effilang

That will be reason why Neidan will eat it's own tail. Old rules which have no adaptation to modern mindset and anybody researching adaptation science says that without proper alignment to changes of environment species die - so with the old ways. You should understand that "westerners" (I guess you are one too.) come to that idea of "quickness" because of reality which west dominated rest of the world in one time.

The Celestial realm and the immortals who reside in it today, have enacted more changes in the divine law and made more effort to adapt to the evolution of human culture and mankind, than humanity has done for itself on Earth till this day.

We are stuck in the old ways beyond our own good and terrified of being simultaneously our own discovery as well as our own adventure. It's a shame, but that's the way it is. People are too scared to lift the pen and scribe their own experiences; they would rather proselytize the accomplishments of others until their dying day and pass away as nothing more that a carbon paper copy of another person's legacy.

If one follows the way naturally, he should be able to one day write his own Dao De Jing.

Welcome, Seeker. See you around.

...my Dantian seems to work fine when I am unconscious...

...But as soon as I wake up and my consciousness has some form of awareness on my Dantian...

I've highlighted what I think are the most important points for you to investigate.

My condolences for the suffering you have had to endure. This too shall pass.

As for Mantak Chia's practices... Let's just say I intimately know some of the pain you're experiencing.

My experience of LDT meditations is that the chi spills over and begins to saturate the rest of the system, effectively rejuvenating the entire body.

 

If you feel your burning a bit too hot you can practice doing you LDT meditation with trees (get a nice grounding influence in there  ). Just go up to them and invite them to practice with you. Cheers. 

I second the whole post.

My initial experience at this phase of practice was that the energy from the LDT begins to spill into the belt vessel (Dai Mai) first and that starts to orbit around the waist rapidly, from there it can move directly around the waist to the Life Gate (Ming Men) and up the back or it may first drop down to the perineum (Hui Yin) before trying to move through the coccyx and up the Governing Vessel (Du Mai).

It gets very tingly down there when the movement starts, especially around the bony areas like the tailbone.

This is good Houtian progress.

Keep doing what you're doing. By the sound of It, I reckon within another month of steady practice, the heat will begin to "rumble" and buzz, and then suddenly start to move.

I'd like to give a basic view from the Xiao Yao Pai perspective on how we "see" Daoist literature and how we separate it from Spiritual Daoism as opposed to strictly Philosophical and Religious practice.

Canon in Spiritual Daoism (Audio)

The only thing which gives me now second thoughts it's if my initiation can bother with Xiao Yao Pai initiation or they overlay each other.

It's no problem at all, one of this months newly initiated actually shared this testimonial that you might be able to relate to. They were initiated through shaktipath and had been practising for over 12 years under a Buddhist school.

Their transition to Xiao Yao Pai has been flawless.

It doesn't matter what you practised previously, what your race is, what your sex is or what your religion is.

The only barrier is the mind. If it is polluted by belief systems, dogma and concepts and your cup is full and overflowing during initiation, then Hu Fa Shen may take more time to focus on your mind first. If you continue to practice regularly, you will feel all your prejudice washing away gently, and you will feel happier and less disturbed by people and their personal or public lives. You will essentially embody the "Xiao Yao" nature of our school. Everyone who practises Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu gradually becomes Xiao Yao and overflowing with childlike energy and joy. It is a very common reaction among Dao Yu.

Hu Fa Shen can see us on all levels, physical, subtle energy, mind and soul - so they always know how to approach our refinement for our highest benefit. Since we came out of seclusion and opened our doors to the public in the early 70s, we've initiated over 140,000 Dao Yu who all cultivate in the comfort of their homes under the guidance of their Hu Fa Shen; none has ever expressed a physical, energetic or spiritual incompatibility with the curriculum of our celestial branch as transmitted by Hu Fa Shen. The only incompatibility is that of the acquired mind; their conditioning and beliefs vs the non-discriminative and formless nature of our teachings.

If you feel that we are too open after you begin to practice and the formations of your mind cannot fit in with our way. You can face Tai Shang and make an official request to dissolve the apprenticeship. End of story.

We have no dogma, prohibitions or books to indoctrinate you into anyway of thinking. Our educational approach is formless to reflect the emptiness of Wuji.

