Jeramiah Zeitigeist

I'll be buying this book !

I have read some articles by Doc Fai Wong in some Inside Kung Fu mags from the early nineties. I Master Doc's writings he says one absolutely can't do standing meditation correctly with the eyes open. I can't believe that I hadn't caught that way back when.

 

 

 

 

He is a tai chi guy, is this just the plum blossom tradition, in regards to keeping the eyes closed?

 

 

Can I get any opinions on this?

I disagree !

Maybe at first its true, when the distractions of the body, and maintaining alignments, and visual disturbances in your environment can be a problem. But once you are past that stage, I think open eyes is fine.

Infact, I would say, from my own experience, I get more from standing meditation with open eyes, than with closed eyes.

I am sure I have read, somewhere, that 'open eyes' is the next level. I just can't remember where.

Good advice !

From a professional healer's perspective;

A skilled healer will be able to look at your energy system and get a much more objective view of what is happening.

There are some very skilled and capable people on this forum, but from a distance, advice can at best be speculative, given that we only know what you tell us, from your subjective viewpoint.

Not suggesting that you are wrong in your assessment though. But a second opinion is often good. I have sensitive, skilled people come for healing, with a good overview of their problem, but often they have missed vital elements, due to being too close to the issue.

The lack of sexual activity is neither healthy, nor unhealthy. It depends if you are denying yourself, or if your are finding it simple with no excess desires. It is more your reactions to it, or your underlying sexual tensions that will determine its healthiness or otherwise.

Do you see yourself saying any of this?

 

 

 

Most of my previous girlfriends !

Another interesting observation, I have just thought about;

When I was still a 'proper' cyclist, my training often involved a five hour training ride in the hills. This would be a killer ride. Often on a fixed gear, so no chance to freewheel or change to an easier gear. I would be battering myself, riding at 20mph average, for five hours, on rough roads, in the winter, in the cold and the rain, and often wind. And I was strong enough to sprint the final 30 minutes.

Anyway;

Conventional sports science would suggest I would use around 800 calories an hour, at my weight. So we are looking at 400 calories for the ride, given the terrain, the cold etc. That would involve eating and drinking every twenty minutes, during the ride.

I would do it on one, 350 calorie bar. And not be hungry afterwards. I'd eat once, at two hours. And only drink water.

My coach called me 'unnatural' and a freak ! Said he couldn't understand what was happening. If I ate more on the ride, I would start to gain weight.

On reflection, I am sure it was the energy work I was doing.

I'm starting to become aware of how eating big meals kicks my ass. Today I started the day with a 2 hour and 45 minute Spring Forest Qigong session. Afterwards I felt great and had some big plans for the day. After Qigong I was cleaning up my apartment and the day was going good. I needed to eat so I went to a restraunt and ate a double cheeseburger with fries and a big cobb salad. I also had a large Dr. Pepper. I figured since this would be my only meal for the day I should eat a lot. After I had the big meal - It just wacked me out. I couldn't get anything done and spent hours wasting time on the internet. From now on I'm only doing small meals throughout the day. I can't figure out how over weight people can eat like that all day and still be over achievers. When I do this it makes me tired, lazy, and undisciplined.

But I think there is a big difference between eating heathy, nutritious and good food, and eating absolute shit !

I think maybe if you had eaten something other than junk food, you might have got a different reaction. But eating that stuff is bound to cause a negative reaction.

I have seen over many years that the quality of the food I eat directly affects the quality of my energy, and my psychological and emotional states. Its usually subtle, but very definate. If I ever ate what you ate, I think it would be a major shock to my system.

And in reply to the OP;

I have noticed the more Chi Gong I practice, the less I eat. If I factor in Ba Gua and meditation too, and if I do any more than two hours a day, I find I only need one meal a day.

J-Z,

 

Thanks, well what you experienced is deffinitely something worth cherishing, more understanding of your own soul

 

I got through about half of Auto-biography of a Yogi,, really must finish it! Will deff try the Hong Sau out!

 

Which Yogananda centre did you attend? was it the one in South West London? am just browsing his website now.

 

Cheers bro!

Ed

Yes, I am very lucky ! Another piece of the jigsaw comes together. So many missing pieces, however.........

Finish the book ! I think it gets better and better as it goes along !

