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On 11/28/2023 at 7:45 PM, johndoe2012 said:What you say is true.
I have the Golden Lotus Flying phoenix meditation DVDs (level 17 according to GM Doo Wai) and he seems to fall asleep due to the deep relaxation caused by the meditations. He also mentions this in the video.
I prefer now to learn from GM Doo Wai because it is better to learn from the source.
The deep relaxation the system offers is very helpful and is the only system I have encountered so far that can provide that.
Sorry to catch up with this discussion so much later:
Yes, Golden Lotus Flying Phoenix Meditations are wonderfully powerful and sublime. As GM Doo Wai states at the start of the program, Golden Lotus is the high secret healing art of his family tradition. The one thing that he does not emphasize on his video --but implies: is that for best results, one must go through the FP Qigong levels systematically from bottom to the top. As a modern teaching of Bok Fu Pai Kung Fu and its FP Qigong, I am orthodox only to the extent that I teach others the way GM Doo Wai taught me...and I hold students to the same performance standards that GM Doo Wai held me and my classmates to. That is why I want to remind you and others to take the time and master the material in the "basic" level taught in my DVD series. Then you will have a solid base and rich foundation when you do the higher levels such as Golden Lotus FP.
Btw, the "bottom" level of FP Qigong (taught in my DVD series) is powerful enough in and of itself to make the practitioner a worker of healing miracles, as my cadre of students in the early 90's under GM Doo Wai witnessed on a regular basis, and then demonstrated ourselves. For more context, I will edit and post a Youtube video in which GM Doo Wai states that just one of the basic FP Qigong meditations is enough to empower one's healing to "bring back".
Also, I have just finalized my Zoom class schedule/agenda for December and 2024, which includes a course in Feng Do Duk's 10 San Gung Meditations: twelve weekly lessons teaching one of 10 San Gung meditations for each of the first 10 weeks, with classes #11 and #12 devoted to mastering the capstone San Gung exercise called, "The Eight Goddess Heavenly Form." The prerequisite for this class is proficiency in the first level FP Qigong system----according to my standards, meaning excellence in "Moonbeam Splashes on Water" and (Volume 4) Long Form" moving meditations AND the 8 "Monk Serves Wine" seated meditations taught in my DVD series. See my December schedule of offerings at: terencedunn.substack.com (coming soon).Sifu Terry Dunn
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19 minutes ago, Maddie said:That was a joke 😉🤭
Still, White Crane's question was interesting and worth my response. One has to be very careful in practicing FP Qigong in seclusion and with no possibility of interruptions of any kind.
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On 11/17/2023 at 11:34 AM, whitecrane said:I've been enjoying my daily practice of the FP meditations, but I have a quick question. Is it ok to get acupuncture while practicing FPCK or will it interfere with the healing qualities of the meditations?
I presume it would be best to separate FP from an acupuncture session by several hours, but will this be adequate to keep these two different healing modalities from interfering with one another?
Hi White Crane,
Ooops. I quoted "Maddie"'s post above to answer your question. Here is my answer again, nor properly addressed to you.
Yes, keep FP Qigong practice completely separated from receiving acupuncture treatements.
When practicing FP Qigong and especially while learning it, you don't want any type of interruption of disturbance of any of the FP meditations. You can certainly do FP Qigong before or after an acupuncture treatment, but under no circumstances should you have acupuncture done to you while you're practicing FP. ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Not only is any type of needling or touching of the body interruptive of the subtle state of consciousness and physiological allostasis induced by each FP Meditation and each meditation cumulatively, but as I've stated here on this thread dozens of time, FP Qigong does not follow or apply the laws of TCM--the principles of acupuncture do not apply at all to the Flying Phoenix Healing Qi cultivation. FP Qigong and the entire Ehrmei Mountain Bok Fu Pai tradition is founded and premised on a totally different cosmology than TCM--one that utilizes the positions of the sun and the moon. (Those curious about this distinction can confirm with my school brother, Sifu Garry Hearfield in Australia.) TCM is valuable and effective and works just fine. But FP Qigong and the Bok Fu Pai arts does not in any way utliize the cosmology and set theory of TCM. As demonstrated and explained by GM Doo Wai when he taught us healing with the FP Healing Qi (in comparing it to the Tao Tan Pai Energy Healing--of which I am thoroughly trained and ordained overall since 1981): "We don't manipulate energy; we just pass our hand over."
So keep your acupuncture treatments totally separated from your FP Qigong practice.
And, if you or any reader out there are an acupuncturist, NEVER give a treatment to someone who is doing an FP Meditation!! NEVER!
Thanks for your interesting question here, though.
Enjoy your further exploration of FP Qigong.
Sifu Terry
P.S. Here again is synoptic video showing lots of advanced FP seated Monk Serves Wine Meditations, followed by numerous scenes from my workshops of the standing FP Meditations and even one ultra-rare 10K Buddhas Ascending Meditation towards the end:
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On 11/19/2023 at 8:02 AM, Maddie said:Interesting I've never done acupuncture on somebody while they were practicing Qigong 🤭
Hi Maddie,
When practicing FP Qigong and especially while learning it, you don't want any type of interruption of disturbance of any of the FP meditations. You can certainly do FP Qigong before or after an acupuncture treatment, but under no circumstances should you have acupuncture done to you while you're practicing FP. ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Not only is any type of needling or touching of the body interruptive of the sublie state of consciousness induced by each FP Meditation, but as I've stated here on this thread dozens of time, FP Qigong does not follow or apply the laws of TCM--the princples of acupuncture do not apply at all to the Flying Phoenix Healing Qi cultivation. FP Qigong and the entire Ehrmei Mountain Bok Fu Pai tradition is founded and premised on a totally different cosmology that TCM--one that utilizes the positions of the sun and the moon. (Those curious about this distinction can confirm with my school brother, Sifu Garry Hearfield in Australia.) TCM is valuable and effective and works just fine. But FP Qigong and the Bok Fu Pai arts does not in any way utlize the cosmology and set theory of TCM. As demonstrated and explained by GM Doo Wai when he taught us healing with the FP Healing Qi (in comparing it with Tao Tan Pai Energy Healing--of which I am thoroughly trained and ordained overall since 1981): "We don't manipulate energy; we just pass our hand over."
So keep your acupuncture treatments totally separated from your FP Qigong practice.
And, if you are an acupuncturist, NEVER give a treatment to someone who is doing an FP Meditation!! NEVER.
Your's is one of the most interesting questions posted here, though.
Enjoy your exploration of FP Qigong.
Sifu Terry
P.S. Here again is synoptic video showing lots of advanced FP seated Monk Serves Wine Meditations, followed by numerous scenes from my workshops of the standing FP Meditations and even one ultra-rare 10K Buddhas Ascending Meditation:
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On 11/7/2023 at 9:10 PM, EFreethought said:So if someone does FPCK, should one refrain from doing other breathwork? Or is it okay if there is a span of an hour between?
I have been looking into some YouTube channels by some Wim Hof instructors (although they seem to have made some changes), some freedivers and pranayama people, and doing some breathwork and some breath holds.
Thanks for the response on the long form meditation.
Yes, refrain from doing other types of breathwork when learning FPCK for at least the first month--or at least until one has learned the system and can do all the meditations on the DVD series from memory--including the breath controls. That's a lot of memorization by body and mind. But that's how FPCK works best.
You can do other already established and familiar practices on the same days that you do FPCK. But keep the FPCK practice sessions separated from other practices by a good 3 hours.
Mixing into one's FPCK practice any other type of meditation, yoga or qigong with its different method of breathwork, mental focus, and/or visualization(s) --other than simple quiet sitting--only distracts from the FP Healing Qi cultivation and dilutes the effects of the FP exercises.
Bottom line: when starting to learn the FPCK system, separate other practices by 3+ hours--because the profound deep healing effects of FPCK will often set on again 3-4-5 hours after your practice has ended, as a good number of practitioners have described on this thread. And you don't want to miss that resurgence of FP Healing Qi...because it's a pretty blissful, startling experience in a delightful way. And doing another type of practice right on the heels of FPCK might prevent or block this resurgence.
The exception to this rule is if you already have an established practice like Tai Chi Chuan or Kung Fu forms.
Also, as I mentioned, the Tao Tan Pai kung fu system and first level Nei Kung, the Tao Tan Pai 31 Basic Meditations are perfectly fine to do before FPCK practice because the TTP-31 (a Qigong system that's as different from FPCK as night and day) just happens to act as a foundational catalyst that enhances and prolongs all the health benefits of FP Qigong.
But the basic answer is: yes, refrain.
Sifu Terry
www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html
terencedunn.substack.com
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On 11/7/2023 at 5:11 AM, Summer said:@zen-bear The testimonials in this thread have me interested. What is the time commitment required to practice this form please? I'm aware it comes on many DVDs but an overview of the foundational practices and how long it takes would be appreciated.