If you form your mind and attach your awareness to that concept, it will be trapped inside Taiji (physical realm) and it cannot vibrate high enough to exit it and enter Wuji (non-physical realm) - because the mysterious gate of Wuji to which Hu Fa Shen gently guides our awareness, can only be passed when the awareness learns to disassociate itself from impermanent physical phenomena and begins to awaken and embraces its original formless state. Then it is like the awareness synchronises with the frequency of the mysterious pass and suddenly it appears. If we dwell here, the whole spirit will be enveloped with divine energy like a cocoon, which will of itself transform it into the radiant spirit of the immortal body; this is Yang Shen. It is a gradual process of refinement, so we must practice daily with Hu Fa Shen so he can guide and enhance our transformation : )

@Seeker

I appreciate that. Although I have to be frank, I don't personally entertain the notion of "belief" without direct experiential and empirical "proof"; something that you can observe happening in the present and that you can test for yourself, but I do understand from your previous posts that your confidence in us is borne from your due diligence and the research you've conducted to dispel your doubts - so as much as I can, I will try to respect that.

Forgive my presumption, but nevertheless, I would imagine that these proofs you experienced, while on some intellectual level are satisfying, still might have been be in the form of texts, manuscripts or someone else's opinions, which are not yet the moon itself, but only the finger pointing to it - so I hope that one day we will meet & you can have a definitive confirmation.

Thank you for your kind words. 

@Seeker

Maybe if you have some time we can do a small long distance "experiment". It is at the discretion of Tai Shang. You can add me on facebook if you like: xuan daoji or we can try to do it in the Dao Bums chat, if that is allowed.

Again, no promises as this is not at my discretion, but I do have the spiritual authority to officially make the request to Tai Shang to offer you a form of "proof" prior to initiation when there is a full fledged connection and assignment to a Hu Fa Shen.

Of course this is not an initiation as I do not have authority to do so at this time, but by Tai Shang's grace he may manifest for you if he deems it appropriate  

I've already done one of these with a few members here.

@SeekerOfHealing

There are plenty of ways to "attain the Dao" as it were, we are just one.

Everyone can pick where they go, which one to test and which one to practice : )

As always for those that want to test it, we offer a way to back up our claims.

Our ability to actually prove that we can connect people to the Daoist Xian Shen and Tian Shen in our Celestial branch is the primary reason why we don't focus on "talking" in our school, but prefer to get to the "walking", because there is actually a lot of walking to do and not enough time to spend on fruitless philosophy and intellectual gymnastics.

Many other schools only have the option of "talking", because they cannot offer any proof, so when you ask them for proof, they immediately begin evasive manoeuvres like an F-16, deploy counter measures and pretend the question wasn't asked, or even less credibly, they absolve themselves of any responsibility and offer you to refer to the texts of history, so you can read about someones experiences who died a couple of thousand years ago, which can neither be confirmed nor disproven.

I'm always reminded of this meeting of Kongfuzi and Laozi in times like this:

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Confucius visited Laozi dressed in formal elaborate robes to discuss matters of ceremonial etiquette and tried to explain his belief that new knowledge must be based upon old knowledge...but was interrupted by the old master:

Laozi: "The men of whom you speak are long since dead and their bones are turned to ashes in their graves."

Laozi: "Put away your polite airs and your vain display of fine robes. The wise man does not display his treasures to those he does not know. And he cannot learn justice from the Ancients."

Confucius: "Why not?"

Laozi replied, "The swan does not need to bathe daily to remain white." then abruptly ended the meeting.

Confucius later said onto his disciples: "I know that birds can fly and fish can swim and beasts can run. Snares can be set for things that run, nets for those that swim and arrows for whatever flies. But who knows how Dragons ride the wind and cloud up into the sky. Today I saw Laozi. What a Dragon!'"

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Despite all this, I've never attacked anyone's school and have no interest to and I doubt I ever will.

I think when one is confident in their practice and their way, the claims and counter-claims of another school will do little to phase them.

I for one would certainly never create a thread to try and defame another's tradition with false information, but again, to each their own - and to be frank for me it's actually ok. As they say, the stars shine bright because of the darkness.

I prefer to focus on helping others to continue getting positive results and transforming their lives. At the end of the day that's what matters, but again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I'm also entitled to kick people out of my house when they barge in and start to attack me. 

It appears that there is an ongoing campaign to slander our school taking place on the forum by a member whom despite his constant defamation, is still unable to provide any tangible and verifiable proof of his claims against us.

