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To an atheist, the idea of Immortal Spirits or even spirits of any kind, is also a "religious" thing - and to the Daoist practitioner who cannot connect to the divine realm to communicate with the immortals, this too is just fantasy. OpenDao has a toxic habit of shaping the world according to his own achievements and promptly rejecting anyone who claims he has experienced things beyond this own experiences. That's also why everyone tries to "kick" him from their threads, because he is like the summer fly that rejects the idea of winter or the fish in the well that denies the grandness of the ocean. It's the sickness of always wanting to be greater than others; nothing but a fools errand. I know immortals that are 10s of thousands years old and others that go back to numbers I do not even know how to express, but no, it's all fake, because OpenDao can't do it : ) Evidently, he also claims heavenly mandate cannot be verified, again, because he lacks the ability and wisdom to do so himself - therefore, nobody else is possibly more capable than him, so it must be rejected. There are plenty of "regular" people that can check it. If your system is all that you say it is, then your master should be able to check it also, but then again, you have shown that your are incapable of offering any evidence borne of your own school as you have demonstrated on many occasions by avoiding direct requests for such proof. You are without a doubt the best SU27 pilot I have seen : ) All anyone has to do is paint a missile with the letters "PROOF?", lock onto you and fire - and you will deploy the latest in evasive technology to perform acrobatic miracles in the sky like never before seen. It's pretty obvious that all you can do is talk or you would have offered anyone who is curious about the validity of your practice some empirical evidence by now, but you resort to the role of a conversational ballerina. Those that cannot prove their system works or have a method to verify their claims that can be experienced by anyone else, will of course naturally place anyone who can and anything they cannot explain in a category which is convenient for them to ridicule, but it only demonstrates their lack of experience and their inability to penetrate into the the deeper parts of the Dao. In our school, after we connect one to the immortals, even the hardcore atheists come to know that what we say is true. That's is the nature of empirical evidence. It's impossible to deny the presence of an immortal, just like it is impossible to deny the presence of another person standing in front of you, and that's why we're successful with working even with people from the scientific community, because we do not "talk", we "walk". We do not tell people to check this or that book, we show them right there and then in a way which is undeniable, even to the strongest unbeliever. They can reject it, but they cannot deny it : ) We are not the only school who can do it, but not all schools can do it. It's really very simple. When you make a claim about something, you have to be able to prove it. Talk is cheap. The texts and material evidences that you keep referring people to, which have nothing to do with the results of your own practice or school, because they were written by someone else about their own personal experience, are just excuses for your lack of evidence. And just look at how adamant you are in saying; You CANNOT do it. It CANNOT be done. Well, as the old saying goes... He who claims it cannot be done, should get the hell out of the way of the one that is already doing it. You're absolutely right when you say that Alchemy is not for believers and gossip collectors. - and that's why you have no way to prove your words to others beyond your power to tell people which book to read to give evidence of what you yourself have likely not achieved. And the only reason I am saying this with confidence right now, is because by saying that certain things CANNOT be done, which CAN and ARE being done, it has fully demonstrated to me just how little you have actually accomplished - but again, it makes sense now, because you can't show any proof can you, OpenDao?

Oh the IRONY!

haha, biased much? Why would anyone go somewhere or do something they are not interested in? Free will still exists right? I don't have any "alleged" intentions. You might want to check the meaning of the word. People have posted more than enough testimonials post-initiation to confirm my claims, so it's not something that is unproven. It's already a fact... And for this very special brand of people to whom I extend private invitations, there is nothing to pay. They can come for free. My payment is the look on their faces when they know it's true. What they do with the shift in their reality afterwards is up to them : )

Hehe, it's a little funny though you have to admit, OpenDao. At first when people asked you about evidence, you said, go and read the texts; the evidence is spoken about in the texts. Now that people have started to point out the mistakes in the text, you conveniently back pedal and say it's not in the texts anymore.

