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Citipati (Lords of the Cemetery)

In Tibetan Buddhism, the Citipati, or “Lords of the Cemetery” are two mythological Buddhist ascetics, who were so deep in their meditation, they were caught unawares by a thief and beheaded even before they knew they were dead. As a symbol, the Chittipati represent the eternal dance of death, and perfect awareness.

They are usually depicted as a male/female pair of intertwined skeletons caught up in an ecstatic dance. The dance of the Citipati is commemorated twice annually in Tibet with ritual dances. The Citipati are invoked as ‘wrathful deities,’ benevolent protectors who appear as fierce beings with a demonic appearance.

The Chitipati, or Charnel Lords

Related Symbols:

 

Hi C.T. ,

 

Thank you for responding in kind.

 

So then, Are the Citipatti associated with any Tibetan Buddhist school or just a type of Tibetan archetype/symbol?

 

Thanks,

Stefos

 

Edit: I just found out that Citipati are a manifestation of Mahakala, the general protector of the Kagyu school from which I received tantric teachings.

Hi everyone,

 

I found this interesting Thangka of Citti Patti:

A male & female skeleton standing on a lotus looking at one another.

 

I immediately thought...Wow, this is very poignant and beautiful.

 

Could someone please assist me in understanding Citti Patti's role in Vajrayana?

 

I can't find much about the pair.

 

Thank you!

Stefos

Hello everyone,

 

I have been very much aware of a recent "peak" of levels of Buddhist intellectualism on this particular sub-forum.

 

While intelligence is needed in all facets of life, much more important, in my view, is this "attitude of selflessness" which should characterize a follower of Dhamma/Dharma.

 

This "attitude of selflessness" manifests or should manifest itself in one's speech & actions, which, of course, stem from the particular state of mind a person is "in."

 

I would kindly like to remind ALL Dhamma/Dharma practitioners in this sub-forum that getting boisterous, pompous, arrogant, being unkind, etc. are DEFINITELY NOT right speech and hence not part of the noble 8 fold path.

 

Along the same vein, not answering honest questions put to one about one's particular view of or within Dhamma/Dharma is categorically NOT skillful means. Conflict resolution happens when people talk openly, honestly, courteously and with love towards each other.

 

I kindly request that all followers of Dhamma/Dharma in this sub-forum would stop being polemic and would restart their interactions with a fresh attitude & perspective about WHY this sub-forum is here and learn to actually love (Self-less-ly) one another.

 

I, for one, have been attacked & belittled when discussing particular topics here. I have questioned particular Dhamma/Dharma subjects vigorously and have verbally discarded particular Dhammic/Dharmic stances that others have held, NEVER DISRESPECTING THE PERSON. I have even been abruptly confronted on minor infringements, such as not quoting someone 100% correctly, with an ensuing backlash and also minimal followup communication from the offended party/parties to ensure that the said infringement was resolved.

 

The point is this: Intelligence & selfless love are the fountain-source of the Dhamma/Dharma

 

Let's try living it and expressing it daily here on this sub-forum because if it's not viewed, I doubt the sincerity and stance of those who called themselves "Buddhists" or purport to "know something about Buddhism."

 

Thank you for reading this.

 

I send my love to you all

Stefos

Hi Dwai,

 

Thank you for your kindness in expressing your understanding.

 

I send my love & well wishes to you

Stefos

Please forgive me if I sound ignorant, but I'm getting started on this and the variety of methods are confusing me.

 

I've been practising watching the breath for the past few years and have once or twice reached the state where my breath has ceased, giving rise to the awareness of chi movement.

 

I don't understand Dzogchen though, is there an essential difference? Where can I find more resources on it, or do I absolutely need a teacher?

 

Thank you.

 

Hi,

 

Here is my understanding:

 

Dzogchen states that everyone/every being is already enlightened!

 

The way to continue in "the primordial state" is to self liberate thoughts & emotions.

