism has almost come full circle now as thankfully, women have access to most opportunities men do in developed countries. Having achieved that, women are now re-embracing the 1940's housewife role as a choice in life rather than an expectation.

 

Many cultural issues of social justice and equality remain, but feminism isn't just about outraged, repressed and outspoken women. Nobody likes being brow beaten (re: 1st post). It's about equal opportunity. There had to be a shake up for that to happen. Check out some history on ground breaking wins to appreciate how it has shaped modern society. Here is a bit of info on more modern feminist issues worldwide for some perspective http://internationalwomensday.com/

I think that if you are patient; you may discover more herein than you think, from Newcastle, NSW, Australia, when it floods ,,,

Patience, I've already learnt patience, now what are you hinting at

Well, we are adults hyping up kids stuff after all, right?

 

Will watch it later. I just visited the main page on youtube and the featured video had Vader say: "We would he honored if you would join us." Ouch! How can they, the official Lucasarts Star Wars page, use such bad English in connection with a dramatic theme like that?!

 

Whaaaat? Looks like Disney is laming up the dark side already.

 

Try this for a tournament, Vader.......

 

http://youtu.be/RFN_n-ZjTFU

teknix would be interested in your pyrokinesis abilities!

 

I am interested to know the theory behind how these work, and how you put one together. I imagine they have subliminal messages behind the music in a shopping centre saying "spend more & SAVE!". I have used a few binaural programs for productivity, and feel I am quite recpetive to this, but after watching a few minutes of the aerokinesis, I felt light, sure, but in the next conversation I had while feeling this, all I wanted to do was make animal noises. Are you hypnotising me into thinking I am a bird?

Try these on Youtube......

 

 

I have replaced the previous links above with this one also.

Re: Protector (& other Idiot_s)

What some absolutely vapid and irresponsible advice!

Why not go back and play with your tv-games and your cartoons. Here we have an adult man suffering and you implicate that this is some mind game.

 

WillingToListen:

Giving advice is the cheapest thing in life, but you - and no other - will pay the price for listening to it, so beware. If you can find someone who has been there and returned, great! Other people will be well-meaning, in all respect, but the advice can be dangerously incomplete.

 

Someone had to say it. Thanks Mandrake. There are otherwise some heartfelt & thoughtful responses on here.

 

WillingToListen, if I could have my time over again with K, I would do it differently. I didn't have any access to support, but now, I would choose the 2 simple exercises recommended by the KSN to smoothen the ride, being the MCO & the Secret Smile. Why? Because the KSN exist for situations like you are in now, like I was in then. I would tend to trust them. Songstan's posts have also struck a chord with me in that hindsight (bless it) showed me that half of my obstacles were self generated through my own uncertainty & panic. I wish I had enough insight at the time to seek the centre of the cyclone and sit there in relative safety.

 

Again dude, I admire you for toughing this out. I stand here, like others to say that you are not alone, and that people do make it through to the other side of this.

I know this thread is about Han, but to expand upon Star Wars characters of ill repute, I want to draw a little attention to the character of R2-D2. There is more than meets the eye.

 

 

Beneath you will find a very revealing 3 part documentary on the life & times of R2-D2, containing interviews from George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, the main actors in the Star Wars Trilogies, detailing their relationship with R2-D2 on and off screen, and his career aspirations starting off attempting to land acting roles in Shakespeare & on Broadway, his celebrity with the rise of Star Wars, and letting success go to his head, battling alcohol, womanising, and many other personal issues. Riveting stuff.

 

Is this what you meant by gay or something similar?

 

Awwww, pooch!

 

You know, I have to credit Star Wars with planting the first seeds of the 'something exists that is bigger than us' aspect of spirituality into my youth, demonstrating that there is an underlying living interactive matrix behind the threads of all creation. But back to the topic at Han, I mean topic at hand.

 

The whole lead up to the Mos Eisely scene was to introduce Han Solo's character in such a way as to draw attention to his dubious, swindling and self serving nature.

Obi Wan stated famously "Mos Eisely, you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious". There was no indication of Han having anything other than the shallow character that he had presented, including shooting Greedo first, and taking off with his reward from the Rebel Base on Yavin leaving Luke, Leia, and the rebels quite possibly to their ominous doomed fate in the final hours of their make or break dilemma against the Empire. He was purposefully shown to have absolutely no moral fibre right up until the final moments of the movie when he saves the day by clearing Luke's run to the exhaust vent where he is able to blow up the Death Star.

