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Personally I think the vast majority of people are completely and utterly controlled by their thoughts and one of the main things which keeps people asleep and in delusion is the belief that they are in control. It is one of the main tricks and survival mechanisms of the ego to convince you that you are controlling the mind rather than realise that it is controlling you, but nobody will believe you if you tell them that as it is threatening to their pride and sense of self.

Nothing is inherently good or bad, even water can kill, so is ego.

Is gravity controlling us to keep us on earth? Or is gravity keep everything in order for us to be sane?

Without ego, do you know how to survive day to day? Or without ego, do you know anything? Or without ego, do you exist?

I heard way too many people talking about how much they hate their parents, hate their body, hate their face? Are we going to carry this attitude into our spirtiual journey as well?

Thank you for your opinion, but my experience is different than what you know from your experiences. Its real and separate and backed by hundreds of others' experiences like mine. I am not interested in arguing the point however.

I wasn't disputing it's "real" or not. I guess I didn't make it clear in my post.

All things are interpreted by our mind. We have a choice how to construct the "view".

I did see those "entities" because of my childhood upbringing. I just didn't like what I saw and I didn't see any benifit to have that "view". I just changed my own interpretation of the "input information". It worked.

Like I said, if you like to deal with those "ugly entities", it's your choice. Some people do enjoy watching zombie movies. Nothing wrong with that. It's just not my thing.

Great place!

It reminded me of Cape Breton Nova Scotia in Canada, A well hidden gem in North America. I could still have a WHOLE beach to myself in the summer.

From what I can tell its about learning about yourself and discovering yourself but nobody is saying how or what a taoist does physically that makes him a taoist.

You got it right on both accounts.

1. Tao is about to discovery your true self.

2. Tao encourage you to walk your own unique path.

So you decide where to start, how to walk, which direction to take. I'll do a quick the disciples of Jesus vs Taoist eithgt immortals to give you some idea.

The twelve disciples of Jesus were able young man, so called uprigth good citizens. They all started their path by following Jesus. A simple, unified and dull picture. They all did basically the same thing on earth: preach to others about their belief. And they all met with painful death, a gruesome ending on earth.

The eight immortals, lack in number, but definitely made up with characters. There were man, woman, youth, elderly and the disabled. They came from different back ground: royalty, begger, scholar, trademan and drunk. They started by searching for immotality, gold, revenge and a good time. They all found the godness/goodness inside themselves and became immortals.

AND they kept their individuality.

As a taoist, we're not mandated to "spread the message from God".

I say this with many years of personal experience and in-depth research behind me...too much information to post here though. It would be a small books worth of text.

You reap what you sow.

If you are out looking for conspiracy theory, you will definitely find them every where in your daily life. You spent years of your own precious energy to build some "entities", of course they'd appear everywhere in "your world".

If that's the path you like, a demon slayer. It's fine and dandy. Just remember you have to build the demon yourself first, then you can kill it.

Well, have fun with it. I prefer thetaoiseasy's model, less work and easier for me.

No creative writers from "family guys" here.

Thanks for the advices. I think I'll send her a letter since she hasn't been answering my phone calls. Should I send it as email or a paper letter?

My old girl friend borke up with me last year. One of the main reasons was that I wasn't fully divorced though I seperated from my ex-wife for over five years.

Now I have the divorce paper. How I can tell my ex-girlfriend?

She lives in another city some ten hours driving distance. I plan to fly there to tell her. However I don't think she'll be thrilled to see me suddenly show up at her work place.

Should I text her or send her a mail to make an oppointment at a coffee shop? Should I send her flowers along my invitation?

Yes, I want her back.

If it doesn't happen, I don't want to regret for I know I've exghausted every effort.

Any ideas and suggestion would be appreciated. I'd even consider some "crazy" ideas because I know I can embarrass myself by running naked on the street for her.

No means No in any culture.

Tao is universal.

Chidragon, I think you used the race card too many times.

Thanks Stosh:-) It is a good thread, isn't it? Actually, I'm looking for a definitive answer so I can stick it to some New Age bullies offline

Some bullies are just insecure crying babies looking for approval from you. They don't have enough conviction/energy to build their world. They need to convince others to agree on their world view so they can be sure of theirselves.