 

Dzogchen is the Nonduality of Kadag & Lhundrub or Emptiness & "Purity from the very beginning" (Outside & "Inside" space-time).

 

A Dzogchen master doesn't enlighten us.....A master only "introduces" us to our Non-dual state....That's it.

 

Zen is the Japanese version of the Chinese Ch'an.

Ch'an has both a gradual & sudden approach to enlightenment.

The sudden aspect of enlightenment is similar to Dzogchen but not the same.

 

The salient difference? Dzogchen says maintain self liberation and you will abide in Kadag/Lhundrub naturally.

Zen incorporates "bare looking" and such but it's emphasis is purely on Emptiness & not the "Purity from the very beginning" side.

 

Anapanasati works with mindfulness which eventually becomes meditative absorption leading ultimately to Emptiness but the knowledge of "Purity from the very beginning" isn't emphasized, Emptiness is only.

 

Finally, Zen & Anapanasati work with time in gradual stages &/or techniques to break through time. Even the Zen non-dual training.

Dzogchen works with Self LIberation, which is not a meditative absorptive state, which allows the timeless Non-dual state to simply be.

 

I send my love & regards to you

Stefos

Hi Mark,

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

With love,

Stefos

Why are you sending love, blessings and light to everyone at the end of every post? As for myself, I am not interested.

 

Sir, hello.

 

The reason I do so is because I have been bruised and crushed and am learning to exchange self with other.

 

Until a person is "broken," per se, they will not be able to bring healing. It's a paradox but a true one.

 

Furthermore:

If you are not interested why did you post here? Just don't post anymore.

 

Take care and goodbye

 

If I drink a potion that shuts down all perceptions of self and conscious mind, would I become God and Love in your reality?

 

 

 

Thank you kindly, I receive it graciously with a welcoming heart and return my own unlimited unconditional unbreakable Love to you and all beings capable of awareness of Love.

 

With Unlimited Love,

-Bud

 

HI Bud,

 

You're welcome sir........Thank you for your kindness & sincerity.

 

Regarding the "potion" question you pose:

 

I am in no position to answer a question like that as I am not All-knowing......I can only share my current perceptions with you sir.

 

And that I would do in private only as I have "learned my lesson" on a public forum.

 

Be well and be mindful....It's better than being mindless!

 

Stefos,

 

If self and love are mutually exclusive, then:

- Who is it who loves?

- Who is it who (wishes to) receive love?

- Who do you love (if not another self)?

 

I never said that self & love are mutually exclusive Michael.....first off.

 

The answer to your 3 questions depends upon one's worldview, Doesn't it?

 

The Christian answer

The Buddhist answer

The Advaita Vedantin answer

The Esoteric/Occult answer

Etc.

 

I have done comparative religious/spiritual studies for over 12 years and have learned about different religions/types of spirituality.

 

Hashem bless you

 

P.S.

"And he brought me to his banqueting table and his banner over me is Love"

Koheleth/Koheles

Love = Love

 

Fear = Fear

 

 

 

 

No matter where one travels and what company one keeps, it's still yourself you are with.

 

Hi Bud Jetsun,

 

I respectfully disagree and respectfully agree!

 

When a person posits "Love" that "Love" needs to be qualified.

 

To me when I read the Bible or examine the nature of mind in Dzogchen or I look into the nature of Brahman...I see no difference because real LOVE is where the self is not! Period.

 

The bible states that "Love seeks not its own" i.e. selfless

Dzogchen says that the nature of mind is perfect from the beginning...that would include selfless Love

Brahman is none other than Sat-Chit-Anand......Again no self.

 

You see my friend THE problem is the self, not love.

 

I am the problem.......You are the problem.....nothing else matters until this self gets resolved to no-thing.

 

And yes, wherever I go there I am............Let's pause and think about this deeply.......

 

I send my love (that is affection & care) to you in sincerity.

Stefos

I communicate with Luo Dong quite frequently now actually! LOL

 

He's the mack......and I love him.

