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Thanks guys! Agharta: Will try, thanks! Trunk: Great collection of links, thanks! Fletch: Will do man, I feel I have to master this as part of my path, cool if we can share experiences and tips. Btw, agharta and Trunk, have you guys had success with this? Did it take long? Was it hard to achieve dry orgasms using the anal breathing, or did it come easily once you were able to isolate the right muscle? What about PC contractions? Since doing a lot of Kegels and misguided Mantak Chia practices for years (without actually getting there) my PC is quite strong and contracts like hell when an ejaculation is imminent. I also have a near reflex now to sqeueeze my PC hard if an ejaculation feels threateningly near... Do I have to NOT squeeze the PC at all (I remember reading something from that Alan Ritz book that squeezing the PC only once will activates the Sympathetic Nervous System as opposed the the Parasympathetic Nervous System that is hooked up to the "anal" muscle, and so everything is ruined and you have to start all over) or doesn't it matter? Thanks!

I just wanted to butt in (no pun intended... or? ) and say: GREAT post! I am trying to figure this very thing out myself these days, and was planning to post asking the same question! Anyone have any good tips on how to achieve this, isolate the tailbone muscle and achieve dry orgasms using Dr. Lin's method? Cheers!

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everybody, and thanks for being here to exchange ideas with and enlighten me!

Yes, that is all you are doing. You say that like it's a BAD thing!?

Hi HupGerk! VERY interesting indeed! That must mean I'm not as crazy as I thought... Don't know if that is a good or bad thing though... I guess if everything is connected it's only natural that also plants can communicate and "feel", to me it's like every living thing on earth is one of the 10,000 faces of the Tao.

I'm not really talking about pain on a scientific level here, I'm talking about the perception of that living thing of it's life being taken. If we are all connected, then there might be truth in the fact that plant can perceive things as well, perhaps it's not the plant itself (a soul) but the facet of the Tao that is represents that store these thoughts etc? I don't really know, but for some years now I've felt that trees are more "intelligent" than I thought before, and I feel they are indeed aware of me as I am aware of them. They have a purpose here as I have a purpose here. If they are indeed aware, I guess they would also have a "thought" about being chopped down, even if they don't have a central nervous system? Still just rambling on!

Please prepare for late-night ramblings: Yes, I think the connectedness is the key in my way of thinking about this. I'm just reading a book written by a woman who I've met on a few occasions, she is the "horse whisperer" of my ex-girlfriend. Really an interesting woman, she has travelled and trained with medicine men and beduins among others. At an early age she learned to communicate with animals, and she can also communicate with plants and get images from stones etc as I understand it too. In this book she describes her "conversations" with animals but also trees. I find it remarkable, if true, that the trees have such an advanced "mind" as well, although I suspect it's more of a facet of the Everything we're all a part of. I have a hard time deciding if they have "souls" or if it's just a facet of the Everything (Tao) that we are all a part of. She also describes a lumberjack who hears the trees cry before he chops them down. If it's true, it could be argued that it's no worse to kill an animal than a plant, even though I know most vegetarians do NOT accept such a notion. But, of course, it feels worse for a human to kill a deer than pulling up a plant to eat it's root, so it might be that there is a difference, or merely it feels different because the animal feels closer and more similar to us. One thing I've been pondering, and that I guess animals feels like WEIRD, is that we are their friend in one moment, and then kill them in "cold blood" in the next. I think a sheep knows that the wolf is it's "enemy", that it's natural that it will kill it, and that that's "OK", and they never interact. However, humans can feed them, pet them, and then suddenly kill them! That feels weird for them I guess, and the same woman I described told of a horse that told her the people on the farm went crazy and killed all the pigs for Christmas one year. He was very traumatized by what he felt was them going insane and killing the pigs in cold blood, the same pigs they had fed and petted throughout the year. The best would be if we killed livestock in the forest I guess, this removing ourself too far from Nature and it's hierachy has fucked up a lot of things. Chris: Anyway, I guess from a Kunlun standpoint though, eating meat will not hinder enlightenment and attaining the Dragon Body?

