ChiDragon

The benefit one can get from Wuji is to relax the body. Why does one want to keep the body in motion all the time?

Did it make your legs stronger?

If you know your stuff and standing still at the wuji position, then, no one will know what your next move is.

That is correct. You start from the initial state at zero which is wuji. Whatever you do, finally, you will come to a stop and return to the original state of wuji. In other words, you went back to the state of stillness.

I assume that you meant at the end of exercises, you come to the Wuji position of stillness. Yes, at the end of the exercise, all practitioners come to a standing still. BTW They don't call it Wuji for nothing.

Looks like you've never learnt what wuji(無極) meant. FYI It means stillness to a point of infinity. How much more still can one be at this point?

無極(Wuji) is void to the extreme. Nothing should be performed but stillness. If a practitioner ask you to do this and that at a Wuji position, sorry to say! You are not at the state of Wuij.

Here it is Wuji https://wujiquest.substack.com/p/wuji-the-posture-basics

Yes, that and standing with the legs straight up. That is the true wuji posture. PS Wuji is nothing but standing still like a normal human being does. It was defined by the Qigong practitioners by calling it Wuji. Why make such a big deal out of it?

There should be no time limits. If you stand for awhile like few minutes and cannot withstand the pain, then, stop. Wait awhile, then, try again. Just try to bear the pain for awhile until you can bear it without stopping. BTW Wuji is standing without having the legs bent. It is only a starting position. You should go to ZZ right away and bend your knees at a comfortable position. Move your body up and down to adjust the tension on your legs muscles.

Yes, zhan zhuang does make the legs very strong. It is the practice that have the legs bent at an angle. It is the contraction of the legs muscles that build up the muscle tone. As result, it helps to the feet to root on the ground and have a better sense of balance. In MMA, a good boxer always have good postures by keeping the body in balance. Furthermore, one leg is always stay put on the floor/ground while the other leg is doing a powerful kick. I had stay why boxers win all the time by observing their leg work in the ring. I have observed that a good boxer is always alert and standing in a good horse stand. In addition, it is the breathing control that will help to last for the third round for the kill. I will show some videos to demonstrate how one is handle the legs well and how some is not so good. If you have any zhan zhuang experience would like to share, please do so. Thanks!

Did anyone mention breathing? He could stand there all day and look like a fool without going into the ultimate method of breathing(UMB).

FYI Some might think that Zhan Zhuang is an advance level in Kung Fu. However, Zhan Zhuang is lowest level in Kung Fu practice. It was recommended to start with ZZ before anything else in Kung Fu.

Haha, the good old days for me was 60 years ago. I'll reserve my comments on your thoughts on ZZ. Peace!

No no no! You got it backward. The training of Jin was not from these gesture. The Jin in the body was developed from the diligent practice of Taiji. Why do you think that Taiji practitioners practice everyday? It was to condition the body to develop the Jin in the body. Jin is nothing but the increased strength of the body.

The eight methods of Fajin using different parts of the body indicated as follows: 1. 掤(peng) : Using one forearm sideways to push out and upward 2. 捋(lu) : Using the palms moving laterally 3. 挤(ji) : Using the back of the hands pushing forward 4. 按(an) : Using both the palms and arms in the up position with the upper torso moving forward, using the waist as leverage. 5. 采(ca) : Using the fingers holding the wrist and the elbow of the opponent moving downward. 6. 挒(lie) : Using both forearms to blocking the incoming force. 7. 肘(zhou) : Using the elbow to push the opponent when close in contact 8. 靠(kao) : Using the shoulder to push the opponent away By now, we all know what is Peng. It is a method of Fajin. See the definition #1 above. If the Jin was issued with the method of Peng(掤), then, it was described as Peng Jin(掤勁). For the same token, if Kao Jin (靠勁) was mentioned, then, it was understood that Jin was issued by the shoulder. Since 挒(lie) is using the forearm to Fajin, then, 挒(lie) may be correlated to 掤(peng) by definition.

In the good old days. A Chinese father used to discipline his son by making him do Zhan Zhuang. It is because the father knew it was good for the health of the son. BTW Most Kung Fu masters always have their students start with ZZ before teaching any forms of martial art. It is because that is the fundamental training to condition the body to take any future punishment.

This is how a beginner does. There is no such thing as not for beginners. Otherwise, where would a beginner start to do something.

@steve I had edited. In case you have missed. Redundant : I can't delete this post. MOD please delete.Thanks!

Again, you are thinking about push-hand is pushing hand hard. Even though there are lots of pushing action, but this is not the real method of push-hand. In real push-hand, there should be an initiated opposing force before one can react to it. What we see here is someone standing in a most vulnerable position that anyone can push him aside. It requires no special technique for the performer in to accomplish his demo. I do sense that the performer has Jin in him and the ability to Fajin. However, I don't see that the demo had shown the full scale of the push-hand method.

Thank you, Steve. I believe you had indicated, here, is the application in combination of the multi Fajin methods. However, each method should be a stand alone posture.

@steve I had edited. In case you have missed.

Ofc it's not. At least, the consistency in the language is always there.

@steve I don't know can see going into this site. If you do, please look at: @ 00:17 掤 resembles the gesture of 野馬分鬃. It is using the hand. @00:30 挒 is using the hand to Fajin. @00:35 is the gesture of 靠. It is only using the shoulder. Yes, I agree that 掤 and 挒 are using one hand to Fajin but not 靠. This is, only, my argument no more or less. Please don't say more to confuse the issue.

How in the world we got this into the OP?