tao stillness

Out of curiosity I did look at Bruce's dvd last night and I like his teaching style which is easier to follow on his video than with a book, which is true for anyone. Precise describes it well.

Thank you Sifu Terry for such an open and informative reply. I will create my personal and tested findings from my experience with probably 15 different styles of chi kung over the past 7 years to the best of my memory and the saved test reports from Eric. I will do it all off the top of my head since I have a virus now and have not enough energy to do too much with any project right now. Yet, here I sit having Grand Master Doo Wai's 18 meditations for healing using just the one same breathing sequence for all of them, called "Wind Among the Heavens" but the lethargy of the virus makes doing them a daunting task, LOL. The irony of it all. Let us start with Lee Holden who was my first do it once and then throw the dvd away. Seemed more like calisthenics. Spring Forest I have done for the past 7 years but only at work because we needed something very simple that severely mentally ill people can do. They cannot put the effort into learning how to do the breathing sequence of Flying Phoenix. Spring Forest does result in feeling chi sensations and the movements are easy to learn. I like it but I never thought it was high level and never bothered to have it tested. Keep in mind as I share my experiences that I have been told I do not have a strong enough connection to my right brain as there are energy blocks in the corpus collosum so I am very left brained. So if I actually can feel subtle energy from a method, that means a lot that someone like me can feel something from it. Next, we have Falun Dafa. This is very powerful. I actually felt the etheric Falun Wheel being installed in my lower dan tien a few days after learning the method. Eric recently tested it for a second time and found that just as that Master claims, it does open all energy channels, major and subtle, and the Falun Wheel generates chi 24/7 as claimed. When Eric tested it several years ago he described what the wheel looked like and it did match the pictures of it. He to my knowledge had never seen any of these pictures. Strong chi from this but here is the downside: you have to hold each of the static postures as long as you can before moving to the next one. As time went on I was able to hold them longer and longer but I had to go to work or later had to go to bed at night! Then you have to do this meditation for an hour holding your arms out at the sides. It was time consuming and it felt like torture. So I gave up 2 times after doing it for 90 days. There was time to do nothing else because of Falun. Then Qinway Qigong from the female master who sends this dvd which sets up a Qi field in your house when you play it. I enjoyed doing it and Eric found that Divine energy is indeed being given off from her dvd and all of her products like Qi infused tea and small deity statues. Not sure why I did not stick with that one. There are others that I discarded because they were too hard for me to learn to do. Cannot recall the names. I really liked Dragon Gate Chi Kung dvd, very simple to do and strong chi. It is a series of 4 static postures. Eric tested it and found it to be powerful but then 2 yrs ago I saw this ad for Flying Phoenix Healing Chi Kung and Eric told me to drop Dragon Gate and pursue FP as it was much more powerful and beneficial. Eric found that FP opens energy channels, chakras, etc, improves health, but also taps into a higher dimensional energy as does the other Grand Master Doo Wai videos. So FP is not this ordinary chi kung giving just health benefits. Other levels are being tapped into. In terms of enjoying the FP postures and the chi sensations in my hands and at times in third eye, I do not have to tell anyone about that. I find FP the most compelling chi kung method to do. The downside for me is that there are so many meditations to the system but I do not have time to do them justice so that was very frustrating for me. I then started doing Sunn Yee Gong, also from GM Doo Wai. These were tested as being very powerful. I enjoyed doing them and they were easy to do. But again, there were multiple levels of meditations to do and I just did not have the time to do the system justice. But very strong chi could be felt from them. I did GM Doo Wai's 690 AD dvd, the bone fide version. It was tested as giving me "Divine Blessings" from the light/energy that Eric saw above my head. Problem with this I could only do the static part 2 postures as the moving meds were not broken down so there was no way to learn them as I could not figure out all of those crossing hand movements. But the static ones gave really powerful chi sensations in the hands. To not offend any teachers of Primordial Qigong from Wudang mountain I will lump them all together as I have had 2 of the main dvds from this style tested and they showed not much benefit at all even though it a beautiful movement to watch. Gift of the Tao was tested to be very powerful and good for the immune system but I could not learn one of the movements. I need more slow motion breakdowns to learn from a dvd. But it is supposed to be very good. StillnessMovement from the same teacher of Gift of the Tao is also very powerful but requires energy transmission from the teacher and learning it at a workshop. Here is a warning. I recently saw this beautiful movement of Taoist Wudang 5 Animal Form Qigong and loved the flowing movements. Eric tested it and saw "black energy" at various locations on my nervous system if I were to do it. He could not interpret that energy but said it did not look good and warned me to not get this dvd. A few years ago I had Shibashi tested, the movements look great. Eric found that it would not have a good effect on my nervous system so I did not order it. Robert Peng's chi kung tested good and I tried it but that was right before I found Flying Phoenix and it did not compare to FP. Celestial Chi Kung tested very well but not as good as FP. I am sounding like a real bar hopper! My New Year's resolution was to find a powerful chi kung method which did not take long to practice and was also easy to learn. Soon after that I stumbled upon a post on Taobums and was communicating with someone who told me that Pangu Mystical Qigong was the simplest form he had ever done but also the powerful in feeling chi. I had it tested and learned that it works by opening the most important 3 nadis/energy channels of the 72,000 nadis in Vedic terms. The 2 side channels and the middle channel and this will result in kundalini rising and that is what heals the body from this practice. It only takes 20 minutes to perform. So that is what I have been doing so far this new year as it fits my time constrained requirements. Looking back at all of the test results I would say that any chi kung meditation from GM Doo Wai is the best. I just think one would have to live more than one life time to be able to learn all of them and to find the time to do them. Please keep in mind that the clairvoyant testing shows how these methods work on me, the testing is for the individual and thus the results cannot always apply generally to other people. Also, no chi kung session has given me the depth of relaxation or transcendence of thoughts that comes from doing Transcendental Meditation. To me the experiences between meditation and chi kung do not compare. I do chi kung for health reasons and as a spiritual tool. People who do Bhagavan's Oneness Blessing have amazing experiences and claim there is no other energy like it. Unfortunately, I have never felt any sensation in the least from it and I have been doing it for the past 6 years and I am a Blessing Giver of this energy. Sad but true. It is my hope that perhaps some day chi kung will clear away whatever is blocking Oneness Energy from working for me. And since I have such a slightly used collection of chi kung dvds, anyone is welcome to buy them from me. Almost forgot to mention Dragon and Tiger Medical Qigong. I bought it because I love the name! It tested very well, especially for health, liver and lungs. I never even looked at the dvd after starting to read the book and it seemed hips have to be at certain angles, etc. That kind of precise alignment is not for me. I read good things about Jerry Alan Johnson's dvd, "Chi Kung, the Healing Workout". Tried it once and discarded it as it seemed to much calesthetics and the breakdowns and teaching is not that great. It just could be that I am 66 yrs old now and I just don't learn as quickly as I used to so I need really simple, basic forms to do. But at least I have my own Ebay chi kung store! It is said that there are hundreds of different styles of chi kung. I am beginning to think it is more like thousands of chi kung forms to choose from. Without a medical clairvoyant telling me what each one does, I would be clueless, it would be trial and error. How would you like to be one of those guys who has spent decades doing just one chi kung form and that one turned out to be low level chi kung? This brings up a great topic for Sifu Terry. What makes Flying Phoenix high level chi kung?

