Chanwu

Control of the mind leads to the forming of the embryo, it is only meant as an allegoric meaning if you ask me. You plant a seed of true consciousness within you, true being, true spirit. If you can hear your breath you are breathing irregulary. Use the mind to slow down breathing. If your mind is racing, rest your mind on the breathing. Breath is controlled by mind, mind is in the breathing, thus you reach stability with this technique. Use your inner seeing and hearing. See the formless, hear the soundless. Listen to the soundless sound of your breath entering your body. See the shapeless void within yourself. You should feel joy and bliss, not tired and drained. Should thoughts arise you just investigate them - where does your thought come from? "Who said that"? Where did it stop? And when you realize this, then you have clear seeing. You cannot grasp it, so now you know the nature of it. You cannot grasp mind. Your practise in the beginning will be full of thoughts, but just passively watch them come and go. Be an observer. Don't follow them - and beware of them taking control. One thought may lead to a hundred others bring triggered. Observe them, let them go. This is dual cultivation. Beware of your ego, it has a lot of expectation and fixates itself to certain experiences and emotions. Whenever you do this you lock yourself at a certain level and don't get further until you release. Don't ignore the ego, turning your back of it and ignoring it leads to it taking control. Acknowledge it and take control of it. Learning about the ego is a very important lesson. It wants great experiences, admiration for your spiritual attainment etc. So when you experience complete bliss during a meditation it will try to hold on to it, get more of it, and when you meditate it will try to produce it again. This is wrong, only passive observation is what brings you further. Observation is not analyzing or anything, it is just being. Analyzing means thinking. Experiences come naturally, they aren't attained through effort, putting effort into attaining some specific experience will only make it harder or impossible to reach. Or only induce an illusion of it. Dual cultivation, the embryo, the germinal vesicle, crystallizing of breath into spirit etc, all such hard to grasp words tends to lead you away into thinking it's too hard to achieve. And it makes it harder to understand the basic concepts of it. It also locks your ego into trying to actively create something within your body, which is wrong. It's only allegorical. You will plant the seed within you by meditating correctly. It is also important to note that you're not trying to escape this world, but to become more aware of it and without ego. Meditation is a tool to remove the filter that filters everything you call "real". It interprets, it highlights stuff your ego wants, it needs, it judges. When you are liberated from this you will experience true joy. Release from negative emotions. When you have control of your consciousness, you control energy. Only when you can meditate can you control energy without moving. Meditating will eventually give you experiences of clear light, being enveloped in comforting warmth, etc. People will have different experiences of this. It will eventually begin to affect your waking consciousness too, filling you with peace and calmness. You can handle all situations without losing your center. You know your ego too well, you know your true being too well, to let problems bother you. That is not to say you are indifferent towards others and towards problems, you just don't let things affect you negatively because you know this is the illusion of the ego. This is the basic foundation, the most important foundation of meditation. Yes, this is all from the secret of the golden flower and perhaps with a little interpretation from me. Regards, Chanwu

Don't know why you started speaking about vegetarianism here... but meat doesn't give testosteron (then meat would be classified as a drug/dope, like anabola) and there's not so many calories in it usually, depends on type of meat of course. Your testicles produce testosteron (from cholesterol if I am not mistaken).

Marrying on the ground of an embassy's soil most likely will not make you an American. John McCain, a candidate for US predidency, may be declared illegible for election because he was born on a military base in another country. I have had stories about having a baby above US soil, in an airplane that is... that it allegedly gives you citizenship. I haven't gotten this confirmed though but it may explain why the us airplane companies won't allow pregnant women aboard, if they have 2 months or less until they deliver.

So you admit it, he is a reptilian? OH MY GOD RUN AWAY.... If we chop off his tail, will it grow back, will it will it???

Is this for real... do people actually fall for this nonsense... Maybe the V series used REAL REPTILIAN ACTORS! Oh my...

Chi is very easy to feel for me in a fully awakened state without meditation or anything... sometimes it takes a bit of relaxing and deep breathing but it's not a big deal. Usually putting the tips of my thumb and index finger together and the other fingers together too I can much more easily get the flow going somehow. I believe that all that stands in people's way of feeling it is confidence that they don't need special powers to feel it.