Some kind of Quick Start guide which covers the important pointers from this thread with tips and info would be nice or can just following the DVD get the chi flowing perfectly? Others who have practiced are welcome to share their insight in this question as well.
Hi Summer,
The best Quick Start available is simply to follow the training on Volumes 1 and 2 of the DVD series. FP Qigong is powerful in its simplicity. In early years of this thread, regulars and veterans told beginners, "Just do it". Just start it and I think you'll find the FPCK system to be remarkable and quite amazing compared to any other type of qigong, yoga or meditation that you've done. That's because 1/2 of the FPCK system are the esoteric breath control formulas that precedes each and every one of the FP Meditations (8 standing; 24 seated (of which I've published 8 on DVD). The breath control formulas make up the "secret sauce" that makes this system so effective.
You can be assured by the longevity of this discussion thread (now approaching its 15th year) and the scores of testimonials on it, that FP Qigong works--and works to impart great health and wellness benefits without any use of visualization whatsoever and without complicated instructions--do this and do that--that inflict the type of brain damage represented by the 9 of swords in the Tarot.
There is no written Quick Start Guide yet because my book on Flying Phoenix Qigong is still in the computer, delayed by tons of other business and media projects. That that will come.
In the meantime, two of my very dedicated FPCK students in June of 2018 built an alternative blogsite called Alchemical Garden Forum that hosts its own FPCK thread because this one here at Daobums was being heavily trolled by scamsters trying to divert traffic to scam sites selling videos at out-of-this-world prices (up to $10,000 !!!) purportedly of advanced teachings by my teaching, Grandmaster Doo Wai, such that the discussion was getting derailed on a daily basis and the moderators here were going out of their minds tracking down these trolls and expelling them, only to have them come back and don new sockpuppets. [I look at all this trolling as another big testimonial that FP Qigong works like very few systems out there!! ] At any rate, on the Alchemcial Garden Forum (henceforth, "AG")--very nicely created and moderated by "Roots of Virtue" and "Earl Gray"--and now Pak_Satrio"--you will find well-edited and organized topical pages that provide good starting advice for beginners--such as what appear on this page:
type in alchemical.garden.forms (forward slash( threads (fwd slash) 48.
And you'll find a large batch of FPCK-related topics under this tab:
alchemical.garden.forms (forward slash) branch (fwd slash) zenbear
Happy Explorations!
Sifu Terry Dunn
www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html
terencedunn.substack.com
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On 10/15/2023 at 8:22 AM, EFreethought said:Does this mean when someone does the Vol.4 Lnog Form Standing Meditation that they can stop doing the preceding 7 standing meditations?
Hello EFT:
The answer, as I've explained in past postings over the course of this long thread, is Yes--if one has systematically practiced and thoroughly establishedº the preceding 7 standing meditations--normally over the course of 9 to 18 months, after one has learned the Vol.4 Long Form med., that practice subsumes or can replace the practice of the 7 preceding meditations. As one will experience if one has learned and practiced the system correctly, just practicing the Long Form Meditation twice in one day and on a regular (daily) basis is enough to derive a median level of the health and immunity benefits of the whole FP Qigong system.
That's the short answer.
This is the long qualified answer: But to attain maximum health benefits--that marked by the forming of the tangible reserve Flying Phoenix Healing Qi, one should continue to practice the entire system: All 7 standing meditations in rotation, day to day--while practicing Long Form Capstone meditation as regularly as possible. AND practicing one to three of the seated MSW meditations on a daily basis.
For example, in last Tuesday night's Intermediate class, after warming up with Tao Tan Pai Short Form Power Yoga, I taught in all the moving standing FP meditations followed by 2 stationary standing meds. in this order:
1. Bending the Bows (12 of the normal 18 rounds)
2. Wind Above the Clouds ( 2x)
3. Wind Through Treetops (2x)
4. Moonbeam Splashes On Water (2x)
5. Long Form FPHHCM (2x)
6. Monk Gazing At Moon
7. Monk Holding Peach
[ --observing students and giving corrections after the 2nd round of each Meditation.]
B. Then I led practice in MSW #6 (the 2nd MSW on Volume 7 that has breathing seq. 80 70 50 20)
This type of orthodox training regimen leads to optimal results.
But as i said, in a pinch for time, just practicing the Long Form FPHHCM twice a day will suffice to maintain good vitality and strong immunity.
Carry On!
Sifu Terry
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ºBy "establish", I mean that one can use any one of the first 7 meditations to access or "ignite" the tangible FP Healing Qi and bring on the relaxed and healing "zone" or what western doctors call parasympathetic tone. (There are a few exceptions, of course, such as those with extensive background in Tai Chi or other interal arts--e.g., ridingtheox who had 25 yrs of Tai Chi bakcground and was able to jump right into the Long Form Capstone meditation at age 71 and make spendid use of it to fuel his day to day life in retirement as a cattle rancher.)
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On 10/16/2023 at 9:53 AM, centertime said:How did you prove yourself that it was founded by Taoist immortal Lu Tung Pin?
1.) By tying Lu Tung-Pin's specific teachings of his internal alchemy to exactly how the advanced Tao Tan Pai Yogas are practiced and how the Tao Tan Pai yogic methodology works.
2.) And also by tying LTP's teachings to how the Tao Tan Pai 5 Animal Kung Fu forms are traditionally practiced. (Btw, TTP 5 Animals are different than the 5 Animals in Shaolin Kung Fu: instead of the tiger, dragon, snake, crane and leopard in Shaolin, TTP's 5 Animals are tiger, dragon, snake, crane, and monkey.)
I can assure readers here--and even make this declaration: no sinologist can figure out how to apply Lu's yogic teachings to anything they know. But a high-level kung fu/qigong master (even one outside of the Tao Tan Pai tradition) might be able to understand and apply Lu Tung-Pin's teachings.
Translations of Lu Tung Pin's specific teachings can be found in books like, "The Tao of Health, Longevity, and Imortality, The teachings of Immortals Chung and Lu" translated by Eva Wong.
But to understand how the advanced Tao Tan Pai Yogas work (to be able to connect Lu's teachings to them), one has to first master the Tao Tan Pai 5 Animals Kung Fu system well enough to be taught the Tao Tan Pai Nei Kung. (That's a long-term proposition and the subject of a different thread [--and a short thread at that because Tao Tan Pai Kung Fu and its Nei Kung are kept secret and taught very traditionally]. )
Sifu Terry Dunn
www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html
terencedunn.substack.com
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21 hours ago, EFreethought said:Does this mean when someone does the Vol.4 Long Form Standing Meditation that they can stop doing the preceding 7 standing meditations?
Hello EFreethought:
Yes, it is the "capstone" exercise of the FPCK system. Its practice can and does subsume the practice of the preceding 7 standing FP exercises. Thus, given limited time for FPCK practice in one's daily schedule, one can practice 30 to 60 minutes of just the Long Form Exercise instead practicing any combination of the first 7 standing meditations in that same period of time. However, if one's practice is not time-constrained, for optimal results, one should continue practicing the first 7 meditations along with the Long Form Meditation. Each FP meditation has specific effects and the effects of every exercise are cumulative.
If one is time-constrained and wants to practice only the Vol.4 Long Form Meditation, you can do so but with these caveats:
(1) Make sure that you have practiced all the preceding 7 standing FP meditations correctly and long enough/to the extent that you have clear experiential knowledge of specific health benefits and yogic effects of each meditation on the body. For example, as a general rule, I have taught absolute beginners (with no background in Qigong or internal arts like Tai Chi Chuan) to practice the first 7 standing meditations daily for a minimum of one hour each day (along with one or two seated Monk Serves Wine meditations) ...and to practice this way for 9 MONTHS before starting the Long Form.
(2) Thoroughly practice all the seated Monk Serves Wine Meditations on Volumes 2 and 7 --such that you know how each meditation works on your body.
*With my in-person and online students, I regularly ask them to articulate what specific effects they are feeling right after they've practiced each exercise. They must articulate. As the late John Davidson, my favorite Qigong/Kung fu master in Tao Tao Pai Nei Kung system (the other Taoist tradition I preserve) said to us in the late 1970's:
"You must articulate. If you cannot articulate, you know NOTHING!"
(2) Make sure that you have learned the Vol.4 Long Form Standing Meditation ("Capstone Exercise") correctly--by having me at some point review your practice--not just in terms being doing the Long Form's postures and movements correctly, but also becoming proficient enough to do the Long Form at a minimum speed of 15 minutes per round. If you've read this entire thread, you will recall that in its early years, subscribers were posting that they were having an ongoing contest online of who could do the Long Form Meditation most slowly. Several practitioners were taking more than 40 minutes to complete one round of the Long Form--and reporting both health-enhancing and profound consciousness-altering effects.
(3) One should continually practice the first 7 FP standing meditations in one's daily practice (in any combination) while one is learning the Vol.4 Long Form Meditation...and up until the time one can do the Long Form correctly over a span of 15 minutes.