I've never deleted people's questions and always answered them. No need to make stuff up. We're all grown ups here. I've only deleted destructive and venomous posts. That's all : ) Let's be fair though, you're calling me out for "word games", when you yourself are the master of the art. I have yet to see you offer anyone a demonstration of any results which you always claim are there. Anytime anyone asks you to put your money where your mouth is and back up what you claim; your well rehearsed reaction is always to deploy chaffs and employ evasive manoeuvres; skillfully pirouetting around the question like a professional ballerina. I'm not even mad, It's impressive every time you do it I always look forward to how you will do it next. Honestly, I'm not even mocking you. I'm impressed. Unlike most people on the Dao Bums, I actually have nothing against what most people claim on here, no matter what the school is. I've experienced enough to know that most people barely scratch the surface of what is actually possible anyway. The only thing that I find unpalatable is when a School (any school) claims to teach something, but can never provide any proof of it when asked, but always have some very good excuse. It's really not that hard if the school is genuine - and it's nothing personal really, when you want to go and learn from someone, you need to test them to see if they have actually achieved the things they teach. I'm not just talking about theory either, theory.. anyone can read and memorise, but any school that claims they are genuine, should be able to demonstrate it in practice when asked. Sure this is not a circus and we're not jumping through hoops to please the audience, and I too often decline the requests, but this is 2016; its no longer good enough to hide behind the guise of mysticism and traditional mystery with the purpose of concealing ones accomplishments in fear of persecution. That's just an old excuse now that is unfit for modern times in most countries. I can say things with confidence about Xiao Yao Pai, because whenever someone challenges me, all I have to do is just invite them to a seminar so they can verify it for themselves. It's that simple. I don't even need to talk. Why waste the time? I can end any argument like that in one line: "If you don't believe me, come and try it yourself." Around this point is when most people online shit themselves, because they don't expect that reply and they are caught off guard. Why don't they expect that reply? Because most schools actually have nothing they can demonstrate or use as evidence of their claims, and because of this for a long time now inter-school debates have been limited by this unwritten, and unspoken, but mutually accepted agreement. It's like some sort of pseudo diplomatic facility designed to save face, and it's expressed like this: Don't call me out and ask me for evidence and I won't call you out and ask you for evidence, this way we can both keep our honour and integrity and continue to run around the merry go round of philosophy and literature. So the reaction I usually get when I reply that way is this: Wait, what?! Did he say come and try it? He's not gonna talk me to death about philosophy and texts? Nope. I'm not. Just come and try it. Unless you're scared of what you might find. And No, I don't mean come and try it and get the evidence in 5 years or 20 years. No. 30 minutes that's all. Normally, after I call their bluff, they just walk away with their tail tucked between their legs, because I've broken their philosophy comfort zone and they cannot stand on the same ground in terms of practical evidence. This is when the real intentions of the practitioner emerge to the surface. Up till this day those that challenge me who prefer to hide behind texts and never show any proof of their claims, have all been invited to come and prove us wrong. How many of those sensei loud mouths have come so far? None. Zero. Why? Because they are scared it is true and that it will destroy their belief system. Even as a student of Xiao Yao Pai, I love to visit other schools, explore new things, meet teachers, and continue to educate myself in a variety of ways. I think that to have this sort of attitude even after you have found something that works very well, is evidence of an open mind. I wish everyone would act this way, instead of locking themselves within the walls of their school and the mind of their teacher, who one day, they might even transcend. Life Is a great big adventure, but let's be honest to ourselves. All of us that claim to offer people genuine results; we have to be able to show people that what we say is true and not just talk about it or refer people to texts. Evidence shows the truth. Evidence dispels myths and rumours. Evidence should not be a taboo. So why is everyone so afraid of showing some evidence if they claim they have it? The level of theatricality is just too damn high. Let's see evidence and results people. To everyone, I say put your money where your mouth is, or try to stop running it - and if you don't, you can't blame people for always looking at you suspiciously and assuming that you're trying to deceive them. Why not just dispel all the negativity and put all the doubt to rest with one swift stroke? Surely it would take less energy than all this. Well, that's what I think anyway. Again, I have no issues with anyone on this forum, be it you OpenDao or Shaman Flowing Hands or whoever else. I actually love the diversity. It's so exciting. All I wish for is that people would stop making conclusions about other schools practice methods without having any direct experience of them first. It's simple. It's logical. It's fair. Even a 5 year old can understand the concept of evidence, surely we can also? I guess it's too much to ask for to be reasonable and scientific. But hey... to each their own : ) Finally, here is a new years resolution for you guys; Lets try to talk less and do more. Sure, The Dao Bums might be a little less interesting in a world like that, but at least it would be easier for people to separate the wheat from the chaff. That's what we're here to help do right? To help others? Or are most of you just helping yourselves? Because if we're here to help others make good decisions about practice, why make them dance in circles? Just give it to them black and white. I don't mean to sound cocky, but either you practice something and can demonstrate it or you can't. Evidence... try it guys. It's not too hard. Just try to give it. You might actually like the positive feelings it brings!

