immortal_sister

maybe this is a waste of time, but in case anyone still reading this thread actually cares about the truth and wants to go beyond internet gossip, i would like to add to what jamyang wrote. i too know micah personally and have for over 8 years. i studied taichi under him for many years and dabbled in other things with him as well, bagua, some qigong, etc. he is an excellent teacher and a respectable man. as a student and friend of his, i feel it is my duty to speak up when so many people are slandering him.

 

micah is exactly who he says he is, yes he trains as much as he says he does, and no, he is not the same person as "shifu lin". i knew about "shifu lin" a long time before anyone even knew that he was even involved with mopai. i have no reason to doubt anything that micah has ever said about him. you can think what you want about the way micah markets things, that's fine. but it is seriously bad karma to drag someone through the mud on the internet when you have no idea who they are and are just speaking out of spite, or boredom, or who knows what. the truth is out there for those that actually care about the truth. that's the bottom line.

 

instead of spending hours on the internet trying to find dirt on someone you do not know, spreading lies, maybe you can spend that time meditating and training. just an idea

just a few websites & books that i really enjoy and that have really helped me on my path to improving my health (physical, emotional and spiritual) and my cultivation...

 

http://www.amazon.com/Jade-Woman-Qigong-Healing-Medicine/dp/1425181414

http://www.thedesiletsmethod.com

http://www.gardenoffertility.com/

http://www.ashtreepublishing.com/Book_Luna_Yoga_Blood_Mysteries2.htm

http://www.ashtreepublishing.com/Book_Healing_Wise_Blood_Mystery.htm

It is good qigong. Thanks for sharing your teacher's video here, immortal sister!

 

glad you enjoyed it!

 

not as "extreme" as the kind of practices everyone likes to talk about around here, so i thought it might be nice to share, if anything as a kind of counter balance, so people realize that powerful qigong or neigong does not need to be complicated or dangerous.

this is the first time that master liu has shared any videos on the internet.
this is a nice simple qigong form for the immune system. i would love to hear comments from anyone who tries it!

i am going to study with her again this weekend, can't wait

ramadan mubarak!

very interesting, lets see what i can come up with...

 

my maiden name is derived from a celtic name that means "god", my first name means "pure".

my husband's last name means "from the mountain", his first name means "gift from god".

 

father: last name means "god" and first name means "courageous bear".

 

mother: last name means "wide open" and first name means "lily".

 

 

very beautiful to look at our origins from this perspective!

Also meant to add she has hyperandrogenism and sometimes gets hair loss, and increased muscle gains and the like.

 

So, throwing that out there.

 

Thanks for all the replies.

 

John

 

yes qigong would be a wonderful place to start. jade woman qigong is a form that was created to help women balance out issues like PCOS; i have been practicing it and absolutely love it. i think it would be worth it for your friend to look into.

http://www.linggui.org/order-book-or-dvd/

 

i think looking for medical advice on a forum like this though is a tricky endeavor. PCOS is a complex condition, and you will find literally hundreds of different forms of advice online, many of which are downright harmful.

 

taking lots of pills and vitamins is not going to help. her body needs to be able to rebalance its hormones, and therefore the liver should not be overtaxed. multivitamins have been shown in studies to not improve much of anything when it comes to health. much better to just eat a wide variety of whole, fresh foods.

 

chinese medicine has been very effective at treating PCOS and other hormonal imbalances from what i have heard. i have personally been treated for female issues with herbs and acupuncture and have been seeing some great changes over the last few months. i think it is one of the safest approaches, because chinese medicine will look at the body as a whole and treat it accordingly, versus just taking a strong supplement that will have an action on cysts, for example, but could potentially have a negative on hormones. herbs are a safer approach, in my opinion, when formulated/prescribed by someone qualified.

kali yoga & dreamingawake, i appreciate both your posts and i understand your points of view, and tend to agree with it. i have no grandiose expectations of people fully understanding what they are looking for or why they are even seeking what they are seeking. however, that doesn't mean that one shouldn't ask those questions to at least potentially get that ball rolling in the person's mind. i think that has a lot of value. agree to disagree i guess.

 

time to change, don't apologize for asking a question. seeking knowledge is important! i asked you a question though that i personally feel is important to ask yourself, as it will ultimately help you decipher the road ahead and the many paths that are available in self-development. whether you answer here on the forum or not is not really the point.

I wasn't trying to criticize your post. Just using it as an example since it was the most convenient You've gotta admit, sloppy has a huge point. People here almost never talk methods but instead go on and on about why you shouldn't be looking for power ad nauseam.

