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Oh yeah, and WEIRD! In a good way! Walking out of there on the 2nd day, the time before the weekend seemed like years ago... Everything was so different, the world, the light, the people... Weird and great at the same time!

It went by great, there were a number of people (30-something?) attending. Max, Chris and his third student (sorry, can't remember his name, long curly hair, fair skin, anyone know the name?) We started out with Red Phoenix, and Max went around giving everyone the Kunlun transmission while we focused on doing the Red Phoenix. Already here some people started crying and releasing. After that there was a demonstration of Tibetan burning palm and Scorpion palm on two gentlemen. Very interesting to see! Then we were taught "normal" seated Kunlun, and a lot of people opened up, there was crying, laughing, movement etc. I felt the Kunlun energy quite strongly and bounced around and got a great feeling. After this we were taught the Golden Flower and how to combine it with Kunlun. We then did a new Golden Flower-Kunlun session, which gave even more results than the first session. The next day we did a new bout of Red Phoenix, followed by more Kunlun (some new people came by too), which opened up even more people. There was more movement, and some people REALLY let go and opened up to it. I myself got near to opening up to the light Max said, if I could just let go, and I felt like I floated upward and there was some light happening. Really intense. After this Max showed us some new application/secret of the Golden Flower, how intent and Kunlun energy could move us to the point we put our intent on, something he said was the secret of the Ninjas. Finally we were taught spirit travel and how to combine it with Kunlun. All in all a GREAT seminar, I came out a different man, and will try to dedicate time to Kunlun each day. I think Max & co were very happy with the seminar, and they were going to teach some Snake Bagua in Frognerparken (a park in Oslo) today (Monday). Unfortunately it's too far away for me as I work today, but it's great that he teaches these things too! Sorry for the messy write-up, I just wrote it without any editing!

Yes, Max demonstrated both Tibetan burning palm and Scorpion palm on two gentlemen! :-) Really intriguing stuff!

Thanks for your reply sheng zhen! Sorry you can't make it, but if this one's a success I guess this might not be the last time Max & co are coming to Norway? Cheers!

I'm going to the Oslo workshop, and I've been planning to take the train back and forth each day (live about 1h 45 min by train away). To be sure I won't be late, on Saturday I intend to take the 6 train, which means I'm in Oslo 07.45. Do anyone know if the Axelssons school will be open by then btw, so I can wait there? If not I guess I can wander around for a bit. However, I've discovered that on Sunday there is no 6 train, only 7, which means I'll be in Oslo 08.45. Since Kunlun class starts 9 then, I'll have about 15 minutes to make it from Oslo S to Axelssons school. It didn't seem that far away, but I wanted to make sure: Will that be enough time to walk? I'll know where the school is then, since I've been there before was my thought, but I still wanted to check with you guys! Cheers!

Yeah, I second minkus' question, it's more convenient for me to go only to the seminar, but would I miss out on anything? Is the free lecture only a taste of the seminar to help people decide to go to the seminar, or is there something else there too?

Cool that things have not been canceled! I hope Oslo is still on too? As long as it's any weekend except the 12th and 13th of April, I'm there! So I'm crossing all my fingers that it will be another weekend...

I've come to very much respect you and your wisdom Trunk, so I hope it's OK if I ask a few questions. First some info. I've been attempting retention for a few years on and off I guess, but as I mentioned I usually had intrograde ejaculations for the most part before... Since starting Maxwell Multiple Climax, I've not had ejaculations at all for a few months, until some time a few weeks ago, when I went to far, and instead of the usual "Oh no, I'll have to clench my muscles to keep from coming" I just relaxed and let myself ejaculate. It felt good and I didn't feel the usual loss/shame I used to feel. Just generally, do you feel this method sounds valid, to masturbate until just before the point of no return, and then stop all stimulation, breathe and wait until the excitement subsides before contiuing (Maxwell Multiple Climax in a nutshell). But I guess even this should be coupled with your advices for retention, not only Mantak Chias Healing Love practices? - So, do you recommend I quit retention for now (someone mentioned waiting with sexual activity until the pain subsides, but you say saving up more may cause more problems, should I ejaculate now?)? One of my problems is that I'm so damn horney sometimes, so I couldn't possibly ejaculate every day or every other day, as that would weaken me too much. I guess if I were to quit retention for a while while working on opening my lower body I could try to get more disiplined and ejaculate only once or twice a week, and abstain from masturbation the rest of the week. What about celibacy, would that be bad too? I'm planning on going to a Kunlun seminar in March, and as far as I've understood, they preach 100 days of celibacy for the first period, would this be bad for me too? This lower tan tien breathing you speak of, what is it exactly? I've understood it's a part of Iron Shirt 1, but as I've not practiced this, I'm not sure what it is... Is it merely breathing into my lower abdomen (buddhist breathing with abdomen out on in breath and the other way around?) while focusing on my tan tien, or something more? I've contacted Soloflex about their machine, as I live in Europe, don't know if they send here, and if the machine will work here. Would Zhan Zhuang be good for me now, I feel like taking it up again, as per the advice of Steam? What would be your number one advice(s) for me to help loosen up this stagnation as fast as possible? I thought I wasn't so extreme, and since I had abandoned the Mantak Chia Healing Love I wouldn't have the problem I've heard about and dreaded with regards to retention-gone-wrong, but apparently I have... :-( As I've said, I feel my kidney energy/jing is weak, as I feel drained when I ejaculate, but somehow I also get horny quickly again... And if I can't really abstain either, since that might build up, it's hard to know what to do... Could I ejaculate like once a week, work on opening up, and using jing replenishing herbs, to work up to retention? And do you discern between retention and pure celibacy/abstaining from any sexual activity when you say retention will only make things worse for me now? Thanks for your kind help, and for taking the time, I really appreciate it!