Perfect : ) We actually had a case like this recently in our school with one of our newly initiated. They had a lot of energy stuck in the head and were constantly getting headaches for years. After we started to teach them they have learned now how to relax and found that the energy has begun to move all around the body, ebbing and flowing; from one place to the next; as it should... We have to understand that the mind is "fixed" within the boundaries of its own conscious experiential parameters. It does not know what it does not know, so we cannot employ it to know the unknown - this is redundant. We have to keep an open and relaxed awareness during practice, because any activation of the mind in the early stages will obscure the 玄關 from stabilising. Very nice points, awaken.

Our liberty to compare one thing to another is limited by our experience, and so I do not agree with you. Hopefully the ways you follow will one day cure some of your bitterness towards the more primitive people, who presumably lack the results you only speak of.

The Celestial realm and the immortals who reside in it today, have enacted more changes in the divine law and made more effort to adapt to the evolution of human culture and mankind, than humanity has done for itself on Earth till this day. We are stuck in the old ways beyond our own good and terrified of being simultaneously our own discovery as well as our own adventure. It's a shame, but that's the way it is. People are too scared to lift the pen and scribe their own experiences; they would rather proselytize the accomplishments of others until their dying day and pass away as nothing more that a carbon paper copy of another person's legacy. If one follows the way naturally, he should be able to one day write his own Dao De Jing.

Welcome, Seeker. See you around.

I've highlighted what I think are the most important points for you to investigate. My condolences for the suffering you have had to endure. This too shall pass. As for Mantak Chia's practices... Let's just say I intimately know some of the pain you're experiencing.

I second the whole post. My initial experience at this phase of practice was that the energy from the LDT begins to spill into the belt vessel (Dai Mai) first and that starts to orbit around the waist rapidly, from there it can move directly around the waist to the Life Gate (Ming Men) and up the back or it may first drop down to the perineum (Hui Yin) before trying to move through the coccyx and up the Governing Vessel (Du Mai). It gets very tingly down there when the movement starts, especially around the bony areas like the tailbone. This is good Houtian progress. Keep doing what you're doing. By the sound of It, I reckon within another month of steady practice, the heat will begin to "rumble" and buzz, and then suddenly start to move.