Hi Chris! I'm attended the Norwegian Kunlun seminar in May, even though I haven't practiced for months now... I've been doing all kinds of work on a new appartment, and been telling myself I will start up soon, but to be honest, I think it's been kind of a block for me, a fear of what I might break through next, but I've said I'm going to start during the Christmas holiday, and keep doing it, as I know it is good for me! Thanks again for the practice and the hugs at the end of the seminar, it was life-changing (yes both!) and I am forever grateful! Anyway, I've been meaning to ask this question on the Kunlun forum, but since you brought it up here (funny how these things seems to happen by themselves... ) I might as well ask here: I feel like I need to eat meat to keep my strength and health at this point, especially since I've had some problems with kidneys (energetic, not physical kidneys). And, I guess I feel that we have to kill to survive either way, either plants or animals. However, a friend of mine is strict vegetarian and tries to convince me that killing animals for meat is wrong. I do see the compassion-issue here, but I guess I've told myself until I'm stronger and perhaps less dependant upon meat I will continue eating it. However, my question was, from yours and Max's viewpoint, how does compassion and killing of animals to get energy from their meat fit in? How can we "justify" having animals killed for our benefit? How does it fit in, as high-level masters eat meat, they must know something that makes killing animals not so wrong, as they are all about compassion? OK, it can help us attain higher spiritual states, but it doesn't seem to benefit the animal for us to kill it, so I am a bit torn these days, even though I continue to eat meat and probably will in the future too. How can we justify killing animals so that the meat can help us? I suspect it has to do with the "circle of life" and that taking of life has to be done to survive anyway, and that we are all connected, just like the Native Americans thought, but I get confused when I read about Buddhists saying that having animals killed for your benefit (which I guess we can say it is, even if the kill is not ordered by you) or killing that yourself is bad for your karma... Would be interesting to know! Cheers!

Yeah, I know, I just LOVE Oogway! They really managed to bring the feeling of an authentic Taoist sage with him, to a higher level than what I had expected. He actually imparted some real wisdom there! It was just so perfect when he dissolved back into the Tao, I have to admit, I almost choked up on that one... Haha Not because it was sad, but because it was so perfect! If you haven't seen the movie DO! Not only for Oogway, it's good fun too. I laughed at the father-son relationship between the panda and the duck many times!

Joined too!

Oh, did not know that, I just read that the bamboo salt is the "byproduct" when making Tao salt. Interesting. So how much less effective would the bamboo salt be? How are they different and why? Are they basically the same only Tao salt is the turbo version? Still, it might be a coincidence, but some of the posts in this thread and the hair regrowth thread have very spam-like qualities... Might be that I've been online for too many years, but these things are popping up everywhere now, so I always get a bit cautious... No fingers pointed though!

Seems to me like those Biodrux/Plurbis people are really spamming this thread if you ask me... Why buy 200g for 300 bucks when you can buy 1000g for around 150 bucks? Check out: http://cgi.ebay.de/Bamboo-Salt-Bambussalz-...id=p3286.c0.m14

I've been trying to "master" Male Multiple Orgams (MMOs) without ejaculation for a long while now... I started out with Mantak Chias book "The Multiorgasmic Male", and did the clenching of the PC muscle. I became quite proficient, but I only ever did the manual stuff, and would go usually too far (beyond the point of no return) and then clench my PC muscles as hard as I could, resulting in holding the ejaculate back for a while until my PC muscles were exhausted, upon which point some ejaculate would drip out, or I'd pee it out later. After a while I came to the conclusion that this wasn't healthy, and it wasn't really helping my premature ejaculation either, as I'd focus on getting to the "price" of orgasm, and then clench. I was really overly focused on not ejaculating. For a year after that, I met a wonderful girl who helped me open up sexually (I was quite inhibited). During this time I did not practice retention (except for a few times when we'd done it more than once during a short time, and I felt it was time to not come, which wasn't a problem then, and came quite naturally). This time was no problem for me, and I also feel that since it was sex with a woman, as opposed to sex with myself, the loss of sperm wasn't as big a deal, as I perhaps gained some energy from her as well. Back to being single, I've started dabbling in retention again, wanting to master MMOs before the next girl might come along... I got a hold of a great DVD, Maxwell Multiple Climax, which basically involves this: - Masturbate until you are as close to the point of no return as you can, and then stop and wait for 10-30 seconds. This is said to train the body to not associate ejaculation with orgasm, and after a while you will have full body orgasms without ejaculation. There are some more advanced stuff for couples too, but I'm just doing this basic thing. Does this seem like a good and healthy approach to retention and MMOs? What I like about it is that there's no forcing anything, so I get more inside by body and "listen" to the reactions. It's been called Tantra light. I would definitely recommend people checking it out, if not for anything else, then the cheezy video! One problem I have though is that the old PC squeeze from Chia (which I of coure also did wrong, not knocking Chia) still is programmed to trigger if I go over the top and past the point of no return. Instead of letting it go and ejaculate and learn from it, I often (almost involuntarily) clench my PC muscles and try to hold the ejaculate back. But, I'm getting better at letting go... :-) I think my reason for wanting to hold back my ejaculation so bad is that my Jing is somewhat weak, so I tend to get a sore lower back and feeling drained when ejaculating (which is, no doubt, worsened by my mind focusing so much on it, so I feel these past times I've ejaculated and felt good about it has done me good). However, yesterday I did my usual practice (masturbation and stopping short of ejaculation/point of no return). My prostate/PC always contracts a lot right before the point of no return, and I guess it can become a little sore with extended practice. BUT, yesterday suddenly I had some pain in what felt like my PC muscles, from the lower ab (where the bladder is), to the bottom of my penile shaft, and through the entire "inner" shaft of the penis, extending all the way back to the anus. I didn't think too much of it, and went to my Taijiquan-training as usual. When I got back home, the pain had gotten much worse, and urinating was painfull as hell. It made me think of a kidney stone, but I don't think it's that... I went to bed, but this morning it wasn't much better, so I went to the doctor, bringing a urine sample. They tested it and said there were no infections. The doctor didn't have time to see me today, so I got an appointment for Thursday if I don't get better. The pain when urinating though seems to lessen if I try to breathe and relax my muscles, and it's really only bad at the start and the end of the urination (there seems to be some muscle, probably the PC?, opening and closing then). My question though is: Could this be my prostate that's swollen, or do you have another explanation? Could it be that I've pulled some muscles/ligaments? What could I do to allievate this? Would ejaculation at this point help me, or worsen it until the swelling has subsided? I've read about stuck Jing, and I guess it could be that, but it's not more than 1 1/2 weeks since I last ejaculated... If my age is any concern with this, I'm 25 years old. Thanks for reading through all of this, and sorry for my English (not my first language)...

