Chanwu

I never write as if I have THE truth, as the saying goes - "there's as many truths as there are people", I am extremely flexible with my beliefs and views. I don't take offense if you would make opposite claims, it is your right to do so.

 

I have aired my feelings about it all. I have read through countless pages from one very active forum participant in particular, one who goes through great lengths to make himself heard and his views heard. This is a direct response to the very hardlined approach this man has.

 

I believe they have given in to their ego, this is my view, and this is not "the old way" to do things. The "Old way" isn't a secret one, it's one that is earned, not through who can afford it, but through dedication.

 

That is my view and all I wanted with this post is to get out both sides of the coin, on the net.

When you mention acid, I have a friend that took acid a few times, he described that he once had a full flashback and that it was terrible because he wasn't prepared. Acid will store in your fatty tissues and can be released and you will get a "flashback".

 

Could this be it? I just thought about it as you mentioned it feeling like a bad acid trip...

Their claims? If the teachings are good or not? I believe they have a lot to teach, but their approach raise many concerns regarding me, I have described these above.

 

Anyone who wants to reach these levels, anyone seeking enlightenment need only to relax, concentrate/meditate and breathe correctly.

 

I have a friend who has meditated 6 years, he's a Christian but he believes he can get closer to god by meditation. He is describing very high level (key) experiences only by doing this for one hour each day for 6 years. Don't for one second believe that this isn't a natural process that you can undertake anytime you wish, you just need dedication and to enjoy every minute of your time in meditation.

 

You don't need to spend all your savings for this, I want that to be perfectly clear.

 

 

 

Chanwu,

 

Point taken. I am always pro "truth". We are all, I think, searching for "truth" whatever that may be.

I guess you just want people to think about it before they join.

Sunshine has a point too. What problems do you have with their claims? what claims do they make?

I understand, Wudangspirit, but I believe my post is important to help people find their way, and take other things into consideration, other than the words from the people involved in "traditionaltao" as they are biased.

 

It's not meant for "Bashing". I don't believe I will "win" an argument - I am posting so that people who are thinking about joining them, think one extra time and consider my perspective. Surely, truth is subjective, I don't believe anyone in "traditionaltao" is teaching to hurt others.

 

This post will naturally not be pleasant for this group, but they are making a lot of claims that I cannot, and will not, just stand by and watch without replying.

 

As I said, I have read a lot on this forum before posting here, and I have done my research and gotten MY view of things.

 

Take my subjective advice and research as you will, I do raise valid concerns and I know that this will affect people who are thinking of joining this group.

Hello Harry, thanks for the reply.

 

I agree with you. My post is a counter-weight on lady justice's scales of balance.

 

I believe it's a needed post and the points and concerns needed to be raised.

 

Good luck with your practise!

A good way is the meditation on a hollow body, or body of light and to "breathe out blockages and negative energy".

 

Meditate on your body getting filled with light, your body becomes hollow so that it only consists of light. Next vizualise your skin becomming light too, and do this until the discomfort is gone.

 

You can also breathe in deeply with your stomache in through one nostril and breathe out negative energy in the other. As you breathe in, visualize all the strength of your highest spiritual source enter you and cleanse you, and when you breathe out through the other nostril you visualize all negative energy leaving you.

 

Breathe in as deep and as slow as you can, preferably 2-3 breaths a minute.

 

Repeat for days or even weeks until discomfort goes away.

Dear tao bums,

 

Sorry for maybe starting a flame war the first thing I do but I believe this is of utmost importance. It is the reason why I joined, to be able to post about the things I have read here that I believe should be straightened out once and for all.

 

There's a relatively new movement around, the people in it make a lot of claims. In almost every post I have seen claims that they are the most authentic, the "only way", that they are following the "old style" where secrecy is part of that style, and where sharing means "I share the very basics that aren't even needed, with you, for 3000 USD, in a year you will have to spend 3000 more to get more basics that you don't need". All while implying this system is what gives the best results and that "you need this".

 

I have been a member in their forum, quietly observing what's happening.

 

Soon my membership there is ended because they will now charge 250 USD to allow you to even be in the forum as a spectator. All you can do as a spectator is to get news updates regarding training.

 

All this is done in the light of "we are just trying to keep the unserious people out".

 

Have you seen the double morals of a televangelist? They have fortresses and private jetplanes etc, all in the "name of the lord". It all reminds me of this very thing.

 

 

They do have very nice tactics - I have seen several people banned for only speaking their mind and raising perfectly same questions. Why? Well, everytime someone is a money-threat to them, they get kicked out immediately.

 

The tactics? Oh how can I put them all down from just my memory....

 

-If you teach others you will hurt people and get bad karma. We have immortals on our side (we'll see how immortal they are in 50-70 years) that will frown upon you if you don't follow "our ways".

 

-The system you practise now will give you kidney problems at best, or even kill you.

 

-The system you practise now doesn't give you anything, perhaps it's even dangerous.

 

-If you don't have a real teacher to give you an initiation you can forget about it all. (Nonsense, who initiated the first ones from the beginning? It's like reiki - who needs initiation to be able to heal? NO ONE). Surely a healer can help with blockages and such, but that's all there is to "initiation".