(4) Make sure that you practice the Capstone Exercise for at least 30 minutes each session--and practice daily. That means for beginners:
to do 3 rounds of the Long Form at an average speed of 10 minutes per round,
or two rounds at an average slow speed of 15 minutes per round,
or, for advanced practitioners, doing one round for a duration of 30 minutes--or even longer.
(5) Once you have learned the Capstone Exercise, and are practicing it correctly (and at a speed of 15 minutes per round or slower) and are experiencing enhanced and cumulative healing effects and deeper meditative states of consciusness, then you can cut back on the preceding 7 standing FP meditations.
>>> THE ABOVE ARE MY TRADITIONAL GUIDELINES FOR DERIVING OPTIMAL HEALTH BENEFITS FROM FP QIGONG. <<<
As many here have posted and recommended: it certainly helps to do a private online or in-person lesson with me to get form corrections and guidance in the many nuances of effectively practicing this Capstone Meditation. One nuance, for example, to accelerate one's progress in FP Qigong IF one is also practicing Tai Chi Chuan or other Chinese internal martial art, is developing a training schedule that leverages the foundation that Tai Chi and other arts can provide to your FP Qigong practice. E.g., the other Taoist monastic system of Nei Kung that I preserve is Tao Tan Pai (Taoist Elixir Method) which I have definitively proven (to myself, for now) to have been founded by Taoist immortal, Lu Tung-Pin, coincidentally works as a fantastically effective foundational catalyst that enhances all the benefits of FP Qigong practice. This "directional synergy" or catalyzation is why I have been teaching since January 2020 a weekly Zoom class comprised of one hour of Tao Tan Pai 31 Basic Meditations followed by one hour of FP Qigong practice.
Finally, there are many, many nuances to refine FPCK practice that are sublime--when has reached the point of feeling a tangible reserve of FP Healing Qi being cultivated in the body.
Enjoy your practice and steady progress towards doing the Long Form Meditation solely as your day to day FPCK practice.
(Print out this posting and bookmark it on your computer and devices.)
Sifu Terry Dunn
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22 hours ago, EternalStudent said:Thank you so much, Sifu Terry!
In this thread alone you have shared a staggering amount of information on FPCK which has been a great help to everyone here, even if they don’t say it.
I have a few questions:
1.) Do you have any plans to make the advanced FPCK exercises available to the public?
2.)Have you considered releasing the teachings in digital format? In an age where more and more people are using their smart phones to consume media, I would gladly repurchase the series in digital format, and I’m sure many others would do the same.Hi EternalStudent!
Thank you so very much for your kind compliment about the amount of info on FPCK that I have posted on this thread to help practitioners--and its quality as well, I hope!
Answers to your questions:
1.) Do you have any plans to make the advanced FPCK exercises available to the public?
• Yes, I do plan to make the next level of advanced standing FPCK exercises available to the public. But I haven't decided on the media format yet. I will probably publish the new material on DVDs or possibly put them on a streaming platform accessible on a subscription basis. I will not make them available on downloadable digital files (see below).
2.) Have you considered releasing the teachings in digital format? In an age where more and more people are using their smart phones to consume media, I would gladly repurchase the series in digital format, and I’m sure many others would do the same.• No. As I explained about a two years ago: after long and thorough assessment with many experts in the entertainment industry and lawyers, I decided that the risk of piracy and loss of control of distribution of these programs is too great to make these programs available on downloadable digital files. Also, viewing the visual content (my physical demonstrations) of the DVD programs on a small hand-held device (including tablets) is not very efficient nor popular according to my surveys of my students in the U.S. The majority of serious FPCK students that I've spoken to connect a disc drive to a large TV monitor in order to follow the instruction of a big picture. Plus external disc drives are more affordable than ever--selling from US$13 to US$40 online on sites like Amazon.
But thank you for expressing your interest in digital versions of the CKFH programs.
Regards,
Sifu Terry
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On 10/12/2023 at 3:21 AM, johndoe2012 said:I don't know when exactly I started doing FPCK, but it has to be more or less from the beginning of the thread. I had some breaks in between, but 13-14 years of FPCK gives some nice results.
Some time ago I discovered I can communicate with the energy/intelligence behind FPCK and direct the healing towards specific parts of my system and also other persons and their issues. Whether this is the official way of healing with FPCK I don't know, but it works for me.
Also I notice in general with cultivation it is helpful to enjoy life and your passions as the qi flows better in your body and life seems just way better.
Hello johndoe2012,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the benefits you've experienced from doing FPCK for 13-14 years.
Yes, such long-term practice certainly makes life better.
I certainly agree that as health, vitality and brain function improves through FPCK practice, one's outlook/worldview improves, and life gets better.
I've been practicing FPCK since 1991...after learning the system from Grandmaster Doo Wai. And I can say FPCK along with my Bok Fu Pai and my Tai Chi Chuan practices have gotten me through some very, very challenging and otherwise demoralizing obstacles in my life, like this epic David vs. Goliath battle against Hollywood corruption that would have crushed other beings...but is now soon to enter into its Round #2 and promises Perfected Justice:
http://www.kungfupandalawsuit.com/Timeline_Hotspots_New.html
Some time ago I discovered I can communicate with the energy/intelligence behind FPCK and direct the healing towards specific parts of my system and also other persons and their issues. Whether this is the official way of healing with FPCK I don't know, but it works for me.
••• Whatever means you've found to communicate with the intelligence behind FPCK, go with it, and continue your healing of others. That is what FPCK was designed to do (as in Qigong definitions #2 and #5 listed below). •••
Also I notice in general with cultivation it is helpful to enjoy life and your passions as the qi flows better in your body and life seems just way better.
Overall, FPCK has made life more enjoyable, more understandable, and at times downright blissful in enabling one to feel and know Cosmic or Universal Love. Thus FPCK has helped enable me to become an eternal optimist.
Also, to help equate improved quality of life to higher meditative states of consciousness facilitated by FPCK or any authentic system of Yoga, I highly recommend reading this 2-part article by Daniel Goleman that he wrote in the early 70's: translating the yogic teachings of the Buddha and putting them into historical context--for they provide a precise language (ie., the 8 jhanas) to talk about the higher benefits of an effective Qigong system like FPCK:
"THE BUDDHA ON MEDITATION AND STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS" parts 1 and 2:
Part 2: https://www.atpweb.org/jtparchive/trps-04-72-02-151.pdf
Reading these articles gives one a useful language by which to talk about one's FPCK experience or any transcendental state---as opposed to New Age gobbledy-gook that you hear blathered on old Gaiam dvds.
My experience has been that FPCK and the other Bok Fu Pai Yogas are some of the best life insurance policies you can give yourself. Also my other specialties--Tai Chi Chuan and Tao Tan Pai Kung Fu & Nei Kung are equally GREAT life insurance policies--if you complete your apprenticeship and master the art.
Any complete system of Chinese Kung Fu--and certainly any authentic system of Qigong-- will impart 5 essential, defining benefits:
1.) Strong immunity against disease
2.) Healing energy enabling one to alleviate or cure disease in others.
3.) Fully integrated bodily strength that lasts throughout a lifetime.
4.) Improved intelligence...and thus longer life.
5.) Latent powers.
These 5 functional criteria defining Qigong are spelled out nicely in Master T.K. Shih's book "Qi Gong Therapy" (Station Hill Press. 1994) that I strongly recommend to every FP practitioner to read.
I'm very happy to hear of your high attainment with FP Qigong, John Doe.
May you reach even higher states of living.
Peace,
Sifu Terry
www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html
terencedunn.substack.com
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On 10/11/2023 at 12:55 AM, tao stillness said:Thank you Sifu Terry for the clarification of where the energizer meditation is found.
I remember when doing the meditation nicknamed, the sleeper, that I would often doze off while doing it right before bed but I would wake and realize my hands and arms were still doing the posture while part of me was briefly snoozing.
You're welcome, Steve!
Also, try MSW2 on Vol.2. As I just discussed with Learner, that is also an excellent sleep-inducer.
Best,
Sifu Terry
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On 10/11/2023 at 12:36 AM, EternalStudent said:Hi Sifu Terry, I’m a returning student. I have made it to the short form Capstone exercise which I still have to master.
I began hearing buzzing in my ears after I laid the foundation in another system in 2020. I’ve been hearing it 24/7 since then.
When I do Flying Phoenix, the sound gets louder. So while Flying Phoenix may not generate this electric qi, perhaps it enhances it?
I will say though that Flying Phoenix is too intelligent a system if that makes sense lol. It boggles the mind.
Every exercise seems to be a heavenly formula for tweaking our consciousness…tuning it to a different frequency. My entire being is cleansed from negative emotions after practicing. I don’t experience this with other systems. The difference is like night and day.
I do physical labor for work and just one 5 minute exercise before work will give me enough energy to move continuously for 10 hours minus a few breaks.