I'd like to give a basic view from the Xiao Yao Pai perspective on how we "see" Daoist literature and how we separate it from Spiritual Daoism as opposed to strictly Philosophical and Religious practice. Canon in Spiritual Daoism (Audio)

It's no problem at all, one of this months newly initiated actually shared this testimonial that you might be able to relate to. They were initiated through shaktipath and had been practising for over 12 years under a Buddhist school. Their transition to Xiao Yao Pai has been flawless. It doesn't matter what you practised previously, what your race is, what your sex is or what your religion is. The only barrier is the mind. If it is polluted by belief systems, dogma and concepts and your cup is full and overflowing during initiation, then Hu Fa Shen may take more time to focus on your mind first. If you continue to practice regularly, you will feel all your prejudice washing away gently, and you will feel happier and less disturbed by people and their personal or public lives. You will essentially embody the "Xiao Yao" nature of our school. Everyone who practises Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu gradually becomes Xiao Yao and overflowing with childlike energy and joy. It is a very common reaction among Dao Yu. Hu Fa Shen can see us on all levels, physical, subtle energy, mind and soul - so they always know how to approach our refinement for our highest benefit. Since we came out of seclusion and opened our doors to the public in the early 70s, we've initiated over 140,000 Dao Yu who all cultivate in the comfort of their homes under the guidance of their Hu Fa Shen; none has ever expressed a physical, energetic or spiritual incompatibility with the curriculum of our celestial branch as transmitted by Hu Fa Shen. The only incompatibility is that of the acquired mind; their conditioning and beliefs vs the non-discriminative and formless nature of our teachings. If you feel that we are too open after you begin to practice and the formations of your mind cannot fit in with our way. You can face Tai Shang and make an official request to dissolve the apprenticeship. End of story. We have no dogma, prohibitions or books to indoctrinate you into anyway of thinking. Our educational approach is formless to reflect the emptiness of Wuji. If you form your mind and attach your awareness to that concept, it will be trapped inside Taiji (physical realm) and it cannot vibrate high enough to exit it and enter Wuji (non-physical realm) - because the mysterious gate of Wuji to which Hu Fa Shen gently guides our awareness, can only be passed when the awareness learns to disassociate itself from impermanent physical phenomena and begins to awaken and embraces its original formless state. Then it is like the awareness synchronises with the frequency of the mysterious pass and suddenly it appears. If we dwell here, the whole spirit will be enveloped with divine energy like a cocoon, which will of itself transform it into the radiant spirit of the immortal body; this is Yang Shen. It is a gradual process of refinement, so we must practice daily with Hu Fa Shen so he can guide and enhance our transformation : )

@Seeker I appreciate that. Although I have to be frank, I don't personally entertain the notion of "belief" without direct experiential and empirical "proof"; something that you can observe happening in the present and that you can test for yourself, but I do understand from your previous posts that your confidence in us is borne from your due diligence and the research you've conducted to dispel your doubts - so as much as I can, I will try to respect that. Forgive my presumption, but nevertheless, I would imagine that these proofs you experienced, while on some intellectual level are satisfying, still might have been be in the form of texts, manuscripts or someone else's opinions, which are not yet the moon itself, but only the finger pointing to it - so I hope that one day we will meet & you can have a definitive confirmation. Thank you for your kind words.

@Seeker Maybe if you have some time we can do a small long distance "experiment". It is at the discretion of Tai Shang. You can add me on facebook if you like: xuan daoji or we can try to do it in the Dao Bums chat, if that is allowed. Again, no promises as this is not at my discretion, but I do have the spiritual authority to officially make the request to Tai Shang to offer you a form of "proof" prior to initiation when there is a full fledged connection and assignment to a Hu Fa Shen. Of course this is not an initiation as I do not have authority to do so at this time, but by Tai Shang's grace he may manifest for you if he deems it appropriate I've already done one of these with a few members here.