 

Han is dodgy as hell. Han's story is about showing a man who believes in nothing coming around to believe in something. Redemption of character. Belief in hope. It is important that he shoots first. Full stop.

 

Watch the lead up here:

 

 

And the incident here:

 

Han's character isn't that disreputable. Look, he has a great sense of caring & hospitality.

 

Again, I have written a thesis to have it disappear at the stroke of a button..........

 

I have to say, I side with Cat & K on this issue of masculinity, and funnily enough, they are both female.

 

You seem in quite a hurry to be manly when actually, you are a boy. Your desire to grow up quicker than you possibly could and quicker than you were ready for resulted in unpleasant stuff for you. Stop pushing yourself around.

 

Drop the 'manly' and pick up the 'authentic'.

 

How about focusing on love and generosity and passion. Follow your Bliss.

 

When I was 18 it was all about art, literature, music, dancing, friends.... if you can find what sparks your passion and follow it.. you will wonder what on earth was going on that you ever vexed yourself about having to develop 'manliness'... as though it were something that you couldnt trust, something that wouldnt develop, something outside yourself that you had to go chasing.

 

Like yourself more.

 

The silverback didn't have an issue with masculinity. He won his position by sheer brute force. All the other males within his community however never even got to express their genetic or sexual/gender potential as a result of his alpha dominance. We are humans, and not apes my friend. Please, always remind yourself of that.

 

In my experience, your inner man will reveal himself to you as trust is gained that he will not be judged or rejected by society, or yourself. If you would give him your personal acceptance without judgement or unrealistic expectation, I imagine you will come to know yourself, and him more.

 

How to expand upon the options available for males other than just the alpha/hero/warrior type? Check out your other options. Google them. The poet, the bard, the jester? Where would society be with only sporting heroes, yet no-one to make you laugh, dance, cry or sing? Don't stop there, Google archetypes, Google masculine archetypes. There are so many options. If Mikhail Baryshnikov is your archetype of masculine aesthetic, chase it up. If it is Rumi, grab a pen and explore how your soul longs for union with the divine. Become who you are (a Nietzsche quote).

 

A few words on porn. Unrealistic representations are being made here upon BOTH genders. If you want to become sexually confident & competent, by all means, chase your interest up with training in Tantra or something else that validates us humans as both sexual and spiritual beings without it being a conflict of interest. Just don't (as an 18 year old male) be fooled into thinking that sexual prowess & performance will bring you more rewards than:

1) showing a continued personal interest in a potential partner's interests, character & wellbeing, or that

2) realising simply smiling, & (the reasons behind) cuddles on the couch, and a continued interest in catering for the 'small details' will get you further in life than trying to match some unrealistic gender based sexual archetype, whether it is expected of yourself, or from her.

 

Find yourself, then let that other person find you.

 

Please apply a grain of salt if I am rambling & this does not apply to you. I wish you well in you r quest.

The world IS off balance. Distribution of wealth, access to resources, services & privileges, quality of life. Obvious within your own city, blatantly obvious across countries & continents. I saw this yesterday and am still speechless, check it out http://www.petapixel.com/2013/03/21/portraits-of-refugees-posing-with-their-most-valued-possessions/#ImZWCsoaXePTIyfa.01

 

I have no idea about what your family's circumstances are or what it may be like to lose a home in your country etc, but it sounds like you are going to need a lot of pragmatic and practical assistance. Gather your resources, what accommodation agencies may assist you and your family, are there any city farms/community gardens in your area in which you could work to gain and/or grow nutritious food for you and your family?

 

Perhaps someone from your area or close by on TTB may be able to help you out here.

I am spiritual or philosophical, well a blend of both, but not relgious... I guess the catch call of the lost...

 

I see your statement here as the catch cry of the switched-on. It breathes of personal responsibility. Congratulations & welcome.

where are these places that sell organic food at such a low price that they can't afford certification? i can't find them

 

Great question.

1) Now i have found the most active to be the most egotistic (not that it's bad) and i can attribute the effect of sensations and healing to me. I have tried to heal it how i thought was best. To me this would be the best way to get patient's respect that you have abilities as a healer.

 

2) Then the most passive i have found to have the strongest and most effective healing, however the healing hasn't always been where i've intended, say i had a sore finger and by being passive i've found that my sore back that i've had for years feels better but my finger is still no better.