 

-A representative of this group will soon post in this thread stating that I am making a fool out of myself, that I am endangering the relationship between the west and the east - just to make all the students worried that they might get all the teachings and become enlightened or get super immortal powers. This is the worst tactic of them all, because it turns people against eachother because of EGO. This is not only evil, it is NEFARIOUS.

 

-The china trip is 7200$ but what David didn't tell some of the students is that they needed to pay even more to get initiation/healing/treatment from D's alleged master in China, otherwise the practise would not be as useful or maybe even "useless". (This involves killing big animals to steal their life force/chi).

 

-In the forum they go about the teachings as "it's now or never" "buy it now or the prices may go up soon" "take the deal now as Dr D has offered to teach this now but may not later". It's like a warehouse with special-ultra-limited-offers, buy now while you still can!

 

 

Now, do this system have something to teach? Sure it does, but it's far from secret and exclusive knowledge.

 

And you know what the best part is? Groups will form where people send money to one person and they share within the group. Wouldn't you say this is karma in a direct way? Funny how it works, isn't it?

 

Anyways, I wish D.V. would see what he's really doing here. He is not playing with respect to the old ways, the old ways were never meant to be this prostituted, nor secret like they all claim. In fact, this should be more of a open and welcomming community, which of course carefully screen their students to help them with their progress. It's not about being in the center of things and being "authorities" of who gets to teach and where only rich people can afford the teachings. This is what they have reduced theh teachings to and it is NOT honorable in the "old ways" as they so proudly say all the time.

 

This is another thing - how can David help his students with energy blockages and such that they say may arise from practise? He lives in China. The student/master relationship is one of strong bonds and friendship - and as he's the only representative that will teach these methods (according to them) - how can he have time to offer help to his students and screen their progress? No, you will have to pay 3000 USD in order to get to the next course and there he may be able to work with you.

 

Of course, being the only with authority to teach this, as D claims, is only a way to make sure no one makes the big bucks out of this teaching. It's not about helping others to make the world a better place, even if this behaviour is hidden with fancy words and xing pling plong fang gong jong-techniques to hide what's really going on.

 

Do I dislike them? No. They have given into their egoistic side, it happens to the best of us. We should always be aware of this side of ourselves, the side that wants authority, power, admiration, etc. If we don't, these aspects that we all have will take over. Make no mistake about it. Even a high level practioner has to beware of this, no matter what level.

 

Of course, as I pointed out, this post will not be seen for what it is - one that is made from a pure intention of good will for each and everyone. I have a lot of respect for the masters and schools in china. But spirituality is altruistic in nature, not for the rich only. Ever heard of the stories of the great masters that started out very poor but still became one of the most powerful people around?

 

My dear dear friends, you are all part of god and we are all in this together. Everyone who does not lead astray and trust that their own path will lead them to liberation will rely on their own confidence that this can be achieved by anyone who has the right determination and dedication. You don't need to spend 50000$ to realize this, but it's hard to be confident at times. This leads to your mind seeking easier and "more correct" ways. There are no easy ways, dedication is what pays off. Start meditation today, learn how to breath, take it easy and don't strain your legs too much, stretch, read up on subjects, find an altruistic teacher. There's many books around that describe high level practises (Six yogas of naropa, clear light of bliss, Mahamudra, etc). You have resources around you, realize that and make good use of them. Don't look at people who say "our way is the only way" - when you meet such people, run as fast as you can!

 

Of course, the representative will point out that I am wrong in this, but anyone who has seen both his and the posts from this group will know what I am talking about. The slandering of all the others paths and then the double sided saying that the people who don't agree are making the situation between east and west more tense, when in fact they themselves are going about these teachings in a very disrespectful way - not only for slandering and infecting the community (which they say they want to avoid), but for prostituting these teachings to an insane degree.

 

 

Another funny thing is that both the "Xing Shen Zhuang" instructor in Denmark and in Sweden also teach "Healing tao", when this system is so heavily bashed. Oh yes, I have done my research.

 

 

Of course the group I am talking about is the "http://www.traditionaltao.com/" group.

 

 

 

 

Good resources for your consideration (not personally sponsoring these but I want to share resources):

http://www.robertpeng.com/robert_peng.html (also "the real deal")

http://www.chikung-unlimited.com/Chakra-Meditation.html (good and cheap courses, looks like a very altruistic and good-willed teacher).

http://www.wudangtao.com/store/product.cgi/57/Videos

http://www.kunlunbliss.com/books.html

http://www.universal-tao.com/article/exercises.html

http://www.alchemylab.com/golden_flower.htm (this I find important and enlightening)

 

 

There's much more of course, it is my hope that this post will reach out to as many as possible because I believe what is being done is against the spirit of the old teachings and honorable ways.

 

Of course I will be bashed, threatened, etc... but this post is because I do love you all, and I do want everyone to experience what a wonderful world we live in, full of mysteries to discover.

 

 

Thanks for reading,

Chanwu

 

Keys: Traditional tao, Xing Shen Zhuang, Sheng Zheng Gong, Foundation Training Forum

Thank you!

Hello all,

 

Friendly guy here, interested in practical taoism, meditating every day and believe that everything we learn should be shared so that we can leave a positive imprint in this world.

 

Hope to be a full member in this interesting forum, has been reading a lot without being registered and now I want to participate in the discussions here.

 

Regards,

Chanwu