I was very lucky to be spending many months a year in America, at the time I got into Kriya. And I was often in California, so got to go along to HQ !

But I was actually initiated in Somerset. Which is my homeland, and my spiritual home, so that came together nicely.

I'm bored with Lao Tzu

I don't believe he is the real Lao Tzu at all.

I think he is a fake !

After all, surely the real Lao Tzu would understand Daoism ?

Or is that the greatest Daoist joke of them all ?

Verse 41;

"When the foolish man hears of the Dao, he laughs out loud. If he didn't laugh, it wouldn't be the Dao"

No, on second thoughts, Lao Tzu is a fake !

J-Z, thanks for that, have read most of 'The spiritual science of kriya yoga' by Yogananda, is a good book, must reread it. What did you get out of your time with Kriya yoga? Are you able to say what happens after any intiiation in terms of restrictions on everyday life etc?

 

LifeForce, haha no problem mate! yep synchronicity! I think the Hong Sau technique is in the book i mentioned above, will read about it, thanks!

 

T-I, Thanks for adding that... would you say this system could be dangerous for someone who has had a diagnosed mental disorder, seeing as it works with the third eye?

 

Cheers

Ed

I came to Kriya through reading Autobiography of a Yogi, which I found inspirational. So I then studied Yogananda's commentary on the Bhagavad Gita, then devoured pretty much everything else I could find.

I was already on a 'path', as it were, and had been studying eastern religions and techniques since my teens. I had always leant towards Tibetan and Chinese systems, so Kriya Yoga seemed like a distraction, at least at first. Then I decided to follow it more closely, knowing that I would eventually come back to China. I think it was actually an important diversion for me to take, as I still hold it quite dear, and still browse the books.

Hard to say what I got out of it, in terms of specifics, as I was already the product of many other practices. But it deepened my understanding of the soul and its place in the universe. Also made me realise that absolutely anything is possible, if the energy is right. I wouldn't change my experience, and maybe I'll go back to it in the future. I cherish the experience.

Initiation was very simple, over a day, I seem to remember. The good thing about it was, its very practical and pragmatic. Normal life continues as before. But the connection, energetically, to the lineage of Yogananda, allows things to flow very easily, I believe.

I'd recommend the Hong Sau mediation to anyone looking for a solid, straightforward method !

And I have bought 'Autobiography of a Yogi' for dozens of people, all over the world, when they have made it clear they were 'seeking' answers. And bought it for a good few clients too. And without exception, its changed their lives.

I practiced Kriya for a number of years.

I found the Self Realisation Fellowship people very good indeed.

If you read Yogananda's works, you'll get a good idea of what they are about. I've certainly never heard anything bad about them, and if I had, I wouldn't care, as my experience was good, and thats all I can judge them on.

I only really dabbled with Kriya yoga, compared to my Daoist studies. But I still browse the Kriya books from time to time. I've just reread Seven Lessons for Conscious Living, by Roy Eugene Davis, which is a core book of the Self Realisation Fellowship, and I rate it highly.

It describes itself as

"A progressive program of higher learning and spiritual practice in the kriya yoga tradition"

In my opinion, good people.

Goodness me !

I go to bed, and when I wake up, the thread has doubled in length ! Good work, fellow Bums.

I don't think I have ever seen such a Troll thread as this one. One of the classic signs is it is like arguing with a child.......and thats certainly how it seems to me.

Lao Tzu, please tell me:

What is your background in energy work ?

You seem to be able to spot a fake instantly. You claim there are no real masters. So you must be very experienced in Qigong. So what is your practice ? Who taught you ? You must be at least a master, to have such high opinions. To see through people who have worked hard for decades is a great skill. So how did you get it ?

Please tell us !

I was a top class cyclist. I would listen and take advice from other top cyclists and coaches. But often, amateur cyclists and weekend warriors would offer their advice too. I used to listen, but over the years I stopped. Why ? Because one needs to have a level of experience and proficiency to offer advice, and they didn't have it. I don't want advice on how to race at 32mph, from someone who cannot race at 20mph.

I will not offer dogma and opinion to horse riders, as I do not ride a horse. I will not say who is the best at something, and who is a fake, if I have no experience.

I believe you have little, or no experience in energy work. Maybe you have read a book ? Maybe you have watched some videos on YouTube ?