@SeekerOfHealing There are plenty of ways to "attain the Dao" as it were, we are just one. Everyone can pick where they go, which one to test and which one to practice : ) As always for those that want to test it, we offer a way to back up our claims. Our ability to actually prove that we can connect people to the Daoist Xian Shen and Tian Shen in our Celestial branch is the primary reason why we don't focus on "talking" in our school, but prefer to get to the "walking", because there is actually a lot of walking to do and not enough time to spend on fruitless philosophy and intellectual gymnastics. Many other schools only have the option of "talking", because they cannot offer any proof, so when you ask them for proof, they immediately begin evasive manoeuvres like an F-16, deploy counter measures and pretend the question wasn't asked, or even less credibly, they absolve themselves of any responsibility and offer you to refer to the texts of history, so you can read about someones experiences who died a couple of thousand years ago, which can neither be confirmed nor disproven. I'm always reminded of this meeting of Kongfuzi and Laozi in times like this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Confucius visited Laozi dressed in formal elaborate robes to discuss matters of ceremonial etiquette and tried to explain his belief that new knowledge must be based upon old knowledge...but was interrupted by the old master: Laozi: "The men of whom you speak are long since dead and their bones are turned to ashes in their graves." Laozi: "Put away your polite airs and your vain display of fine robes. The wise man does not display his treasures to those he does not know. And he cannot learn justice from the Ancients." Confucius: "Why not?" Laozi replied, "The swan does not need to bathe daily to remain white." then abruptly ended the meeting. Confucius later said onto his disciples: "I know that birds can fly and fish can swim and beasts can run. Snares can be set for things that run, nets for those that swim and arrows for whatever flies. But who knows how Dragons ride the wind and cloud up into the sky. Today I saw Laozi. What a Dragon!'" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Despite all this, I've never attacked anyone's school and have no interest to and I doubt I ever will. I think when one is confident in their practice and their way, the claims and counter-claims of another school will do little to phase them. I for one would certainly never create a thread to try and defame another's tradition with false information, but again, to each their own - and to be frank for me it's actually ok. As they say, the stars shine bright because of the darkness. I prefer to focus on helping others to continue getting positive results and transforming their lives. At the end of the day that's what matters, but again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I'm also entitled to kick people out of my house when they barge in and start to attack me.

It appears that there is an ongoing campaign to slander our school taking place on the forum by a member whom despite his constant defamation, is still unable to provide any tangible and verifiable proof of his claims against us. Having said that, I just want to make a point clear that has been represented erroneously and no doubt done so on purpose with the aim of misinforming people about our tradition and manipulating the truth to fit their own narratives. Information was purposefully manipulated by FlowingHands, so that it would fit with his false narrative of Xiao Yao Pai originating or coming out of China after the Mao era and was thus labelling us a "half-cooked" school. It is embarrassing to see that unable to substantiate any of his former speculations and claims against our school, he would have to stoop so low as to manipulating information to make a point. This is explicit libel and I urge the administration to take note of this. The claim is this: "...arts that have emerged from China including the Tai Shang Men sect or Xiao Yao Pai, who according to their site did not emerge from China until the 1990's" - This is demonstrably false, and furthermore baseless and vitriolic in nature. To make it clear: our Grandmaster, Li Shang Hu, moved to Indonesia in 1938 around the age of 7. By the early 1970s, he was established and working as an acupuncturist and shopkeeper when he was granted permission by Tai Shang to bring our school out of seclusion and begin to share Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu with the world. This is when we first opened our doors and officially became a public school, abandoning our traditional closed-door spiritual ethos. Today we have nearly 20 temples established in Indonesia, with the first being founded in 1996. Xiao Yao Pai is well known amongst the Daoist clans in China and we have on numerous occasions been invited to Daoist temples to reveal and demonstrate to the priests and abbots our claim of the inheritance of the ancient art. We currently even have initiated priests in Tian Hou Gong in Nanjing, China; who have inherited our school's art; Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu, and this is not the only temple who has inherited XTDYS... but that's a topic a little too sensitive for discussion. By the early 90s our Shifu had already conducted 100s of initiations under the authority of the Celestial head of our school; Tai Shang Lao Jun. Here is a picture of one such event: In addition to all this, as I've said before, If you're in search of legitimation, which has no value to us as a school and our teachings, you can also visit Bai Yun Guan (White Cloud Temple) in Beijing and speak to an official about the document containing the list of China's Taoist clans. As affirmed by the Chinese Daoist Association, you will find Xiao Yao Pai in 33rd place on the list. You can also speak to Zhengyi about us or Wudang Pai in China. They all know us. Additionally, since day one, we have always offered a method to test and verify our claim and this is through initiation. You can take Lukasz's example in post #154. Do we claim that we are disciples and representatives of Tai Shang? - Yes. Can we prove it? - Yes. Can you come and prove it yourself if you want to be sure personally? - Yes. I haven't heard as much offered in terms of backing up their claims from all those that have been trying to defame us, and the truth is that I'm quite frankly not interested in inter-school squabbles, so I won't demand it from anyone. To each their own. If someone would like to bring up charges against us and our claims, they will need to back them up with substantial evidence, not mere speculation - just like we back up ours through initiation. Manipulating and introducing information to suit their needs so they can substantiate their claims is a disgusting practice. Further more our initiated students testimonials also very clearly speak for themselves... Cheers : )