Hi External Student:
I began hearing buzzing in my ears after I laid the foundation in another system in 2020. I’ve been hearing it 24/7 since then.
Hmm. Interesting. But hearing the buzzing 24/7 doesn't sound like a typical effect of Qigong.If you care to disclose, what is the other system you practiced and made foundational in 2020?
When I do Flying Phoenix, the sound gets louder. So while Flying Phoenix may not generate this electric qi, perhaps it enhances it?
That may be the case. Continue your practice of both and see if that relationship is constant. If FP Qigong consistently enhances the effect from your other Qigong practice with no ill effects, then I suppose the other system is also a solid system that only benefits health.
I will say though that Flying Phoenix is too intelligent a system if that makes sense lol. It boggles the mind.
Yes, FPCK still boggles my mind when I think about how it works and how swiftly it works.
Every exercise seems to be a heavenly formula for tweaking our consciousness…tuning it to a different frequency. My entire being is cleansed from negative emotions after practicing. I don’t experience this with other systems. The difference is like night and day.
Thanks for this stellar feedback. I'm enlarging it here and I'm going to print it on tshirts or laminate on the back of a jacket!!
I do physical labor for work and just one 5 minute exercise before work will give me enough energy to move continuously for 10 hours minus a few breaks.
Fabulous report of a typical result.
Remember: FPCK is the health safety net of the vast Ehrmei Mtn. Bok Fu Pai Kung Fu tradition. As a discrete Qigong discipline, I would say that FPCK represents about 1/20 (or less) of the total body of knowledge that is Bok Fu Pai system. (You can check with my classmate, Sifu Garry Hearfield about this.) Also recall "ridingtheox"'s comment in Year One of this thread when he said that he had retired to ranching in NE Arizona at 71 years of age--and that all he needed to do was the Vol.4 Long Form standing meditation two times and he was good for a full day of ranching! --And that he didn't have to do Tai Chi anymore--which had been practicing for 25 years. (I told him not to stop his Tai Chi.)
Yours and ridingox's stories are ample Proof of the Pudding that FP Qigong rejuvenates the human process (mind, body & spirit) and supplies an abundance (I say a super-abundance) of energy to DO WORK.
Thanks again, "InternalStudent"!!
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On 10/10/2023 at 3:58 PM, centertime said:I have been doing Monk Gazing at Moon more regularly and I noticed a vertical chi flow on both sides of the body...
The flow seems to start from the hands and go down the limbs... It is somewhat surprising outcome.. a new phenomenon I just have experienced for a week..
I wonder if it means... Have I reached some kind of stage?
Hi Centertime,
I noticed a vertical chi flow on both sides of the body...
That is quite normal and commonly reported experience.
The flow seems to start from the hands and go down the limbs... It is somewhat surprising outcome.. a new phenomenon I just have experienced for a week..
Interesting
Question: Do you feel this directional flow starting with the hands while you're looking straight ahead through your fingertips in Monk Gazing At Moon? Or are you looking at your hands and then moving your eyes down the forearms and to teh upper arms,etc.?
I wonder if it means... Have I reached some kind of stage?
It sounds like a basic stage. How long have you been practicing FPCK, Centertime? (I remember your screenname from past postings!)
• When you start feeling a tangible reserve in your system of the distinctive Flying Phoebix Healing Qi, that is a benchmark stage.
• Also, when you see the distinctive color of the FP Healing Qi while in eyes-closed meditation, that is a benchmark or threshold stage.
• And when you experience the FP Healing Qi quality of "jumping off" onto someone else, that is definitely a benchmark stage.
Enjoy, enjoy; explore, explore!
Sifu Terry
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On 10/11/2023 at 1:16 PM, EternalStudent said:I had a similar experience when I started. I felt like I needed to do as many meditations as possible. Then I switched to the recommended schedule of one standing/sitting meditation a day for 2 weeks and then adding on more. I’ve found that training schedule to be the most effective to me. So now I’m working on finishing up the intermediate/advanced meditations while doing one meditation a day. I’ve found that once you spend some time with Flying Phoenix, it doesn’t take much to activate the energy in your body. It’s like everything I’ve gained from the practice is contained within each exercise.
Hello External Student:
Thanks for sharing your experience.
So now I’m working on finishing up the intermediate/advanced meditations while doing one meditation a day.
Great that you're worked your way up to the intermed. and advanced meditations at a comfortable, good steady pace.
I’ve found that once you spend some time with Flying Phoenix, it doesn’t take much to activate the energy in your body. It’s like everything I’ve gained from the practice is contained within each exercise.
YES! and YES! – to these two statements.
If you don't mind: Based on these two sentences, I now hereby officially rename you for intents and purposes on Daobums and elsewhere: "Able_InternalStudent"!
Congratulationss!
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On 10/7/2023 at 2:12 PM, daokedao said:Hi Sifu Terry,
I've realized that I may actually have quite a bit of spontaneous movement during FP, and that I might just be resisting it in an attempt to keep the correct posture.
However, I'm not sure how much I should let go during the meditations before it's too much. For example, when doing the "50 10 50" seated meditation today, I decided to let go completely and my whole upper body started swaying vigorously from left to right. But I'm not sure if that was ok, or if I'd basically abandoned the exercise.
To add to my confusion, the qigong systems I'd already learned have a lot spontaneous qigong, to the point where (before any FP practice) if I just stand up straight and relax I will start swaying. So I was afraid that I'd be wrongly allowing that to spill over into my FP practice (when in reality you and the others in this thread meant something else by spontaneous/involuntary movements).
Should I give in to the impulse to move? Or should I try to be as still as I can unless my body forces me to move?
Would greatly appreciate your guidance on this. Thanks.
Hi Daokedao:
... I'm not sure how much I should let go during the meditations before it's too much. For example, when doing the "50 10 50" seated meditation today, I decided to let go completely and my whole upper body started swaying vigorously from left to right. But I'm not sure if that was ok, or if I'd basically abandoned the exercise.
Let go completely, and let the vibratory, shaking, swaying states run their course. They will always subside.
As I've stated many times throughout this thread: let the vibratory, swaying, twisting, tossing states subside. Then experience the deep calm that follows. That many, including myself, have described as BLISS.
FPCK puts no stress into the human system. It only allows deep-seated stress and tensions to natural dissipate by vibrating out of the physical body.
To add to my confusion, the qigong systems I'd already learned have a lot spontaneous qigong, to the point where (before any FP practice) if I just stand up straight and relax I will start swaying. So I was afraid that I'd be wrongly allowing that to spill over into my FP practice (when in reality you and the others in this thread meant something else by spontaneous/involuntary movements).
If there's confusion, it's coming from your interpretation of your other spontaneous qigong practice.
What other Qigong methods have you practiced?
FPCK is complete and self-explanatory. Just practice this system correctly and thoroughly...and you will ultimately be able to answer all your questions about any type of Qigong that arise.
Should I give in to the impulse to move? Or should I try to be as still as I can unless my body forces me to move?
• Don't fight against or try to repress the spontaneous vibrations that rise from FP practice.
Keep your feet still in the standing meditations like Monk Gazing At Moon, Monk Holding Peach, or Monk Holding Pearl. But let any spontaneous vibratory states arise and run their course through any part of the body or through the whole body.
• If you're doing moving meditation such as the ones on Volume 3, or the Vol.4 Capstone meditation, do them as slowly and as smoothly as you can. When involuntary vibrations arise in the moving meditations, continue to do the form while you're vibrating!
CARRY ON!
Sifu Terry
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On 10/7/2023 at 9:26 AM, Learner said:Hi, Sifu Terry. A few days ago I asked you about FP and ADHD. And as per your recommendations I practiced the MSW1 and MHP . After reading Vajra Fist's post about MSW2 being the cleanser , I also tried it once.
It's been a few days I have been doing the MSW1 (90,50,40,30,10), MHP and the second meditation from Volume 7. My first impressions of MSW1 were very strong. It's like a strong medicine. I'm like what's stress and what's adhd. Also I feel like I am immune to stress. I can't get stressful even if I try. I started remembering things, where I had put the towel, where I had put my medicine, small things like that. Also I can focus a bit longer than before and I don't get stressed out when learning something. I also felt my personality changed like I my mental levels were upgraded. It felt like CEO mentality.
I only tried MSW2(50,40,30,10) once and It instantly removed many negative emotions and energies from my mind. Like neediness,despair,hopelessness. That made me think that practicing MSW1 alone is not enough . I need to add MSW2 to remove the negative stuff. Like if someone is in a toxic relationship or having negative thoughts MSW2 would be good for them.
I also practiced 2nd meditation from Vol 7 . For all MSW meditations the energy starts to become strong and deep in the 6th repetition. When doing this meditation I felt present and in my body , like "YOU ARE HERE, THERE'S NO STRESS , NOTHING. I AM HERE" . I felt more present and in my body.