Master Bing is amazing? I was told that if one does his Wudang Five Animal form qigong dvd that black energy will appear at various places in their nervous system. I was told this by someone who has the gift of sight.

Chi kung seekers will be satisfied with Terry Dunn's Flying Phoenix dvd series and also the dvd downloads from Garry Hearfield who is in Australia and teaches Sunn Yee Gong. Both of these teachers had the same Grandmaster Doo Wai. The postures and movements can definitely be learned accurately from the dvds and the resulting chi and other benefits are noticeable right from the start.

I just had my medical clairvoyant test Matthew Cohen's Fire and Water Chi Kung and it tested very well for me. He said it opens the third chakra so it will improve my digestion and immune system. It will also work on 1st and 2nd chakras and then over time it will reach to the upper chakras. Probably am not going to order it as it is 30 minutes to do each of the 2 forms. I am sticking with powerful Pangu Mystical Qigong which takes 20 minutes.

I loved seeing a comment using the Enneagram. Those number 8's are something else with their grandiosity and control.

Anyone wishing to find out first hand if an avatar can appear at multiple places simultaneously is welcome to attend a Oneness movement free 3 Chambers process to experience the physical manifestation of the Divine. This new method has been tested in India and is now available worldwide. Sifu Terry, would you mind giving us a list of the chi kung dvds which you consider to be worthless? One of the most beautiful and well taught chi kung videos by a famous modern teacher using a method from the Wudang mountains tested as producing not much value at all. And last night I just viewed a nice looking one from a chi kung teacher who spent a lot of years in China and it appeared to have a lot of calesthetics type chi kung movements to it which I have never enjoyed. It was one of those do it once and done for me to add to the pile of chi kung videos that I have discarded.

