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Along these lines it was tragic to recently read about the arrest following sexual abuse charges against John of God. But if the charges are true, this is not surprising during our current Kali Yuga age where the abnormal is the norm. Souls incarnating with great spiritual gifts yet there ego has not been disconnected so they have a great fall from Grace. The problem is that then some people over generalize about this and think that all gurus are not the real thing. Guru means remover of darkness which is the bringer of Light. That is the role of a true guru.

I heard him talk of this when I learned qigong from him. Spring Forest was the first form that I learned.

Yes, I was referring to Dr. Yan. He is most likely the master whom Chunyi Lin was crediting for healing his injured knee. It's strange that videos has been taken off YouTube that concern Dr. Yan. I listened to one of his lectures but I didn't feel anything from it. That doesn't mean his work is not effective. It's just that I could not sense his energy.

To Zork I would say that Eric has stated that he sees that Qigong does work in layers and that it contains a self-directed intelligence that guides it to go where it is needed at the time. I assume that the alchemical process resulting from the breathing sequences works in the same manner using self-directed intelligence do what it knows to do when and where.

I am currently involved with parenting a toddler who is less than 2 years old but she has frequent tantrums. They go away when we consistently ignore them. The path less taken will eventually result in someone riding off into the sunset perhaps.

Spoken like a true aspiring Master! Many lessons lie within those well chosen words. The timing of reading Earl Grey's post is impeccable because 2 days before I received a reply from Eric Isen about my inquiry as to why I have seldom experienced any of the wonderful things that he has seen qigong doing for me during his many tests of the many forms I have tried over many years. His answer is that what he sees qigong doing for a person can take several months or even years for it to be experienced by the individual. So when I read Earl Grey's discourse that included the words, diligence and discipline, I lit up with resonance. Namaste to Earl Grey.

For those who cannot afford to pay the fee to learn Spontaneous Five Animal Play but do want to experience spontaneous Qi flow, for whatever reason, I would recommend you buy Sifu Jenny Lamb's qigong DVD and practice her Spontaneous Adjustment Qigong and I assure you that you will very quickly experience to some degree body parts moving on their own due to flow of Qi. Requires just sitting down and holding hands in a certain manner and lifting your heels off the ground. It is that simple and easy to learn and do. Of course, I am not saying that you will have the healing results that you would get from Spontaneous Five Animal Play. I am just saying this is a method for those who want to experience spontaneous Qi flow and movement in a very easy, quick and inexpensive way. I do think that learning any method in the traditional manner that it was meant to be taught is important. There are certain methods that just do not work well when self-taught. So my input here is for those who do not wish to try Spontaneous Five Animals Play on their own, but do want to learn a way to have an experience of spontaneous Qi movement. For Jenny Lamb method to work I found out, for me, at least, that I had to have had a full night of sleep or it would not work. And it also did not work at night when I was fatigued. But that might just be because of my make up. For me it did not work every day. It was hit and miss. But once again, that just could be due to my nervous system, energy blocks, etc. Jenny Lamb taught her method to Max who then tweaked it just a tiny bit with the hand position and he renamed the method, Kunlun Method. But one and the same. I say this because I learned from Jenny Lamb's DVD and then later I learned Kun Lun Method directly from Max in a private session. It took about 3 minutes to learn. There is no danger in learning Jenny Lamb or Kun Lun methods.

Where is it stated that during Flying Phoenix Chi Kung an entity takes over the body? To believe something like that I would have to hear that from the lineage holder of this method, Sifu Terry Dunn. While doing a number of Doo Wai methods over the years including Flying Phoenix I have never experienced anything that would make me think my body had been taken over.

If you have done Yadi's qigong then Flying Phoenix would seem sort of simple in comparison. I ordered Yadi's very amateurly done qigong DVD and did it for about 10 minutes and ejected it as it was pretty difficult. High priced and very poor visual quality taped during one of his workshops. I found Yadi to be quite a hype master. His online infomercials, shot in what looks like his bedroom, leaves you with the message that whatever qigong form he is currently hawking is the latest, greatest method of them all. And if you are not doing his qigong then you are pretty much wasting your time doing any other method since his qigong is the only one that gives you real results. What I did appreciate about Yadi is that he replied in detail to any question that I asked him via email and his replies were soon after emailing him even if was very late at night.

"Their soul is beyond the death of the body" Is this not true for all humans that our soul is immortal? I personally exchange the word immortality for enlightenment when I read Taoist literature and I never thought they were talking about immortality of the physical body. In my mind they are referring to the state of Pure Consciousness which is ever lasting and exists beyond the loss of the body. Many ancient Chinese have died because they mistook symbolism for physical attributes such as ingesting alchemical formulas in the name of becoming immortal. People who practice a very deep form of meditation have directly experienced that Consciousness exists even without the body. So as the Consciousness that we basically are, we are all immortals temporarily residing in a human body until death do us part. My take on it anyway.