One thing I have noticed is that I think that I will do 1 set of MSW1 (90,50,40,30,10) .I do it extremely slowly as possible . I then look up the time and 25 minutes have been passed. Sifu Terry, I wanted to ask what is better. Doing one set as slow as possible or doing multiple sets with medium speed.
One more thing, You mentioned that the Vol 4 has all the benefits of the previous 3 volumes. So does this mean Vol 4 will affect the frontal lobes also. I myself haven't oracticed Volume 4 yet, but I intend to.
Sifu Terry, I searched this thread for thyroid but couldn't find any post. If you may, Would you recommend a meditation for thyroid balancing.
Thanks.
Hello Learner,
Thank you for posting your experience with MSW1, vol.7 first med., and your overall impressions of FP Qigong providing relief from stress and relief from ADHD.
It's been a few days I have been doing the MSW1 (90,50,40,30,10), MHP and the second meditation from Volume 7. My first impressions of MSW1 were very strong.
It's like a strong medicine. I'm like what's stress and what's adhd.
Also I feel like I am immune to stress. I can't get stressful even if I try.
I am so glad to hear this. Music to my hears. WOW! WONDERFUL RESULTS!Being "immune to stress" is the whole purpose of Chinese martial and spiritual arts.
Being immune to stress not only enables you to respond to anything...
I started remembering things, where I had put the towel, where I had put my medicine, small things like that.
So glad to hear that your memory has improved! I've felt the same benefits from the moment I started FPCK in 1991--though not as dramatically as you because I've not suffered from ADHD. But I can concur that FP Qigong keeps the mind clear and maintains high brain function.
Also I can focus a bit longer than before and I don't get stressed out when learning something.
To be able to concentrate mentally while staying calm is the key to getting lots of work done...
And is also thee key to creativity.
I also felt my personality changed like I my mental levels were upgraded. It felt like CEO mentality.
FP Qigong perfects your ability to manage stress, and so frees up so much energy otherwise tied up in tension and worry, that your genetic talent can be discovered and unleashed.
I only tried MSW2(50,40,30,10) once and It instantly removed many negative emotions and energies from my mind. Like neediness, despair, hopelessness. That made me think that practicing MSW1 alone is not enough . I need to add MSW2 to remove the negative stuff. Like if someone is in a toxic relationship or having negative thoughts MSW2 would be good for them.
Yes, MSW2 is one of my favorites. Kind of a sleeper--in 2 respect: (1) in induces deep, sound sleep; (2) And because I've never had a problem with sound sleep in my lifetime, I didn't notice MSW2's sleep-inducing effects at first because I learned it in daytime from GM Doo Wai and then practiced it during daytime. I just found it very, very calming. It wasn't until a student of mine in LA, Eileen Shaw, I recall, who told me that she found MSW2 especially helpful in inducing sound and restful sleep. Then I went back and practiced it in the evening that I confirmed that it was a great sleep-inducer.
practicing MSW1 alone is not enough.
Yes, that is why there are 24 seated MSW meditations in this first level of FP Qigong.
FPCK is a complete Taoist monastic Qigong SYSTEM. -- as opposed to so much light-weight, flimsy pseudo-calisthenics that passes itself off as "Qigong" that some New Age huckster either translated from a throwaway mainland Chinese pamphlet printed in 1973 (instead of translated from a carving made in 993AD by Lu Tung-Pin) or just made up in his/her garage. But anything goes in America and now Qigong is as diluted a term as "yoga"--and sometimes as meaningless, depending on who you find teaching what.
And each FPCK meditation has its very precise and tangible and scientifically verifiable effects on the body's health, energy level, strength of tissues, and the mind's clarity, acuity, and degree-extent of awareness.
I need to add MSW2 to remove the negative stuff. Like if someone is in a toxic relationship or having negative thoughts MSW2 would be good for them.
Yes, by the time you get to MSW2, you have just the beginnings of a handle on how to dissipate negativity from mind and emotions. But much more so after you've completed ALL of the FP standing and seated meds. in Volumes 1-5 and Vol.7. Then there are 12 other seated MSW meditations that I haven't publsihed yet.
• Complete the system, practice correctly for 3 to 6 years under some supervision, and you may become a MASTER of stress management and energy healing.
I also practiced 2nd meditation from Vol 7 . For all MSW meditations the energy starts to become strong and deep in the 6th repetition. When doing this meditation I felt present and in my body , like "YOU ARE HERE, THERE'S NO STRESS , NOTHING. I AM HERE" . I felt more present and in my body.
"All present"; " ALL HERE NOW" is the very basic stage of meditation called "access" and "absorption."
••• Read Daniel Goleman's "THE BUDDHA ON MEDITATION AND STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS" parts 1 and 2:
Part 2: https://www.atpweb.org/jtparchive/trps-04-72-02-151.pdf
One thing I have noticed is that I think that I will do 1 set of MSW1 (90,50,40,30,10) .I do it extremely slowly as possible . I then look up the time and 25 minutes have been passed. Sifu Terry, I wanted to ask what is better. Doing one set as slow as possible or doing multiple sets with medium speed.
One or more sets as slowly as possible. Make time and do MSW and all FP MEds. at different speeds. With standing moving meds. do rounds in which you hold each posture for 4 or more breathes.
One more thing, You mentioned that the Vol 4 has all the benefits of the previous 3 volumes. So does this mean Vol 4 will affect the frontal lobes also. I myself haven't oracticed Volume 4 yet, but I intend to.
Yes, Vol.4 Long Form Standing Meditation, which gives the system its name FLYING PHOENIX HEAVENLY HEALING CHI MEDITATION is the capstone exercise of the entire system. Its practice subsumes the practice of all preceding 7 standing meditations.
Sifu Terry, I searched this thread for thyroid but couldn't find any post. If you may, Would you recommend a meditation for thyroid balancing.
No, I can't give a specific yogic prescription for a thyroid because I have to see you--or the person with the condition--in front of me...and do finger-toe diagnosis from Tao Tan Pai healing tradition...also because endocrine problems affect the entire body and also have a myriad of unnoticed symptoms.
But we can put the message out right here, right now and ask the FPCK community if any has found FPCK to have positive effects on thyroid problems.
Enjoy your exploration of FPCK. Practice diligently, put int he time, and practice thoroughly.
Regards,
Sifu Terry
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On 10/4/2023 at 12:43 AM, daokedao said:Hi Sifu Terry,
I've been keeping up my practice - things are mostly good, but I have a couple questions that have come up.
1. If I'm pressed for time, is it better to do a few slow reps of Bending the Bows, or 18 fast ones?
2. Does FP energy linger sometimes for hours after I practice?
Today (and a few other times) even though I left several hours between my FP practice and my BJJ class, I learned the hard way that it is indeed very un-martial. I felt really uncoordinated when drilling/sparring. It was like my body and nervous system wanted to have a friendly chat with my sparring partners rather than try to choke them out. (On the plus side my cardio was very good). I was pretty surprised since I'd expected to have reverted back to a normal state by then.
To be fair, I might have just had a bad day today, but this has also happened several times in the past so I want to make sure.
3. What are some ways I can quickly transition into a more "martial" state of mind?
I've found the following things to help:
-time (though this seems unreliable as today showed)
-practicing some form of qigong where the energy is more "agile"
-a lengthy and vigorous warmup session
Is there anything else that might work better? I read somewhere in this thread that solid food/cold water may help, which I will try next time. I also read that eventually I'll be able to stop the FP process mentally? But I'm not sure if I have the skill to do that yet.
Thanks,
Alex
edit: have a couple further questions about touching the tongue to the roof of the mouth-
4. How much force to use? Is it best to let it touch as gently as possible? Sometimes I find myself pushing rather hard.
5. is there a definitive answer for which part of the mouth to touch? (Behind teeth, middle, or pointing back) I saw some interesting discussion in this thread but I didn’t quite get which one to do for now (or how much it matters at this stage)Hi Alex,
Sorry to take so long to respond to your post. (I've been slammed these past 10 days with teaching, book-writing, video editing, and house-hunting.)
Here are my answers to your questions (in blue italics):
1. If I'm pressed for time, is it better to do a few slow reps of Bending the Bows, or 18 fast ones?
It's always better to do slow reps of Bending the Bows and slow versions of any of the other FP moving meditations--as opposed to doing anything in a rushed manner. It's quality practice first. Once correct practice is established, then increase the quantity (time).
2. Does FP energy linger sometimes for hours after I practice?
Yes, it certainly does as almost every serious FPCK practitioner has discovered. If you read the thread from the beginning, you'll see posts by practitioners who felt the FP Healing Qi not only linger, but set on again (out of nowhere) --like 8 hours after they had stopped practicing. Here is an video clip I was nimble enough to shoot spotaneously when an 81-yr old student of mine, Rori Kanter shared how the healing effects set on later in the day after she had taken a free 2-hour demonstratino class that I gave for World Tai Chi Qigong Day in 2019:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbDGsgKTpDg
Today (and a few other times) even though I left several hours between my FP practice and my BJJ class, I learned the hard way that it is indeed very un-martial. I felt really uncoordinated when drilling/sparring. It was like my body and nervous system wanted to have a friendly chat with my sparring partners rather than try to choke them out.