At this time only our GM is at Dao Shi level. There are however several Dao Zun to whom he has delegated the authority of initiation on his behalf. We are all brothers and sister in the Dao. While it is courteous to show respect to our GM, Hu Fa Shen and our Seniors, we have no obligation to each other. There are no strings attached in "Xiao Yao" Pai, hence our schools name : )

I just received a practice video from one of the recently initiated UK Dao Yu, Lukasz. He has been practising for around 10 days now since he was initiated and is still getting used to the whole idea of HFS moving him. I thought I'd accompany his video with a few pictures from his initiation and give a little back story. For starters, Lukasz is an atheist. I met him a little less than two years ago and since then we have become good friends. The more I spoke to him the more he earned my respect, and despite our friendship, mutual interests and values, we were two worlds apart, because my every day reality consisted of "things" he could only imagine. Things that have the power to change a person's life forever. His logical mind and his personal values made him a perfect candidate for Dao Ying (initiation), so one day I shared my ideas with him and challenged him to verify it before making up his mind. Fast forward around one year and he was in London, true to his word, ready to come and investigate. It wasn't that he believed in any of it, but I had earned his respect and apart from my proclamations of fantastical spiritual experiences, I otherwise appeared to him as a completely logical and grounded person. He had seen me debate against religion on numerous occasions and knew my standpoints against faith, blind beliefs, dogma, and worship, and it made him more comfortable to look deeper into my claims. I wasn't one of those "crazy religious guys", yet somehow he still couldn't reconcile the person he knew me to be with all the "spiritual" stuff. Logic and Spirituality, how can they exist together? Despite his doubts, he made the choice to come and see if I was bullshitting him : ) Maybe I was? "Come to the initiation and find out for yourself" - I told him. "Don't believe me." On the day of the event his scepticism rose to an all time high. I welcomed it and told him to ask me anything he wishes. When it was time to prepare for the initiation, he confessed that he was not sure yet and would prefer to stand back and watch others get initiated first. I told him, that's no problem : ) He stood back and waited patiently as we began to prepare for the initiation. By the time we were done 10 minutes later, the new Dao Yu were already being physically moved by their newly assigned HFS, while others had more profound subtle energy and spirit level experiences. Some could already see their HFS as soon as the initiation started and others were communicating freely with their new teacher. By the end of the initiation, the data he came to receive was there, albeit lacking of any substantial conclusion, because it still remained shy of the most important component of this investigation, his own direct personal full body experience. Observation is simply not proof enough. To truly know the truth about Xiantian Dao Yin Shu, HFS must move your body, your energy, your mind, your spirit, appear before you or communicate directly with you. We ended the day, on a positive note and he didn't say too much about it, only saying that he needed to think about it some more, but eventually the questions came. Lucky for him we were staying in the same hotel, so he had the opportunity to ask me questions all through the evening and I obliged. He told me, that he wasn't sure that he's ready to be initiated yet and said he thinks he needs more time to do research. I felt him slipping away and retreating into uncertainty, but as his friend I didn't want him to miss the opportunity, knowing how much potential he had and how much progress he could make in a year of practice, before the next initiation. I explained to him that even if he were to go away now and come back a year later with all the research in the world completed and done, he would find himself in exactly the same state and situation he was currently in. Intellectualising, philosophising and theorising about something is not really it. Just like a book which describes the taste of sugar isn't sugar itself, but a mere intellectual representation. We must put the sugar in our mouth and taste it before it can be understood and experienced. Our teacher Laozi said, Dao Ke Dao Fei Chang Dao (道可道, 非常道) The same applies to initiation. We have to jump from "philosophy" to "practice" to get results, otherwise all we have is conjecture; an instrument of ignorance. No matter how much people debate, ask me questions, read up on and research; and travel to uncover hidden knowledge, the truth is that there is no way to verify if XTDYS is genuine or not, unless you experience it directly, so whether you research for 5, 10 or 20 years, the decision is always the same at the end of the day. It always boils down to the same thing. Try it and know or walk away and don't. Either way is ok. It doesn't matter to us. But there's really no in-between. If you find something in text, or