I don't like "rules" that make some feel disencouraged, they only do harm. I would rather say that this is purely about dedication and attitude. Nothing else matters. If you happily schedule time for meditation and you're dedicated to it, then you have all you need. Gender doesn't matter, age doesn't matter - but too young and you probably don't have patience or will to meditate. Single or married - depends on dedication and what your marriage is based upon. The bigger factor is if you have kids, but even then your dedication can push you towards making deals with your mate to take care of the kids alone for the 40-60 minutes a day you meditate, perhaps in return you do the same thing. All you need is dedication. There's always a way to find time, if you have dedication. The social and cultural context.... well yes but if you are dedicated and you have a positive attitude towards your meditation, then of course all is in your favor. When people make rules that say "this and that is too hard" then it reinforces some people's sceptisim about their ability.

Dear tao bums, Sorry for maybe starting a flame war the first thing I do but I believe this is of utmost importance. It is the reason why I joined, to be able to post about the things I have read here that I believe should be straightened out once and for all. There's a relatively new movement around, the people in it make a lot of claims. In almost every post I have seen claims that they are the most authentic, the "only way", that they are following the "old style" where secrecy is part of that style, and where sharing means "I share the very basics that aren't even needed, with you, for 3000 USD, in a year you will have to spend 3000 more to get more basics that you don't need". All while implying this system is what gives the best results and that "you need this". I have been a member in their forum, quietly observing what's happening. Soon my membership there is ended because they will now charge 250 USD to allow you to even be in the forum as a spectator. All you can do as a spectator is to get news updates regarding training. All this is done in the light of "we are just trying to keep the unserious people out". Have you seen the double morals of a televangelist? They have fortresses and private jetplanes etc, all in the "name of the lord". It all reminds me of this very thing. They do have very nice tactics - I have seen several people banned for only speaking their mind and raising perfectly same questions. Why? Well, everytime someone is a money-threat to them, they get kicked out immediately. The tactics? Oh how can I put them all down from just my memory.... -If you teach others you will hurt people and get bad karma. We have immortals on our side (we'll see how immortal they are in 50-70 years) that will frown upon you if you don't follow "our ways". -The system you practise now will give you kidney problems at best, or even kill you. -The system you practise now doesn't give you anything, perhaps it's even dangerous. -If you don't have a real teacher to give you an initiation you can forget about it all. (Nonsense, who initiated the first ones from the beginning? It's like reiki - who needs initiation to be able to heal? NO ONE). Surely a healer can help with blockages and such, but that's all there is to "initiation". -A representative of this group will soon post in this thread stating that I am making a fool out of myself, that I am endangering the relationship between the west and the east - just to make all the students worried that they might get all the teachings and become enlightened or get super immortal powers. This is the worst tactic of them all, because it turns people against eachother because of EGO. This is not only evil, it is NEFARIOUS. -The china trip is 7200$ but what David didn't tell some of the students is that they needed to pay even more to get initiation/healing/treatment from D's alleged master in China, otherwise the practise would not be as useful or maybe even "useless". (This involves killing big animals to steal their life force/chi). -In the forum they go about the teachings as "it's now or never" "buy it now or the prices may go up soon" "take the deal now as Dr D has offered to teach this now but may not later". It's like a warehouse with special-ultra-limited-offers, buy now while you still can! Now, do this system have something to teach? Sure it does, but it's far from secret and exclusive knowledge. And you know what the best part is? Groups will form where people send money to one person and they share within the group. Wouldn't you say this is karma in a direct way? Funny how it works, isn't it? Anyways, I wish D.V. would see what he's really doing here. He is not playing with respect to the old ways, the old ways were never meant to be this prostituted, nor secret like