dakini

Is a forum really the proper place to for this? It seems to me a PM approach would be more appropriate. I don't like reading ANY of this. It reads just like a gossip column and feels just as slimy. Any personal issues should be dealt with directly. Especially considering the level of practitioners involved. I believe every one of them deserves more respect that this. Just my opinion. I mean it with the best intention.

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Be a good person. I understand it now.

Now is what is important, not one day.

 

I've watched you do this to countless people, on the Kunlun forum and here.

You keep focusing on just a few, saying it's just a few but there's been more than that.

People stop practicing because they can't fix their health issues and because practical and technical knowledge is lacking. They move onto other teachers for help.

 

That stops them from completing this path. You do want them to leave.

 

Be a good person. Make the effort. Don't let this happen to anyone else. You can prevent this from happening to anyone else.

Chris/Satori, Eileen thank you for showing everyone what kind of treatment they can expect in the event they should need some guidance/help with the practices. How you responded throughout illustrates perfectly the treatment they will receive and what oceanside and I had become accustomed too.

 

My thanks to -O- for being the only voice of reason. I hope the Kunlun crew learned something from you. I noticed in some of their responses they gleaned heavily from your wisdom. It's been sorely lacking in the past. I know you helped them too.

I get it.

As to what the others are doing out there I don't know. I am not involved with that program.

 

Well now...it's just been part of your job to pump em out and ship em out and then....and then you wash your hands of them right? You of course are in no way responsible for what they are doing right? Of course not, hell no.

 

Sweet Jesus.

None of you know what you are doing.

Now, put the guns back in the holster Texan!

Seriously, stop overreacting. You're being kind of a butt in your approach.

Everyone involved with Mantra Productions does their best. I've seen Max and Chris give MORE than 100% of themselves. It comes from the heart. If you only knew..... They've sacrificed A LOT. Chris has spent A LOT of time on the computer helping people. You just assume.

No one is perfect, though (not even you, Texan) and you just can't please everyone. I'm glad we helped the people we did. We met some amazingly beautiful souls through this venture. It felt so good to see miracles transpire and to know that we played a small role in helping organize to bring things together. It so sad to see the criticism, even if it is from a faceless, nameless internet attack. There are some wonderful people that you are lashing out at. Very sad.

He wrote earlier about the problem he was having,

but I guess you didn't notice, overlooked it, or he didn't deserve an answer? You never asked him anything else about it and just told him to take a break. All his questions were about this cold feeling that started with RP 1.

 

He stopped practicing Kunlun and RP about a month ago and still feels that internal cold, and his head feels heavy and confused. The "negativity" may be because he physically feels unwell.

Now, you're just a little trouble-maker, too, aren't you? Misconstruing comments.

I welcomed this person to PM me. They can keep their anonymity. I don't like forums.

Peace.

 

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You don't respond. I emailed Max and

Chris more than once and none of you responded. You don't respond.

Don't lie to everyone about that too.

I learned a lot from -O- and what I learned made me see some things clearly.

I'll start the day fresh and new and let go of what I am responsible for, but

the things I'm not responsible for and you are they'll take longer to

let go of.

If you never got an answer, then you probably didn't deserve one. Sorry. It's true. Maybe your email was lost, maybe it wasn't received, maybe it was divine intervention, maybe it just wasn't as important as the other 100 emails that day. There are a million possibilities. Who knows? If this is Gloria, then I did respond to you.

Whoever you are, you have a lot to work through. I hope you can let go of your negative feelings and stop dwelling on things. They will only make you rot inside. I mean it when I say that I wish you happiness.

I think I remember why I don't get on forums. So much negativity.

Best Wishes.

Maybe I'll try again in another year.

This is one of your students, yes? http://www.thetaobums.com/Chi-effects-t10972.html

 

Is this a health issue? Why is this person asking strangers on a forum about this? I followed the conversation here and have read through all these pages. I am very happy that I did not attend when you came to Italy. You are all crazy, tutti pazzi!

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Please define and explain further those you consider to be addicted detailing symptoms.

 

Would the addicted people also be the ones who have attended more than one seminar, and frequent the Kunlun forum?

 

I guess I should start by telling you who I am. My name is Eileen. I am with Mantra Productions and I am the girl with the dark brown hair who is usually checking people in and doing paperwork at the door. Maybe you can PM me and tell me who you are because I'm sure we've met. If not, I respect your anonymity.

