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Any one know if there is any benefit in circular rubbing(counterclockwise and clockwise) of the dan tien 300 times each every day?

I was reading it somewhere.

I've been a big fan of MMA for a long time and just recently started delving into the idea of Qi and after thorough research...its definitely real. And what further impresses me is things like Iron Shirt. What if UFC fighters started training in this area...they'd have unstoppable bodies!

Discuss it

Is Mantak Chia any good for iron shirt? I dont know where else to go. I have some instructors in my area but those are more on the healing side they teach a small bit of nei gong. And obviously no one on amazon has a book on iron shirt. And lastly is there a such thing as iron pants? I want to be able to take leg kicks to the outside and inside thighs without having to check them.

Are there equivalents to Mo Pai? Oh believe me there are equivalents. All of these powerful masters are in hiding in plain sight, and for good reason. I've been privileged enough to train under one, and from his personal words, he will never be eager to show off what he has.

Its not about showing off...its about building yourself up and self improvement.

This man would rather hide from the media and from such amounts of attention because he's learned in the past that once you expose yourself all kinds of nutso's come out from the waterworks.

 

The reason why masters with such large amounts of powerful qi are not keen to show forth what they're capable of is because once it gets out, it attracts such a large amount of crazy ass people - power hungry crazy ass nutjobs who think that they're going to be the next sith lord, world messiah or demigod martial artist.

Here you are attacking everyone who has curiousity to learn something new and interesting. Who are you to judge and what gives you the right to judge someone else's motivations for wanting to learn the way?

A well known member just private messaged me on here, I wont say his name telling me that the same old card is used over and over by people on this forum who think they are better or more advanced in their discipline and tell others "Your not ready to learn" or "You don't deserve to learn it" or "You lack to discipline to learn it". If you think the people that want to learn Mo Pai have an ego issue with wanting power, I can only imagine what some of you self-proclaimed masters think. You are acting no different than a power hungry person who wants power by trying to control and deter people from learning what they want.

who think that they're going to be the next sith lord, world messiah or demigod martial artist.

I'll play devil's advocate...There are many black arts on this world not related to qigong in the supernatural realm for which people have strange and unusual powers. Are some of them evil...oh yes...do they come out in public? No they dont. So your first assumption of trying to group power hungry people, evil people, and showing off all in one batch is ignorant.

There are people who want this power to make the money or want this power to do bad...but you know what...the universe doesn't discriminate on motive alone. There are many people out there that practice white magic and black magic for their own purpose. If the universe or mo pai truly discriminated against good vs bad intention then there wouldn't be an ounce of bad in this world. Its Yin Yang...

You can see why Mo Pai attracts such a large number of people who are hungry for nothing but power like the OP. Such a large number people who think of the money fame and the power. People who want to be more "special" than all the rest of us.

The reason why people choose a school like mo pai or similar to mo pai is because it has a lot of promise for self advancement of the individual. Its human nature to see evidence in front of your eyes and go with that evidence. You try to lump everyone into one category and are trying to say "You dont deserve it because you think your too special".

The funny thing is that none of these systems work that way. It is karma which is the deciding factor. Most people do not possess the innate amount of talent to make progress. Check Magus of Java - you will see that John's old master saw his karma - that he had the "gift". Not even if the full system was laid bare before you would you be guaranteed of any progress. People like John are one in a million. If you look at Jim's group of mo pai aspirants which numbers in the hundreds, you'd be hard pressed to find a handful who are past level 1. Many have been practicing a number of years and just given up. What does this tell you?

I can tell your motivations here are trying to deter aspirants from training even if they had the manual in front of them. Its like saying Mr X is a world class Muay Thai fighter and world champion...and now there are 100's of fighters training, but Mr X is 1 in a billion. And these other 100's of fighters only make it to level 1. What you fail to see is...its not about trying to be like Mr. X. Its trying to strive for the most you can give. With your negative thinking you will never be your true potential. I'd rather be a muay thai fighter and be level 1 than never making it.

And lastly I hate to make it so obvious to everyone here but if your reading this don't try to justify your intentions on why your training in an art to seek approval for people here...Stop trying to show that you have good intentions...because you will get guys like this person here thinking he knows more because hes trained in QiGong for many years.

What are you looking for?

 

If you are looking for enlightenment or just spiritual progress from my own perspective just from the statistics you are better off looking at Tibetan Buddhism as there are a large number of lineages which have consistently produced spiritually advanced students over many years, so the proof is in the ability to transmit the teachings consistently from generation to generation. Whereas I am not aware of any teachings even available from Mo Pai or aware of it's ability to transmit the teachings.

 

Jim McMillan said pretty much the same thing you are better off studying towards learning the Six Yogas Of Naropa and it will bring as much or more than Mo Pai, the path was completely systemised by Lama Tsongkhapa in the fifteenth century to be able to follow in a uncomplicated linear way with the early stages available to anyone so you don't have many of the barriers in your way which Mo Pai puts up.