they all claim. In fact, this should be more of a open and welcomming community, which of course carefully screen their students to help them with their progress. It's not about being in the center of things and being "authorities" of who gets to teach and where only rich people can afford the teachings. This is what they have reduced theh teachings to and it is NOT honorable in the "old ways" as they so proudly say all the time. This is another thing - how can David help his students with energy blockages and such that they say may arise from practise? He lives in China. The student/master relationship is one of strong bonds and friendship - and as he's the only representative that will teach these methods (according to them) - how can he have time to offer help to his students and screen their progress? No, you will have to pay 3000 USD in order to get to the next course and there he may be able to work with you. Of course, being the only with authority to teach this, as D claims, is only a way to make sure no one makes the big bucks out of this teaching. It's not about helping others to make the world a better place, even if this behaviour is hidden with fancy words and xing pling plong fang gong jong-techniques to hide what's really going on. Do I dislike them? No. They have given into their egoistic side, it happens to the best of us. We should always be aware of this side of ourselves, the side that wants authority, power, admiration, etc. If we don't, these aspects that we all have will take over. Make no mistake about it. Even a high level practioner has to beware of this, no matter what level. Of course, as I pointed out, this post will not be seen for what it is - one that is made from a pure intention of good will for each and everyone. I have a lot of respect for the masters and schools in china. But spirituality is altruistic in nature, not for the rich only. Ever heard of the stories of the great masters that started out very poor but still became one of the most powerful people around? My dear dear friends, you are all part of god and we are all in this together. Everyone who does not lead astray and trust that their own path will lead them to liberation will rely on their own confidence that this can be achieved by anyone who has the right determination and dedication. You don't need to spend 50000$ to realize this, but it's hard to be confident at times. This leads to your mind seeking easier and "more correct" ways. There are no easy ways, dedication is what pays off. Start meditation today, learn how to breath, take it easy and don't strain your legs too much, stretch, read up on subjects, find an altruistic teacher. There's many books around that describe high level practises (Six yogas of naropa, clear light of bliss, Mahamudra, etc). You have resources around you, realize that and make good use of them. Don't look at people who say "our way is the only way" - when you meet such people, run as fast as you can! Of course, the representative will point out that I am wrong in this, but anyone who has seen both his and the posts from this group will know what I am talking about. The slandering of all the others paths and then the double sided saying that the people who don't agree are making the situation between east and west more tense, when in fact they themselves are going about these teachings in a very disrespectful way - not only for slandering and infecting the community (which they say they want to avoid), but for prostituting these teachings to an insane degree. Another funny thing is that both the "Xing Shen Zhuang" instructor in Denmark and in Sweden also teach "Healing tao", when this system is so heavily bashed. Oh yes, I have done my research. Of course the group I am talking about is the "http://www.traditionaltao.com/" group. Good resources for your consideration (not personally sponsoring these but I want to share resources): http://www.robertpeng.com/robert_peng.html (also "the real deal") http://www.chikung-unlimited.com/Chakra-Meditation.html (good and cheap courses, looks like a very altruistic and good-willed teacher). http://www.wudangtao.com/store/product.cgi/57/Videos http://www.kunlunbliss.com/books.html http://www.universal-tao.com/article/exercises.html http://www.alchemylab.com/golden_flower.htm (this I find important and enlightening) There's much more of course, it is my hope that this post will reach out to as many as possible because I believe what is being done is against the spirit of the old teachings and honorable ways. Of course I will be bashed, threatened, etc... but this post is because I do love you all, and I do want everyone to experience what a wonderful world we live in, full of mysteries to discover. Thanks for reading, Chanwu Keys: Traditional tao, Xing Shen Zhuang, Sheng Zheng Gong, Foundation Training Forum