 

You can use my post as an example. I gave him enough info to clarify some points and pointed him in the direction of a qualified teacher that can take him closer to where he's trying to go. Is that so difficult?

 

there is a time and place to give people instruction and talk about actual methods. and in fact, there are LOTS of posts where people do. but the way his post was written, with no information about where he is at with his own practice, or if he even has one, didn't really strike a chord.

 

your post was good, yes. good for you for wanting to help a guy out. but i tend to feel like that kind of post, honestly, doesn't deserve a well thought out answer with some wisdom and guidance. his post wasn't well thought out or well written, and the intention that came through was not one that i, personally, feel i should cater to. i asked him a question to give him a chance to write more and explain where he is at. but he didn't bother to reply.

if someone is asking about how to develop very advanced skills, without giving any information about their background or experience, i think asking someone why they want to achieve those skills is perfectly reasonable. in fact, it is MUCH more reasonable than just giving someone instructions via an internet forum that they could misinterpret or that could potentially harm them. the practices that are required to achieve skills like those mentioned are actually potentially quite dangerous if not done under spervision (whether its hard external training, hard qigong, or advanced qi packing neigong).

 

like you said yourself, most people will never be able to do the things this guy mentioned in his opening post.

 

the "why" is very important because it dictates the road someone will take or should take or shouldn't take.

 

i was not being dismissive, i was asking a legitimate question that the opening poster did not answer.

 

same for the "third eye" thread. i asked him why he wanted to be able to open his third eye. simple question. never got an answer. opening the third eye is not some simple sunday afternoon endeavor, nor is it usually the ultimate goal of practice.

 

anyhow. my two cents for what its worth. i am glad that this forum does have a buffer and that people have discussions about these advanced practices. thats the way it should be. no one should just be sent off to meditate in full lotus for an hour a day without any instruction

you should write a memoir.

 

thank you for posting such a personal and powerful story.

Daisy Lee teaches Radiant Lotus Qigong for women only.

 

thank you for the link! seems like she has created a very interesting system. i'm going to bookmark her website, might buy her DVD in the future.

Interesting thread!

Who are the women you know about, capable of teaching Qigong? Neigong?

 

other than the women i already mentioned, i have not encountered that many. there are probably many women that teach qigong in a martial arts setting, but i don't know that there are many that teach high level healing qigong or neigong.

 

in a thread a few months ago, someone mentioned a female teacher somewhere in the south eastern US that taught taichi and qigong and was supposedly excellent. i cannot remember her name.

 

there is effie chow too, this is her website www.eastwestqi.com

 

there is another woman i know of from a fairly secretive taoist system that teaches neigong as well as the female sexual practices. she is an old student of the grand master of a system one of my teacher studies. i don't know much about her, i have been trying to get in touch with her for some time actually via my teacher. but they are pretty closed doors. we'll see.

 

and there is angela yan, which there was a thread about recently here. no one seems to know where she is teaching, or if she is teaching. she used to be based in buffalo. this is a video of her :

i am concerned by the fact that several people continue to feed into lino's delusions. this is a problem, he obviously needs help and will not be getting it from a forum, nor will he be listening to the many people who have already recommended that he seek help in one way or another.

 

the least we can do for him is to stop feeding into the dark illusions that he is putting out.

i say this out of nothing but compassion and love.

my opinion is to seek out a female teacher for those kinds of practices. a man may be extremely knowledgeable and highly advanced in his practice, but he will only have ever read about the female practices, it will only be theory to him, not experience. to me that makes a big difference. i wouldn't want to learn qigong from someone who had only read about it, you know? other may disagree with me, but personally i find this to be very important. i know that several male teachers out there teach some of the female practices, like mantak chia. personally, having read chia's books it never really did it for me, the energy was clearly masculine in the way he explained things, and it made it harder for me to really connect to the practice.

 

i had studied qigong and internal work with men or read books by men in the past, and i often found that it just didn't "click". early last year i decided to seek out a female teacher for qigong or neigong. i eventually found my current teacher, master liu he, of the ling gui healing qigong school, in portland OR www.linggui.org she is absolutely amazing and i have seen a HUGE difference learning qigong from a woman. she also does many forms that are female specific and that are absolutely beautiful, feminine and powerful.

 

she does not do any sexual alchemy work though, and i do still want to find a teacher for those practices, as i have only ever learned from books and CDs. i recommend jade saida's work for female practices. she has a really great book out called "the emergence of the sensual woman". this is her website www.thedesiletsmethod.com she does many workshops that i have heard great things about. i have not studied with her in person yet but i plan to someday.