Your posts on this thread, and on every thread, portray a sneering attitude. Maybe thats not how you want to come over, but its how it seems.

So please tell us how you have gained so much knowledge and experience.

Everyone here is open about their experience. Tell us about yours

Otherwise, I will be forced to judge you.

I don't mean you ill will, and I don't mean to upset or offend you.If I do I apologise.......

But Sir, I declare you a fake, and a phoney and a Troll.

Unless you can prove me otherwise.

I am not sure what makes you an authority on what the bums need. Many here are studying under someone or some lineage and are close enough to the teachers/masters/etc to know for themselves. SO who specifically would you like to address? Who is going off in the wrong direction in their study?

 

Most normal people don't go around searching for proofs of fakes and then go to a website and claim this is for their own good... This is a classic troll maneuver to stirs things up.

 

Your not proving something is fake, just that some claims of some people are. Your not really proving the person is fake since you don't know them enough to state it categorically across the board. So in the end, your not proving anything about Qigong, only about human nature. As well, your actions show something about your nature too.

Says it all !

Because I think the latter is more important for the bums.

Well, its very kind that you think you are helping us all out !

But I think most people on here have learnt to think for themselves and are probably more adept at spotting fakes than you.

And people are here to learn, not to throw shit.

Judge no one, less you be judged yourself.

I've even met people who were exposed as fakes, who were absolutely genuine, and who were emotionally and psychologically devastated by what happened to them.

So I make my own mind up about everything.

Maybe you should understand that, and give others the respect due to them. Let them decide themselves.

I'm bored now. I'm not going to judge your motives or agenda. I have no right. You do what you do.....I'll do what I do.

Because it is a major cheating way to convince people that he is a "qigong master" . And some people really believe it!

So what ?

People are dying in illegal wars around the world....

Imperialist aggression is out of control.......

Millions are starving.......

The rain forests are being destroyed.......

The world's economy is on its knees due to the bankers taking the piss.........

A few people pretending to do things they can't do is not really the end of the world.

If you want to get angry about something, then choose something a little more worthy !

Pasting a video is a type of trolling?

Is "The Troll is back ! " a trolling?

It just seems to me you are obsessed with fakes !

You start a thread, and straightaway, its talking about fakes. Never any positivity. Always fakes. Fake Qigong, fake masters......

Classic Troll activity.

If you see the world through negative eyes, looking for the worst, guess what ? Thats what you'll see !

I really don't care what anyone else is doing. Many years ago, yes. But not now. I grew up. I just get on with my practice. I don't bother to judge anyone. Its a pointless and worthless activity. I'm sure my ego an find better things to waste timer on

Howabout you ?

How are you leading your life ? Whats your agenda ? Why are you so interested in what others may, or may not be doing ?

Unless you have personally been affected by a fake master, it seems strange to give so much energy to the subject.

Why are you on this forum ?

Everyone on here seems to be a consenting adult, with enough experience to spot the fakes from the genuine. If you have such a downer on Qigong, there are better places to go, where people might be more easily influenced by you.

The Troll is back !

Yup, that second video is beautiful ! It would take years to reach that standard ! I've saved that video on my computer and refer to it quite often, when I need inspiration. Possibly the best circle walking I've seen on YouTube.

Yes, sounds like 'Self Manifested Chi Movement', or Swaying Willows and Flowing Breeze, as its often called.

Can't actually be sure without seeing it, but its generally a Good Thing !

LOL, Story? Cool story.

I have lots of stories.

For instance I could say the white light meant he was having a heart awakening. The green means it hasn't opened fully, etc. And no one could prove me wrong.

 

It is the ABSOLUTE-isms in the newyagey literature that gets me - both this color and that chakra - things I have determined for myself to be not true (anyone else can believe it if they wish). In your story example quite possibly, through EXPERIENCE the guy has learned a good deal about it. But it really doesn't mean the same absolutism as from a viewpoint that realizes these things are dynamic and not static.

 

I didn't say the colors have no meaning at all. Sometimes can even be helpful. But if we limit our analysis to a color - OK, what happens if the patient just walked off the street and just before they walked in they met a person they know who just pissed them off to no end. Would our "color" analysis be valid as an overall representation of the health of their energy body? No, because in an hour or so they would change. Any number of examples can be given. The dynamics must be taken into account.