OK, I'll try to stay celibate for some time now at least. Thanks for your help!

What you seem to be saying here is no sexual activity at all, full celibacy? But in your previous post you seemed to hint at retention practices, since you said "yes if you know how" to me saying I felt like masturbation and practicing retention was a sweet deal? Cool, I will definitely look into this! Thanks for the great advices! - I've been losing some hair as well these past years, and my body hair is growing more, so DHT is definitely high in my body already... I've stayed away from Finasteride, but I thought I heard there were some side effects with Saw Palmetto as well, like smaller erections and more female features? Have you experienced any of this, or has it been all good? Will start getting more back into Zhan Zhuang, I used to do it every day before...

Procurator: Where could one learn this true way to retention? Is it a secret practice, or are there public teachers? Jakara, Pietro, Fire Dragon & joelbast: Thanks ever so much for taking the time to answer my questions! I will definitely take your advices to heart! I've come to relealise that most of the pain is actually in the lower abdomen down toward the root of the penis (with some back towards my perineum/anus), so it's somewhat uncomfortable to sit. Might just be muscles though, as I actually remember having what I have now (only very much milder, only like 10%) when I had strained and ejaculated too much in my early teens... So I think it might be musclular, but I'll still go see my doctor on Thursday. Guess I'll try to explain about the sexual practice, saying it invovles Kegels and start-stop, as I'm afraid he won't take me and my problem seriously if I start dropping words like "Taoist", "retention", "jing" and "tantra"... - Oh yeah, I'll try very much to abstain from any of these practices for a while, maybe it's just my private parts' way of saying "Heeeey big guy, enough is enough, it's time to chill and just let us enjoy a little peace and quiet for a while!" Hah, it sounds as if I'm some sex crazed maniac here now! But I do concur, sexual energy is a VERY powerful force... Hope my recently adopted way of trying to "befriend" it is going to work better for me than "fighting" to subdue it... Not very Taoist of me, come to think of it! Oh well, another lesson learnt! Yes, I grew up somewhat shameful of masturbation and even my "lustful" thoughts, so I've been through that... I'm not much for seeing it as dirty anymore, as I know that those inhibitions and self-shame I had did far more damage to me than masturbation... I'm not shameful of it anymore, but I would want to learn retention. I just checked out Trunks site, a lot of good stuff there! Will read much more! - BTW, Trunk recommends a vibration platform, will this help with releasing stagnant/trapped Jing? - Also thinking about getting an Aneros for massaging my prostate in the future... What do you think about the Maxwell Multiple Climax method I mentioned by the way? Is masturbation until right before point of no return, then stopping all stimulation and feel your body and breathing (with no forcing energy or muscles) a good way? If it can lead to me developing MMO abilities, it kind of sounds like a water method to me (even though I know it's a Western invention, not "original").

But how could I have depleted it if I have not ejaculated much lately? Wouldn't that mean that everyone praticing retention would also deplete their genitalia of qi? What do you suggest as a solution, abstaining from all sexual activity alltogether, or just stopping jerking off? It's sort of hard to practice mastering retention and MMOs if I cannot practice solo... Oh, and please note, yes, I don't claim that it's all "holy" practice, sometimes I'm a horny bastard, but if I can combine jerking off and retention practice then that seems like a sweet deal to me... But all things in moderation of course, if that's what your suggesting?

I just wanted to check if everything is going as planned, and what the status is on the Oslo workshop? Is there anyway we can pre-book yet? Thanks Mantra68!

Hi everybody! I'm so glad I've found TaoBums, it seems for me it was my destiny to find this site at this time in my life... I keep being baffled about finding out that still so many things about my life are "unresolved", and when I thought 1/2 a year ago that I had become an adult now at 25, there are still layers peeling away and I feel there is immense growth yet ahead of me. I've done Yang Taijiquan (Erle Montaigue "flavour") for 6 years now, also do some Combat Conditioning and Qigong. Hoping to start doing Six Healing Sounds and Secret Smile, hopefully along with Kunlun very soon! As I said, 25 years old, male, live in Norway. Thanks again for letting me join, hope to grow together with you guys!

I will definitely be in Oslo, no doubt about it! Looking forward to seeing you guys, and experience this great art that you are sharing! Great that you think about us Europeans too! Mantra68: Is there something one should do to prepare for a workshop?