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For the main Abrahamic religions it seems clear that they have two parts, Islam > Sufism, Christianity > Gnosticism, Judaism > Kabbalah, but most of the general public seem not to be aware that they need the second part of the religion to know what is to be done with the first part of the teachings.

According to Ouspensky, it is a fact that a series of secret teachings can lead people to the higher degree of spiritual practice. The common reader assumes that extremely misterious things are passed down trough millenia by esoteric schools.

That's not completely true because the only true teaching that can lead you to complete enlightment is extremely simple and his method is the method of no-method of Zen.

All the other stuff like chakras works, chi mai cultivation and so forth are means to reach a minor stage of the path in very short time, but this does not mean that it's impossible to make progress without thoose things.

According to vajrayana practitioners who play hard with chi mai, chakras, etc..., dzogchen is a higher eaching which encompass the chi mai cultivation.

Just look at the italian saint Padre Pio. He achieved incredible results without knowing secrets method of cultivation. He had only christian means and he applied that in the proper way with high intensity.

He had no esoteric super-master like Gurdjieff.

So does anyone know of where the real schools still exist? or is it all just done in scattered oral teachings now?

A lot of school make all sorts of claims today, but most of them are just rituaistic voidness.

I suggest to look before anchorites and hermits of our time to learn practices that works for sure... and than work hard toward enlightment

Becoming one with the Tao has a wide range of meanings because the REAL TAO cannot be expressed

by words.

Achieving Tao means long lasting and never ending because when you reach the Tao,

then you understand the inner order of balance inside apparent caos of creation.

When you see it, you can flow with it as the Heaven does. And flowing means never end.

Achieving Tao means to see your true face, your true nature in a place where your idea of being

does not exist.

But this is only one of the early stages in taoist cultivation according to the few practical text avaliable.

It could be approximately similar to the culmination of the four buddhist dhyanas.

From that point on, taoist cultivation have different objectives.

A taoist always try to remain centered in Tao.

When you are dating, you are polarized in order to get sexua...ehm a lovely relation.

If you have desire for dating, then you have not attained the Tao.

In this case, a true taoist will meditate until the Tao of Wu-Wei is achieved

and then follow the natural flow of nature that could eventually lead to a relationship... or not. The important thing is Wu-Wei.

So, there is no taoist approach to dating... but "being in the Tao" which is wordless.

Wonderful!

They've found my early diaries at the end

Talking seriously, I'm very excited for this discovery which is extremely important

for those who never give much emphasis to old dead written words.

The others will just ignore

Wow. That's about as clueless as it gets. High marks for presumption as well.

Yes

I strongly suggest "The way of Power" and "The way of energy" by Lam Kam Chuen...

instead of this one.

I'm sorry for the autor of the "book of nei kung", but next time call it basic gymnastics which fits better.

Frank Rudolph Yung is another guy who presents much more effective exercise for

overall wellbeing.

But it's not nei kung please. Books of gymnastic...

I've read it.

It appears very basic, nothing astonishingly.

It show some exercise and some poses... I'm not sure the autors

have actually tested that routine before publishing.

The guy in the video is amazing... I think that if you are not a big deal, capoeira cannot make you a great fighter.

For this, you need muay thai

The Dharma is not a philosophy. Start practicing and see for yourself. Why should I prove anything to you? It is YOU what matters the most. If I show you now my ability to change water into wine, how does this benefit you?

 

The problem with many people is that they can't see past the siddhis, which is another form of sustaining a non-existing ego.

The problem here is that there are a lot of words as "maya" "non-existing-ego", realisation etc...

This stuff have a practical meaning only at a certain level... for guys like me, it's just dogmatic belief.

Walking 400 km in that way will surely change you, but into what? Is that enlightment?

Living 20 years in a tropical island will change you also.

Enlightment is beyond my comprehension, so I go on one step at a time.

Achieving siddhis like talking with spirits and so forth is a wonderfull step towards enlightment

from my point of view.

Very very nice! =)

That aside, nocturnal emissions are quite common when people give up masturbation or normal sexual relations. The body has a way of cleansing itself of fluids on its own, so if you decide to give it up one way, then it invariably finds a way to do it some other way.

This is true for urines, but semen is not a waste material.

Things are quite different.

While you cannot stop yourself from producing urine,it is possible

to stop the production of semen and uses the energy involved, in a different way.

This is the theory behind the methods that prove a man can stay for long periods without sexual activity.