I don't want to "define" a "Kunlun addict". That's absurd. I'm just saying that it was starting to become an issue.

 

Is there ever a need to ask a teacher questions with the Max practices? In what situations/when would asking questions of the teacher be reasonable and in the student's benefit to do so? Please explain/detail.

No. Hypothesis from other students only.

 

 

Yes, there are times when there is a need to ask questions. The important questions (usually regarding health) have ALWAYS been answered very quickly. As for the Kunlun forum, there are lots of eyes and ears (close friends and long-time students) there and if there's something that seems really important, it does get back to Chris and, if necessary, Max.

Many times there is no perfect answer. Each person has a different, individual experience. Again, the answers are all within us. It does take time and patience to figure some things out but it's always there. It's a characteristic of people in the West to want to be given all the answers. We're so used to having answers at our fingertips. When we can't find these answers, it's gets discouraging.

I'm not sure what problems you were having but, as someone else on the forum mentioned, it does sound like you are or were on the verge of an opening. It's often not a pleasant experience (emotionally or physically) and during these times we tend to question a lot of things and point fingers. I've gone through it, and still do. When I trust myself and trust the process, things are much more pleasant. If I'm going through an experience that I don't like (in my practice or in life in general), it's usually because I have to learn something from it. There's always a lesson.

I'm going to probably refrain from getting on the forum for awhile. Until the other day, I think it had been a year since I'd been here, so I apologize if I respond slowly or if I don't respond. I rarely get on the forums because they just draw me in and and suck away all my free time. Besides, Chris is much better at this than I. If anyone ever needs something, feel free to PM me. I'll always eventually respond.

One morning a month ago I woke up and just felt tired, there was no more wind for my sails.

 

I enjoyed the practices, but the rest...the rest slows the path down. Maybe the mistake I made was going onto the

forum. I should have taken better notes. I shouldn't have read the journal of others. Maybe I should have started email communication with one of the teachers and not talked with anyone else...I don't know...

Hi Oceanside,

The forums can make things confusing and I think the attitudes and egos make it extra tough. Since everyone has different experiences, one starts to compare and wonder if they're having a "normal" response.

I think taking a break might be exactly what you need. You're following your instincts and there's nothing wrong with that. Maybe you were pushing too hard? I don't know, really. Only you would know. I'd hate to speculate on your experience.

I've taken breaks before and I actually grew even more during those times. Eventually the practice would start to activate on it's own and I always took it as a sign that it was time to start up again.

Sorry you've had a rough time. Just trust that you're doing what's right for you.

And what information did Jenny receive from her teacher about the spontaneous practice? Nothing. He gave her the method and that was it.

 

This is where the "figure it out yourself" philosophy came from. I think Jenny does offer some more information than what her teacher gave her, because the Western mind is information crazy, with impatience nourished by instant information and answers delivered via the web.

 

When you provide people the gift of self-discovery so that they can figure it out for their own benefit, many will fail to really get it.

 

Max and Chris had a fine line to walk between informing and allowing and that needs to be understood and appreciated for what it was.

 

I think Chris went way out of his way dealing with all of the questions on this forum just to try to give the correct sense of what these practices were really all about. I don't think it was for PR as much as much as it was following the above philosophy.

 

People don't want to be empowered. Because of conditioning, they want to be told what to do and what the exact end result will be.

 

LAAAAAAAME. Get a sense of adventure and you'll have one amazing self-discovery after another.

 

"It's like being Indiana Jones, but internally" - Max

Satori, I agree with what you say, although you're sometimes a little fiery for my taste. It's okay. You're still cool in my book.

I think Max has a wonderful practice that he wanted to share with the world, in order to help people. He didn't want to be looked upon as a teacher. He didn't want followers. He wanted to show a practice that would empower people to find their own power within. In that sense, it may have failed for many. Instead, people became addicted, wanted to be given all the answers. Since Kunlun is an internal process, which brings up different experiences to each individual, based on their own personal needs, the process is never the same. Each person has to venture within for the full experience.

Max approached this venture with the right spirit, anticipating a good response. Chris definitely had the right intention. The practice did wonders for both and they wanted to share. Unfortunately, many people don't have the courage or strength to face their internal struggles alone. Those are the ones who seem to stray from the practice. They want to have someone hold their hand, they want explanations. ALL THE ANSWERS ARE WITHIN US! It might take time and patience to figure it out but it's all there.