theory that suddenly convinces you to that you need to be initiated, then ultimately you were your own barrier in the first place, because the truth of our art is not in text or theory. The oldest and strongest human emotion is fear, and the oldest and strongest type of fear, is the fear of the unknown If it was anyone else other than a friend, like Lukasz, I would have simply told the person, no worries see you in the future, and let him go on his way - frankly, just so I could save myself the philosophical debates, but I really wanted Lukasz to know what I knew and experience life and reality the way I did. So I gave him more of my time in discussion to try and clear his mind of doubts. The future is difficult to predict, because it can branch into many possibilities, but I thought I'd let him know that he was very close, and confided in him that his HFS was already waiting for him. I told him, tomorrow is the last day, so sleep on it and try to decide, it is an important decision : ) On the next day, his mind had found him yet something else to sway him. I saw everyone moving he said, but now I want to hear them speak about their movement. I said, fine. Do that : ) I had told the new Dao Yu before they left the day before to have some food, take a shower, relax and practice one time on their own before they go to bed. The mind is a little less active then and it's easier to connect after the initiation, because people can be anxious during and the adrenaline can stiffen their joints and muscles considerably. As the day progressed, they all started to share their experiences of their first practice outside of the initiation. What he heard being described, was not what he expected. Deep down inside, I could tell he wanted to hear pronouncements of disappointment, but every following description broke down his prejudice more and more, until there was no way to go. He has seen it, he had heard it, all that was left now was to feel it for himself. His doubt was beset on all sides by the walls of a reality which was gradually beginning to seem less and less absurd to accept. A few hours passed, through which I answered more of his questions and I felt him get more and more excited about the prospects of becoming initiated. After a short while, he came up to me and said, Ok, lets do it. I spoke with the masters and notified them that he had made his decision and that we would need to have another initiation after everyone had left. After I had thanked everyone for coming and the hall began to empty out, I walked up to the back of the room where Lukasz was having a conversation with a friend of mine. I leaned in and asked him one last question, one last time: "Blue pill or Red pill?" - Red it was... Lukasz preparing to be registered in the heavenly register and connected to Hu Fa Shen. My Master making the request to Tai Shang to accept Lukasz into Xiao Yao Pai as his student. The activation of the Yuan Shen The connection His Hu Fa Shen connects and his first movement begins Full initial physical movement by HFS; in his case a static pose. His HFS makes him hold the posture for a while. At this point me and my master are snickering away. Me behind the camera and him while completing the initiation. His reactions when we were done? Absolute... fucking.... shock. In about the time it took to make popcorn, his whole belief system was flipped 180 degrees. All he could say for the next 5 minutes, was "holy shit" and "fuck" "something actually moved me", followed by apologies to excuse his language in front of the masters, followed by more "shit" and "fuck" - hahaha, we were all laughing : ) Either way. I'm really proud of him for finding the the bravery it required and overcoming his fears. I had never seen him that anxious and I know he dug deep to push through. Since then he has been practising regularly every day and is always texting me about new and amazing experiences. I gave him a few tips about how to communicate with HFS and now he already knows his Hu Fa Shen's name. As you can see in Lukasz's video compared to mine, our movements are very different. Hu Fa Shen always works on us based on our individual conditions. The way HFS moves our body corresponds to the condition that is being treated. In my movie however no condition was being treated, I had long since stopped moving and progressed to Qigong and Jing Zuo by the time I made that movie. I specifically had to ask Hu Fa Shen to guide me in something fancy as I was making it for people to see, hence the fancy lighting and presentation. After Lukasz's body has been refined adequately, HFS will progress to guided Xiantian Qigong, where he will control his breath and guide his Qi, and later Xiantian Jing Zuo where Hu Fa Shen will guide his awareness from Taiji and into Wuji. I've got plenty more pictures to show of all the others that were initiated, but I haven't had the chance yet to sit down and post produce everything. I'll share them with you when I have. Best wishes and again thank you for making a practice video to share with everyone. His first basic practice video. Day 10. Xiantian Shen Gong. Nothing fancy, but its not about how it looks, but how it affects the body and energy. Plus he's a beginner : )