It's not easy to deal with any people. Even some sages have to avoid outside influence initally to build up themselves first for a few years.

 

 

I can see it, I can have an intellectual understanding, but that doesn't necessarily protect me from habitually reacting and continuing the cycle. knowing and understanding takes time to become habituated, to become the normal method of operation. We have unconsciously followed our thoughts for so long that it takes time to stop that momentum.

 

Yes, the scientists have proven that the habitual thinking physically create grooves and channels in our brain over years. The law of least resistance state that the energy will flow in the easiest way. Initally I have to watch the negative flow of my thinking and powerless to change them. But it's OK. I've done worse things before and I got pardoned by "God".

Instead trying to erase the grooves and channels in my brain, I try to resue them for different purpose. Basically I try to modify my old engines from runing on anger and fear to running on love and compassion. I haven't figured out exactly how yet. I just don't want to destroy something that has been conditioned for over fourty years.

I'm not the "kill ego or cut root of ego" crowds. It seems to me they are building more powrful weapons for world peace. Who knows. It might work for some people. I prefer recycle and reuse over demolish and rebuild.

If the real world is built by our mind. I'm sure the spirit world is built by our mind as well. You have a choice about how your spirit world look like. Would you like your spirit world filled with hungry ghosts, energy vampires and ugly entities? Or do you like to live in world filled with beautiful angles, giggling faires and helpful sages?

During my K period, I saw entities inside human body as described in the books. However afer a few days interaction with them, I realized that they're no different than regular human. They are there because their owner wanted them to be there to suffer for the owners. I also realized that I can change how I view them and the they indeed change to the view that I'd like to be in my "world".

We all know a glass of seemingly clean water is filled with bacteria. Would you like to develop a supervision to see them clearly like worm swimming in your drinking water? And you can't turn it off?

Maybe you're type of person who enjoy horror movie filled with gores. If that's the case, please ignore my comments and carry on with the entities thing.

Now, almost every night, I would wake up around 4 am.

Strange. I experienced this starting a year ago. I wake up between 3am - 5 am once every single night.

K. Allow me to explain the idea in a way that I tried to explain to a person who has no knowledge of meditation or religion. Please don't hesitate to ask any questions. It's a very difficult point to understand. Your question will help me refine my model and my own understandings as well.

Do you know Pavlov's dog experiment and classical conditioning?

In 1927, Ivan Pavlov experimented with his dog on the subject of psychological training--specifically conditional stimuli and response. He found that when he rang a bell each time before he fed his dog, the dog no longer salivated in response to the food, but to the bell.

Now, Let me get to the point directly. Our current thought is the saliva. We're trained to salivate when hearing bell. We forgot the original condition was food.

If you expand the idea futher, it can be frightening. Our current thought is conditioned. Our logic to judge the thought is conditioned. Our knowledge base is conditioned. Our very language to think is conditioned. What the heck is not conditioned? I don't know.

The first step is to realize that we're not what we "think" we are. Because the very "thinking" can not be trusted. I think most posters on this forum are in this stage.

How to get out of this chain of conditioning? That's what I'm working on.

First, I'd like to stop or reduce more conditionings. I refuse to vote on any issue. I try not to judge.

Second, destroy some conditionings, alter some conditionings and build some new conditionings. I try to do something different to change the pattern.

I try to reverse my step to trace back those conditionings. It's actually a figurative speech. The conditionings are layered like a big onion. I don't think I have time to peel each layer. I want to go to the core directly. From what I heard that the core is "good" and "love".

Is there any famous Amish inventor? The curious minds want to know.

為

之者敗

之執

之者失之

聖人無為故無敗也

無執故無失也

Act,

Who acts would fail.

Possess,

Who possesses would lose.

Sage doesn't act therefore doesn't fail.

doesn't possess therefore doesn't lose.

The "act" should be interpreted as "react", which is a result of the conditionings, IMHO.

I was having dreams with other people and even recieved some help in exorcising my own home at one point from some people I have never met in my life. I had traveled into my brothers room and had noticed a homeless person's soul was laying on the bed with a news paper over its face.

Next time, if you see the homeless people, ask him if he's hungry and offer him a comforter, which is more comfortable than newspaper.

Practice charity in your dreams as well as in real life.

