mark72

Hey Oolong,

I have two v.good sources i think can help with the ling/kunlun question.

I have the following quote from Dr. Baolin Wu,Longmen Pai lineage holder (40 years + Dragon gate and Celestial master sect training) from the White Cloud monastery,Beijing;

"The taoists believe each of usis born of both heaven and earth,conceived at the moment of perfect balance

between Yin and Yang for our own individual destiny.Before creation,our original essence is formed of

Ling Zi,ultra small cosmic particles that circulte throughout the universe.At conception,our Ling is pulled down to fuse with sperm and ovum.At this instant,Ling turns to qi.When we die,our ling (or essesnce) is released to combine with all the other Ling essences in the atmosphere.Once combined,the ling travels through the six realms to be born again in a new form."

Lonny S.jarret in his book on the inner tradition of clasical chinese medicine 'Nourishing destiny' states

"Let us go back to the beginning;Before the beginning was the dao.Let us call the dao zero,neither negative nor positive;pure potential -ling.

( p.24,note 5 from lagerway,1987.From a personal communication from Jeffery Yuen).

Also,Ling is the root of Lingbao-

"Biparte term signifyingthe notion of dao as a treasure existing inboth human and heaven.Ling is the heavenly aspect and bao is the earthly aspect identified with jing.Pure potential".

Lingbao is the name given to sacred transmissions of knowledge given from heaven to guide humans toward unity with the dao.The transmission of the Kunlun Neigung would,i believe be described as lingbao.

With regard to the nature of Kunlun energy;im going to give a guess based on what ive read( have not started the training yet and have not met max yet-will do in january)that the energy activated by the kunlun neigung is not qi.It is activating our electro magnetic field potential energy through the central channel.This clears the way for great chunks of qi to flow at a later date.

So,i think that the Kunlun energy is not ling, based on the above passages.

Hope this helps.

Mark.

Craig,

Yes,many thanks for the explanation.

I look forward to getting to grips with these.

Would it be correct to say that the Red phoenix practice is the Hung lung Zhaun nei gung as described in the book (and on the website i think) ?

I have seen Hung Lung translated as fire dragon previously with regards to a Longmen Pai practice called fire dragon qigung .It would be interesting to know whether the two are related-Max's being an earlier form of the Longmen perhaps, or just using the same name.

January is gonna be interesting.

m

Mark, Regarding your questions on the Red Phoenix and the Mao Shan 5 elements.

 

Max told me that Kunlun and Red Phoenix were two of the original schools. He said that ordinarily Red Phoenix took 20 years to learn but by practicing it with Kunlun it can be very quick. Red Phoenix is used to develop "abilities" like he has. When you combine it with Kunlun you can achieve the Golden Dragon Body which he said is the highest state a Daoist can attain. The Daoists that have done this have basically tansmuted their body into a higher or finer state of energy. Max told me that he learned Red Phoenix 29 years ago and that all of his grandmsters practice it. He found out how powerful it was once he gave up all of his other practices.

 

Max taught the Mao Shan 5 elements at the first seminar in August. He didn't teach them at the second seminar I guess because of the time factor and also he decided to teach Red Phoenix instead at that one. If you want him to teach them I would just let them know before the seminar. Perhaps he can fit them in. The Mao Shan 5 elements are like zhang zhaung. There is a standing posture for each of the five elements which are wood - liver, fire - heart, earth - spleen, metal - lungs, water - kidney and they are practiced in that order. I have practiced a lot of zhang zhaung before but these have more of an impact on myself in regards to energy level afterwards. I don't know if it is the order or posture or what. Anyway in the beginning each posture is held for 5 to 7 minutes. The last two days I tried 10 minutes each and I think I may have overdid it because I feel like too much energy came into my body.

 

I hope my explanation helped. Max will give you a much better description of Red Phoenix and the five elements at the Australian seminar.

 

Craig

Hey mal,

As far as i know Sydney sounds possible.

Thats all i know so far,( and im in no position to suggest any authority btw!).

As to other locations you should contact mantrs68- chris for information.

Keep checking the post....

mark

Just when I was sulking that my book is still in the mail ........ Some Good news

 

Going anywhere in Queensland?

 

p.s. Nice lurking

hey craig,

Its almost my first post here,have been a'lurking for a while!

I wonder if you could explain about the exercises you mention here?

What is the purpose of the Red Phoenix exercise?

Is the Mao shan exercise a similar to zhang zhaung?Does it ,as the name implies,work on the 5 elements and 5 main organs?

Did Max teach these at the Kunlun seminar?

Im going to be assisting in the organising of Max's trip to Australia in January btw.

thanks.

Mark

I might add that Max told me that combining Kunlun with the Red Phoenix practice creates the golden dragon body which he said is the highest state a Daoist can attain. So it isn't just a Kunlun practice. I am also practicing the Maoshan 5 elements standing exercise everyday. I have practiced a lot of standing nei kung exercises previously however they never seemed to effect me like these one do. I definitely feel much more energy since I started the practice. Craig

Hi clear clouds.

Im in sydney and would be very interested to meet your teacher.

I have seen his name before ,and tried to contact him but with out success.

Ill send you a PM with some questions i have.

Thanks for the announcement.

Best wishes

MArk

Hi

My name is mark.

Im based in Sydney ,Australia and study Daoist neigung and a line of Yang family taijiquan.

Ive been logged on for a while,but only just got around to saying hi.

I look forward to geting involved.