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7 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:the perenium and all the pc muscles on the way to coccyx and sacrum I feel are all valuable to get to know better and try to isolate and activate
as contracting the anus and learning to contract the prostate. Doesn’t it all help to activate as much as this area as possible to help with mco
First of all concentration on the physical body may cause channels blockages
Secondly it may cause false fire rising
Thirdly it may cause deviations - lust, desire and so on...
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Just now, ChiDragon said:You should be enlightened by now, no?
No I got issues. But i did that before he suggested. I had solid background in it
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7 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:I feel sorry for them then!
so is it ur experience that LDT is just above the anus?
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I know a person who teaches others to concentrate on "third eye" area and this should set off downward kundalini flow, then it activates upward kundalini... then they meet and do the work. It is "integral yoga". He said he taught 3 other people and they got enlightenment.
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2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:What he said is true.
Well for some people it might work. But for 90 % of others it might cause issues
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1 minute ago, Forestgreen said:So, you have his book(s) then?
Oh I used to read his books years ago finding it interesting... Then I realized it is not for me. Then I realized this is westernized neidan.
I have pdf's. Opened coz somebody asked my opinion on his methods and I had to re- read it to show that person problem with that approach
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Just now, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:
Now you have to tell us who it isI dont want to promote him but he is very famous
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2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:Do you know what they meant?
sure
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8 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:Get to the point.
I know some people want quick solutions like "seat and breath into" but it is not the case in daoist system. Today opened a book of a "daoist master" who is quite revered in this forum and read his recommendation to concentrate on the area just above the anus and this should reveal LDT. Honestly I dont know who can buy this idea and why so many people follow such theories and methods.
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8 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:I stay with the Chinese Taoist concepts. I
BTW what does Dragon symbolize, you know it?
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13 minutes ago, Forestgreen said:I find the daoist terms less useful than the hindu/buddhist ones.
Yes daoist terms are quite tough to realize. That is why teacher is needed. As for hindu/buddhist the issue is whether they have preserved ancient methods which are equal to daoist ones. I personally dont like the concept of kundalini for example and the way they do it. I recall the theory of BKF who brought forward the idea of "water" and "fire" path. Hindu methods are based more on fire and more dangerous and not sure whether they still correct. I know there are still hindu alchemists in southern India but it is quite hard even to get into that lineage. I know a person who has been living there for 5 years now hoping to find that lineage people there. He did daoist methods and got visitation of a Hindu God from higher realm who told him to go to southern India
Personally to me it is strange he went there, he could go on with daoist path... Does not matter how u get there...
JUST DO IT
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On 22.09.2024 at 11:11 PM, ChiDragon said:what is your take on this one?
It's all not BS
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2 hours ago, Forestgreen said:It is just a common practice in daoist and hindu traditions to write stuff in a way that conceals the meaning.
Yes exactly. I understand it practically. It is not disclosed to the public coz many people like inventing their own methods.
I can say this applicable even to the wuji stance if done correctly or even to the warm up if u do right one.
This is certain principle. But honestly i cant say i get it fully yet.
One needs to realize what is the Lead and Mercury. Why Mercury is more liquid than Lead and that is hint
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13 hours ago, Shadow_self said:Do you understand you are probing a materialist ?
But I assume he believes that qi exists. Look at his nickname. Probably his viewpoint is limited. I wonder what is the goal of the external alchemy from that point of view. Probably turning stones into gold?
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How would you translate this from that text: 次,地果还生 腹中觉有一物,活活泼泼,如盘走珠
why is it about external alchemy?
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10 hours ago, ChiDragon said:This was a recipe for external alchemy(外丹術). It uses lead(鉛) and mercury(汞) in the process
Thank you that this time mercury is not symbolism of muscles and lead is not intention how to contract muscles
You are making progress. Keep going
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2 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:Dan Tien that reflect things I’ve read on this forum about the pill/elixir/foetus
Difficult to identify it, since u say ur yang rising to ur head I guess this is not about pill or elixir.
If this is not yangshen than what else it can be
YANG is your brightness, it what should rise
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3 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:Yang rises by its self very easily and reaches the head.
That false yang rises. Not what is expected in neidan.
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1 hour ago, Thrice Daily said:I'm pretty sure I'm getting What Dan is about, having yielded to natural breath for years in sitting meditation.
This is just no possible the way u do
Read thoroughly what Liu Yiming wrote:
QuoteHowever, when it is not refined by fire, Yang culminates and necessarily becomes Yin, completion culminates and necessarily becomes lacking. One falls into the postcelestial state...
It what I referred to in thread on Goals of Neidan when said that ordinary person too YIN (in post celestial state)
U cant get Yang just by sitting and breathing. This can only purify heart-mind to some degree
No more than that
In rare cases this is possible. If one completely disperse Yang and gets too Yin in hope that finally complete Yin will reverse into Yang
No warranty it will happen
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14 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:Sorry this thread kinda got distracted with qigong.
Exactly. This is daoist section of the TDB. Qigong has no relation to daoism as such because this is recent invention.
U cant get dan doing qigong. It can help u to regulate 12 meridians only, sometime 8 extraordinary channels
No more than that
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27 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:I'm not sure why Mantak Chia practices get such a bad wrap. That said though I only stick with very basic stuff.
Inner Smile - very safe simple and wouldn't understand how Mantak could somehow hold monopoly on it.
6 healing sounds - Again I learned through Mantak but really the sounds form largely on their own , it was a guide to learn, again a process surely you can't say don't use due to Mantak detailing it.
MCO - same as above really
This is qigong and not of a high quality. It has nothing to do with texts. Nearly garbage
It is not recommended to work on MCO using ur attention on it. You will disperse ur energy
Also you won't find such practices described in taoist texts
Ask Taoist Text if you dont trust me
He is the guru of TT
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55 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:And concentrating on Dantien is enough alone. If the next step is supposed to be revealed it will be and up we go, the next stage will flower.
Does that sound befitting?
I hope you dont you Mantac Chia stuff. Concentration on ldt... it depends what u mean by that. Slight attention may be true but combining with other methods. Detalis matter. I only can add you cant get it from the books. But there might be some book on northern style neidan where they use seated meditations. Some of them may give you some result but in general I cant recommend it.
This would be to YIN approach
1 hour ago, Nintendao said:It's a lovely rendition of Dragons Gate style alchemy.
Not only DG.
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What is the dan in neidan and dan tian? 丹
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at the moment no lust or desire for i live in remote area almost in the forest
need to check it when go socializing but the more i practice the more i realize what is what and i like internal ecstasy
wasting it is just like giving out the water u really need to drink
no masturbation, no porn ofc