Having said that, I just want to make a point clear that has been represented erroneously and no doubt done so on purpose with the aim of misinforming people about our tradition and manipulating the truth to fit their own narratives.

Information was purposefully manipulated by FlowingHands, so that it would fit with his false narrative of Xiao Yao Pai originating or coming out of China after the Mao era and was thus labelling us a "half-cooked" school.

It is embarrassing to see that unable to substantiate any of his former speculations and claims against our school, he would have to stoop so low as to manipulating information to make a point.

This is explicit libel and I urge the administration to take note of this.

The claim is this: 

"...arts that have emerged from China including the Tai Shang Men sect or Xiao Yao Pai, who according to their site did not emerge from China until the 1990's"

- This is demonstrably false, and furthermore baseless and vitriolic in nature.

To make it clear: our Grandmaster, Li Shang Hu, moved to Indonesia in 1938 around the age of 7.

By the early 1970s, he was established and working as an acupuncturist and shopkeeper when he was granted permission by Tai Shang to bring our school out of seclusion and begin to share Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu with the world. This is when we first opened our doors and officially became a public school, abandoning our traditional closed-door spiritual ethos.

Today we have nearly 20 temples established in Indonesia, with the first being founded in 1996.

Xiao Yao Pai is well known amongst the Daoist clans in China and we have on numerous occasions been invited to Daoist temples to reveal and demonstrate to the priests and abbots our claim of the inheritance of the ancient art. We currently even have initiated priests in Tian Hou Gong in Nanjing, China; who have inherited our school's art; Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu, and this is not the only temple who has inherited XTDYS... but that's a topic a little too sensitive for discussion.

By the early 90s our Shifu had already conducted 100s of initiations under the authority of the Celestial head of our school; Tai Shang Lao Jun.

Here is a picture of one such event:

In addition to all this, as I've said before, If you're in search of legitimation, which has no value to us as a school and our teachings, you can also visit Bai Yun Guan (White Cloud Temple) in Beijing and speak to an official about the document containing the list of China's Taoist clans. As affirmed by the Chinese Daoist Association, you will find Xiao Yao Pai in 33rd place on the list.

You can also speak to Zhengyi about us or Wudang Pai in China. They all know us.

Additionally, since day one, we have always offered a method to test and verify our claim and this is through initiation. You can take Lukasz's example in post #154.

Do we claim that we are disciples and representatives of Tai Shang? - Yes.

Can we prove it? - Yes.

Can you come and prove it yourself if you want to be sure personally? - Yes.

I haven't heard as much offered in terms of backing up their claims from all those that have been trying to defame us, and the truth is that I'm quite frankly not interested in inter-school squabbles, so I won't demand it from anyone. To each their own.

If someone would like to bring up charges against us and our claims, they will need to back them up with substantial evidence, not mere speculation - just like we back up ours through initiation. Manipulating and introducing information to suit their needs so they can substantiate their claims is a disgusting practice. Further more our initiated students testimonials also very clearly speak for themselves...

Cheers : )

There is any in the west who achieved level to initiate people beside Grandmaster? 

At this time only our GM is at Dao Shi level.

There are however several Dao Zun to whom he has delegated the authority of initiation on his behalf.

We are all brothers and sister in the Dao.

While it is courteous to show respect to our GM, Hu Fa Shen and our Seniors, we have no obligation to each other.

There are no strings attached in "Xiao Yao" Pai, hence our schools name : )

I just received a practice video from one of the recently initiated UK Dao Yu, Lukasz.
He has been practising for around 10 days now since he was initiated and is still getting used to the whole idea of HFS moving him.

I thought I'd accompany his video with a few pictures from his initiation and give a little back story.

For starters, Lukasz is an atheist. I met him a little less than two years ago and since then we have become good friends. The more I spoke to him the more he earned my respect, and despite our friendship, mutual interests and values, we were two worlds apart, because my every day reality consisted of "things" he could only imagine. Things that have the power to change a person's life forever.

His logical mind and his personal values made him a perfect candidate for Dao Ying (initiation), so one day I shared my ideas with him and challenged him to verify it before making up his mind.

Fast forward around one year and he was in London, true to his word, ready to come and investigate. It wasn't that he believed in any of it, but I had earned his respect and apart from my proclamations of fantastical spiritual experiences, I otherwise appeared to him as a completely logical and grounded person. He had seen me debate against religion on numerous occasions and knew my standpoints against faith, blind beliefs, dogma, and worship, and it made him more comfortable to look deeper into my claims.