 

Stefos

Eating....Sleeping.....Breathng....Why?

 

If "we" don't really exist...then why bother?

 

Why?

 

Hi Vortex,

 

I don't understand why you've used the same format in questioning as I have.

 

Sir, are you mocking me OR are you being serious?

I really do not know.

 

If you're mocking........stop it please.

 

If you're being serious, then here's my offering to you:

 

You assume that there is no "me".....Before you say there is no "me" Can you please define the me you're denying? This is extremely important.

 

Ex. Buddhists says that we are Emptiness or in other schools of thought, Emptiness & Perfection.

Christians say that we are Spirits that use the mind, brain and body.

Esotericists say that we are small gods, Spirits that is, that use the mind, brain and body towards either continuous expression of being the Godhead in the fullest sense of that word or not.

Advaita Vedantins say that we are......Sat-Chit-Anand..Period.

 

We all have a body & brain & mind.

 

The body interfaces with the world

The brain interfaces with the body & world

The mind interfaces with the world & body & manifests via thoughts/abstractions/ideals/archetypes.

 

I believe, due to certain "metaphysical" perceptions, that we are more than just body & brain bio-chemical "units" as modern materialism would have us believe.

 

So, The "why" to your question depends on the Ontology & the teleology of it or in other words, your question(s) can be answered a billion ways but in truth, there is ONLY one answer which has many sides to it. So there is the paradox! One true answer but with many different facets.

 

Ex.

Buddhists believe that being born as a human can be a good thing because only humans can be enlightened. Dzogchen says that the "nature of your mind" is Emptiness which contains endless potential for manifestation & Perfect-in-and-of-itself

Christians believe that being born as a human means that God chose you to be born & wants relationship with you and that you become one with God via the Holy Spirit.

Materialists believe that being born is either a deliberate or "chance" thing in which you exist & then die.

Esotericists believe that you, being part & parcel of God, work on yourself to be more like God, ultimately being God in the fullest sense of the word.

 

Finally, I ask that in the future, you please post something in line with my thread.

As it is, you've "hijacked" the thread as it's called in internet parlance.

Please don't do it again. Instead, PM someone in private.

 

I send my love to you, (Please don't take this in a sexual way, it is not intended to be so whatsoever)

Stefos

, Love, dating.. marriage. its all optional, you don't have to do it. You can live a good life without it. But there are advantages to sharing your life with someone else. There are countless benefits to a good marriage. Dating can be a pain, but it can be fun too. Falling in love is a wild trip, built both into our genes, our jeans, and perhaps a little bit from that God is love stuff.

 

Is this about being dumped and then trying to find 'spiritual' and social reasons to justify giving up on dating and romance?

 

Seems like you're looking for a Professor to student relationship. One where you explain reality to some starry eyed girl. Not a good strategy.

 

Solid recommendations, be funny, be open, listen as much as you talk. Don't send hour long philosophy youtubes. It may sound shallow, but compliment her, hopefully honestly. Everyone has good things about them. Do stuff together, and when you talk philosophy, don't do it in terms of absolutes.

 

Hi Thelemer,

 

Thanks for your insights....they are appreciated.

 

However, I disagree with you and you've fundamentally misunderstood me......Let me "take it from the top:"

 

1. Love, being selfless, is not optional for me or the world. Period. It is mandatory.

 

2. This is not "about being dumped and then trying to find 'spiritual' and social reasons to justify giving up on dating and romance?" but rather it's about myself expressing his views because of what he has come to understand insofar as certain particulars are concerned about Love, dating & marriage.

 

3. I am not "looking for a Professor to student relationship. One where you explain reality to some starry eyed girl. Not a good strategy."

I AM looking for a companion with which I can share my heart with and who will listen to my perspective and I hers.

 

The following things have been involved in my life, either directly or indirectly:

Being first generation American

Having relatives with deep mental illness

Being the first person in my family to get an advanced degree

Drugs

Alcohol

Comparative religious studies

Paranormal things such as Prophetic words & a Ghost I saw floating across the hallway of my friends home

Being a combat veteran of the U.S. Army which I was

Suicide

Etc.

