Chanwu

Oh, this is not because I have been excluded, I never intended to join, nor did I do more than just listen to the conversations on the foundation forum. This training is far from exclusive, anyone who wish to attend the courses can go - do they seem to be selective to you? They are not. The only thing that makes it exclusive is the money involved, and the prices above are just for the courses, you need someplace to live and something to eat while there too. And flight tickets. You're in for a lot of spending. I feel that a lot of people will be mislead by all this and believe this is their only shot at a deeper spiritual life - it's right in front of everyone to pick up and start experiencing. I am afraid that many will live on noodles for 2 years to spend hard earned money on something they would eventually attain with dedication, anyways. I don't mention full names or anything here because I don't want this to become directed to someone in particular. I think the approach needs to change a bit, but hey - who am I to judge someone for how they do BUSINESS? According to a man in the forum, he said "I don't care about the cost, apparently _business_ is good. I am only happy this is available to us through the masters." or something like that. Yes, it's a business. When you are working with spiritual matters and call yourself a "master" or "teacher" there is a very important factor: you can BE a teacher, as in it's not your profession, you ARE a teacher, or you can WORK as one, and make it your JOB. It's a different thing. And of course, again, this is my view of things. I invite you to think otherwise - my intention here is to raise a little flag of warning as to what people are in for and that, in my experience, it is not needed at all because all it takes is dedication on your part. Meditate an hour every day, breathe deep abdominal breathing, develop concentration/focus/blankness of mind and things will come to you, you will change on a very deep level, and after a couple of years even more so. If you want to spend 10000 dollars to learn these basics you are of course free to do so :-) Oh here's another good resource, and be sure to check the ones I provided above if you are looking for more knowledge: http://www.kundaliniawakeningprocess.com/ I found it in the foundation forum - the guy got banned for simply asking questions regarding the approach of the group and the money involved, he's one of the teachers there. Worth checking out imo.

I never write as if I have THE truth, as the saying goes - "there's as many truths as there are people", I am extremely flexible with my beliefs and views. I don't take offense if you would make opposite claims, it is your right to do so. I have aired my feelings about it all. I have read through countless pages from one very active forum participant in particular, one who goes through great lengths to make himself heard and his views heard. This is a direct response to the very hardlined approach this man has. I believe they have given in to their ego, this is my view, and this is not "the old way" to do things. The "Old way" isn't a secret one, it's one that is earned, not through who can afford it, but through dedication. That is my view and all I wanted with this post is to get out both sides of the coin, on the net.

When you mention acid, I have a friend that took acid a few times, he described that he once had a full flashback and that it was terrible because he wasn't prepared. Acid will store in your fatty tissues and can be released and you will get a "flashback". Could this be it? I just thought about it as you mentioned it feeling like a bad acid trip...

Their claims? If the teachings are good or not? I believe they have a lot to teach, but their approach raise many concerns regarding me, I have described these above. Anyone who wants to reach these levels, anyone seeking enlightenment need only to relax, concentrate/meditate and breathe correctly. I have a friend who has meditated 6 years, he's a Christian but he believes he can get closer to god by meditation. He is describing very high level (key) experiences only by doing this for one hour each day for 6 years. Don't for one second believe that this isn't a natural process that you can undertake anytime you wish, you just need dedication and to enjoy every minute of your time in meditation. You don't need to spend all your savings for this, I want that to be perfectly clear.

I understand, Wudangspirit, but I believe my post is important to help people find their way, and take other things into consideration, other than the words from the people involved in "traditionaltao" as they are biased. It's not meant for "Bashing". I don't believe I will "win" an argument - I am posting so that people who are thinking about joining them, think one extra time and consider my perspective. Surely, truth is subjective, I don't believe anyone in "traditionaltao" is teaching to hurt others. This post will naturally not be pleasant for this group, but they are making a lot of claims that I cannot, and will not, just stand by and watch without replying. As I said, I have read a lot on this forum before posting here, and I have done my research and gotten MY view of things. Take my subjective advice and research as you will, I do raise valid concerns and I know that this will affect people who are thinking of joining this group.

Hello all, Friendly guy here, interested in practical taoism, meditating every day and believe that everything we learn should be shared so that we can leave a positive imprint in this world. Hope to be a full member in this interesting forum, has been reading a lot without being registered and now I want to participate in the discussions here. Regards, Chanwu

Hello Harry, thanks for the reply. I agree with you. My post is a counter-weight on lady justice's scales of balance. I believe it's a needed post and the points and concerns needed to be raised. Good luck with your practise!

A good way is the meditation on a hollow body, or body of light and to "breathe out blockages and negative energy". Meditate on your body getting filled with light, your body becomes hollow so that it only consists of light. Next vizualise your skin becomming light too, and do this until the discomfort is gone. You can also breathe in deeply with your stomache in through one nostril and breathe out negative energy in the other. As you breathe in, visualize all the strength of your highest spiritual source enter you and cleanse you, and when you breathe out through the other nostril you visualize all negative energy leaving you. Breathe in as deep and as slow as you can, preferably 2-3 breaths a minute. Repeat for days or even weeks until discomfort goes away.

Thank you!