Jetsun

If you are still there when meditating on emptiness then there is still a duality between you and your meditation object. Even if the meditation is emptiness if there is a duality it just means your mind has created an object which it calls emptiness. The collapse of that duality results in realisation that you are the emptiness, it is what is reading this text right now. After that it is just a matter of being what you already are. 

Being what you are will open many of the energy gates as most of them are held shut by psychic tensions which all revolve around the sense of being a seperate "I".

37 minutes ago, dwai said:

Devotion is a natural outcome of awakening imho. It is pure and unconditional love.

In one sense devotion is easier before awakening, because you have a separate object to be devoted to. Awakening in an annihilation of this duality so in one sense devotion is absurd from that perspective as you are basically worshipping yourself, yet it seems to be what goes on. 

I read an article about Nisargadatta the other day about how all the students would go and sit with him for meditation sessions where they sat as awareness, nothing do be done once you have moved beyond the I-AM except reside. But then also Nisargadatta would do devotional singing and Bhajan sessions which the Westerners often wouldn't attend, but those who did attend knew that it was in the active sessions in devotion where you got all the juice, and both types were important. 

How to bring the peace of our true nature into all the deep pockets of separation within us is the question, sometimes that does involve activity and intention in my experience, Bhajans and devotional singing appears to be a time honoured way to help this. 

The vast majority of them were killed by Mao's purges, mostly what is left are fragments and partial teachings, if you are incredibly lucky you might stumble upon a genuine oral lineage but they are incredibly rare.

Most developed industrial countries population growth slows down and eventually declines unless there is political intervention. Just look at Japan and Germany, which is basically the reason for the migrant crisis, without immigration many European countries would eventually start shrinking. 

So when China and Africa get more developed it is likely to happen there also and the world will have to develop sustainable methods of economic growth without relying on immigration.

Also the more light that is shined in the more the darkness is stirred up before being resolved , which is what is going on in the world now 

On 20/02/2018 at 9:16 PM, SHINTO said:

The time has come
For god , Allah , Elohim , Tao ,Dao
To wake up and
Save his world.
So i am calling for
Divine intervention

There is divine intervention all the time, we just don't notice it our consciousness has become too dense 

In a sense attachments are addictions, and usually we only give up addictions when we clearly see we get absolutely nothing positive out of them. As long as we believe we need them or they serve us on some level we won't let them go. 

One way to look at Karma is that it is consciousness stuck in separation, stuck in time and story. As our fundamental awareness exists outside of time and separation then liberation is about bringing that fundamental nature into those pockets of confusion, or rather bringing that forth from inside of it, so the pockets of karma wake up to their real nature. Therefore karma is ultimately unreal in this regard and any pocket of karma can be woken up and dissolved this way.

Just being with a being who is established in their ultimate nature to some extent can create the resonance in you to bring forth that nature within you without either of you doing anything. Going to Satsangs, going on retreats etc all can have a benefit of waking up karma in this way just by providing the pause and space for it to happen. 

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

 

Very interesting story.  Who was it? I would be interested in researching it a little.

I will try find the name for you 

20 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

 

Receive the grace.

 

Worrying about what attachments they have is an endless game of ego and yes fear.

 

Obviously they have less than you or else the grace wouldn't flow through. Accept what is offered.

 

I know I feel blessed each time I do.

There are some very powerful people who seemingly bring in divine love who I wouldn't work with. It is a matter of discernment. 

There was one spiritual teacher from Eastern Europe who used to do world tours and bring in big crowds. People who attended her meetings would say that they felt so much love in her presence , to the extent that they would start falling in love with her neglecting their partners. Some people I know who work with energy attended her meeting and got suspicious when they started to fall in love with her too, so they did some energetic interventions to stop the hook and to stop her from hooking others in. The next week she cancelled all her tours and has never toured again. She was hooking people in in a way which felt like a divine blessing but actually was malicious. 

1 minute ago, Jonesboy said:

 

Nope, but such attachments would hold you back, light or not.

 

Are you just assuming stuff about others and their practices or it is from personal experience you have been talking about?

Yes it holds you back, but I'm yet to meet anyone who is a completely pure conduit without issues holding them back (except maybe Ammachi who can give blessings non stop for over 16 hours without a break or rest).

I'm talking about personal experience, but as far as I can it applies universally. 

3 minutes ago, s1va said:

 

On the other hand, Krishna took credit for everything he did. But, when he says 'I' or 'Me' in Gita, it can mean two things.  In some instances, he talks of himself as Krishna, the friend of Arjuna and king of Yadhava clan.  There are other instances where he uses 'I' or 'Me' in a much broader sense to indicate. he is talking from the standpoint of non-dual Brahman.

 

If some one has non-dual experience and sees no seperation, then they might very well use the 'I' in the broader sense, like how it really means to them in the expanded sense.  To an onlooker, it might seem like the person is taking out of inflated ego.  Even in Gita, Arjuna gets confused and challenges Krishna, when he states he gave some knowledge in the beginning of creation to Sun God.  

 

Granted, everyone is not Krishna or Jesus.

Yeah that is true, yet it's only true to say that when speaking directly from that place. 