I've had to take breaks from the practice, at times, when it got too intense but I figured things out and moved forward. It's a long road and I have a long way to go but it feels good to know you've conquered some of your own demons. There are many layers to the onion. Will I ever attain re-enlightenment? Who knows but I'm sure a lot healthier and happier these days.

I am grateful to Max and Chris for taking the time and effort to share Kunlun. Sure, there may have been mistakes made along the way but I know every effort came from the heart. Through Kunlun I've learned to face my fears and I've learned to trust the process and especially, to trust myself.

Two things Max always stresses:

1. Smile

2. Keep a child-like mind.

If you enter the practice with this state of mind, and look at it like "playing a game", I really think you'll have a much better experience.

Of course, we all have inner "demons", emotional blocks that we have to face. The practice will bring this out, as well. Still, even in these moments, trying to smile through it helps a lot. You eventually realize the absurdity of these blocks and will probably end up laughing in bliss. In the end, there is such a great feeling of clarity and peace.

Hope you find the strength to try again with a fresh state of mind.

Either way, smile.

I hate posting messages for everyone to see, but I have some concerns about your research. I, myself, have been a reporter for FOX, CBS and other news outlets for about 12 years. I spend a lot of my time doing research and "investigating" people and their backgrounds. I absolutely understand your quest for knowledge, however, I know for a fact, that you don't have the full story. By posting your partial research, you are really making Max look bad. I guarantee you, he is the real deal and there is more to this practice than his teachers would tell a stranger. Andrew Lum and Jenny Lamb are very nice people (and very powerful) but there is information they won't share with long-time students, much less, a stranger on the phone. Also, they aren't Max's only teachers.

There is so much more that cannot even be understood by the average person. It would take an open mind and experience to truly understand. I took the leap because my inuition/ higher-self made me feel very strongly to do so. Also, I knew Max as a person first and foremost (not a just a teacher) and knew he was a beautiful soul who I could trust.

Please complete your research before posting further information. This really could be hurtful to those of us who spend so much time trying to share this practice with others. Mantra (Chris) is working on putting together a more detailed account of Max's background.

Please just be careful what you post, though. It really can be hurtful if you don't have the full story, especially because there are so many people that are looking hard for a reason to discredit Max.

Blogs can really be hurtful. Max works so hard to help people and cares so much. I would really even hate for him to see what's being posted in response to your "research". I know he will, though. :-(

With respect and sincerity,

Dakini

(Eileen Gonzales)

Very interesting, yes. We all go on detours, don't we. It's one of the real ways of learning.

 

I hope someone will describe the Red Phoenix posture for me so that I may analyze it's aspects for you.

 

Thanks,

Starjumper Extraordinaire.

Why do you want to analyze the posture? The posture doesn't matter. Results matter. Tell me about results and I might care.

Why are you so insistent on bashing a practice you have never tried. Maybe you have done things that are similar and maybe you are an expert at those practices, but you obviously have no knowledge of kunlun.

BUT this is the question that everyone seems to miss, doesn't Max encourage this in the book on page 94 with "This method is freely available to everyone"

 

Edit page 95 "This book is a gift for the world. Please share this knowledge freely."

So then share the BOOK. Send the copy to someone you want to share it with. PDF's are COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. No matter how you look at it. That is ILLEGAL. Like ripping off music from the internet. Have some respect for Max. Don't steal.

Bullshit!!

Your attitude reveals your aptitude.

LOL Chris needs to take some more drugs cause he didnt sound to with it in that interview!

 

ITS IN MY HEAD???? WTF

Who bought this monkey a computer?

I guess the KunLun has done something for you, made you into a bigger TOOL!

 

Honestly Cameron, why answer being a complete dickhead? If you dont know then just say it or dont answer!!

 

But looking at all your post you seem to not of learnt much of anything but feel some energy, your mind and heart is still weak my friend.

It's his childlike nature. I think it's great! Come on, you gotta have a sense of humor!

But then how is one to know when they are and when they are not?

 

I know the answer, and so do you...by special transmission from max and/or book purchase...IOW $ in your and max's pockets.

 

You, max and the rest of your business group should be ashamed. And presumably more fiscally solvent.

 

When you all muster the spiritual courage to give away what you've learned then you will be Tathagata.

 

Until such time you shame your spirits.

 

Reconsider.

That's really crappy.