 

My heart is to be a blessing to ALL people, not just "those I like" and who agree with me.

 

You're right about the hour long video however, she told me she enjoyed a similar video of Krishnamurti and Alan Anderson speaking together actually!

 

That's it friend,

My love to you

Stefos

 

Thank you

Sounds as if you were preaching to her.

 

Actually, I wasn't!

 

I posted the video to get her either moving (with me that is) or "Get off the pot."

She was moving too slow for my personal tastes......very slow insofar as communicating with me was concerned. To me, this usually means a person is communicating to more people than me.

 

If a person is online, what harm is there to talking? If you don't agree, an adult would say "It's been nice but I don't see things the way you do." End of discussion.

 

Many dating sites are VERY secular without an ounce of spirituality.

 

For example, the particular site I joined give one the option of saying they are "Spiritual but not religious."

This sounds like something weird to me............Does that statement "Spiritual but not religious" mean anything? To me, no.

 

I will never bother with another "Spiritual but not religious" person again.

BTW, no hard feelings from me...People do what they want to do & believe what they want to believe.

Not many people want to investigate spiritual matters.

 

Yeah...I mean normal people aren't going to get into that sort of thing before the first date. Not even on the first date. But then we aren't exactly normal around here...

 

If you truly believe what you're preaching, and are ok with the prospect of never being in an intimate relationship with someone, I think your approach is ok. If you find a woman who isn't scared off, you may have found a compatible one.

 

But I'll admit that to most people, you've got red flags all over you in the dating scene

 

The "dating scene" in the U.S. is very secular and very money oriented.

 

My experience has shown me that many ladies want to have kids and have the man rake in the money while they become "home-makers." As an adult, I don't need a home maker, I desire a companion & someone who'll live life with me.

 

I actually asked to her watch this video (Of Krishnamurti & Alan Anderson) and she agreed to it.

I did nothing wrong to this person nor did I say anything wrong to her.

 

Could you please clarify your intent behind this statement & smiley?:

"But I'll admit that to most people, you've got red flags all over you in the dating scene :)"

 

 

It is also a matter of different perspectives...

 

We may think we're creating a pretty package for someone to open and discovery something of interest.

 

What they see is simply baggage.

 

Hi,

 

What do you mean by this statement?

"

We may think we're creating a pretty package for someone to open and discovery something of interest.

 

What they see is simply baggage."

 

Are you inferring that I'm nothing but baggage? LOL

Please, I'm not angry......Just wanting clarification.

 

It's natural that we would like our partner to share our view on love and life. But better don't start with this if you can't be too sure to be understood! Maybe they'll be open to your perspective once they know what a nice and desirable man you are (even though the latter may lead to some kind of paradox here...). Or try to make contact with somebody hot in a spiritual seminar.

 

Well, I talked with her about Buddhism and the Buddhist perspective.

She stated that she meditated but my suspicion was that she probably did so in a secularized, half hearted way.

 

This person's perspective was, and I quote, "Spiritual but not religious"

In her particular profile, no mention of spirituality was mentioned.

 

My profile stated very clearly that I want to be with someone of high morals & ethics. No games.

 

You might have better luck at a 'spiritual' singles site. There are a few of them around. Or start one yourself?

 

Hi C.T.

 

Where, pray tell, would those be? I only know of Christianmingle.

 

I'm being serious.

 

Insofar as starting one myself, That's a great idea!

 

Incidentally, What do you think about this video on love?

 

Was Krishnamurti right?

 

Thank you,

Blessings of Guru Garab Dorje on you!

Hey everyone,

 

Currently I'm listening to Byzantine Secular Music volume 1 by Christodoulos Halaris.

 

He found Byzantine secular music in monasteries and he made the Byzantine instruments and set the music accordingly with proper tuning......Very smart man.