HA HA HA. I love it when practitioners who are martial artists discover this! Now you understand why GM Doo Wai gave me permission to teach the complete art of FPCK--WITH the breathing formulas: because one can do no harm to others by using FP Qigong. That is not the case, of course, with Bok Fu Pai's martial qigong systems. Thus they stay secret and are taught only to initiates who have put in the time and mastered the kung fu--and themselves.
3. What are some ways I can quickly transition into a more "martial" state of mind?
I've found the following things to help:
-time (though this seems unreliable as today showed)
-practicing some form of qigong where the energy is more "agile"
-a lengthy and vigorous warmup session
Is there anything else that might work better? I read somewhere in this thread that solid food/cold water may help, which I will try next time.
-time (though this seems unreliable as today showed)
yes, time naturally causes FP healing effects to fade.
-practicing some form of qigong where the energy is more "agile"
Yes, practice martial qigong.
But moreover, practice and master a authentic Kung Fu system and you will always have instant martial intent and energy at your command.
-a lengthy and vigorous warmup session
Yes, this too--and especially if you are warming up with authentic kung fu exercises from a classical system.What are some ways I can quickly transition into a more "martial" state of mind?
•• You've answered your own question by how you asked it:
You can snap yourself into martial mode instantly if your mental focus is very strong and clear.
Also, if you have practiced and mastered advanced forms of martial qigong, you will have a psychic or physical or mental trigger or que that will bring on your martial Qi instantly.
Also, there's nothing like the natural "fight or flight" response of the sympathetic nervous system that kicks in when there is a real threat to life and limb afoot.
I also read that eventually I'll be able to stop the FP process mentally? But I'm not sure if I have the skill to do that yet.
Keep practicing and you will eventuallty develop that mental ability.
4. How much force to use? Is it best to let it touch as gently as possible? Sometimes I find myself pushing rather hard.
Very little. Touch lightly is fine. Also there's nothing wrong with stretching the tip of the tongue to point way back to the center of the brain--i.e., the pineal gland--as the Tibetans do. But that's not required or necessary for FP qigong.
5. is there a definitive answer for which part of the mouth to touch? (Behind teeth, middle, or pointing back) I saw some interesting discussion in this thread but I didn’t quite get which one to do for now (or how much it matters at this stage)Just behind the teeth or middle of the hard palate (center of roof of mouth) is fine. As stated above, pointing tip of the tongue way back towards the center of the brain is also ok to do.
Enjoy your practice.
Sifu Terry
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On 10/3/2023 at 4:56 AM, Pak_Satrio said:
“Electric qi” would be something I’ve experienced from other systems, which I guess could also be called “lightning qi”. Feels exactly like an electric shock or current, quite small when I’m doing practices myself, very very very strong when a master is emitting it into me.
What if feel from FP qi is more of a menthol, cooling and calming energy rather than a hot or electric energy. Curious to see what Sifu Terry and other practitioners feel from FP.
Hi Pak Satrio,
FP qi is more of a menthol, cooling and calming energy rather than a hot or electric energy.
Your use of the worlds "menthol" along with "cooling" and "calming" description above is wonderfully accurate.
I can't do much better than that! Thanks for your contribution of the "menthol" adjective to our Qigong vocabulary!
Best,
Sifu Terry
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11 hours ago, tao stillness said:I would Rx from Vol. 7, the one that is the energizer which is the one we should not do before bed. I mistakenly did that one once late at night and it took hours for me to fall asleep. So that's a great one to start the day. As everyone who does Flying Phoenix Chi Kung already knows, there is no other qigong method that produces such a tangible, strong sensation of Qi. That's my experience after trying at least 100 different chi kung sets. Tai Chi guy Scott Meredith claims to feel "thunder Qi" from his methods, and claims that unless you feel that tremendous, strong flow of energy while doing tai chi, you are not getting much out of doing tai chi other than performing a nice looking dance. I did not try his methods long enough to feel anything from them.
I keep intending to go back to doing Flying Phoenix but the time requirement is a barrier due to my increased duties raising young foster children during retirement. Busier now than when I was employed.
Hi Steve,
I think the "Monk Serves Wine" meditation that you refer to as "the one that is the energizer..." is the last seated meditation on Volume 2 --not Vol. 7--that starts with the palms in "the lotus" position (clasped palms on the centerline at heart level) and then slowly separates the palms by pulling the elbows sideways that has the breathing sequience (90 80 50 20). On the Volume 2 DVD, which has 3 "warm-up" seated meditations followed by 3 MSW meditations, that one is the very last meditation on the program. That's the one you don't want to do at night.
Thanks for your positive assessment of FP Qigong after trying some 100+ Qigong methods and/or systems.
About "Thunder Qi" as coined by the Tai Chi proponent you mentioned:
No, you will NOT feel anything "thunderous" when practicing FP Qigong because no aspect of healing is "thunderous." If you do feel something "thunderous" when doing FP Qigong, then you are practicing it incorrectly and STOP IMMEDIATELY whatever you're doing with the system!!! FP Qigong Healing Qi, is sublime, restorative, light, all-penetrating, and all permeating, mind-clearing, and, as described by me and my more advanced students many times on this thread, has an intelligence of its own.
FP Qigong induces allostasis, and restorative, self-healing process that returns the body to homeostasis and normal health.
Any mundane energy state that is restorative and truly healing from any world tradition of wellness---Tibetan, Buddhist, Kaballistic, Gnostic Christian, So. African Sangoma, Islamic Hijama, etc.--is NOT "thunderous"--except for ultra-rare occasions of authentic spiritual healing (defined as healing effected by the intervention of spiritual forces and entities). Again, the nature and experienced quality of healing energy is not "thunderous." For how can "thunderous" energy sustain an integrated mind and body and activate continuous self-healing??
•• Let's just ask ourselves and think back, over the past 14 years and out of the 5,
However, "thunderous" does accurately describe the energy of martial Qigong systems, of which I--along with Sifu Garry Hearfield in Australia and a few others--preserve several in the Ehrmei Mountain Bok Fu Pai as taught by Grandmaster Doo Wai.
A. One particular technique we have in Bok Fu Pai Kung fu is translated from Cantonese as, "THE CONTINUOUS PIERCING PALM"--and this technique (that consists of 3 movements) can truly be described as 'THUNDEROUS".
B. Of the Ehrmei Bok Fu Pai systems that I preserve that exhibit demonstrable and verifiable "thunderous Qi":
1. Bok Fu Pai Nei Kung
2. LEVEL 2 of Advanced Flying Phoenix Qigong (9 standing meditations)
3. 10,000 Buddhas Ascend To Heaven (54 exercises) -- All 3 subsets containing 18 meditations...impart experience of "thunder" louder and more intensely tangible than naturally occuring thunder in climate.
C. Bat Din Gum -- 8 Sections of Energy Combined (a vast kung fu system). A Wudang intenral system that made its way southward and today is known to be practiced by the monks at the Goddess of Mercy (Kuan Yin) Temple in Macau.
D "Thunderous Qi" can be experienced within the first few years of Tao Tan Pai (Taoist Elixir method) Kung Fu training that is ACTUALLY HEARD--NOT IMAGINED--AS A DEEP, THUNDEROUS DRUMMING IN THE EARS.
In fact, once one becomes adept in the basics of Tao Tan Pai Kung Fu after:
(1) becoming proficient in the basic TTP 5 Animal Kung fu forms (tiger, dragon, snake, crane, and monkey) and a few TTP weapons forms,
(2) becoming adept in the first level qigong called the Tao Tan Pai Basic 31 Meditations
--which for beginners can occur within 3 to 5 years of training, it is possible to experience and hear "thunderous Qi."
MY CONCLUSION: "Thunderous" Qi can be cultivated in many internal systems of kung fu besides the 6 methods that I practiced for decades and have listed above, A, B1, B2, B3, C, and D.
BTW, in my experience, "Thunderous Qi" is not a requisite benchmark in the Tai Chi Chuan system that I have practiced over the past 44 years, which is the Cheng Man-ching manner of the Yang Family style. In my years of training under the late Master/General Abraham Liu (1980-1992), the late Master Benjamin Lo , and since 2013 with GM William C.C. Chen, I have NEVER HEARD these high-level masters nor any of their senior students mention "thunderous Qi". --Which is not to say that it doesn't exist or hasn't been experienced by someone else doing Tai Chi.
I'm just stating here that I have never heard nor experienced "thunderous Qi" during my Tai Chi Chuan development of soft power.
I have, however, as I've given an account of here on this thread, experienced while doing Tai Chi Chuan the feeling that I was completely charged with lightning energy--to the extent that I did not have volitional control over my bodily movements for a few long seconds.