No. Shame on you for passing judgment. The seminar costs cover very expensive flight and hotel costs. A lot of charity has also been passed on. It's not about making money. Trust me, very little money has been made and has been lost in some cases. I help put these seminars together. I have another job that pays the bills. I put A LOT of time and hard work into helping to make these seminars available for people. Shame on YOUR spirit!

If you don't want to buy the $15 dollar book, then don't! Sorry, books aren't printed for free so we have to charge. No one owes you anything.

Also, Chris gives a lot of free information in this forum. Yes, He GIVES AWAY this information. He puts a lot of time into answering peoples questions and making sure things are as clear as possible. He doesn't have do it.

As for what's important....Max gives a lot more information to others than he was given. He had to figure a lot of things out for himself. Yes, sometimes you have to work for the answers, not just have them given to you. If it is a truly important detail Max will stress the point.

I really think you've taken this a little far. You have been rude and very disrespectful in trashing a very wonderful person. This practice is not for everyone. Obviously it's not for you. This practice is about direct experience. If you gave it a chance you would have figured out everything Max teaches is true. You didn't even stay for the second day, yet you are making these very "matter of fact" determinations. Yes, there are some very outstanding claims that are made. I will agree. However, direct experience has taught me that they are true. It's likely you will never find out. That's okay. Maybe someday you will be ready to experience what is really down the rabbit hole. Maybe not.

Chris would you agree?

 

I mean..it is getting wild..seems people are sort of really interested. Should I just shut up about this? Is there anything to look for tha someone is a "sincere" seeker?

 

Seems alot of this stuff would be obvious and I don't want to corrupt the energy at the workshop. Especially if good friends of mine are coming .I would prefer to keep the vibe high.

 

Mmmm..how should I say..seems some "low vibe" people are like projecting all this ego crap on me and it's like maybe Kunlun can help? Or should I just do what Max said and be super low key?

Do what Max said. Be super low key. If people are meant to go down this path, then they will come. Ultimately, it will be their choice. Use your instincts to decide if people are "sincere" seekers. Avoid those who don't seem sincere.

The dog story is amazing, but healing a fish is over the top! At the rate Dakini is going, the stories she reports on will have happier and happier endings to the point that she'll have to become a children's book author!

Haha! You never know.......

Hi Dakini.

 

It's so nice to have you here!

 

First off, I can say that I have experienced enough 'incredible' stuff myself that I know it is a useless exercise to imagine a person can, without experience, gage what is credible or not! I'm here to listen and learn, not pick holes and have Common Sense be my King. or Queen.

 

I can understand what you are saying, somehow. I'm really glad you said what you did.

Chi can be magnetic force, though... I have been pulled by chi, magnetised by it, pulled up from the floor or whatever.

 

Yet this magnetic force is definitely not 'chi'?

 

I'd like to understand more about that point.

Hi Cat,

First of all, sorry for the credibility rant. It wasn't directed towards you. I was reluctant to join the board because of some of the responses I've heard from others so it was really for them. You've been nothing but nice.

As I've said, I'm no expert. I'm so sorry I can't elaborate on the difference between chi and kunlun energy. I think it's been addressed on another thread that another student wrote. Maybe you can do a search. I can, however, tell you what it feels like when I generate the energy and how I've applied it. For example, my dog was very sick and given less than a week to live. She's my baby and I was heartbroken. By accessing this energy, I was able to feel what was wrong inside of her. Her energy field almost felt like it had a kink in it, in the affected area (her liver). I pumped her up with Kunlun energy. Keep in mind, I'm not a healer. I have no experience doing this. Through my instincts, I knew what to do. Almost 8 months later, my dog is still here and her liver is great. I don't understand it. I did the same thing with a fish that kept floating sideways.

hi Dakini.

 

thankyou for that nice clear report.

 

Your experience sounds pretty familiar to me from transmissions I have received, not from Max.

 

I am intrigued to know what distinguishes what Max offers from what other powerful people who work via transmission also offer.

 

So the more detail you feel able to offer, the better for our understanding and comparison.

 

Thankyou so much for sharing, I hope to hear more from you about your experiences and thoughts.

Hi Cat,

Since I haven't had transmissions from anyone else, I can't compare. I've been told this practice is different because of the type of energy that is used. It's not qi (chi). It's a magnetic energy. I've learned to cultivate it to the point where I can now use the excess energy I create to help other people clear blocks and and open channels. I'm still learning how to use this. My dormant "abilities" are becoming more obvious. I'm not confident in these abilities in any way at this point but I'm beginning to realize and understand them. I hope once this is developed I will be able to help others.