I wasn't one of those "crazy religious guys", yet somehow he still couldn't reconcile the person he knew me to be with all the "spiritual" stuff. Logic and Spirituality, how can they exist together?

Despite his doubts, he made the choice to come and see if I was bullshitting him : )
Maybe I was?

"Come to the initiation and find out for yourself" - I told him. "Don't believe me."

On the day of the event his scepticism rose to an all time high.
I welcomed it and told him to ask me anything he wishes.

When it was time to prepare for the initiation, he confessed that he was not sure yet and would prefer to stand back and watch others get initiated first. I told him, that's no problem : )

He stood back and waited patiently as we began to prepare for the initiation.

By the time we were done 10 minutes later, the new Dao Yu were already being physically moved by their newly assigned HFS, while others had more profound subtle energy and spirit level experiences. Some could already see their HFS as soon as the initiation started and others were communicating freely with their new teacher.

By the end of the initiation, the data he came to receive was there, albeit lacking of any substantial conclusion, because it still remained shy of the most important component of this investigation, his own direct personal full body experience. Observation is simply not proof enough. To truly know the truth about Xiantian Dao Yin Shu, HFS must move your body, your energy, your mind, your spirit, appear before you or communicate directly with you.

We ended the day, on a positive note and he didn't say too much about it, only saying that he needed to think about it some more, but eventually the questions came.

Lucky for him we were staying in the same hotel, so he had the opportunity to ask me questions all through the evening and I obliged.

He told me, that he wasn't sure that he's ready to be initiated yet and said he thinks he needs more time to do research. I felt him slipping away and retreating into uncertainty, but as his friend I didn't want him to miss the opportunity, knowing how much potential he had and how much progress he could make in a year of practice, before the next initiation.

I explained to him that even if he were to go away now and come back a year later with all the research in the world completed and done, he would find himself in exactly the same state and situation he was currently in. Intellectualising, philosophising and theorising about something is not really it. Just like a book which describes the taste of sugar isn't sugar itself, but a mere intellectual representation. We must put the sugar in our mouth and taste it before it can be understood and experienced.

Our teacher Laozi said, Dao Ke Dao Fei Chang Dao (道可道, 非常道)
The same applies to initiation. We have to jump from "philosophy" to "practice" to get results, otherwise all we have is conjecture; an instrument of ignorance.

No matter how much people debate, ask me questions, read up on and research; and travel to uncover hidden knowledge, the truth is that there is no way to verify if XTDYS is genuine or not, unless you experience it directly, so whether you research for 5, 10 or 20 years, the decision is always the same at the end of the day.

It always boils down to the same thing.
Try it and know or walk away and don't.
Either way is ok. It doesn't matter to us.
But there's really no in-between.

If you find something in text, or theory that suddenly convinces you to that you need to be initiated, then ultimately you were your own barrier in the first place, because the truth of our art is not in text or theory.

The oldest and strongest human emotion is fear,
and the oldest and strongest type of fear, is the fear of the unknown

If it was anyone else other than a friend, like Lukasz, I would have simply told the person, no worries see you in the future, and let him go on his way - frankly, just so I could save myself the philosophical debates, but I really wanted Lukasz to know what I knew and experience life and reality the way I did. So I gave him more of my time in discussion to try and clear his mind of doubts.

The future is difficult to predict, because it can branch into many possibilities, but I thought I'd let him know that he was very close, and confided in him that his HFS was already waiting for him.

I told him, tomorrow is the last day, so sleep on it and try to decide, it is an important decision : )

On the next day, his mind had found him yet something else to sway him.
I saw everyone moving he said, but now I want to hear them speak about their movement.

I said, fine. Do that : )

I had told the new Dao Yu before they left the day before to have some food, take a shower, relax and practice one time on their own before they go to bed. The mind is a little less active then and it's easier to connect after the initiation, because people can be anxious during and the adrenaline can stiffen their joints and muscles considerably.

As the day progressed, they all started to share their experiences of their first practice outside of the initiation. What he heard being described, was not what he expected. Deep down inside, I could tell he wanted to hear pronouncements of disappointment, but every following description broke down his prejudice more and more, until there was no way to go. He has seen it, he had heard it, all that was left now was to feel it for himself. His doubt was beset on all sides by the walls of a reality which was gradually beginning to seem less and less absurd to accept.