Again, I state that I have only experienced that phenomenon of "thunderous Qi" while practicing the secret martial Qigong engines that empower Bok Fu Pai, Tao Tan Pai, and Bat Din Gum systems.
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On 9/11/2023 at 11:41 PM, Beep said:Hi Sifu Terry,
Is it okay to practice Flying Phoenix Qigong with COVID19 ?. I tested positive this morning and was wondering if doing FFQ meditations would help recovery.
Thank you
Hello Beep,
Yes, it is okay to practice FP Qigong only if you have the relatively mild Omicron variant of Covid. But if you have an infection of the Delta variant or Alpha variant, then you should definitely consult with your western physician (an M.D.) before you begin any form of exercise...because of the fact that so many people died or suffered long-COVID symptoms from those earliest and more deadly variants.
I speak only from my personal experience of practicing FP Qigong while I had the OMICRON variant of COVID-19 and am not hereby not rendering any form of medical advice: I had caught in Jan. 2022 during the first leg of a flight from NYC to Chicago/O'Hare to LAX. I had no symptoms other than the siightest tickle of a sore throat on the left side that was 1/4 the irritation level of any previous sore throats up that time in my life. But this one persisted for 5-6 days. I was doing lots of physical labor moving belongings into storage, and not sleeping enough. So I thought the sore throat was just stress symptom from lack of sleep. Finally, I did the FPCK Long Form slowly three times. Halfway through the third round, I no felt anything irritation in my throat. **I am NOT saying that FP Qigong is a reliable remedy for COVID. But only that it can't hurt or exacerbate Covid. I am saying that I have very strong immunity because I've been practicing FP Qigong since 1991 (as well more advanced Bok Fu Pai Yogas) and also Tao Tan Pai Nei Kung since 1974, which is why, I believe, I experienced no Covid symptoms whatsoever other than the persistent minor irritation/tickle on the left side of the throat.
As I had posted in early 2022, I decided to get tested for Covid because 2 good friends I was staying with had tested positive. So on a Sunday I went to the same PCF testing clinic they had gone to. I tested positive (+). But at that time I had no symptoms whatsoever. Then six days later, I went to another good friend's Super-Bowl-watching party. Because he's very well-off, he had all his guests take the most expensive Covid home test kits that money could by at the time before entering. I tested Negative 3 times.
That's my long-winded way of stating: (1) Doing FP Qigong cannot hurt if you have Covid because it does not add any stress to the human process whatsoever. It can possibly help with Covid symptoms as I had explained that that had happened in my case.
If you have a variety of Covid symptoms and one of them is lowered energy levels and fatigue, use FP Qigong very carefully and gingerly. The second you feel any type of new stress or worsening symptom, stop.
Whatever you do, stick with the professional advice of your western degreed physician.
Hope you feel better and test negative soon.
Sifu Terry
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On 7/30/2014 at 5:36 PM, GrandmasterP said:Any outcome yet?
No. Still not yet. 12 years after the derailment of justice.
But perfected Justice will come soon.
Being Chinese, and being well advised, I am playing The Long Game.
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On 9/14/2023 at 4:43 PM, Cobie said:Hi Sifu Terry, Thank you very much for your reply, it’s much appreciated.
Hello Cobie and to all FP Qigong practitioners--especially beginners:
While reading an old compilation I made in 2019 of testimonials by FPCK subscribers posted from 2009 to 2013, I just happen to have come across this string of postings and exchanges in March of 2013 started by a post by alleswasderfallist in Germany on 3/5/2013 at 9:39 AM, that was nicely followed upon by Shiva Shakti with a detailed comment that is highly relevant guidance to getting a good start in FP Qigong and making good sense out of the "washing" energy sensation in the brain (starting with the frontal lobe) that is induced by the seated Monk Serves Wine meditations in Volume 2 and 7. This sub-thread also nice addresses Learner's question about what FP Qigong meditations one should do to attain calmness, for the calmness comes in spades when one experiences what Shiva Shakti described as "Frontal Lobe Activation":
ShivaShakti
Posted March 2, 2013 (edited)
Frontal Lobe Activation.
So I digged (dug) just a little. It is apparent that the frontal lobes are being activated by
Flying Phoenix, especially in MSW. This is "mostly" noticeable in VOL 2, basic warm-up #
1, MSW # 1 and MSW #2. Though there are other portions of the brain being activated too. I can
feel a lot of pressure in my frontal lobes (like my brain being massage inside) when doing
those meds I mentioned. (understand I am currently at basic meds, so I can't say what vol 7
can do, but since it is "advanced" we know what to expect)
Frontal lobes is being tied to:
Object Permanence.
Proper Reasoning
Memory
Feel good
Concentration/Focus
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Ability to see more of yourself (most people don't really see themselves) keep us grounded in the
present moment.
This should explain, why we are experiencing mental acuity, positive outlook in life, feeling
good in general, aside from other benefits.
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ShivaShakti
Posted March 6, 2013 (edited)
On 3/5/2013 at 9:39 AM, alleswasderfallist said:
I thought about this post after I practiced last night. Maybe I didn't notice it before, but certain
meditations (I believe BTB and Pearl from volume 1) did seem to cause some sensations in my
frontal lobe area. I normally experience this more imprecisely as a general pleasant feeling in the
head. I'll report back to let you know if this happens more - perhaps I was just influenced by your
post to single out one area more than others.
Hi
Just wanted add something.
I just put frontal lobe info.. but I am certain, there are other lobes being activated by FP, especially
noticeable through MSW. Doing MSW, I can "literally" feel energy pressure moving in my brain,
like having a massage, inside my skull. I mostly notice this on my frontal lobes, but I can also feel
my other brain lobes, like in my parietal lobes, temporal lobes, occipital lobes.
At one point I experimented with VOL 2, warm-up # 1 (the seated Monk Gazing at the Moon) for
me to see if the hand movements affects the pleasant energy pressure in my head ( me doing
MGM, I feel a "waving" pressure energy in my left frontal lobe, and right frontal lobe). I did the 3
breaths, followed by breath percentage with my two hands in MGM posture, then after two
minutes, I begun to move my "left and right hands" inward and outward, like Sifu Terry instructed
on vol 2 DVD... I felt a pressure in my "left and right frontal lobes" (infact almost always I do feel
this by doing MGM). To start the experiment, I only begun to move "just my left hand" (the right
hand was kept still, on hold).. I immediately noticed that only my left lobe was only the one being
pressurized (cool I said). I kept turning my left hand inward-outward to see if it really does,
"consistently" affects my left frontal lobe, until satisfied. After that, I kept still my left hand, then I
was turning my right hand instead--as expected the right frontal lobe was being
pressurized/activated (while left frontal lobe inactive)
So in conclusion, by doing the hand posture movements, most seemingly move this waving
pressure energy in the brain, from lobe to lobe.I think this is what Sifu Terry is calling "washing
the brain"
This is just the warm-up med, it's not even MSW--where you can feel more of internal energy
movements in your brain, and to activated other lobes as well, (not just frontal lobes) .Flying
Phoenix and whole brain activation?
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“Insight follows change; never precedes it”
ShivaShakti
Posted March 20, 2013 (edited)
Hey Eugene,
So you want to experience bliss...
Here's a tip that maybe you can follow. This is the way, I do it BTW.
Do Vol 2 in the morning, 5,60,80,40,30 and 90,50,40,30,10
take a good nutritious lunch, on the afternoon, 5,60,80,40,30 and 90,50,40,30,10, and
90,80,50,20
eat nutritious at dinner. Evening 5,60,80,40,30 and 50,40,30,10
Do all these meds, everyday. You may experience some bliss/feel good/good mood on the
third day. Even in the first day if you've done them correctly/properly.
Now do these meds real slow, meaning be so mindfully engage in your hand movements. pay
very close attention to your every movements. Now if you do this correctly/properly, you should
notice that your awareness is expanded! if not, you’re not really paying much attention.
Now what is expanded consciousness like, or feel like? in this mind state, you perceive more
"space", and so when you extend your arms, you can sense that your arms seems much longer"
(also when you raise your arms, they seems much higher). you don't need to visualize it, that your
limbs are longer, you will perceive it automatically when you really become that fully engage in
your hands movements and body sensations.
It this expanded state, you will also tend to enjoy your practice more, so longer hours tend to be
enjoyable rather than to bore you to death
This is my usual time periods
5,60,80,40,30 = 7 to 10 minutes
90,50,40,30,10 = 30 min
50,40,30,10 = 50 min to 1 hour (this meds have lots of movements, so it is taking longer)
90,80,50,20 = 30 min
All of what I have said, is also the key to having penetrating eyes and having to experience a
powerful personality change. also you can have insights.
Good luck to your FP practice and enjoy it!