As to feeling energy of Kuan Yin, the legend says that Flying Phoenix Chi Kung was taught to monk Feng Do Duk by a celestial goddess. I believe this is possible because I am friends with 2 people who have been taught by well known deities. One was given a gift to use by Lord Krishna, and the other person was taught a chi kung healing form for herself and others by Kuan Yin. Both of these people were on energy/spiritual courses when this took place. Neither one of these people is the type who gets carried away by imagination or makes up stories to impress others, or engages in mood making. I have received the services of one of these people for a very long time and therefore have experienced the gift that was given by the deity. The other person is my best friend's sister, a retired school teacher and her word is impeccable. When I see her again I will ask to see the chi kung method that Kuan Yin taught her. I forgot to ask for a demo of that when I met her for the first time a year ago. It is only because of these 2 people that I would ever believe that Feng Do Duk might truly have been visited and taught by a goddess/celestial being/bodhisattva, etc. The tangible sensations from some of the chi kung from Doo Wai that I have learned is so very different from the other qigong methods that I have experienced, and I have tried 90 or more different chi kung styles so far.

The breathing sequence is done before doing the postures and once learned it is very easy to perform. During the postures you breathe naturally. The pre-posture breathing creates an alchemical process involving the Qi. For me, no other styles of qigong give the unique sensation of my hands cutting thru a cloud of thick Qi as they move during the forms. I am referring to the qigong methods from Grandmaster Doo Wai which includes Flying Phoenix and advanced qigong forms. I think it would be hard to evaluate Flying Phoenix from the outside. One would have to try the forms and read the long thread of posts about it on Daobums to understand how it differs from other styles of Qigong. Some of the forms can take awhile to memorize, and some are very simple and easy to learn. A lot has to do with how strong your short term visual memory is. Learning is made easier by playing the DVDS via VLC media player so you can change the mirrored image in order to have the instructor's hand and arm movements going in the same direction as yours instead of having to do mental gymnastics to figure out where his left and right is compared to the direction you are going in. But like anything else, this style of Qigong has to fit your individual preferences.

Find a qigong teacher in your area since your questions and concerns suggest you would have a clearer mind with less worries if you received personal guidance in structured classes. After you understand the basics of qigong you would probably be then ready to learn from a series of dvds. I don't think you are yet ready to learn on your own.

As many people that you ask about any aspect of a chi kung form, that is how many opinions you will receive. The person to ask is Terry Dunn.

Fragrant Qigong warns against doing any additional qigong method that uses unnatural breathing. The breathing sequences used in Flying Phoenix Chi Kung would fall into that category and thus it would not be wise to do Fragrant Qigong if you are also doing Flying Phoenix Chi Kung. The other thing to keep in mind is that many of the reported healings from Fragrant Qigong took place in soccer stadiums in China filled with several thousand people or 1,500 as a minimum before the master would conduct a group. I don't know how much healing there has been from people doing Fragrant Qigong alone.

A well spoken reply stating reasons and a solution by Sifu Terry. The materials that Sifu Terry eventually brings out when time permits are definitely worth waiting for. I also think that the Flying Phoenix DVD series has enough qigong on it to take a lifetime to master, so the investment for a now cheap dvd player used only for qigong learning would be well worth it. Or simply playing FP DVDs on the computer's built in dvd player. These days a teacher has to go where the students are. And if a teacher lives on the West coast of America, but the most interested students live on the East coast, then it is a blessing that this teacher would take the time and effort to go to those students. I appreciate that Sifu Terry has given us a detailed explanation on why it is not feasible to create downloads at this time. In these days of sound bites serving as communication, his penchant for detailed replies is much appreciated.

In terms of recommending Pangu I am wondering how one gets past the boredom of doing that routine? I posted in years past my amazing overnight healing from a serious virus by doing Pangu Qigong but I did not continue with for that long because it was very boring doing it. But it is simple and very effective.

llOf the 80-90 different styles of Qigong that I have tried I find none easier to do than Fragrant Qigong and it has tested as being very effective. The good news is that there probably is a German dvd of this from Emil who learns all these different qigong methods and then puts them on dvds to sell on his website. I can't recall his last name but if you search under emil doing qigong on youtube you will see his many youtube demos of qigong there and that will lead you to his website. I recently visited my 93 year old mother with the intention of teaching her qigong and I chose Fragrant Qigong for her but she said her arm motion limited so she did not want to even try it. But I believe she could have done it.

The administrator posted somewhere recently that this zen-bear thread is now a PPD. Can someone tell me what that means and how does it get accessed from here?

Also to Star Jumper, there is no way to do the level 2 Fragrant Qigong properly from any you tube video unless you understand Chinese. This is because there are movements done where you have to work your legs in a way that is opposite to the side you are moving your hands to, etc. That requires teaching and practice which is available in English on John Dolic's dvd of this form. I learned levels one and two from his dvds. Then you can follow along with the youtube videos of Master Tian's daughters doing the forms. I would not trust any other posted videos of Fragrant Qigong because even as a novice I noticed mistakes being made. My wife strongly smelled the scent of flowers when she tried doing Fragrant Qigong the first time and she smells it when I have done the form in the same room as she is in. But I have yet to smell anything, nor have I felt anything other than the typical chi sensation in the hands. And that is all I have felt from any of the other 80-90 methods of qigong that I have tried.