My path isn't enlightenment its really to cultivate yin and yang and mix and match with that energy. Do you feel the six yogas of naropa can help with that? I also dont want to get into religion of buddhism so I hope that 6 yogas will not do that to me. Since I dont want to convert or anything like that. Also is there a good book out there that can break down these stages and teach it all correctly?

You seek power, not spiritual evolution; this is your first mistake. Second, you make the false assumption that mo pai has more potential than any other practice.

1. Maybe at the deepest level I do seek power. But its not to harm nor help anyone. For me these skills are a benchmark to let me know I'm on the right path and getting the most of my training. I'd rather NOT attain any special abilities and waste a ton of time meditating and getting nothing out of it if I was on the right path that can help me develop myself.

2. This assumption was based on a conversation I had with Jim McMillian. His opinion was that these other systems are too invested in obtaining Yang Energy.

Such good advice.

 

Looking for more Yang will only mean that eventually you will be forced into more Yin, through injury or whatever.

 

Balance is everything. If you don't seek it out, it will seek you out.

I agree...but my problem is I dont know the easiest way to harness yin...

I do breathing meditation and vary my styles with 1. Push stomach in as you breath in and push stomach out and you exhale 2. Push stomach out as you breath in and push stomach in and you breath out.

Is meditation all yin energy?

 

I also can vouch that there are still priests from Shaolin who can still fly

Can you go further into this?

Here's another target. Sometimes its good to move in the opposite direction of your strength.(!) You're very yang; doing hard style martial arts, looking for intense chi gung. Maybe go yin. Gentle yoga, slow tai chi, sitting zazen, or a healing gi gung like Stillness-Motion.

 

Why? Because it'll keep you in balance, make you more rounded and complete. Sometimes the hardest thing is to slow down, but its essential. You're already running and fighting; perfect your sitting and breathing. It'll help you. Then keep your eyes open for a chance to learn from a highly qualified teacher.

 

As you wait (years?), you'll learn and be worthy of the teaching.

Keep your yang, learn the yin.

 

 

 

my two cents

I agree I do need more yin and would really like to know all ways to really cultivate it.

I just have a hard time grasping the sad fact after doing countless hours of my own research to find that mopai is the most powerful system out of all qigong arts. It almost like saying Muay Thai is better than Karate.

Now we all know in the latter case of Muay Thai vs Karate, the smart answer is, "it depends on the practioner" so why can't the same be said about Mopai nei kung vs other qigong systems? You can't say it depends on the practioner because nei kung takes it to a whole new level that you can NEVER NEVER achieve with other qigong systems. The most you get out of them is healing and maybe some energy bubble deflection of your students.

But its hard to believe because basically your tellng me that out of thousands of years of chineese qigong systems developing that Mo Pai Nei Kung has surpassed them in leaps and bounds. A analogy here would be flying cars(mo pai) and cars on the road(all other qigong). There has to be an equivalent out there and I want to know in your opinion what that equivalent is and if I can buy books to learn it. I read an excerpt of 4 levels similar to mopai and someone else said there was a lot of content missing. So I'm not going to go by that excerpt. But I am willing to learn on my own without a master even if it means the death of me or my soul. I dont care.

I have a lot of different motives. I train in a lot of hard martial arts. But a true warrior is not complete without the internal work. And a true warrior is not complete without true training from a system that is mo pai. I hate to knock other systems but why train in a system that only knows how to do one thing(heal) vs a system with a wide array of arsenel. I'm not here to help anyone or hurt anyone, thats my yin and yang. I dont care if I can't develop pyrokinesis telekinesis or any of that but what satisfies me more is knowing that I was on the right path of doing so as opposed to being on a qigong path of wasting my whole life not getting any benefit except healing.

I still dont understand either of your replies guys. I am asking a question. I am no expert here.

This is a question I am asking...

Does QiGong work against strangers like how it does in this youtube video?

I want to know for real...I've done my own research and have read about 2nd hand stories about QiGong masters pushing away attackers without a single touch, you know what I'm talking about because all those videos are all over youtube. Even my own asian friend told me of a story where his grandfather and father sparred and the father could never touch the grandfather. But the grandfather never told him how to attain this power.

The only conclusions that I could come to from doing all this research is that yes this energy is real but you have to have some sort of rapport or connection with the person your are using it against in order for it to work. So for example, once I mastered it, I could use it against my friend, family member, coworker because they all know me, are close to me, or have some form of link to me. But if you put me up against Joe Schmo off teh street who doesn't know me, then he would not be affected by my QiGong energy. Tell me if this is true or not? Give me your take.

This is my introduction hello...

When can I start posting in the general discussion area?