I really despise those people who teach young men and women that they need to be ashamed of sex or that somehow sex is wrong or bad, those people are really just plain evil, no other way to say it. More often than not, the people giving these lectures, are the same ones that go out to visit the prostitutes (seriously) or something else considered deviant. If you don't believe me, just look at all the scandals involving holy men of most religions, not just Catholics, but Buddhists, Muslims, and Hindu's as well.

I'm totally agree.

Those people deny sexuality and this same power take revenge by driving them mad (phedophilia...).

But there is someone who want to preserve (not deny) his/her sexuality and use it for different

purpose. This is not evil.

 

Now my question is should i just get myself to ejaculate again naturally and then start over the abstaining process or should i just not even bother as this is a "minor" injury? (Im not really sure if i actually injured my ejaculatory system or not, so now im just confused if i should do something about it or just let it be)

I suggest to let things flow.

If your body (physical or energetic) need a discharge, then it will trigger those things,

your testicles will be tense at any time and you will feel a subtle discomfort peeing (this can easily go

worst).

The best thing you can do is to let "natural celibacy" eventually occur.

This happens when your mind is purified (no porno movie, no erotic fantasy, etc...)

and your sexual energy is required for something else (MCO and storing for esample).

When your sexual energy is actually in use and not stagnate, the urge to ejaculate will disappear ... naturally.

Until you chase the tiger flirting with girls =)

If you are not using the excess energy, there is no reason at all to undergo this torture

because you have to teach your body how to use it. Your body will continue to put

sexual energy in your groin area until finally you release, if not teach properly by meditation.

Please never sleep on your abdomen also :-D

Let's say you are consorting with something that is not of this plane. This entity says that it is your ancestor, how do you know if it is telling the truth? How do you know that you aren't being duped into subservience. I mean from a demons perspective, what better way to get a living entity to do your bidding?

 

This is the problem I see with lineages, if people do live on after death then there are malicious and malevolent entities as well as kind and loving ones. How do you know you are consorting with your ancestor or a demon? Even more than that, how do you know it's not just your imagination?

 

I'll admit I've seen some pretty extraordinary things, although I have never assumed any of it was anything other than unknown.

I like your thoughts because they make sense. Unfortunately, very few people test their comprehension on

this topic and they decide to be happy with some praeter-natural phenomena.

For some,spirits and ghosts cannot lie. This the case of John Chang as Kosta Danaos reported.

For others, they should undertake some tests in order to verify their identity and check if they have the proper knowledge.

For example, you can ask them to write their names in astral matter... it is said that a spirit cannot write

the name of another entity, unless it is strictly related to him.

In order to do this you can use a black mirror or a crystal ball.

What I think it is best is to have a spiritual ally, a guide or a deity that you can trust and

ask him to check the spirit. This is the way of the shamans.

SO, the most important thing is to have a qualified "link" to an entity you can trust. A guru, a master shaman,

a taoist wizard... and you should learn from them the way to interact.

In the case in which you are forced to interact with a spirit and you don't know if he is what he claims to be,

then you can only see if it produces positive effects in your life or not. That's the way of the newagers... sometimes it works. =)

Phosphenism is about yoga-oriented practices that lead to spiritual experiences.

They talk about experience and tecniques that mix visualization with light hallucinations...

I'm intrigued with lucid dreaming since 2007.

I consider this practice as a "gateway" for perception of subtle reality, the spirit world, the astral plane... from which -ideally- our physical matter come.

There are different approach for achievement and what I find that works best is

energy system of qigong.

If visualization is involved is much more better.

Visualization activates the pineal gland which is the real DEAL for exploration of other worlds.

Someone suggest to create an astral double for projection. I believe that this method works only because of the strong visualization involved.

The key for success is named pineal gland.... which is in some way related to sexual energy.

Interesting! Thanks!

In the picture that you posted with the MCO, I can see that there are different points from HT Chia's system. For example, sperm palace is not present.

The reason is that Chia try to integrate water path MCO( inside the spine) and fire path MCO (along the spine) ?

There's a specific form of qigong shaped for the opening of Chong Mai channel? Or It is a natural process that eventually occurs when the fire path is cleared?

Thanks

But as usual, this probably will not stop anyone. Once started, better to finish? If people want to do this stuff they'll do it but I really think (after having done it) that there are safer methods. Many of them are discussed here. In fact most of the foundational stuff is "out there" at this point and only requires practice.