In reply to Star Jumper, I was also doing one method from Chi-Lel/Zhineng along with the Fragrant Qigong. The method from Chi-Lel is a common posture they call La Chi. It is the one where you look like you are playing an accordion. Palms face each other close to each other and you then open them apart and then come back together. In Spring Forest Qigong this posture is known as Breathing the Universe. For the first 10 days that I did these 2 qigong methods I did not have to wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, an age related condition of prostate gland. However, after several days things reverted back to how they used to be so that was a brief and temporary healing only. That was disappointing. But it could due to the fact that I slacked off doing the La Chi posture. It was tested that doing it for 30 minutes would be the optimum amount of time. But I stopped doing that much. So I need to go back to doing it for the recommended amount time like I did for the first 10 days to see if the condition again improves.

I have received some advice from a teacher of Fragrant Qigong who studies TCM and qigong for several years in China and he has visited the Tian family. He told me that other qigong methods can be done with Fragrant Qigong just as long as they do not involve unnatural breathing methods and do not use visualization or guiding the Qi mentally. I have never smelled any fragrance but my wife smelled fragrance strongly the first time she tried Fragrant Qigong and each time she has tried it. She also can taste flowers in the Fragrant Qigong water that I make following Master Tian's method for that. But I have never tasted anything from the water. Yet the method works regardless of what is being sensed or not sensed. Some people base their evaluation of qigong methods by the experiences or sensations that they have from it. That would be a mistake since you cannot determine what the Qi is really doing for you during the practice. I want to clarify the post that I wrote in January of 2018 when I said that Earl Grey's teacher visited Master Tian's family and Master Tian is alive and well. I since have spoken with that person and he said he visited the family but Master Tian was not there. So it would be incorrect for me to report that he said Master Tian is alive and well. From what I read in the book it seems that Fragrant Qigong is most powerful for healing when done in very large groups. But I have also heard of testimonials from people doing FQ alone. As for learning the method from videos I have John Dolic's dvds and I find that the posted youtube videos on this thread done by Master Tian's daughters are done in the same way that John Dolic performs them. But you do need instruction for the do's and don'ts so you would need John's dvds for level one and two if you do not understand Mandarin. And a reminder that different qigong methods do different things for different people. I did Flying Phoenix Chi Kung for 2 years and did not heal anything. I did Fragrant Qigong and after the first night it improved a medical condition that I had for 20-30 years. So different strokes for different folks. But if someone wants to feel chi very strongly, then Flying Phoenix most likely will do that for most people. I always enjoyed doing Flying Phoenix but my lifestyle never permitted enough time for it.

After many months of doing the Eddie Chong method I never felt any kundalini going up the spine as forecast by Eric Isen the medical intuitive. Since I was unaware of any results from this method I dropped it regardless of the glowing test results. Decades ago when doing the correct method for Patanjalis Yoga Sutras, as only taught thru the Transcendental Meditation program, I definitely felt strong kundalini rising up the spine that reached the crown chakra and lit up my brain with colors and explosions of bliss and love. So if Kundalini is rising up the spine, there is no way to miss that happening. And nothing was happening from doing the Eddie Chong Chi Kung. Since my nervous system or brain is probably blocking chi kung methods from working, I will no longer post any test results from Eric Isen unless I later have some kind of experiences from any energy method. Other people that have tried some of the methods that Eric has tested for me do have great results. So I am not saying that Eric's testing is inaccurate. I am just sayin I am lacking in being able to register any benefits in most cases. There have been exceptions to this but it has been a number of years since having legit experiences from chi kung other than strong sensation of chi in my hands. And that is not notable at all since it is what most beginners soon feel whenever they do chi kung for the first time. So as of July 16, 2018 signing off until I have experiences to report rather than just great test results.

I watched the interaction between Sifu Terry and GM Doo Wai. Having worked in my career with people who have had brain dysfunction due to one reason or another I can understand that Sifu Terry was trying to keep GMDW focused on the questions. Otherwise, his mind would have wandered all over the place and there would be no answers. I have had to use similar ways to communicate with my brain dysfunctioned clients over the years to create some kind of organization that their brains were lacking. It is amazing that GM Doo Wai is able to speak at all considering the number of strokes he has suffered. And I did not detect any rudeness in the tone of Sifu Terry's voice. Sifu Terry was applying the external control that GM Doo Wai's internal mental status currently lacks. That is how I perceived it.

I don't think he was a fake because Chunyi Lin talks about going to a soccer stadium where this master was transmitting Qi and Lin's old basketball injured knee suddenly was healed. The subject of this thread was the master there.