A few hours passed, through which I answered more of his questions and I felt him get more and more excited about the prospects of becoming initiated. After a short while, he came up to me and said, Ok, lets do it.

I spoke with the masters and notified them that he had made his decision and that we would need to have another initiation after everyone had left.

After I had thanked everyone for coming and the hall began to empty out, I walked up to the back of the room where Lukasz was having a conversation with a friend of mine. I leaned in and asked him one last question, one last time:

"Blue pill or Red pill?" -

Red it was...

Lukasz preparing to be registered in the heavenly register and connected to Hu Fa Shen.


My Master making the request to Tai Shang to accept Lukasz into Xiao Yao Pai as his student.


The activation of the Yuan Shen


The connection


His Hu Fa Shen connects and his first movement begins


Full initial physical movement by HFS; in his case a static pose.


His HFS makes him hold the posture for a while.


At this point me and my master are snickering away. Me behind the camera and him while completing the initiation.

His reactions when we were done?
Absolute... fucking.... shock.

In about the time it took to make popcorn, his whole belief system was flipped 180 degrees.

All he could say for the next 5 minutes, was "holy shit" and "fuck" "something actually moved me", followed by apologies to excuse his language in front of the masters, followed by more "shit" and "fuck" - hahaha, we were all laughing : )

Either way. I'm really proud of him for finding the the bravery it required and overcoming his fears. I had never seen him that anxious and I know he dug deep to push through. Since then he has been practising regularly every day and is always texting me about new and amazing experiences.

I gave him a few tips about how to communicate with HFS and now he already knows his Hu Fa Shen's name.

As you can see in Lukasz's video compared to mine, our movements are very different.
Hu Fa Shen always works on us based on our individual conditions.

The way HFS moves our body corresponds to the condition that is being treated.
In my movie however no condition was being treated, I had long since stopped moving and progressed to Qigong and Jing Zuo by the time I made that movie. I specifically had to ask Hu Fa Shen to guide me in something fancy as I was making it for people to see, hence the fancy lighting and presentation.

After Lukasz's body has been refined adequately, HFS will progress to guided Xiantian Qigong, where he will control his breath and guide his Qi, and later Xiantian Jing Zuo where Hu Fa Shen will guide his awareness from Taiji and into Wuji.

I've got plenty more pictures to show of all the others that were initiated, but I haven't had the chance yet to sit down and post produce everything. I'll share them with you when I have.

Best wishes and again thank you for making a practice video to share with everyone.
 

His first basic practice video. Day 10. Xiantian Shen Gong.

Nothing fancy, but its not about how it looks, but how it affects the body and energy. Plus he's a beginner : )

Thanks SeekerOfHealing, your answer speaks for itself, so i'll leave it there and respect Effilang's wish to keep this thread on topic.

 

Thank you for understanding.

I'd like to share a new testimonial from one of this month's UK initiated:

TESTIMONIAL 34:

The Initiation itself was very quick, I was a little nervous, but otherwise comfortable.

Beforehand my main concern was the question of whether every person was suitable for initiatioh; was I good enough?

I have experienced movements in other practices, so when the time came, I was confident there would be some movement. The movement however, was quite subtle and I questioned it, then I noticed my lower back was painful, I figured it was bad posture or an energy blockage being cleared.

I began to sit up straighter and that was more comfortable.

Later on at the hotel I would have more movements and feel very tired after this. Also I noticed that practicising on a full stomach was undesirable or rather, unpleasant.

Returning home and continuing practice, the things that I have noticed so far:

I have been more comfortable in myself.

I feel less abused by others energies, also more aware of this.

I feel more self contained and self driven, productive.

I'm starting to feel bouts of joy, reminding me of childhood.

Also I am finding less time for time wasting people and more easily extricating them from my life.

During practice I am experiencing a lot of head and postural movements, and also weeping eyes, not in a sense of crying or emotional feelings, perhaps more in a sense of subconscious release of emotions.This leading to more balance and tranquillity.

I hope this testimonial helps others take that step they have been considering.

So far this is the most rewarding course/initiation I have experienced and I have only just begun working with it.

Will D.

@ YiYinYiYang

I don't know who these people are, but It would be highly unethical to submit the proof you are asking for here.

I strongly recommend that you take this topic to a private conversation where you can share sensitive information about persons, and in addition prevent this thread from going off topic.