He says that the time to practice this is when you are in the "Zi" period, when you have and erection spontaneosly without having sexual thoughts. He says that after practicing enough, you feel eventually feel the signs that you should go further to the next level... those signs are: you feel a breeze behind your ears, you listen to a vultures sound behind your head, and you see a golden light. That means that you have nourished and completed your Vessels and nourished your system. After that you start using this light in the cultivation.. I`m not sure how, but I know that at this point he says that you continues circulation the MCO but use only your pure intent, without the external breathing. I am saying this because, acording to Zhao Bichen, you open your third eye only after along time of MCO (the golden light). Please note that the info that I mentioned here can have some imperfections since I am posting it from memory and I read the book only once and in a period of less than one day.

When you practice, do you use your eye to fix the external sun and moon and your ear to fix the inner sun and moon ( Golden Flower)?

There are a few excercise in SSS book to open third eye, candle gazing, brow gazing while chanting "Om". Have you tried them? Also nose gazing and throat friction. They can be practiced anywhere and anytime.

There are two types of pleasure down there: one from penis and one from prostate. The pleasure from penis is yan and from prostate is yin. when the two frequence are combined, it generates a bliss beyond simple orgasm.

You should be able to get prostate pleasure without any involement from your penis (it should be soft in your yin pleasure practice).

There are two version of the Golden Flower: one for internal practice (Whelm?) and one for external practice (Cleary?).

llindalini, your energetic type is not suited for astral projection at all. but since no one will tell you that in person or in the internet, i'll be the one to say it. if you ever get into trouble, maybe remember that some random dude on the internet warned you not to do this practice too much.

I second that.

It's better to have strong connection to the "real" life first, i.e. grounding, grounding and grounding. If you're not happy with this "world". It's unlikely you'll find whatever you're looking for in another "world".

Hmm....drugs? Seriously, can Chi and drugs mixed? Think about it. The purpose of the Chi is to cleanse your system. Somehow, you are introducing drugs into your system in order to guide your Chi. Would this be called the dirty Chi??? Or Chi without directions?

Well, isn't tao an art of internal alchemy? In layman's term, it's making drugs inside one's body.

Do you take vitamin? Is that a "drug"? Do you drink coffee? Is that a "drug"?

 

When I sit in meditation, half lotus, I feel energy first on my Huantiao points, the two bony protrusions of my sacrum that are touching the ground, then the energy rises to the huiying, sometimes going down to my testes, at this point my testes start bounding and thumping and vibrating quite violently, then I bring the energy to huiyiin and to sacrum, never got past this point though... I`m kinda scared.

I think at this point, I know there are at least two method to go up: central channel and MCO.

The kundalini yoga method is to open all the rest of chakras. Then guild the energy straight up to the crown. I got that from the book "Kundalini yoga" by SSS.

The Chinese taoist yoga is to open the MCO. Then guild the energy around MCO. I got that from the "the Secret of the Golden Flower".

I believe either method needs the third eye to be open first to guild the energy. I don't think the thrid eyes need to fully open. But it should be operational enough to sense the energy or light.

Is rest of your meridian/chakras open?

If you bring the energy to huiying and spin the huiying, do you feel pleasure? If so, you can bring the pleasure energy up to help open other meridian/chakras. I believe that pleasure frequency is relatively safe to spread around.

Also, remember to "smile". The taoist secrete smile seems to bring the light from crown down to the whole body. It shatters the darkness of fear.

The book by Samul Sagan is very good.

However, I think you're gooding well.

I dont' think there is short cut besides the normal practice of getting more energy at higher frequency.

Finally pythagoreanfulllotus got me convinced that full lotus is detrimental to one spiritual development.

Well, according to Master Chia, that's the method I am familiar with, the flow of the chi goes from your dan tian, to your lower genital region.

I don't think Testicles is what Master Chia had in mind. It's more like huiyin/root chakras in IMHO.

Putting taboos aside; a method considered to be practical in third-eye opening/stimulation is the use of psychedelics, LSD being named as the utmost.

Will LSD opne your third eye for good or just temporary?

I just do a simple meditation where I would just focus on my dantian.

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any advice on how to get the heat back to my dantian

It might be a good idea to move the qi around your body.

I don't understand your method. When you have the "fire" in your TD, why don't do something with the "fire"?