Is it easy to accomplish? Can this help with retention, or is there another purpose to this? Thanks for taking your time to answere here Santiago!

I feel that I've grown as a human after getting a job. Since I work as a consultant, I have to work with different people, and I have to adapt and learn how to deal with different situations. I consider the people giving me a hard time sometimes as my teachers (in a spiritual sense), although I may not always think so at the moment... As for the wife and kids, yeah, if the Tao puts these on my path, I will be happy about it. I guess societal conditioning made me yearn for these things when I was younger, and I guess I still do sometimes. However, I don't see it as my birth right. An ex girlfriend of mine asked me about these things the other day, and I said "if Life puts these on my path, I will be happy about it, but if not, then so be it. I cannot despair if so doesn't happen". She was very baffled about my answer, and asked "what will you do if you don't marry and have children?". I answered "eat, sleep, work, meditate and work out (both physical and spiritual)". "Oh, so you'll make your life about work then?" she said. "No", I answered, "I won't make my life about anything, I'll just breathe in, breathe out and die", thinking I was being very clever, but also very true, as that's how I feel... There are things I want, but I have come to a point where I have accepted that I might never have these, and there's nothing I can do about that but accept it. About the wife part, I hope I one day am so lucky to find a lady who I'll love enough and she'll love me enough that we get married, yes. But one of my problems is of course that I have BAD approach anxiety, and I don't even dare talk to (attractive) girls I don't know... A big hindrance, I'm trying to work through it, by no luck yet... So, at this point, unless I'm introduced to that girl through my friends (or she'll approach me) it doesn't look too good... Most girlfriends I've had in the past have been interested in me and made contact/approached (which still today, most girls don't do), but for most of them, I wasn't as interested as they were, and so I didn't invest too much in the relationship... A certain amount of love has to be there too! I blame it on the combination of getting into relationships I shouldn't be in, and the folly of youth... As for kids, I am good with kids, and I love playing with them and being around them, so I hope to one day to be able to care for a kid and share with him/her the things I've found and the things I hope will make them better off in this world! Oh well, enough rambling!

Haha, yes, all the other "cool" names very taken, so I chose the name of good ol' master Invincible Yang...! Don't worry, lineages can be good to know that there is some level of authenticity, but when talking about Montaigue most outsiders don't really believe that he is connected to the Yang Shou-hou lineage, anyway. But who gives a damn anyway, ehh? As long as what you do makes you happy, and fulfils the purposes you think it should, then I couldn't care less! And if Montaigue single-handedly invented all the stuff he teaches like some people have suggested, then the man must be a bloody genius! Not that he isn't of course... Oh yes, stick with your "family" man, that's important! There needs to be more than just a bunch of guys beating each other up, there has to be a connection as well! Peace and love! Espen

These days I do mostly Yang Cheng Fu 108 form, some push hands and a little bit of small san sau. Also some Bagua (monkey form) and 12th Wudang form every once in a while. Cool, another fellow Erle Montaigue-student?