Yes but we all see truth from different perspectives. Hence there's a forum where we discuss things. If you take something that is posted as if the author of the post thinks he got THE TRUTH, then I think you are misinterpreting things. And even if not - this is a forum consisting of different people so there will be different truths. I do not understand this post, still.

This is what forums are all about.. discussion and sharing of knowledge. You can take it or leave it, it's up to you to pick up things in this forum that you can relate to, or throw them away. I don't understand why you are posting this :-) It's only natural for a discussion forum.

That is my best words for the peace and stillness I experience in flashes during meditation. As to my experience, I am not very experienced, nor unexperienced, in fact... I don't think I want to put myself on a scale at all :-) When you think in terms of time and advancement you can sometimes just postpone the advancement. It's only the "filter" that is in your way of realizing this. This is the allegorical meaning of the embryo or the germinal vesicle. This original you didn't need any breath, it was pure. Then it grew up, learning lots of things, what is possible and what is not, what life is and what life is not. When you return your mind to this state you will see the truth, this is what it means. But of course, this is my interpretation. Take it as you will.

This is a valid question imo as it so clearly sais just this on their homepage. Why is it met as if the guy is trying to ridicule kunlun practioners? Since the page gives the impression that level 1 doesn't take long, we should be seeing many levitations and light manifestations by now? :-)

If abortion is murder, then masturbation is genocide! -Unknown

If man loving leads to imbalance, then people in celibacy can't attain a higher level of "cultivation" either because that implies that sex is needed for cultivation - that is, heterosexual sex is needed for cultivation. Yin and yang is in abundance for us all to balance. To all who say otherwise - like a vulcan I say: your logic is flawed ;-)

Yeah, because gay men only have anal sex until their anuses explode? Come on :-) Some don't even like anal sex, how come you are so fixated with anal sex when it's two guys? Heterosexuals don't have anal sex? Come on, one of my girlfriends love anal sex with her guy ;-)

To think that a yang/yang relationship would cause problems is just silly. A relationship doesn't break your balance, the balance is within, not from something external. As some said in this thread - I believe homosexual men have it easier with accepting their feminine/gentle side and create a balance. To say one would be "screwed" when it comes to a certain degree of cultivation because of being homosexual would be like saying that just because you have too many males at your workplace you will have a yang imbalance. Or just because you have too many female friends you have a yin imbalance. A male have access to both yin and yang, it's not limited by such limited thinking as thinking in terms of "cock + cock = yangoverload"!

Umm... I am lost.... I have no idea what you guys are discussing... heart orgasms and ...sex energy flowing out of the third eye and... Any techniques for this? What is to be accomplished? I am confused.... hehe.

Please don't mention high level practioners/masters and others in the thread - I never made this a post about them. I feel mentioning them in this context is degrading and disrespectful. My post is simply about that I want people to think carefully before spending 50000 USD for DV's system. If you are honest about your respect for the masters and high level practioners who D.V. has come in contact with, please leave them out of this because this is not about them.

I said "to gain back".

Oh, what Jesus taught and what people made it into are two very different things. Christianity today is a blasphemy, if you allow me to generalize/talk about the majority of so-called christians. I do believe Jesus existed and was a kind and loving man, with the compassion of a buddha. He wasn't the "heaven or hell" or "you're with me or against me" kind of type, now was he? Just pure compassion for others...

This view I agree with a lot! And yes, level 4 doesn't take 6 months of meditation to gain back as he claim, when he had done initiations in China - according to the story I read on the foundation forum.

I am in no way frustrated, I am concerned, that is all. Buddy didn't mean my post, I think. But thanks for the compliment.

Charging is not a problem. The problem is: Overcharging, hidden fees when people already have paid 5000 euros where the master kills huge animals for you to be healed... huge fee that the students don't get told about in advance, and a very questionable practise in itself The "buy now or never approach", being selective as to who got the most money, ... I have already gone through most of it in my starting post. D will get around, at least, 100.000$ for only the summer seminar. So you can see how much this brings each year, if he has 4-5 of those a year. You say that the chinese look upon money as a part of the "metal in alchemy", surely that may be so, but this is not a balanced cost at all. And this is a very prostituted approach, if you ask me. He would be excluded from many of the pais for doing this, it is not what the teachings are meant to be about. Charging is one thing, as I said, but getting rich from it, is another. Him getting rich means he has to take from many and keep all for himself, while he give out something that is no product but is completely free and natural for us all. It's like stealing something and then selling it back to the same person for money. And the fact that he doesn't want the teachings to spread from his own students, or that he doesn't let anyone else teach the first forms of meditation, clearly shows that he wants monopoly. Of course, he is in the process of releasing books and dvds - this will make him even richer because not only will you get basic instructions from these but you need to buy the really expensive stuff to move on from there. And with him being the only authority and the "only one able to pass on initiations".... well you do the math. I feel sorry for both D and his students...

Yeah clearly it's done by using your index finger. But lets leave Robert Peng out of this thread and keep to main topic please :-)

I read a story about him in another forum, plus his testimonials on his site are convincing... if you refer to the dollar bill through the pen I do believe in such things. A friend of mine have direct experience with being thrown by chi force alone, so a bill through a pen is not so hard for me to believe in. We all come from different places and have different views based on that. I take stories from people I trust as personal confirmation. Like when my life partner talks about haunted houses and such, I don't even need to question the experiences when confronted with them. That's another story. I do believe Robert Peng is the real deal... maybe I'll book a session with him in the future and report here ;-)