 

When dealing with energetics we will not have the highest efficacy if we limit ourselves to the colors seen at the moment; we need to go way beyond that. Yes, in the end we do utilize vibrations but if we went into the treatment thinking we need to change this color at that chakra, etc. it would be very limiting and not an overall treatment based on holistic factors.

 

This type of thinking misses the boat on a true energetic analysis because very few people can see dimensionally. (heck, most people don't even know it exists, much less see) Guess what? The colors CHANGE. So what colors one sees depends on their overall development as well as their own personal talents. I do train students to SEE. But we realize these "chakras" as well as "aura's" have dimensionality and don't limit the treatment.

 

Skeptical? How about "refined". I have worked with "Seers" for a very long time; this is what I believe to be true based on experience. I too am like the previous poster in that I just don't pay much attention to auras, colors, etc because I am more effective when I don't. And just when I have thought in the past that I had it all figured out I would get a case that skewed the data.

 

I know that many people who say these things have not burned through their filters; when they do it all changes. I have seen this fact empirically over and over and over for the last 35 years.

 

Many times natural healers see things that are not the same as what others do; their seeing is not based on simple colors but on an overall totality of perception factor.

 

And a final comment is that TCM cannot be applied to this subject in an accurate manner. Medical Qigong energy healing and analysis differs extensively from conventional TCM.

Guys....listen to the words above !

I've dedicated my life to healing, for 18 years. I have treated over 20000 people, and I agree with every word. It can't really be put any better.

If you disagree, and want to argue the point, it needs to be from the position of at least as much experience. I've studied thousands of auras, maybe ten thousand, which is probably less than Ya Mu. But we both share the same opinion.

I'm not claiming definitive knowledge, but its hands-on experience, so counts for something.

Looking at auras is not really worth the effort. Feel the energy, feel its quality, its texture, its depth, its vibrancy. Feel its personality. Feel how it interacts with the different layers, feel how your energy affects it, and is affected by it. Immerse yourself in the energy. But don't waste time trying to work out the colours. It really isn't worth it.

I can show them in a direct manner and most will say it is only coincidence. I have found over the years that it isn't even worth attempting to convince people; as I said above they are going to believe what they wish to. In fact, I now only deal with those who are seeking it rather than to attempt to convince others. I guess if someone that wished to financially sponsor a study came along I would participate, but I am too old for the nonsense.

My thoughts exactly.

I used to lobby to take part in research studies, and did everything I could to open up healing to a wider audience. I was overly optimistic !

Now, I just get on with the healing. I've lost interest in what anyone thinks.

Man oh man, I am glad to see that everyone out there is not taken in by all the crap published on this subject.

 

OP:

The white color means you are a child of Atlantis, the expanding means you need to work on your 3rd eye to help your heart chakra open, the green was one of your deaths, the one when you were surrounded by water and a statue fell on you, the yellow means you got too much solar radiation in a previous life and you need to eat cabbage to offset it.

(not making fun of you, just having fun with the potential interpretations you will get from people.)

 

Look inside and see what it really means to you. The energy field is always in a state of flux.

Like it !

the first question that comes to mind: why aren't you asking your relative about this?

 

there's really nothing static about the "meaning" of colors in auras. the attempts to nail it all down into simple and concrete definitions is new age nonsense, IMO. what do YOU feel in your chest? what does your relative intuitively feel about the whole thing?

 

i'm sure that someone might chime in all matter-of-fact, and you can even find books that define the colors, but that kind of information further obscures your ability to feel for yourself what is happening in your own energy field. just listen. it's your energy field. relax and listen with your whole being.

 

 

an example:

 

black can be a calming, soothing, (sometimes water element) healing presence that cools down over-activity in a fiery area like the heart & chest. it can also be cancer. it can also be a transitional space where an illness is either materializing or dissolving, or a different quality of energy is doing the same. there really is no "black means this." plus, there are differences of shades, vibrancy, luster.

 

there are multiple, simultaneous qualities arising at the same time, and they are all a part of the communication. there's an emotional element, a kinesthetic element, and sometimes just a direct intuitive knowing. an effective psychic needs access to more than just one dimension (like a general color) if the reading is going to be valuable.