As I heard, I have a reputation to tell what Teachers in alchemy schools in China think to help people do their choice and practice better, and I heard some people think it's bad for their ventures... So not sure what is so bad about my reputation... Anyway, it's not why I'm here.

 

I have an interest in SeekerOfHealing's words and, possibly, others comments on them in future. For now no interest to discuss anything else.

Be consistent

Be natural

Be humble

Will there be another initiation in the UK before October next year?

The sand hasn't quite settled yet from the UK and US events this month, but once I put everything in its place again, I'll have a look at my schedule for next year.

It's still a bit early to say and I have my eye on India as we have around 30 people waiting to be initiated there, however I will plan for the UK and US again in 2017 - possibly around the end of the year again, but there is a slight chance it may be in the summer as I want to use the roof at one of our event places for some outdoor practice.

I'll make an announcement in the FB group, Webpage, FB Page (links in my signature) as well as in this thread, in due time and I'll make sure to give everyone at least 6 months in advance to prepare.

thanks effi, I know what you answer and read previous posts. I asked SeekerOfHealing about specific things he mentioned that you cannot help me with.

Fair enough. However, you tactfully skipped these 4 questions.

Do you have a problem with answering them?

Are you here to make trouble?

Why the sudden interest in Xiao Yao Pai?

Is your school unsatisfactory?

To what end? (with your enquiry)

You'll have to excuse my suspicions, but like I said. You don't have a very good reputation on the forum and have demonstrably shown your distaste for our tradition in the past, so I think my questions are justified by your "sudden" appearance here and your contradictorily keen interest in our school...

I'd appreciate it if you answered them with some dignity, rather than avoiding them.

It's not very good etiquette and not a good first impression of your arrival here.

I've called for you to be banned, opendao. You don't have my permission to post private emails in a public forum.

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Can you please share your researches about lineage, texts and other important things that constitutes the transmission of knowledge in Daoist schools, where all that in XYP?

Welcome to the Xiao Yao Pai thread, opendao.

Since you are part of a school that vehemently opposes our tradition, I have to ask; by being here, are you planning on changing your school, learning from our teachings, or have you simply come to make trouble?

Why the sudden interest in Xiao Yao Pai?

Is your school unsatisfactory?

To what end?

Your enquiry seems very strongly to project your own and your schools values, while ignoring those of the school whose thread you find yourself in. Let me illuminate you about this matter, since it seems you have not taken the time to read through the thread:

Xiao Yao Pai does not transmit knowledge related to our essential spiritual cultivation through text and "other important things" and these things do not constitute the medium of transmission in our tradition.

To find out how we receive teachings or learn in our school, please read through the thread more carefully.

Finally, I want to add that you do not have a very good reputation on the forum, so please be mindful of your intentions and attitude here. I will be keeping a watchful eye... 

Again Effi, thank you for your reply.

I've no further questions.

Thank you for your attention.

Effi,

 

Thanks for your detailed and cogent reply.

However, for the sake of clarity, a supplemental question in response to an element of your reply.

Were you implying that your school is the only Way?

You're welcome.

Of course not. I wouldn't dare be so bold or ignorant or arrogant.

The Dao to me simply means existence. I believe that the Dao is formless in its highest state, but that it spirals down and takes form and refracts through relative consciousness, tradition and culture to create the many branches of beliefs and schools we have present in the world today.

I believe there are clear paths to it and I believe there are ones that are difficult to traverse.

I also believe that there are many schools who do not reach the deepest point of the Dao, but find residence somewhere around it in a celestial reality created by their own conscious projections and the consensus of their practitioners - Because of this each school has their vibration and that vibration corresponds to their position on the celestial ladder; a position which can only be elevated by going deeper into emptiness.

To this degree, I believe there are many schools who have relative status and rank that are always evolving and I believe that they all aspire to point to the same thing:     "...................."

My aim is only to help others find a path that can help them move forward, but I wish for each individual to be the captain of their own journey and an independent being.

As they say, we are all walking each other back home, hand in hand.

Thank you for answering my questions on your sect and its training.

My pleasure. I show respect where respect is granted : )

So does the levels in your system have meditations outside the work with xian?

Yes there are different exercises we inherit which we can cultivate on our own without the guidance of HFS eg:

- To train certain types of energy during the day when we're at work and can't actively invoke HFS

- Mantra activated exercises to help us interact with environmental energies and more.

