Jetsun

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1 hour ago, dwai said:

Thanks for your honest explanation dwai. I relate more to the first half of your words than the second half, but I don't really see how the expansion that Jeff plays with is related to the first part of what you talk about. Yes these planes exist beyond what most people consider regular mind but what do they have to do with awakening? What do they have to do with ending non-separation?In all the posts I have seen the light workers write I have never got the impression that they have got that first part, Jeff has said to me that he sees differentiation though all levels.. in other words separation. So I don't really see how they are related

Coming back on topic.. say some guy is way above "super guru" level then so what, why is that a good thing? What's the use? 

21 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

I dont think anyone is questioning Mother Meera's good name.  We are simply discussing the way Jetsun was describing what she was doing.  The issue is more in the same post he made a statement about using drugs to realize God.

 

I cannot ever imagine someone like Mother Meera telling people that using things like LSD (and other drugs) would be an effective path.

I have clarified that I don't endorse drugs and don't endorse it as a path, as I said it was just an analogy for the importance of being here.

1 minute ago, Jeff said:

 

Hopefully, that was a simple misquote or lack of understanding.  LSD or any form of drugs cannot bring you to God. But, drugs can definitely give you some fun experiences and trips.

That is what Ram Dass says happened, no misquote

1 minute ago, Jeff said:

 

 

Again, I think you are misunderstanding what I was previously saying. Also, one does not "bring down" grace. Grace is not something beyond or above you.  Grace is also not something that you can take drugs and suddenly receive.

Grace is always available it is just a matter of opening to it, so a drug could help open you up to grace by lowering your defences and opening you to what is already there trying to move you. Not that i'm massively into drugs though or recommend them, my original mention of them was more to highlight that what really matters is being here not in some other realm.

There is no doubt in my mind that Mother Meera brings down grace to help people in their most difficult suffering and karmic issues though, there are thousands of people she has helped and have stories about it. I know someone personally who received her Darshan just once and it completely changed his life, he transformed his life from one dedicated to selfish egotism to one of service almost overnight after seeing her.

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

 

If someone is on an acid trip, they are not accessing any higher or formless realms. They are simply playing around in their own mind/subconscious. 

Maybe, maybe not, where do you think all these levels exist except not within mind? There is a story about when Ram Dass went to India and would go around giving LSD to Guru's and Saints to see how they react, then he met Neem Karoli Baba and he gave him enough LSD to knock out a horse and nothing happened, Baba then went on to tell him that LSD can bring you do God but ultimately its no use as you can't stay there with that method

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

 

Also, if it is taking a toll on the nervous system, then the person is not residing at those levels. Believing that you are person, that is somehow pulling the light through your head and out your eyes is local mind duality, and is not at all the same as being the light itself.

It took toll because she was bringing that level down to this human level, bringing grace down to where people most need it in their bodies and in their lives, which has outstanding results for human transformation, she wasn't just hanging out in some transcendent realm for fun or for a holiday. You gain mastery over it by both being the light,being beyond the light and being nothing.

1 hour ago, blue eyed snake said:

 

could you point me to a place were I can read about that?

Not sure it's written about anywhere, its more from talking to people who have been following her over the decades and who have observed her state over time. 

I heard this story about a guy who took a really high dose of acid who during his trip started going through all the realms, so went through hell realms and heaven realms and all sorts of different places getting higher and higher until he finally broke through the highest realm.. to realise he was back exactly where he started, right here, now, this is it. 

The hardest and most challenging thing I think is to bring back whereever you go into your humanity, into now, otherwise whats the point , otherwise isn't it just another form of avoidance? Avoiding being here. 

There is a really interesting book about Mother Meera I read who was tutored as a child by Sri Aurobindo, and as a child they would visit all these different realms together , but she would go higher and higher until she broke through to a divine realm, but rather than stay there she found a way to bring down the Paranatman light from the divine realm into our humanity. So if you now go to see her in person she becomes a channel and brings down this divine light first through her hands into your head and then through her eyes into your body, the result of which dissolves people's most difficult karmic knots. She could probably hang out in the divine formless realm if she wanted, but it wouldn't be much use to anyone else, actually her doing that took a toll on her nervous system for many years so there is something noble and an element of sacrifice in her work, fortunately she now appears to be getting stronger. 

So if somebody is hanging out some place else so what?  Must be nice for them to take a holiday or extended break from being in the messiness that is our humanity, but at some point they have to come back. 

Why 785 million and not the whole of humanity?

7 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

My point was really regarding the sub point that RV brought up regarding group dynamics and cross energy stuff. One has to be pretty sensitive to energy flows to notice the differences in the early stages. That is why I posted the thread in the first place as the topic and what people noticed.

 

But, if you are specifically asking how many people are currently connected (or have the potential) to this “shift”, the number is approximately 785 million currently living people.

All I'm saying is that I know plenty of people who are acutely sensitive to energy flows, some of whom it is their full time job to be aware of them and have been refining their sensing capacity for decades , and none them have reported any shifts in the past few days as far as I'm aware.

It is possible for groups to have energy shifts and even lineages to get bumps, but to project that onto the world at large is up for question if nobody else anywhere is noticing it. 

The group I was referring to isn't any group in particular, just the few people in this thread who have replied affirming that they have noticed a difference. 