 

i personally wouldn't mind, per say, talking about personal feminine things with a man. my current acupuncturist is a man and i talk about a lot of very personal feminine issues with him, and it is comfortable. however, i would not see a male OB/GYN, for example, thats a different story. in terms of learning sexual practices directly from a teacher, i simply would not choose to do this with a male teacher. even though it would probably be okay to talk about it, i don't think they would have enough knowledge to really grasp the intricacies of the female practices. we have to keep in mind that male sexual organs are completely external, which dictates in many ways their experience and approach to certain practices. for us, everything is internal and much more mystical. i could look at a guy doing an external practice like genital weight lifting for example, and begin to understand how it works. but for a guy to look at a woman doing genital weight lifting, everything is going on internally, they couldn't actually see what was going on! this is just an example, do you know what i mean?

 

anyhow, i'll end my rant and wait to see what others have to share!

Yeah, I guess I'd "work out" more if I didn't get such weirdo reactions from men about it.

 

 

for one, i don't think any man or anyone needs to know that you use jade eggs

 

but on the other hand, personally, if i told someone about it and they were really weird about it / didn't understand, that would just be an easy way to know that they might not be someone i want in my life anyways.

Can you sit in full lotus comfortably? Then, yes it would. But if you can't sit in it comfortably, and are struggling or in pain, that would make it very difficult to enter a qigong state and receive the benefits of the exercises. In which case, it might be better to practice the qigong in a chair (or other easier seated pose), and work towards full lotus pose in a separate session (not during qigong). Just my opinion...

 

i agree with his opinion.

i believe that doing energy work in full lotus is considered a more advanced sitting posture than half lotus, or simple cross legged. if you are starting out, and if you don't have a direct teacher you are working with that can guide you through this, i would recommend starting with simple sitting, like dainin said, and go from there.

thanks for posting! indeed we don't use our sense of smell enough when it comes to taking care of ourselves. especially in regards to the vagina, smell is everything! most women don't pay attention enough i think, and feel "gross" about smelling themselves or even tasting themselves. but there is great wisdom in knowing your body really well

Michael Moore is light,

Obama Akhenaten-

we're still in the dark!

 

 

we're still in the dark

eyes closed, duality melts

illusion of self

 

 

 

ps. hi paul! we need to catch up!

Thanks for listening to this overlong discussion of a very minor technique issue.

 

ain't it grand that we can have civil discourse? thanks all

 

Craig

 

it is indeed grand! i asked this questions hoping for a good discussion and i got it! thank you everyone. i am going to experiment with both and see what is comfortable / more potent.

 

i love when this forum actually gets used for what it was intended for, and not for drama

Maybe it's a 'chocolate or butterscotch' type question...

 

it appears to be! always nice to hear other people's opinion and experiences, even if its ultimately a matter of preference.

PPS - to not hijack this thread let me say again that Wu's approach is very traditional. I believe the common Taoist practice is tongue up AND teeth closed. Overall its quite a minor point however I found it made a distinct difference in practice.

 

thank you for your insight craig. i will certainly be asking my teacher next time i see her. until then i will experiment a little with both.

 

last night during meditation i kept my teeth slightly apart as i normally do when i relax completely, and i did notice that i could feel the energetic connection between my teeth. if i put my focus there it felt as if my teeth were touching even though they weren't. very interesting.

ok u guys know alot so please help me i want to learn how to project chi into my finger and burn stuf also can someone explain tummo the tantien chi and how i can become like those monk who can break stuff with their heads and arms i have a lot of free time so tell and il do

 

why do you want to be able to do those things?

 

hmm sometimes i wonder if these posts are even for real...

thank you for your post hundun. that definitely tends to be my approach to these things, "do what feels natural and correct". sometimes there are some little adjustments that i am told about that end up being fairly important, but i never really asked anyone about the teeth.

same for the location of the tongue. i have heard schools say to place it as far back as you can. frankly thats just painful!! i completely understand why that would be used and in what context. but for what i am doing right now, i really can't imagine that to be necessary. seems like relaxation and doing what feels natural is where its at for me

I have the teeth very close: Almost, but not touching. IMHO the tongue takes care of the connection between the governing and conception vessels while the rest of the face, jaws and mouth may relax.

 

that resonates with me too... thats what i have tended to do, simply because having the teeth together requires me to hold tension in the jaw, and i find it distracting. my jaw is also kind of screwed up and my teeth don't align quite right