I think that an advanced practioner of Qi-Gong can learn from a book (or even a damaged audiocassette) everything about an esoteric practice like Tummo.

That's because He can feel clearly his energy moving and he is deep in touch with his inner self and his body.

A completely beginner can only do exactly what masters teach, hoping that masters can see what he's moving and how.

He haven't a good sensation of his energetic body.

For this reason, practice could change slightly from person to person .. because practice is not God's word, but human's method.

I'm interested in the safer method that can open tummo's channel . Because in this way we can comprehend clearly if the vajrayana's central channel is the spine or not.

I believe it is the spine, but monks visualize it in front of the spine.

Thanks

Thanks juju !

 

I am happy to have this permission and guidance. Yes, I am absolutely convinced that the right teacher helps so much; makes everything so much easier! It is the absolutely very best thing that happened in my life: to find my teacher.

 

Did you learn tummo in a 3 years retreat?

Do you think that tummo can work even without ngodro-ing for months before and during retreat?

Hi Niklas and DAO rain TAO,

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Thanks!!

As far as I understand what he advocated was similar to karezz which means the couple rmeain more or less still iwhtout anymovement, they keep the breathing deep and the energy cool and do nothing to increase arousal or anything cnciously to move energy. Once you do this for long enough and many enough ays in succession the enrgy starts to move by itself in a natural pattern going from the mans base chakra into that of the female, ascends to her heart chakra where it is sent back to the male and then it goes down to his base again and arround.

This is just fantasy: working with sexual energy is about "reverse" the natural flow, not enhancing a natural flow in relaxation.

The practice of karezza is usefull for increasing pleasure of the ejaculatory orgasm and to prolong the sexual intercourse. You can also connect with your partner...

but, if you do not ejaculate in these practice you could have some problems.

In sexual alchemy you need orgasm energy from both: women in gnosticism cannot have orgasms... where I can take female ying energy in this way??

The proof of uselessness of gnostic sexual practice is a friend of mine who plays this stuff from 2008. He cannot even astral project (second chackra siddhi, almost basic thing)...

He told this to me. Altough he is going on this practice with faith...

Gnostic talk about a Sacred Church in astral dimension which no one -of them- can reach !

ok... there's some egomaniacs who claims to have all kind of supernatural power, without demonstration obviously

In Master Samael's viewpoint the alchemy provides the raw materials for both the annihilation of the ego and the raising of the kundalini. The objective is to raise the level of one's consciousness for the benefit of all living beings.

The final goal is immortality. In the pathway you must develop self-sacrifice to reach a higher state.

Samael stuff is waste material from outer source.

What a daoist qi-gong practitioner can see immediately is that Samael tells his disciple to practice retention during sexual intercourse... the problem is "what about the channel?": you should open your psychic channel first... and they should be greatly open! Otherwise dense sexual energy cannot pass.

Samael never speak about channel to open... just do the practice until one day you get sick...

The other things from Samael are pseudo-esoterism: ritual taken from O.T.O., fantasy about tibetan masters and a mythical lineage from which Samael claim to attain his knowledge... ask Dalai Lama, about him... and then laugh loudly!

That is not esoterism

Ahh, perhaps I misunderstood your initial question - where you trying to ask instead about the breathing channels from Tantric Buddhist Qigong (Jiujie Fofeng)?

Thanks for the reply!

Can you tell us something about tantric buddhist qigong?

Very interesting!

Siddhis are not metaphors.

In vajrayana, the old masters had these kind of supernatural power: es. Jigmey khemnpo.

One of the greatest siddhi that you can find today is the "breath control"...

Tantra is a method that focus on using the power of desire (the most powerfull force in the universe because desire gave birth to the universe).

The power of desire is used to attain spiritual development and liberation through body exercise (similar to Qi-gong... but, from my point of view they are lesser refined and faster in attaining results with a little bit of risk), Mantra repetition used both to move/cultivate energy in the body and worship divinity.

Yantra is a visual technology in wich you focus on divinity (related to a specific type of prana -or qi-) and do worship.

What you can find in tantric practices more than in qi-gong is the God/Goddess worship methods including mantra, yantra and so on...

By these type of things, you can do magical works, healing and faster your own growth.

But you need trasmission by a living master (more than in simply body exercise transmission) because the master can connect you with the force of the God/Goddes for the tantric worship.

Sorry for bad english

Hope to be usefull