Winn's Pangu is NOT the same as Master Ou's Pangu Shengong. Michael Winn tells you no visualization is necessary. That is the first mistake in the teaching. Then he tells you he has modified it a bit! Second mistake. Third and most costly mistake, the form relies on an initiation transmission of chi from Master Ou or if learning from one of his teachers for the form to do what it claims to do. At my workplace we do Spring Forest Qigong every day and I can tell you that you will feel chi from Spring Forest but I have been doing Pangu Shengong for only 2 weeks now and the chi felt in the hands from Pangu is stronger than from Spring Forest. And there are some amazing stories of health healings from Pangu Shengong which has health and spiritual benefits. I have been taught in person by Master Chun Yi Lin of Spring Forest and he is a really nice guy and a good teacher. Wuji or Primordial Qigong has very little benefits in spite of its popularity. You will feel the chi and have some very interesting experiences from Gift of the Tao which I have only begun to learn. But your post is extremely important as one can spend a lifetime using a weak chi kung method and gain very little compared to some heavy hitters out there. My criteria is now that the form has to be very easy to learn, not take up more than one half hour to do, and it has to produce very powerful benefits. Pangu Shengong and Gift of the Tao are at the top of my list. Grandmaster Doo Wai lineage has powerful methods but there are tons of them to learn and many levels to achieve. The most time consuming chi kung that you could ever imagine. But powerful and wonderful to experience. Falun Gong is probably the best of the best since it generates chi 24/7 but it takes about 2 hrs a day to do.

In further response to Orethecookie. You mentioned Jim Nance of Spring Forest Chi Kung. I know of him as we do Spring Forest daily at my work place. When he states since everything is energy, then all things should be possible. What the true Masters knew is that there are different laws of Nature at work at different levels of consciousness. At the deep level of stillness of the mind that the Vedas in India call Ritam Bhara Pragya, just thinking the name of an object automatically manifests that object in your consciousness. At this level, thoughts are things. That is how palaces, etc. were created during India's golden age. But without this knowledge, and there is a specific method of how to get to this level, people for ages have tried to improve themselves and the world just using the surface level of the mind where thoughts are not that powerful. We have to function from the Tao to bring the world back into balance. Physicists call this state the vacuum state, and one of the qualities of the vacuum state is that it is the field of all possibilities. So that brings us back to the Tao Te Ching" "Tao is the Mother of 10,000 things." Tao is the source of creation so we need to function from that level of consciousness. That is the goal of all seekers. That is what brings Heaven to Earth. That is what balances the individual, and a world filled with balanced individuals is a world in balance, harmony. And chi kung certainly is all about balancing to unite Heaven with Earth within ourselves, the microcosm of the macrocosm.

Exactly Sifu Terry! Right to the point. The Still point that is. I could not resist the pun but it is true. The still point is when thoughts are transcended and we are in the Absolute, the vacuum state of consciousness from which all creation springs. In the Tao Te Ching, "the Mother of 10,000 things." And the energy that the masters teach whether it is chi or kundalini is what goes into the brain and heals mind and body and awakens the spiritual centers so that people awaken to authentic Self without having to be functioning from the ego. Eventually there is the sense, not mere mood making from intellectual understanding, but the actual consciousness of not being separate, but One with all and then we start behaving like that and the world changes as each individual changes. None of this happens without chi/energy reaching the brain. Some systems call this kundalini. The result, the still point, the Oneness, I think of as Tao. I cannot read the Tao Te Ching or any Taoist related book without hearing the teachings of the current avatar echoed. That is why it is so blessed to be alive at this time. The secret teachings are now mostly public. Now it is up to each individual to accept and apply the chi that is being offered on such a grand scale this time around. And since the mind and body are intimately connected, it is imperative to balance the health issues in order to foster the spiritual channels. And that is where I see the value of chi kung. I know of one man in Florida who had the good fortune of being a student when he was a teen in Los Angeles of Grandmaster Lew K. Share who taught him chi kung. The man is now in his 60's and is Awakened from a different system yet every Wednesday night he still has a class doing the chi kung of the Grandmaster. So chi kung is for the unawakened on the path and also for those who have reached the goal. My own experience is that chi kung is compelling, you just want to do it, but I have yet to figure out intellectually why this is so. Sifu Terry, can you offer some insight about this? When I did yoga as part of my TM meditation every day for over 30 years I never really enjoyed the yoga postures and had to make myself do the asanas. But doing chi kung is something I want to do and resent having to go to work instead of being able to do more chi kung during the day. Chi kung makes itself a priority.