 

it becomes new-age nonsense when we apply materialist, reductionist rules & standards to an esoteric, fluid, and largely mysterious field.

 

so if you trust in your family member's skills, then you should ask for that person's overall feel and interpretation of the entire experience they had of you. but looking up colors won't get you very far.

 

that's my take on it, anyway.

Pretty much word for word how I would have responded, if I'd got there first !

Although maybe slightly less eloquent from myself !

When I started healing, I was very excited to start seeing auras, and thought it would be a very useful tool. Within five years I had stopped looking at them altogether. Feeling energy, sensing energy and merging with the energy gives me a thousand times more information that a visual assessment. Looking at auras is overrated and leads to confusion.

Only my opinion though.....

yeah i think what we have is the AMA and the FDA and all the other medical overseers who have a vested interest (a very very very profitable one) in keeping people sick so they can sell them pharmaceuticals and overpriced, low quality health care. Planned obsolescence of the human body! So the last disease that the beast of science actually cured was hahaha probably polio in the 50s, and jonas salk is a hero today. That last statement does not honor stem cell research but then again hoohooohooooo neither does the medical industry. So with very few exceptions, there is a deep interest in keeping people sick so they can sell them drugs. Since the mainstream media is controlled by the corporations and by the pentagon, there isn't evidence available to people that cancer can be cured. You have to look well off the beaten path, and then the blind naysayers like mr tzu can say "oh well thats not a journal of an acCREDitted institution blahblaaahblahahaahah" and so forth.

 

Its a real conundrum that most people can't see through because they feed at the television like a baby at a nipple, and just like a baby, cry when something that isn't mainstream milk enters the equation. Just like mr tzu's opinions are just regurgitated opinions of the chinese governmental propeganda machine.

 

But cancers have been cured, tumors go away, the more you look it up the more testimonials you will find of people who said "i just decided to heal, and wow it worked". Some of them use qigong and some don't, but does qigong heal? More than western medicine's approach to cancer does!! HAhaha

 

So how about mr tzu get worked up about the deception of the mainstream media, the monster corporations, the medical establishment, or the government agencies that are causing so much illness? Instead of this pretentious ire about qigong cheaters that boils down to personal prejudice based on opinions without substantiating evidence?! Or worse, an inability to think outside of what the oppressive chinese government tells you?!?

Great response !

But I think Mr Tzu has already made his mind up !

If I presented him, in person, with a dozen people who came to me with cancer, and having received no conventional medical treatment, their cancer has vanished, would he accept it ?

Not a chance !

I have learnt that, to many intelligent and rational people, evidence is only evidence if it already confirms their existing opinion. Otherwise, its not evidence, its just anecdotal, and worth nothing. Yet they will happily use apparently anecdotal evidence to conform their opinion.

Heres a funny one.....

I have a friend. She is a Homeopath. So straightaway, she is obviously a fraud to some people.

14 years ago, she had brain cancer, as a teenager. She received all the medical treatment available, but it failed. At that time she was a big believer in modern medicine. She was sent home to die, being given perhaps a month to live. She decided, in desperation to try a renowned homeopath. It worked. The cancer vanished and has never returned. The only problems she has now are due to the side effects from the conventional medical treatments, which are still with her, 14 years later.

And now the point of the story.........

She has told her story, honestly and truthfully to various media over the years, hoping to show that, when all else has failed, not to give up hope.

And she has received thousands of death threats !

People are so angry and challenged by her simple story that they are prepared to threaten her life. Not just a handful, but hundreds, and thousands.

All she has done is survived terminal brain cancer, and dared to share her story.

So how on earth can we have a rational debate on these things, when many people, when confronted with living proof, will resort to such madness ?

Mr Tzu is actually quite civilised so far !

Agreed. Two comments from my Qigong master which has most influenced me are:

1. Don't agree with anything I say. Agree with what you experience.

2. A healer doesn't heal. A patient heals themself.

 

 

The practitioners who spend 50-60 years healing don't need the evidence. The patients past, present, and future don't need the evidence.

 

So just who is it that requires this evidence?

 

Often those who have no interest in the first place but have response for it all.

Spot on !

Sanity reigns on Tao Bums as the Sun sets on another heated debate.......

But wait ! Is that a Troll hiding under yonder bridge ?