 

The music of my ancestors, the Byzantines, is very different from modern Greek music.

 

Greek Orthodox chants in church are the only things which the secular music can be compared to, nothing else can compare.

 

Stefos

Hi everyone,

 

I'd like to share a recent experience about "love" that I had today actually:

 

First, the background:

I joined an online dating site to supplement my dating potential with others some time ago.

 

I started talking to a nice lady around my age about things in general and developing communication with her.

 

I gave this lady a youtube post stemming from the dialogues of Krishnamurti & Dr. Alan Anderson about Love & Pleasure:

 

I subsequently told here that THIS is where I'm coming from, per se.

I also mentioned my spiritual affiliations insofar as Christianity, Dzogchen & esotericism are concerned.

I didn't quote any biblical text nor did I quote any Dzogchen text to her whatsoever at first.

 

Today I get an email back from this lady about "us not being compatible" & "Good luck finding love" LOL.........She was not being mean at all.

 

The whole point of me posting this is to say that people's concept of love is just that: A concept.

Sexual attraction, dating, co-habitation or marriage is the way the so called "love" cycle goes essentially.

 

My message to her was that love = God & God = love.

Furthermore, In the bible, it says that "Love seeks not it's own" which means that love is selfless. Now if God is love it follows that THAT love is selfless...i.e. No "me" nor ego.

 

In Dzogchen, we see that the "self" never was real....The only real thing is the nature of the mind. Again, Selflessness & pure being.

 

So, for all of you who care about being in a relationship leading to marriage or not, ask yourself these questions honestly:

Why am I seeking to date a person?

Am I seeking fulfillment IN another human being?

What does marriage actually mean?

Why should I get married?

 

I hope my experience has caused you to laugh & to think!

 

I send my love to all of you

Stefos

Hi Stefos,

 

I'm interested in the Bihar school also. They seem to have the most complete curriculum, and are not just focused on the physical postures. The books that I've read by Swami Satyananda and their other authors are great. There is a Swami Brahmavidyananda from the Bihar School in Miami that I've studied with a few times, but he said that he's retired from doing teacher training. I'm thinking about going up to Cleveland for the Yogic Studies 1 course in 2015 (two weeks on-site and 40 weeks of distance learning with a mentor). You have to take the Yogic Studies before the teacher training. I haven't been to Cleveland before, so can't help you with that. You might want to visit for a shorter workshop first before making that commitment. Good luck.

 

Hi Dainin,

 

Yes, they do seem to have the most complete curriculum.

 

I have both a B.S. and an A.S. degree and don't find any pleasure in either career path: Business/Computers

 

I would like to move to Cleveland & attend the school. After the school, I can "resume" the career or whatever you want to call my job.

 

I've spoken with people who visited New Hampshire, where I currently live, but reside in Cleveland.

One gent said that the 3 best cities are: Columbus, Cleveland and Cincinnati..not in any particular order.

People have clarified that the winter is similar to New Hampshire but not as harsh in Cleveland.

Columbus, Ohio has mild winters.

 

People have also stated that it's cheaper to live there as well and it is compared to New Hampshire & taxed out Massachusetts (don't bother living there, you'll be taxed to death! Seriously....The drivers are ultra aggressive as well)

 

I really can't keep on taking Fridays & Mondays off but I do need to visit there and establish an apartment there and get going.

 

The problem with Buddhist training in N.H. is that Boston is an hour away and there really aren't any formal training schools for Mahamudra and such...sitting "meditation" yes but anything else is a no-go.

 

Thank you for your insights.

Stefos

Hi everyone,

 

I was contemplating on attending the Bihar School of Yoga in Cleveland, Ohio.....Actually moving there and going through the school which takes a total of 3/4 years.

 

The Bihar school of Yoga is unique in that the founder Swami Satyandanda Saraswati's primary thrust was Advaita Vedanta, not yoga (Hatha or otherwise).

 

Swami Satyananda Saraswati however was also a great siddha I found out and knew Tantra as well.