I am now able to tap into the knowledge that, I guess, has been dormant with me. Knowledge from ancient times, even. I sometimes see images and scenes from the past. I know how to do things that I have not been taught in this lifetime. It's really hard to elaborate on some of this because it sounds really out there. If I had not experienced this myself I would absolutely be skeptical.

I am a journalist by trade and it's imperative, in my work, that I present things in a true and balanced manner. By sharing these experiences, I know I'm opening myself up to skepticism and ridicule and that's very hard for me. I've worked for more than a decade to earn credibility in my work and would like it in my personal life as well. I promise I am being honest.

I'm not trying to recruit people to do this practice. It's not for everybody. If it's right for you, you will feel it. If it's not, please don't judge others who are trying to share. I only know it has made a huge difference in my life.

hi Dakini.

 

thankyou for that nice clear report.

 

Your experience sounds pretty familiar to me from transmissions I have received, not from Max.

 

I am intrigued to know what distinguishes what Max offers from what other powerful people who work via transmission also offer.

 

So the more detail you feel able to offer, the better for our understanding and comparison.

 

Thankyou so much for sharing, I hope to hear more from you about your experiences and thoughts.

Hi Cat,

Since I haven't had transmissions from anyone else, I can't compare. I've been told this practice is different because of the type of energy that is used. It's not qi (chi). It's a magnetic energy. I've learned to cultivate it to the point where I can now use the excess energy I create to help other people clear blocks and and open channels. I'm still learning how to use this. My dormant "abilities" are becoming more obvious. I'm not confident in these abilities in any way at this point but I'm beginning to realize and understand them. I hope once this is developed I will be able to help others.

I am now able to tap into the knowledge that, I guess, has been dormant with me. Knowledge from ancient times, even. I sometimes see images and scenes from the past. I know how to do things that I have not been taught in this lifetime. It's really hard to elaborate on some of this because it sounds really out there. If I had not experienced this myself I would absolutely be skeptical.

I am a journalist by trade and it's imperative, in my work, that I present things in a true and balanced manner. By sharing these experiences, I know I'm opening myself up to skepticism and ridicule and that's very hard for me. I've worked for more than a decade to earn credibility in my work and would like it in my personal life as well. I promise I am being honest.

I'm not trying to recruit people to do this practice. It's not for everybody. If it's right for you, you will feel it, you will be curious and you will venture down this path. If it's not, please don't judge others who are trying to share. I only know it has made a huge difference in my life.

Thats a good strategy

 

Send females here to attract more bussiness?

 

hell i want to go to one of Maxes seminars now cos there are females there !!

If there are any men that would attend these seminars simply because there are women, don't bother.

If you're cruising for chicks, why don't you try a yoga class instead? (I hope you're not serious)

welcome dakini.

 

Tell us how it has been for you. We are very curious about Kunlun and would like to hear as many points of view as possible, from those with first hand experience.

I've been following the threads for a while and decided it was time to join in.

I absolutely don't want to get into anything technical about the practice. I'm no expert. Aside from yoga, I don't have experience with any other energy practices so I can't compare. I can only share what I've experienced and hope it will help.

I've been doing the practice since February. I had a dream that I should go to Hawaii to see Max. I felt compelled. I had met Max before but at the time wasn't drawn to the practice. I guess I wasn't ready. Anyway, I went to Hawaii and Max transferred to me. I was immediately sensitive to the energy. It was a very quiet, simple process. I just sat there and closed my eyes but I actually saw an image when he did this. I won't say what it was but it was cool. There was no physical reacton but afterwards my arm was trembling. I got a little worried but he told me my energy was balancing itself. I felt tremors for about an hour, then it went away.

I'll fast forward from here. I started doing the practice about a couple of times a week. During the practice my shoulder would twitch pretty hard, my stomach would tighten and release, I would start to swirl into a "pillar of bliss", laughing uncontrollably. At times, I would cry, deep sobs from the depths of my soul, sometimes with memories attached, other times not. Afterwards, I would start to laugh. After bringing the energy back down and coming back to the "real" world I would feel light and cleansed. I still have these reactions but they've also become more intense and more interesting.

I have to run some errands but will elaborate more later if anyone is interested.