 

3) Midway between is good, and it sounds like your massage lets you target the areas you want to (active) then you can guide and channel energy into those areas passively to produce good healing effects in the way the patient desires, in the way the patient is paying you to.

 

Do you feel i am right in saying this? I have asked others and wondering too, what your success rate is for something substantial to happen positively to their health? How long did it take, how long do the results normally last for?

 

I guess thats the good thing about massage, even if they aren't "healed" they at least got a massage out of it and feel they didn't just waste their money.

 

I would love to be a healer but i want people to percieve that they got their moneys worth. I don't want people to feel like they wasted their money. Meanwhile i have already done a degree and spent years studying that, now with a family and a mortgage it's a bit hard for me to start studying some type of massage course when i need to make some money. My feeling is that massage is a good way to get the energetic into the physical. Of course the information provided to the patient about what to do, eat, along with a small set of internal and external exercises would provide the main ongoing healing power, but massage gives them a strong push in the right direction and opens up their eyes to the possibilities.

 

4) Have you seen any non physical practices than can offer a clear percieved benefit to a high percentage of clients? I have also thought of just going for 1 illness like asthma and concentrating on that. It still requires dedication from the client and its not what most ppl want

 

5) Also, have you ever had any trouble or heard about anybody else having trouble with people trying to sue due to them saying they were ill effected by any treatment? That is a little worry in the back of my mind too. I think with my knowledge of myself both energetically and physically i could probably pick up a decent amount of massage stuff just from dvds and practice on people and understand how what i was doing was effecting them within the framework of my own understanding, however that won't get me insurance, and of course my wifey would kill me if we got sued and we had to live out on the street

 

Thanks,

 

Louis

Hey Louis, a few points here that I will comment on. (Please apply a few grains of salt if you find they are not applicable to you).

 

1) Egoistic? Sure. And you are correct not to write it off as being less important. Feedback IS important, especially when learning about what you can do, what works, what is more laborious & less effective etc etc. Healing is often by (otherwise) abstract means, not a direct science, so seeing and playing with the parameters within the effects of intent, direction of will, strength of belief, suspension of disbelief, openness to phenomenon outside of your knowledge base and the laws of physics all need exploration. Getting some orientation here through hands on active and willful intent and experimentation is good for grounding yourself within the field. Confidence that arises from competence and belief in yourself play a constructive part as much as doubt & uncertainty can undermine those things. Being ok with doubt & certainty raising its head can keep your mind open to possibilities in a healing session. There are often times you will have to troubleshoot within a session and reorientate yourself.

 

2) I heard a great story from a man who helped pioneer a pathway in a hands on healing approach within my profession (Biodynamics). It works on the less is more principle, very passive as you have described. He was trying to help a man with a bad ligament injury in his ankle. While he was formulating the concept of what he was doing, he knew it was powerful, but not how it worked in particular. The man he was treating came in after a few weeks and said "my ankle is no better, but my kidney stones are gone, my pancreas in regulating blood sugars better etc" He felt that he was tapping into a potent field with the bosy, which had its own priority list, and in this mans case, the ankle was a bee sting compared to the regulation of homeostasis through his organs.

 

3) Umm, yes. It has been stated here that to be a healer, you must be willing to look like a goose at times. Mostly because you are working in energetic, metaphorical, symbolic, non corporeal realms. I have had to explain why my explanations are poetic or vague many times. I guess this is where having a name for a service that you provide is helpful for the expectations of what the service entails and the expectations of the outcomes that service might provide. For example, someone expecting to be healed instantaneously of chronic low back pain may be disappointed if they get Reiki, and it brings up an emotional healing of when their older sibling repeatedly did not share a toy with them, and they formed an opinion of the world being against their best intererst from the age of 5. My adice is to find a practice that suits you well, be it Reiki, chi kung, massage etc, or, as you said, more passive approaches, and get some qualifications behind you before you make any claims about what services you offer. Especially beforre you give up your normal job when you have a family depending on you. It may be a calling, but take it slowly, learn as you go. I have come to the point where I say to my clients that 4-6 weekly sessions will make inroads of most conditions. During that time, I make a provisional diagnosis of what I think is happening, interact with them on what level I think is appropriate, get them back for results & feedback on my approach, adjust my approach as neccessary into a working diagnosis, and cultivate my level of perception, appropriate action and skills from all that feedback. When I started, I had the attitude that I was just a messenger, a channeler, a chosen one, and did what I did, but had little accountablility for results etc. That's a process of growing up there to, from being a hero and saving the day, to being a warrior, knowing that life is sometimes hard, pacing myself and relating to people and their struggles. During this process, I imagine I needed less heroism & personal will to do what I do, because I eventually became that intent, needed less willpower & energy to work it.