***If you follow the prescription laid out by Shiva Shakti, you cannot go wrong with enjoying maximum benefits from the FP Qigong Seated MSW meditations (Vol.2 and 7)--with the caveat that you must do at the very least and equal amount of the standing FP Meditations on Volumes 1, 3, 4, and 5 and preferably at a ratio of 2:1--i.e., spend twice as much time and energy on the FP standing meditations as you do on the seated MSW meditations, YOU CANNOT GO WRONG and will be ELATED. Again (I repeat this constantly), although the seated MSW meditations may seem more affective (you feel more energy in the upper body, hands, and head), the standing FP meditations are much more powerful healthwise to the whole human process.)
Enjoy,
Sifu Terry
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On 9/15/2023 at 12:09 PM, Learner said:Thanks for your answer Sifu Terry. I am at a period in my life where I am humbled down and I am very grateful to this forum through which I can reach you. Sifu Terry, You mentioned the man having positive experiences with FP Qigong. Is there any specific Vol of the series which he practices to calm down his mind?
Hi Learner,
The person I mentioned in email is a beginner who came to 2 of my 3-day residential workshops last fall and who pratices mostly the meditations on Volumes 1 to 3. Quick answer: Do Volumes 1 and 2 for quieting the mind and calming the entire body.
The entire FP Qigong system and each and every exercise that comprises it is calming. This is first brought about by the unique percentage breath-control formulas that are part of every meditation at the start. Each one so thoroughly focuse the mind on one's breathing process that the mind is calmed through mild concentration. Second, the tangible FP Healing Qi that's cultivated by the combination of breath control formula paired with a specific posture or pre-choreographed form--by some unknown and not yet scientifically researched mechanism--is purely healing, purely relaxing and calming.
My experience--along with every FP practitioner I have taught in person or on Zoom or who has used my DVD series--is that FP Qigong imparts its wide range of health benefits--including sound and restful sleep--through its totally unique and (at present) mysterious calming effects.
But to answer your question: if I was to select specific meditations that quickly bring about deeply calming effect, I would say these:
1. All the exercises on Volume 1--but with special emphasis on the stationary ones: Monk Holds Pearl, Monk Holding Peach, and Monk Gazing At Moon.
And most effective for calmness: Do Monk Holding Pearl in supine position--lying on your back on a comfortable surface like a thick rug or a bed. This one meditation in supine position has been proven to induce calm and restoration in every class and workshop I've given since 1992.
2. All of the Meditations on Volume 2--but with slightly more emphasis on the first 3 "warmup" meditations: (5 60 80 40 30), (50 30 10), and (50 10 50).
**But even the last seated MSW meditation on Vol.2 (90 80 50 20) that will prevent sleep and keep one up for hours is calming!!
Again, in general, do everything on Volumes 1 and 2 to induce deep calmness.
Enjoy your practice.
Sifu Terry
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Hi Alex,
Sorry for delay in answering. I've been unpacking after a 3-week move from Connecticut to a new abode in upstate New York.
I'm very glad to hear that you've experienced those 4 new health benefits in addition to the initial ones.
-improved libido
-further relaxation
-improved ability to clear thoughts from my head
-coordination and connection
All 4 of the above are commonly occuring benefits from regular FP Qigong practice.
The "mind clearing" and ability to mentally focus is a benefit that I chalk up under what the late Master T.K. Shih defines as Qigong's 4th essential benefit: (4) "improves intelligence". See his book Qigong Therapy (Station Hill Press), which is required reading for all my students for the past 30 years:
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/qi-gong-therapy-the-chinese-art-of-healing-with-energy_tsu-kuo-shih/842730/item/6841578/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pmax_high_vol_scarce_%2410_%2450&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAvdCrBhBREiwAX6-6Uj5-zSRSccZniyaJxeHsIveH7weMFcVH3omf4NRsercLQn5bfYK0dBoCDEoQAvD_BwE#idiq=6841578&edition=1105957
ANSWERS to your questions:
1. Is there anything specific that could help with acid reflux? I get it at night and it interferes with my sleep. So far I've been practicing Monk Holding Pearl and the first seated warmup meditation before bed, but it doesn't help much with this.
No, unfortunately, I'm not aware of any specific FP Qigong exercise or combination that would help with that. But right offhand, I would advise you to consult a good holistic nutritionist, if you haven't already.
2. I know the system is different from Chinese medicine, but does FP also indirectly improve the organs from a Chinese perspective?
Of course it does. As I explained early in this thread by quoting Grandmaster Doo Wai:
"Flying Phoenix Qigong activates the self healing faculties of the body by bringing all the organ systems under the regulation of the subconscious mind."
If I were to get my pulse taken before/after a few months of FP practice, would there be a difference?
It depends on your lifestyle--on your balance of diet and exercise. How active and/or athletic you are, and it depends on the quality of your diet.
3. How did you discover that Tao Tan Pai serves as a catalyst for FP?
ANSWER: after practicing Tao Tan Pai kung fu and Nei Kung for 40 solid years (1973 to 2013) and teaching it for 30 years (since 1983), and while I was practicing and teaching FP Qigong for 20 solid years--from 1993 to 2013--those 20 years overlapping the last 20yrs of TTP practice, I directly experienced the catalyzing, accelerative effects that TTP Qigong (starting with its basic level, the Tao Tan Pai Basic 31 Meditations) had on Flying Phoenix Qigong's cultivation.
And could this hold true for other forms of Daoist neigong as well?
I don't know. I can only speak from my experience of Tao Tan Pai nei Kung in relation to my practice of FP Qigong.
I started my training in Tao Tan Pai in 1975 at the Taoist Sanctuary of Los Angeles and received instructor's certification in the system in 1983 after learning its 5 animal kung fu forms and it's very powerful and esoteric Nei Kung system that has 6 distinct levels--7 levels if one includes the Tai Chi Ruler system that GM Share Lew also taught (but which we know comes from Huashan Taoism). I began learning FP Qigong in early 1991 from GM Doo Wai and was teaching it on my own by late 1992. In fact, GM Doo Wai had me teaching FP to the rest of the class immediately because I was picking it up so fast. When I was learning the FP Qigong, I showed GM Doo Wai several levels of the Tao Tan Pai Yogas. Because he was friends with and a peer of Taoist priest Share K. Lew and clearly understood what Tao Tan Pai Nei Kung was and could "see" how it worked, he told me that it was fine to "mix the two energies." Even so, over the years, I have kept my practice of TTP separated from my practice of FP Qigong and Bok Fu Pai internal arts by a minimum 2-3 hours because the two schools of nei kung are as different as night and day in terms of yogic methodology.
By 2013, after having taught Tao Tan Pai Basic 31 Meditations (first level of TTP) alongside TTP Kung Fu for 30 years (since 1983) and after having taught FP Qigong for 20 solid years, when I began teaching both arts regularly every week in NCCAOM-accredited courses at Emperors College in Sant Monica (the No.2 acupuncture/Chinese medical college in America), I directly experienced the catalyzing and enhancing of the FP Qigong health benefits by the Tao Tan Pai Qigong--in every cell of my body. If one masters the TTP system, which is extremely shen-driven, and then masters FP Qigong (and other Bok Fu Pai arts), which are mysteriously breathe-driven by virtue of their breathe-control formulas and posture-driven--all the while being very shen-passive , then one has the chops to note any synergies between the two systems. And the synergies between Tao Tan Pai and FP Qigong happen to be directional: TTP catalyzes, accelerates and enhances FP Qigong cultivation and its health benefits. So technically speaking, the effect of previous TTP training on FP Qigong really isn't "synergy" --but "catalyzation" of the FP Qigong cultivation by the Tao Tan Pai conditioning.
I've learned some neigong from another qigong master and I'm wondering if I could try doing it before FP to achieve a similar effect. (and whether there are any signs that this is a bad idea and I should abort).
It depends on what the other system is and whether you have the complete system under your belt.
I would suggest first mastering the other system in its entirety before juxtaposing its practice with FP Qigong practice and trying to compare the effects and note any interactions/synergies.
4. Besides slowing down my progress, are there any other negative consequences to doing some meditations disproportionately? I've been doing Monk Holding Pearl a lot more than the other exercises.
No, there are no negative consequences by emphasizing one FP meditation over another or over others. There's nothing wrong with doing Monk Holding Pearl a lot more than other meditations. It also depends on your goals in FP practice and how fast or slow you want to learn the whole system. Some people can learn it in 9 months. Others prefer to take 3 years. But ultimately, to derive the full potential benefits of FP Qigong, one must become proficient in the Long Form Meditation on Vol.4 that bears the name of teh system, "Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditation."
**As GM Doo Wai told me in 1992 --and I have this in videotape that will post on Vimeo or Youtube some time:
"JUST ONE of the Flying Phoenix sequence will allow you to "bring them back".
JUST ONE of them will do it.
Combine them all together and you'll do even more amazing things."
Enjoy your practice. Practice correctly.
Put the time in and achieve the "gung"...
Then you will answer all your questions yourself.
Flying Phoenix Qigong is SELF-EXPLANATORY--because the system is so easy to practice while its effects are so profound.
Sifu Terry Dunn
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