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

 

Excellent point. Guess it just depends upon how big the group happens to be.  

How big is this group who have detected a shift over the last few days?

This isn't a phenomena I have found other people talking about in the various energy type groups and forums I interact with over the internet. Nobody else I have found is talking about this except a small handful of people here.

I have been reading this book by a Psychologist/Buddhist named Bruce Tift who explains this phenomena quite clearly.

On one level it is just outdated defences from childhood trying to protect you, during their formation they are completely appropriate and formed out of love so you receive the love you need from your caregivers, but as we get older moving out of them creates fear as they are formed for survival and they don't know yet that they are no longer needed so they fight to stay alive. 

So we end up fearing many strong emotions and we also fear open awareness itself as that is the destroyer of all our defences and survival concepts.

The solution to this is essentially giving up trying to find a solution, you hold both your desire to be free and your desire for safety together at the same time in the same space without trying to find a resolution between the competing drives. There is something which has no resistance to either position and has no problem with contradictory energies, it is free in either polarity no problem.

Surely he could be charged with assault and locked up, it's quite sickening reading that. 

21 minutes ago, Arramu said:

Should we assume this is all related to the eclipse? And/or the huge recent sun flare? In what way is this impacting us if the energy seems boosting yet it causes turmoil on the grand scale?

 

Also, late to the threat as well; I've noticed most of the things mentioned already, as well. Mainly the mental part, a lot of more creative and inteliggent. And good luck. Almost like I would be manifesting (LOA/magick) a better life for myself. I noticed a person near me daily is more self-controlled = more conscious? 

Personally I was having a bad time on the eclipse, I even broke my hand :(, but for a week maybe two, I'm riding a high speed train. 

Me personally I have no idea. My sense of personal energy is influenced by a thousand things, usually far more local things such as quality of diet, whether I have been in nature, stress from work. I can tune into global energy and affairs but it doesn't feel as influential as the local.

Amma said a few months ago that the world will be in turmoil for a time after the eclipse, so for the first time in years she delayed her European tour to later on in the year when the energy will be more calm and got some of her experienced monks to chant non stop to help the process. Quite soon after her prediction there were a number of record hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, monsoons, the sun had a number of large solar flairs. So you could say the energy has been strange for a few weeks now. 

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

 

Norbu describes it very well - (as you would expect) that both are teachings of the Buddha for people of different capacities - in other words for different audiences.  At about 25 mins in or so.

 

 

Yeah I was commenting more on the time period of when they are discovered, that the reason why they are discovered isn't that the world has evolved or become lighter.

I thought the new teachings, like Terma discoveries, are for times of great need when the Dharma is dying out or there is great suffering, rather than to be discovered when the human capacity to receive them has been improved.

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12 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

 

I am quite certain this is impossible.  It doesn't matter about the Dalai Lama - its irrelevant to vajrayana as the DL specifically had a political role.  In any case and Kagyu, Nyinmapa or Sakya Buddhists don't follow him anyway.

 

And it is also unnecessary because what no one is mentioning is that there are already teachings about guru - student relationships which should be taught before any vajrayana empowerment etc.

 

This is the so called '50 verses' and its commentary 'Opening the door to the precious siddhis' by Tsarchen Losal Gyamtso. - written some time in the 16th century.

 

While most of this text dwells on how you should do what your Lama says and treat him in certain respectful ways ... there is a 'safety clause' (my term) ....

 

XXIV.  The intelligent disciple will strive willingly and joyfully to obey his lama.  If he is not able by his own intelligence and ability to carry out his orders, he should explain why, and his fault will thus be purified.

 

The the commentary quotes the Ratnakuta Sutra 'If it is a question of a virtuous order, carry it out, if not don't comply with it.'

 

Then it quotes Vagisvakirti who says 'Explain to your master that you cannot carry out his demands which are contrary to the dharma and leave his orders in abeyance.'

 

So it is quite clear that if a lama asks you to strip off, have sex or photograph your genitals (!) - then you just politely say no - and if so moved ask him where in the dharma it says this kind of thing is appropriate, where in the sangha rules of conduct this is okeyed and how would a Buddha if he were present come to make such a request.  If you discover he is committing criminal acts - then for his own sake - report him to the police.

Why is it impossible? This is a blow to the credibility of Lamaism at least in the West, I guess in counties like Bhutan and Nepal such traditions will survive, no so sure about much of the rest of the world.

I agree what you describe is the way it should be if you receive any mistreatment, but if you read the Dzongsar Khyentse piece he is basically saying in some Nyinmapa empowerments the Lama can do whatever they want in the name of breaking down your ego, and if you report it you are breaking your vows. He's representative of a kind of medieval mindset which is no longer appropriate for the modern age. 

Looks like end of the Lama system to me, especially if the current Dalai Lama ends the Dalai Lama institution when he dies , as he has suggested a few times. It's a different era where that kind of relationship generally isn't healthy any more, no need to give away your power to anyone else. 

Non-duality just means not two, it doesn't necessarily mean there is a substantial one. In practical terms there is no difference between between Avaita or Dzogchen non-duality, it's the same terrain so no matter how it is analysed or categorised with our minds the territory is beyond mind and therefore beyond all categorisations we try to impose on it. 

I have that book, it is a wonderful book one of the best out there on the subject.