 

4) High percentage? Yes, but I guess you are talking about general stuff like relaxation there. Specialised medical/clinical healing trials, not me persanlly,but I know of people/healers who have.

 

5) Like I was saying before, best to get yourselof qualified in something/anything, and your profession will then have guidelines for what is expected of you in terms of client safety/ethics/legalities/insurance.

 

Hope that helps.

 

PS: My one groan was people calling me a "healer", because it was so vague a term, & I never knew if they expected me to make them walk on water, or just get themn in touch with themselves on a deeper level for some emotional healing. Having a "name" to your approach helps solve this.

In my bodywork, I was practicing Myofascial Release at a health retreat for a while. The movements as I have described above as it happened to me are also how the fascial tissue unwinds it's stresses, and releases cellular memory, emotional charge etc (I found many crossover points of reference to myofascial unwinding & kundalini). So, in a session lasting 90 mins, I would literally unwind a person through their limbs, or perhaps even lightly through their subcutaneous superficial fascia. I might have had only a few people booked in at the start of the day. Emotional release was a goal of this treatment style, and people would gain access to deep states of being & sensation, and often deeply held trauma would come up to be consciously experienced to be let go of. Often people would cry, we would sit and talk, debrief, talk about its meaning, and they would go away feeling liberated, tell all the other guests there that I made them cry, and I would get booked out by the afternoon. Trauma however is not the only emotions that get stored in the body though, it is more a case of what is not expressed is stored within. I had one patient in particular absolutely lose it, and laugh histerically & uncontrollably at the end of a session. No good having all that good stuff stored without feeling its benefits!

I have the power to imagine my life playing out in my head. Its called daydreaming, or to an onlooker, lost in thought, and manifests magically in my daily life as absentmindedness and lack of concentration.

Please don't stop now. I've got bated breath over here. Or at least that's what someone told me.

 

Also, do you see a difference between allowing the energy to run from several inches away, or just placing your hands on the person? I've been trying it both ways. and Spotless? Your response didn't seem to come through?

 

 

Manitou, depends what you are doing as far as where your hands go. I go with the flow and just follow the changes in most instances. You will probably find that the flow changes as you change your mindset as well. As you are exploring at the moment, perception is key. If you go in looking for problems and healing them, the session will go differently to if you were to approach it in identifying a problem, and then looking to see how the person is handling it themselves, and focussing on amplifying their strengths rather than focussing on their weaknesses. If you were to go in to a session with a neutral approach, you may experience that you have less to do because the judgement holding that energy there is no longer relevant when that energy is witnessed non judgementally. Does that kind of make sense? Again, I come from a self-taught background of open exploration rather than a system or technique based approach, so I am a bit free form in what I do as well as understand.

 

A few examples from my experiences in terms of mindset and distance from the body .

 

As my Kundalini started settling down, my uncontrollable thrashing body movements became more balanced and would spontaneously lead me into asanas, mudras, and free flowing movements similar to Tai Chi/Thai style dancing with flowing arms & hand gestures. I found this integrated itself into my healing work as well.

 

One man who approached me for a session, had the personal energy of Kali, and was mentally unsettled, but also very vibed in where he was at in the world. I started with non agenda, with me just moving with the energy, dancing with it, and it led to me drawing strings/ribbons of energy out from his body, unknotting them, unravelling them. I was in a very large space, and had lots of room to move, at one stage I was about 10 meters away from him. The man rose off the table and contorted at times when I pulled ribbons from him, similar to a marionette. I tried to retain a safe space for him to experience whatever he was feeling, and at times had to shield myself from what was happening while making peace mudras with my hands, and remaining present ands available to him yet not scared. Remaining compassionate towards him. It was very powerful and very dramatic. I didn't get any follow up from him so I don't know at what level he was affected and how this changed things for him or not unfortunately.