Just now, Jonesboy said:

 

If such divine grace is flowing through do you think you could achieve it with such ego?

Yes, it goes in degrees, you don't have to be completely surrendered to gain access.

Do you think you folks who work with light are somehow beyond ego already? 

Just now, Jonesboy said:

 

If it is through them that such connections happen is that a doership and then wrong?

Depends what they believe they are doing. Not wrong but if you mistake the power of the divine for your own it will inflate your ego rather than humble you and allow you to surrender. It's a very subtle area but the ego will try co-op whatever you do to try to bring it into its own domain, I know from personal experience. 

For example Jesus never took any credit for whatever miracles or healing that happened through him, he would say to the individual that their faith redeemed them. 

2 hours ago, dwai said:

However, that divine grace often can and does work through apparent individuals  

Yeah I agree, but it's when individuals claim responsibility and doership for this that it can cause problems. 

11 hours ago, C T said:

Unless something drastically transformative happens to me, I don't see myself ever reaching the level where i will be able to alleviate/burn/halt the impact of another being's karmic propensities. Maybe a teeny weeny tweak would be the best I can hope for. 

You won't ever be able to, nor will anybody else, but it can happen through divine grace. 

3 minutes ago, dwai said:

How can you not embody your chi, mind or humanity as long as we are embodied (have bodies)?

You get out of body. Just about everybody is out of body to some degree.

I can give you a long list of people who do online satsangs, where you share presence. Ultimately in such settings there is no danger other than what is released from your own psyche as there is no manipulation of the energetics, it is more like group meditation but empowered by the group field. Such Satsangs are different than remote healing sessions though where there is a specific intent to work on particular themes and issues. 

While sharing presence may have a healing quality it isn't the same thing as a real healing session, and the issue with a real healing session is what is being done or used to move the energy can vary in terms of purity, clarity and benevolence. But can also be more powerful in terms of direct healing if there is something important to target. 

I do both types, and would do a group meditation or Satsang sharing presence with anyone or any group without worry, but would only do a healing session with particular people as I wouldn't trust that all people really know what they are doing and trust the beings or energy that they work with. 

Like Silent Thunder said earlier the Chakras are already a unified field, in the sense they are already in a relationship with each other, you affect one and it influences another. But really all of life is a unified field, all interconnected all interrelated, all one. I don't see the realisation that the Chakras are a unified field is anywhere as important as realising that life is. 

1 minute ago, Jonesboy said:

 

Lot's of duality in that.

 

If you are everything, or a Buddha or One Like Siva.

 

Are chakras real?

There is duality in everything.. as well as non-duality. Being everything or being Buddha is only half the deal, you are also localised, you can't say one cell is the same as another cell they have membranes and boundaries, when you stub your toe I don't feel it in this nervous system. 

On the level of energy chakras are as real as anything else, they have functions in the human body, distinctions from one another. If you break it down you can say nothing is real, but if you take that as the only truth on all levels then you will fall into trouble. 

1 minute ago, Jonesboy said:

 

Chakras are local mind maps.

 

Some traditions have more, some less and some don't use charkas at all.

 

Also, what is the true meaning of the Heart

No chakras are energetic realities, on an energy level just as real as your internal organs. Nothing to do with mind beliefs. 

On an energetic level a chakra is a functioning part of your system, without them you would probably die or at least turn into a confused mess. I pretty much guarantee I could sense all your individual chakras one by one even those of you of think they have gone beyond them or unified them. 

When the energy goes out the top of the head it creates temporary samadhi like unified bliss consciousness, which isn't the same as awakening as awakening is about going in and through the heart. As per the way Ramana describes it anyway. Out the top of the head is temporary experience, through the heart permanent shift.

On the one hand you have the theory of rising the energy up through the Chakras until it comes out the top of the crown. Which is more a classical description. On the other hand you have the theory proposed here of going beyond the Chakras and merging them. These are two very different things and it sounds like Jonesboy is saying one and Dwai is saying another but assuming they are talking about the same thing. 

10 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

 

The shared boundary is non-duality.

 

Light is when one has moved beyond the 7 charkas and they have unified one could say

 

Jeff has talked about it many times. A little snippet.

 

Sharing presence (or space) is not the same thing as someone sending energy to another person. It is not "me" sending energy to "you" (dualistic) with the classical healer like energy connection. It is more like a being one with, or like I said in an earlier post, knowing that there is no separation, so that there is none. This "being" rather than "seeing" (two different people) is what some people like have called light (or light level). This being is not just a localized thing, but as clarity grows encompasses all.

 

 

Also, I never do anything without permission.

Non-duality doesn't really explain anything though , it just means not two. Not that anyone can really explain this space very well but I am interested in people's takes on it. On one level we are individuals with boundaries and on another deeper level there is no such distinction, I own and am this deeper being as much as anyone else is. So it appears like a paradox. Working out the functions of this space is traversing the mystery.

Merging chakras makes no sense to me, it's like saying merging your internal organs. Chakras function as energetic entities regulating your energy system, I am not aware of any tradition or lineage where the object is to go beyond or merge chakras, that seems to be something unique to you and Jeff. So I still don't really understand what you mean by going light.