 

It seems that he was part of the Dashnami order of Sanyasis who go around teaching, not stuck in a monastery all day.

 

Has anyone had experience with this school?

 

Does anyone here live in Cleveland?

 

Any help would be appreciated.

Stefos1

 

P.S. I have my B.S. degree & my A.S. degrees so now I really want to be in a spiritual environment, per se. Not like the body isn't spiritual however I hope you catch my drift.

 

Thanks again!

 

OM AH HUM

 

 

Hi 3bob,

 

No problems sir.

 

Our lil spat is over....as far as I'm concerned.

 

I'm not a malicious person...never was.

 

God bless you!

I don't know jack about Dzogchen (as in its school particulars) and unless there is some compelling reason to make further comparative speculations that amount to more than a hill of beans I don't have much interest.

 

Sorry Dzogchen doesn't appeal to you.

 

Anyone can contribute here, whether they agree or not.

 

I don't own this forum or this thread.

 

Take care,

Stefos

never mind guy, your projections are (still) your own.

 

Sorry 3bob for any misunderstanding....I mean that.

 

I've apologized to you over and over. If you don't believe my sincerity, please don't post.

 

You've asked me a question publicly and I posted responses back to you publicly.

 

If you had a problem with me about any ssue, it should have been addressed in private first, not here openly.

 

That easy

Stefos

Quoted from Vamadeva's website: (link below)

 

"...Ramana, though he emphasized Self-inquiry, never rejected the value of other yogic practices. He commonly extolled such practices as chanting the name of God, chanting Om and doing pranayama. He had regular Vedic chanting and pujas done at the ashram which continue today.

This traditional Advaitic view of different levels practice should not be confused with an approach that rejects all practices as useless. In this regard we can contrast traditional Advaita Vedanta, which Ramana followed, and the teachings of J. Krishnamurti, which is often the source of neo-Advaita’s rejection of support practices..."

 

http://vedanet.com/2012/06/13/misconceptions-about-advaita/

 

Thanks for the quote....

 

J.Krishnamurti emphasized "Choiceless Awareness."

 

In Dzogchen this is called Naked Awareness.

 

It is not a practice as such on one side due to no poses, no mantra and no visualization involved.

 

It IS a practice insofar as one must BE Choicelessly Aware and not play intellectual games about the concept of being Choicelessly Aware.

 

Dzogchen states that it is the state "Beyond the sickness of effort"...Effort being mantras, yantras, mudras, visualization of Tantric deities, etc. It's just being "Nakedly Aware."

 

Stefos

never mind guy, your projections are your own.

3bob,

 

Sorry....It had nothing to do with you AT ALL......I'm just trying to help you understand your defense mechanism.

 

I told you before that THAT statement had nothing to do with you. I can't be any clearer than that.

 

I don't remember the persons name who attacked my but thought it might have been you....And it wasn't you.

 

Please let's move on and past this junk of misunderstanding.

 

Thank you & God bless you,

Stefos

no big biggy, but why you even came up with idea of "if" I don't know?

 

Hi,

 

Yes, it is a big deal because it affected you in a particular manner actually....I don't understand why you allowed it to affect you in that way & deeply without at least PM'ing me.

 

The answer to "why I even came up with the idea of "if" is that I don't remember the person who attacked me viciously & categorically UN-Buddhist wise.........It's that simple.

 

Take care,

Stefos

3bob,

 

Sir, I NEVER accused you of being that particular individual!

 

If you read what I state in my post, you'll see that I said "Me "minding" or not sir, is irrelevant...I really mean that, Who am I anyway? "

 

I also stated "if you are a different person" meaning "If you aren't the same guy."

 

It was categorically NOT an attack upon your person.

 

I apologize but I believe you are being overtly sensitive to something I didn't even say to you.

 

Stefos

my case is that i am pretty much bored with everything the world has to offer, or at least i'm not interested in investing too heavily. the time when i really feel alive and excited to be that way is when i get to talk to people about their true self, when the search for the self is foremost in the mind.