 

By comparison, sometimes I will just sit with someone, hands on their body, and look for the stillness in their system/energy/being, and sit with them in that. Its similar to the Buddhist practice of seeing all sentient beings as Buddha. By witnessing it, they are able to experience it, and be it. Things shift & drop away, energetic disturbances lose their relevance, and expansive peace and resonance ensue.

 

I would probably approach the first man in this way now. It was many years ago now, and I was young, inexperienced, and easily impressed with how convincing the power and high drama of it all was. Now, I might have tried to get underneath the power of it all, and just witness as above, see what was relevant to him.

 

Once again, hope that is helpful. Just two more angles on a diverse field.

Regarding Positive - Negative and Neutral:

 

Think : Hot Cold Tepid

 

Think Don't Like Do Like Not Identified

 

I think it is good I think it is bad I do not have an opinion (or better yet) It is

 

Negative energy is not bad energy

Positive energy is not good energy

 

Think breath in breath out

 

Neutral energy is the closest to what we might want to call "good energy".

 

Almost all "love energy" has nothing to do with love.

 

Virtually all "negative energy" is simply a vibration that is being judged.

 

Black and White thinking is identified thinking.

 

You may see energy that is "bad" and it may be another persons answer to their growth - it may be the most positive energy to enter their life.

 

yin and yang - do you view them as bad and good?

 

Neutrality is NOT tollerance

It is no inertia

It can be said that if you truly reach this state - you will be at once enlightened.

 

 

Its a worthwhile point being made here Spotless. Neutrality is not unconditional love, and it is a good distinction to make that we are not all talking about the same thing when it comes to healing and its varied approaches.

 

Unconditional love surely heals. Big time.

 

Neutrality/non-dualism IME helps things to flow and come up for healing with ease. I AM and IT JUST IS reside in this space I am sure LOL. Would love to hear more on your take on this Spotless, contrasting the approaches.

 

I have a mentor/colleague, who isn't particularly the most heart centred person, but has amazing skills and abilities by remaining personally neutral, and treating all her palpatory experience in a session simply as information to process, and nothing more. Helps her retain clarity and good perception.

 

When getting caught up mentally within a session, I have used opposites, similar to what Spotless ahs described above, to help free me up & get me back in to a neutral/non judgemental state. Things like reciting black/white, good/bad, can/can't, should/shouldn't, hot/cold, hard/soft etc.

Beautiful, sublime & inspirational Lin, awesome. Thank you. It's beautiful hearing personal anecdotes.

Wow, there is some profound stuff being covered here.

 

Manitou & K, child abuse is certainly an issue that is prevalent to me in my own journey, & I would actually love to have it covered in a thread of its own by people as insightful as yourselves. I would be an active contributor to that.

 

I'm going to find it hard to contribute to this thread, due to its diversity, but will try nonetheless. Rather than try & cover all that has been spoken of (which I would love to- and thanks to all who have shared their experiences and thoughts), I will just drop in what I have experienced, and where my thoughts lie.

 

One thought is to try & classify healing approaches here in able to give an ordered sense of what foundation things are being accomplished by. For example, for each person referencing the foundations of the healing approaches they are speaking about.

 

An example of this is channelling "Úniversal Energy" which would be analogous to pouring water into a vessel, and where there are cracks in the vessel, the water automatically runs into & fills them. This was the explanation I was given of Reiki, though it is obviously a generalisation.

 

As a comparison, one might go into another's energy field to find specific interactions between say an etheric body, and its manifestation in the physical and try to improve or resolve the interface between those levels, at which is the cause of dysfunction. Its more direct, more specific, more in need of mindfulness & discernment.

 

That is not to discredit any approach, it's just to add to the idea on how diverse this field is. Add this to the power of infinity and you have an idea of just how diverse it may be. Manitou, you may find freedom in this fact, in that you are highly sensitive, highly skilled and insightful, and that you may be free to discover & create whatever approaches that you find are suitable to you and where you are at. There are no hard & fast rules, though having said that, training is helpful to help orientate you through different systems and their basic concepts. An example in my field is Western vs Eastern concepts of how the body works, and intervention/medicine.