Hahaha, I love your answer Chris! - During my pratice last night I thought how stupid it is of me to be interested in all of the history of Max and his students, the history of Kunlun, where did it come from, what happened here and there... Granted, the mind loves to delve into these things and find out every little detail, but it occured to me (as I already knew of course) that this doesn't matter squat as what matters is the practice. Even if Max was a rodeo clown who invented the practice while high on E it wouldn't matter, as the practice speaks for itself. "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet". Not that I'm calling Max (or you Chris) a rose... Or maybe I am? Love you guys! Give my best to the ET (or was it rodeo clown...?)!

Hmm... I also noticed he said left over right with Kunlun and right over left with Red Phoenix, but he didn't explain it to in further detail. He did for you? They said you could do Kunlun, Red Phoenix and then closing down in one session, and I've been doing that some days. I've usually just closed down with left over right, but maybe I should have done right over left since I did Red Phoenix last? My feeling is it doesn't matter that much, but maybe it does? Mantra68? Anyone?

I guess it doesn't really matter, but I still find it very interesting, so does anyone know anything about how Max staged his own death and what he did during his missing years? How many years was he "missing"? Chris wrote that he did this to distance himself from the Haiwaiian community/students, why was this? Did he want to start anew? - I can only echo what Anette L said, I had somewhat high expectations to finally meet Max, since I'd read so much about him, and he did NOT disappoint, he felt very genuine and caring to me, and I felt like he had this amazing inner calm. And his eyes... They are really something, so deep! I got the feeling that "this man has been through a LOT", that there are centuries of wisdom behind those eyes. That his two assistants (Chris and another guy, didn't catch his name, long reddish hair, anyone?) also seems very caring and genuine and also share that same playfulness and serenity add to the feeling that they (Max & co) are indeed very legit.

Happy birthday you guys! Have a GREAT day and rock out!

Oh, OK, I actually got this in my mind at one point (that I should only do every other day), but I dismissed it. Guess I should listen more to my intuition! I will definitely try this, please say thanks to Max for me! Must add, today's session was different, more powerful yet more sublime and took away some of the headache! But I'll start out with every other day for a while and then gradually increase. I know, when I get out of my head everything is better! Was great meeting you too Chris, I hope it wasn't the last time!

Mantra68: Chris, I've been doing Kunlun every night since the workshop, but I gotta say I don't have the same strong effect I did at the seminar. I guess that's only normal, seeing as at the seminar I was given energy transmissions from Max (and you too I think? I kept my eyes closed...), and there was this great group energy that just grew stronger. I get the bouncing and stuff though, so I'll just keep at it and hopefully things will start to happen. One question though: - These past days I've had this pressure in my head, like a small head ache. It's mostly in my forehead. It started on Monday morning and has just stayed more or less (not just when I'm practicing, all the time). What could this be? When the Kunlun energy wants to shake my head around I tell it to take it easy as my head hurts a bit then, and it slows down. I've been thinking it could be energy stuck in my head, but I do the close down (although not always for the full 20 minutes). I've been trying to do the close down and focus on my lower dan tien. Should I also "will" or imagine the energy flowing down there from my head, or just put my focus there and breathe? I've been doing the latter mostly. I've also felt a bit more tired than usual these past days, so I was wondering if there could be a connection... Thanks Chris, not only for answering here, but for everything!

I don't know... I was one of the three guys who did the "Ninja demonstration" with Max. I wore brown pants and a shirt with japanese characters. I tried to talk to some people, but I was kind of in my head (or rather spaced out) after some of the Kunlun, and by nature I'm a shy guy, so I didn't talk to everybody. But man, once I warm up you can't shut my mouth up! And I feel Kunlun is already having an effect on this side of me, making me want to connect more with the world and the people around me, which is gooood! The Bagua sounds cool (even though I can't exactly make out all the movements from your descriptions, but it sounds very Bagua-like from your description, so big kudos to you for it! )! TKDer ehh? I used to do TKD, did it for 7 years. Now I've done Taiji for nearly 7 years, I dropped TKD when I started Taiji as I felt they were uncompatible for me at the time. Now I could probably do both if I wanted, but there's the time aspect, and I want to get more into Bagua as well so... SO glad we have Taobums! And Chris mentioned that the Kunlun Forum would be opened (it's practically finished) when they arrive back in USA in June. That's also when their new and improved Kunlun book (which will be published by a big French publishing company he said) will be released. All people who have attended a seminar will be given access to the Kunlun Forum! Cheers!

Of course Yoda, how silly of me! ANOTHER Tao Bum present at the seminar I didn't talk to?! Maan! Who were (or are I guess!) you Heidi?