I was a warrior monk at a temple in China in the 1500's and when in the 1970's I saw my first episode of Kung Fu tv series I had dejavu experience. I sought enlightenment via Transcendental Meditation daily for 40 yrs and realized that was not going to get me to the goal of enlilghtenment. I started a new job 7 yrs ago where the mental health facility taught a chi kung group. I did it once and it grabbed me. Because of my love at first sight with chi kung I eventually began reading books about Taoism while dropping at least 12 different styles of chi kung until I stumbled upon the higher level forms of chi kung.

I think the healing of the earth via human beings has to be attempted by those who function from the quantum physics level of the quantum level of Pure Consciousness, the vacuum state, the Still point, or in my opinion, the Tao. The earth is not going to heal until the source of stress, unawakened, stress producing human beings radiating stress, which imbalances Nature, become awakened. And an avatar has a plan in place so we can all wait and watch. Just my take on this from the teachings I have been exposed to.

To Pitisukha, A garden hose that has bends in it will not have the force of flow of water as strongly as a hose without kinks in it. There are many factors determining how individuals sense subtle energies. One of which is the work/gong that was done in prior lifetimes. DNA, lifestyle, stress, environment, etc. This is what I meant. I am not referring to benefits from chi kung. I am referring to the actual sensations going on during the practice. In other words, the current condition of the nervous system determines what kind of experiences one will have during the practice of chi kung. During an experimental course with a well know spiritual master methods were used which temporarily somehow bypassed or temporarily got thru the blocks of stress in the nervous system and I went into an Awakened state of higher consciousness for awhile. But this same powerful method of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras never again worked even after more than 30 yrs of daily practice. This is just my opinion and one of my experiences while on the path.

Reading the above great experiences makes me go back to my own conclusion that it is not just the style of chi kung that one does, a big part of the kind of results one gets is due to who is doing the method. Meaning some people have less energy blocks than others and then the methods work as they are supposed to. Other people do the same chi kung method and get not much. You just never know.

So many people base their decision on how powerful the chi is when they try a chi kung method. But the benefits and what each method is doing can be intangible to our senses because there are different levels of chi. So I test each method I am interested in by having my medical clairvoyant literally see in his consciousness what the method will do for me. All he needs is the name of a method to be able to tune in. He has saved me so much time not falling for hype. Over the past 7 years of research and practice with him he has found the most beneficial chi kung to be Falun Dafa, All of the styles under the Grandmaster Doo Wai lineage such as Flying Phoenix Celestial Chi Kung for Health, and Sunn Yee Gong, plus the Doo Wai advanced dvds sold by Dan LA Rochelle of White Tiger Kung Fu. His latest testing is for Pangu Mystical Qigong by Master Ou. I have dropped all other methods to do this one now because it only takes 20 minutes to do and opens the 3 most vital energy channels, nadis, in Ayurvedic terms, of the 72,000 nadis that we have. It is also the simplest qigong method to learn but tested as very powerful and the chi can be felt strongly in your hands the very first time you learn it. It requires a direct energy transmission from the Master as part of the initiation and it can be done using dvd course, he sends it long distance. The other methods I have done take too long to do. At age 66 I don't have time to shop around for the most powerful method via trial and error which is why I use my trusted clairvoyant since 1998. By the way, he found that Falun Dafa opens ALL of the nadis, just as that Master claims in his lecture and book! But the method takes a few hours to do each day. May the chi flow and the kundalini rise

I phoned Wu's office asking if they have dvd on the 9 Palaces. They wrote back that they have video tapes of his seminar teaching the method for $530. This was the best laugh I have had all day during this severe snow storm in south central PA. Well, time for me to practice Pangu Mystical Shengong. My aunt is 93 now and I recall she smoked about 3 packs of cigarettes and drank tons of coffee. I will see if can make a video of that method which has served her well and then market it.