 

My previous comment of just sitting with the body and having a conversation with your hands, is the end result of me striving as a youthful enthusiast, and realising that I may be projecting everything I know onto the recipients body in order to help them achieve some benefit from their session with me (nothing wrong with that either- keen to do what I could). Call me lazy, but now that I am older & have life experience, I now just get a general overview, approach with the person with little more agenda than to learn about what is going on & create a friendly supportive energetic rapport. This acknowledges that I only know what I know, and not what I don't. It also shows an empathetic willingness to be present and accept the person on whatever level they are at. I simply look for a window of opportunity to engage, and let it flow from there. I have not devised a ritual concept as you did with your lady with breast cancer- that was some amazing insight from you. There is much I have not covered. Stuff like the Yuan Method I find truly amazing, yet I have issues with a few of its elements also.

 

Where I am at, at the moment is to personally add a few distinctions here are the concepts between:

 

channelling vs internal self healing - an external energy source supplementing/or even overriding the person's limited abilities to heal versus an internal locus of control through the person's own ability to internally resolve what is going on in their system and heal themselves. An example being prayer or Reiki vs manipulation of one's energy meridians.

 

clearing vs integrating - getting "rid of" unwanted energy/energetic patterns, or restructuring/reconceptualising them in order to have them settle in easier within the person's own energetic system, and be accepted rather than rejected. An example here may be clearing past karma vs accepting the consequences of past karma, and moving on from it as necessary.

 

There is a whole lot more of course, and I am not wanting to create a "vs" sense of competitiveness here, that one is better than another, but more to illustrate the differences in the contrasting approaches of the total spectrum that this field encompasses.

 

I will give a few more examples of the different phases and mindsets I have passed through if appropriate, but hope that helps so far.

I LOVE this post! Thank you Sanzon! It is just what I was looking for.

 

I too am K-active, have been for maybe 8 or 9 years. I don't know if or how the K-energy interacts with this energy flow that anybody is capable of doing. I have seen serious kundalini energy in one of my husband's and my healing ceremonies, a woman with breast cancer. The K-energy actually came up through the ground, through her legs (she had no idea what was happening, she was a woman in her 80's) - and it somehow 'zapped' her breast cancer. It was gone. Period. I haven't had it happen before or since that dramatically.

 

But what we did in that particular case was something similar to what you were alluding to - I tried to triangulate "why" a woman in her 80's would get breast cancer, it seemed so odd. I asked her if she was overly obsessing about one of her kids, grandkids, or great-grandkids (because of the involvement of the breast, I assumed a "mother" issue. Sure enough, her 46 year old son and his girlfriend had moved into her home about 6 months prior to her developing the breast cancer. They were eating her out of house and home, and were a little rude to her besides.

 

She was an extremely Catholic woman, so I focused more away from the 'shamanic' and tended toward the Christian instead. I had her bury a picture of her son and his girlfriend, along with a picture of Jesus (that was comforting to her) in a pretty little box - we asked jesus to take the situation with her son and do something about it - we asked him to handle it and let her go back to her serene state. We were astounded that it actually worked. It actually worked....

 

For a situation like the above, I agree with you about the deep personal dynamics - I think a big part of that healing (and the K-energy coming up through her) had less to do with the 'ceremony' we performed (just a thing with drums, flute, and I used my staff to draw out a circle for her to stand in, consecrate the ground. It's all in the mind of the beholder, I'm thinking. There was nothing "special" about the ceremony - we just did whatever came to mind - but it was HER who drew the K-energy up through the ground, even though she had no idea what it was. She was somewhat shocked, and started to holler a bit (as much as an 80 year old would holler). It was a really strange sensation for her.

 

Could you go into 'having a conversation with your hands and their body' a litle bit more, when you approach them? I'd like to hear a bit more about that.

 

I'm triangulating everything I've ever read, whether in book form or on the TTB forum. I'm currently looking at various mindsets of famous ones - currently reading Health and Healing by Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science) and this woman has an astoundingly strong brain when it comes to 'getting under' the reasons for maladies. there's not even that much 'Christian' stuff to sidestep - she's pretty intellectual and heady, but really seems to have thought this out.

 

I'm getting close, Sanzon. So is my husband. I'm convinced that the more one practices this, the more one is able to move the energy. But only recently have I discovered the artificial ability to make my heart feel 'love' for the person being healed - even done artificialy, it really seems to magnify the energy.

 

Thank you so much for popping in and responding!

 

Hey manitou, that's some awesome stuff going on in your neck of the woods! I will get back to you when I have a bit more time to cenceptualise my thoughts ok .

 

Love listening to others points of view as well here, thank you.