 

but the thing i can't figure out is, how i can bring this into my life. it's never going to just "come up" in conversation, and its focus is so far away from what we usually spend all our time talking about that it's very left-field when i do bring it up, and the subject rarely gets picked up by the group. it's as though some silent alarm goes off in the mind and all the minds rush towards other topics.

 

do you have any experience with this? have you found friends in real life who are pursuing this path as well? how do you bring this into your life? i feel sometimes that no one is so committed to this as i am and i sometimes wonder if that doesn't mean i just have to be alone most of the time.

 

Hi!

 

Yes, sir, you'll be alone most of the time!

 

People in general don't want to hear this because they are pursuing worldly things:

Sex, drugs, money, bigger & bigger position, better car, better home or apartment, etc.

 

When a crisis or death knocks at the door, my friend, these people who've chosen not to examine these things discussed on TTB will be in a psychological crisis of IMMENSE proportions........And I feel very sad about them...It breaks my heart actually.....They choose not to search after these things.

 

Look, in my view: be mindful, be honest & truthful, be harmless, have integrity in your own person.

If you do the moral thing even when no one is looking, you will have no problems with your conscience.

 

If you meet other people who share a similar heart as yours, love them and respect them.

 

You can ALWAYS PM me....I'll be here for you and I will respond promptly.

If you want to communicate by email, we can do that too!

If you want to write, we can do that too!

 

Please don't be sad....I love you (Please don't take it in a sexual way, it's not meant to be)

 

Be Blessed!

Stefos

 

P.S. Your TBB name is Greek "Not for a name/Nameless".......Ellinas eimai kai eyo

"Why would a "Buddhist" teacher, the Buddha didn't come to make "Buddhism", not acknowledge this?" by Stefos

 

Just dropping by if you don't mind - could you clear up the sentence above?

Hi,

 

I don't own this thread or website but would contribute financially to it. Me "minding" or not sir, is irrelevant...I really mean that, Who am I anyway?

 

If you're the same person that did nothing but argue with me approx. 6mos ago, I'll give you the below to read,.....I am not into polemics..... If you are a different person, please read it anyway!:

 

Guru Norbu Rinpoche is not a "Buddhist" as such. He is teaching "Beyond the sickness of effort"

The Natural State & Self Liberating thought are beyond "effort" i.e. using mind to crush mind, be it via Tantric or Thera ways, even beyond the Ngondro of Mahamudra!

 

Most schools of "Buddhism" are not Buddhist at all.....For example How many different "Buddhist" sects are there?

They are not all right.....impossible. They each promulgate their own methodology of Soteriology.

 

No, The Buddha spoke about that which is "Unborn, Undying, Unconditioned, etc."

 

The Buddha made a difference between the mind and that which "enables" the mind to even exist...It's the substratum and to me it's not different than Brahman.

 

Hi Stefos,

You posted this: "Guru Norbu Rinpoche actually even stated that Jesus was a Dzogchen master!".

 

I have never posted that.

 

I do recall saying that Jesus is a Dzogchen Master, and then later that Jesus is beyond being a Dzogchen Master. (because he is)

 

However, I did never say that C N Norbu said that.

 

Did you ever personally hear Guru Norbu say that?

 

My apologies then! I believed that you did state that......No need for an ultra serious tone please. It was merely a statement.

 

I did not hear him say that personally. I have been on 2 retreats with him.

 

People generally meet together at his residence either on the Tsegyalgar property or in Buckland, Massachusetts during a retreat, which generally falls in the summer. I'm not sure where his residence is honestly.

 

I'd like to ask you how & what let to you to believe Jesus is beyond being a Dzogchen master. I'd like to know if you're willing to share. If you don't want to because you've posted it already, if you kindly point me to where it is, I'll search for it.

 

Thanks.....Again apologies as I thought you posted that particular statement.

Stefos