Today I called Wu's office asking if they have a dvd on 9 Palaces yet and all I got was a sales pitch and follow up email pitch to come to the next workshop in L.A. Very rude indeed of them. I will stick with simple, easy to learn 20 minute powerful Pangu Mystical Qigong which I just started. If Wu starts with 45 minute of warmups before the actual 9 Palaces, then that is not for me. At some other point I did inquire about a DVD and they offered to sell me a DVD of the 9 Palaces workshop for the cost of live workshop, $495! I realized the cost of living is very costly L.A. but wow!

I am originally from Chicago, Albany Park neighborhood and then Skokie. That seems so far from my inner cultivation lifestyle that I adopted 40 yrs ago after leaving Chicago when my education was complete. Anyway, I learned Pangu Shengu from their correspondence course which consists of a manual, DVD lecture/instruction and the CD of Master Ou which leads you thru the complete practice so you do not even have to count for yourself or even memorize the password. It is great. He sends the initiation energy to you the first time you do the form. My medical clairvoyant can see the effects of anything, energy work, supplement, you name it, just by knowing the name of it. He said this is a very powerful system, opening up the 3 main channels in the Vedic system of India which result in Kundalini rising and this is the energy that results in healing the body. He has no idea what the form looks like so it is very interesting that we rotate the hands on the 2 channels off of our center line and then the center of the chest. These are where the ancient drawings of the 3 main nadis of the Vedic system reside. Very similar to Microcosmic Orbit path but he said Pangu is not the same as MCO.

Beware when anyone takes someone else's teaching and "modifies" it. Pangu Shengong needs initiation qi transmitted by Master Ou or any of his trained teachers for it to work as it was intended to work. Pay the fee to get the course the way it is meant to be taught. Everything about Pangu Shengong is simple except for the benefits, they are profound.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi used to teach us that "the mind always goes to a field of greater charm." This is the souce of all desire. Not to eradicate natural desire but to reach fulfillment of desires and the only thing that can fulfill desires according to the Vedas is Pure Consciousness. Transcending thoughts and feelings and being with Pure Awarenss. I have found degrees of this inner fulfillment from TM, but never from chi kung. I do chi kung for health and spiritual reasons. So I agree with some of the above posts which believe that the chasing of systems, which I also am guilty of doing, is due to something missing inside. I don't seek more food after a satisfying meal. So when I become obsessed with finding the perfect chi kung mehtod for myself, I realize that my meditation for whatever reason is not taking me deep enough. And I have been in that state of mind for the past 3 years. Similar to the drug user chasing the high.

I have done at least 12 different chi kung styles during the past seven years, Flying Phoenix and Sunn Yee Gong from Grandmaster Doo Wai family lineage yielded the most chi, as did Falun Gong. Unfortunately, all of those methods require hours per day to get all of that chi. And there are never ending levels/DVDS with Flying Phoenix and Sunn Yee Gong with tons of postures to do. So they are just not practical if one is employed and also has some other interests in life. I recently was told that Pangu Shengong/Pangu Mystical Qigong takes just 20 minutes, is easy to learn but has the most powerful experience of chi that some people have experienced compared to other styles. It takes just one hour to learn. So I am now learning Pangu Mystical Qigong as my main practice. Practical and poweful with many healing benefits claimed. I watched the instruction lecture and form teaching and I am ready to start it. Just a great investment of low cost and high yield of health and spiritual benefits from some powerful chi with its universal source via sun and moon energy.

This is to Lloyd, Fu-Dog, I was just looking at the SYG blog and on July 31 you asked why FP breath percentages are no longer than 5. I have a GMDW meditation that predates FP but is still from his family lineage and it has 8 breath percentages. Doing that many is a meditation in itself! Steve

Sifu Garry, I want to make sure I am doing the SYG level 2 standing meds correctly. I have been doing all of the meds in succession but only using the breathing sequence at the start of doing the first posture, then doing the other postures and when done with the last posture I end with 3 breaths. Correct or not correct? In other words, if I am doing all of the standing postures in a row at one session, I do not need to do the breathing sequence all over again for each of the meds/ And on the SYG level 1 sitting meds during the one looking like Monk Gazing at the Moon you do not have your hands at eye level, they are lower, closer to the mouth, is this correct? Because it seems as in Flying Phoenix that the hands should be at eye level?

I will not participate in the poetry contest due to not having enough right brain hemisphere working.

The speed is handled by the counting of the breath to 10 for the percentages. The depth of the breathing comes to me from being relaxed instead of rushed when I do the 3 breaths before the breathing sequence. At times I catch myself rushing the breathing to get to the posture and thus I am not relaxed and the breathing then is not slow and deep.