Also since there is 5 levels does what level does yang shen happen at? Is it really possible for a good student to move to the 5th level of your art? Now when you say convert the body into light do you mean at will and be able to come back into physical form again?

After we trigger the disciples Yuan Shen during the initiation, the golden aura of our school wraps around our Hun Shen (Human Spirit). Every time we practice the Hun Shen absorbs the energy of the Divine and for the lack of better phraseology, "downloads" the general Xian blueprint directly from HFS so that our Hun Shen can begin to restructure itself and unify the 3 Hun and 7 Po into one energetic entity; Yang Shen.

So every day we practice after initiation, the signature energy of our schools activates to refine us from Yin Shen to Yang Shen, wrapping around us like a cocoon of golden light.

After 3 to 5 years of regular practice, the Xiao Shen already begins to form above the head. At first like an amorphous vapour ~1 foot over the Bai Hui point, then later as we absorb more divine energy and practise XTDYS, it starts to take on our physical features and become consciously enabled. All the while HFS protects us so we can practice in peace.

So it's almost like giving birth. That is why they call it the immortal birth from the top of the head.

At first it's like a baby, with no intellect, then little by little as our awareness transfers to it to enable its consciousness, it grows and becomes fully aware and fuses into one being that we ourselves are the embodiment of. So just like we are born into the physical world first, and we must learn to crawl, then walk and act and conduct ourselves. It's the same with the immortal birth after we are delivered from Taiji into Wuji - and HFS guides and protects us like a parent.

So it's a gradual process.

Yes, Yin Shen cannot vibrate low enough to become physical. It can't be touched or even seen, because It's too high on the EM spectrum, but Yang Shen can be both seen and unseen. Material and Immaterial, it is a manifestation of Wuji, so it can disperse into the Dao and cannot be located, or it can condense and have a three dimensional form.

I think most Taoist schools aim to achieve this.

Is it really possible for a good student to move to the 5th level of your art?

Yes, apart from our Shifu we have people on many different levels from 0 to 3.

At the moment our Shifu is the only known inheritor of XTDYS at the GM level (4).

"Furthermore every Hu Fa Shen must first be authorised by Tai Shang before they can guide anyone under the celestial branch of our school. So you could say they also go through an application and interview to apply for the position. Then they must follow the curriculum of our school. Its similar to a physical brick and mortar educational institution and the Xian have their posts and responsibilities."

 

Could you elaborate on this?

 

You seem connected with taoist heaven plenty of taoist beleive that lao tzu was an incarnation of Tai Shang Lao Jun have you interacted with him and if so what could you tell us he is like and have you ran into the jade emperor or leigong?

Lao Tzu is an incarnation of Tai Shang Lao Jun, yes; also the hermit Guangzhengzi who transmitted XTDYS to Huangdi. I have not interacted with Lei Gong or Yuanshi Tianzun, maybe I will give them a ring in the future.

The Dao is very mysterious as I'm sure you know. To every Dao Yu, knowing Tai Shang and knowing the Jade Emperor are like knowing ones own being, and I personally believe that it is an experience we must discover on our own. I could of course ask my masters, by I have long ago abandoned the desire to know of other peoples personal experiences on the path. I only care for my own and enabling others to experience theirs.

The mystery of Tai Shang is something I will know better with time. For now, my interactions with him are in the form of formless energy and yet to take the constant form of Laozi as we know him from pictures. I say constant, because I have gotten visions of him, but that is not his true formless state. I try to keep my mind always open, not creating expectations or images of how things aught to be.

With time, I am sure I will go deeper into this mystery.

I admit I do not know for now : )

Actually, we are all cultivating. I am cultivating. My master is cultivating. My Shifu is cultivating. My Hu Fa Shen is cultivating. All the immortals are also cultivating. Just at different levels. The Dao is infinite : )

There are many spirits as you know and many immortals, but a teacher is a very special type of person indeed and not everyone can do it. Just like in our physical branch we select those who will become teachers and can represent our school on Earth, Tai Shang also selects those who will represent him directly as Hu Fa Shen in Heaven. I do not know his criteria, but I know that our Xian are of a very high quality, in virtue, in skill and in wisdom.

Tai Shang's first direct representatives are Er Lang Shen and Jiu Tian Xuan Nu.

Again some of these questions go beyond my current reach so I cannot provide as much detail as I'd like to. Maybe you will find out before me, maybe I will find out before you. We can share with each other whatever the case : )