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I'd like to share a new testimonial from one of this month's UK initiated: TESTIMONIAL 34: The Initiation itself was very quick, I was a little nervous, but otherwise comfortable. Beforehand my main concern was the question of whether every person was suitable for initiatioh; was I good enough? I have experienced movements in other practices, so when the time came, I was confident there would be some movement. The movement however, was quite subtle and I questioned it, then I noticed my lower back was painful, I figured it was bad posture or an energy blockage being cleared. I began to sit up straighter and that was more comfortable. Later on at the hotel I would have more movements and feel very tired after this. Also I noticed that practicising on a full stomach was undesirable or rather, unpleasant. Returning home and continuing practice, the things that I have noticed so far: I have been more comfortable in myself. I feel less abused by others energies, also more aware of this. I feel more self contained and self driven, productive. I'm starting to feel bouts of joy, reminding me of childhood. Also I am finding less time for time wasting people and more easily extricating them from my life. During practice I am experiencing a lot of head and postural movements, and also weeping eyes, not in a sense of crying or emotional feelings, perhaps more in a sense of subconscious release of emotions.This leading to more balance and tranquillity. I hope this testimonial helps others take that step they have been considering. So far this is the most rewarding course/initiation I have experienced and I have only just begun working with it. Will D.

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Hello OpenDao, Despite your reputation on the forum, your offensive behaviour towards other members, and your unwarantedly demonstrable disdane and distaste for our tradition, I gave you two friendly opportunities to answer some introductory questions to help settle you into the thread and assure me that you are here to be a productive contributor and not a disruptor and troublemaker. You've declined on both occasions to respect that simple request and have tactfully avoided to answer each time. On the back of this and your former exhibitions of your character in this forum, I'm afraid I'm not comfortable with having you participate in this thread and find your general temperament to be one of disrespect and contempt. I apologise for the inconvenience. Please kindly, contact SeekerOfHealing directly to receive the information you are after. I am sure you can post any developments thereof in one of your threads to discuss your findings further. I have also sent this message to you by PM. Best wishes on your way and may the Dao guide you well. Xuan Daoji UPDATE: While It is not in my character (nor these forum's rules) to share personal messages. I will say that, your communication to me in private after my final message to you here, made it abundantly clear that my decision in asking you to leave was justified. Despite that you still continue to post here. If you know that you have any, please show some dignity, some integrity and some self-respect and stop coming back here. Your intentions and attitude are not appreciated and you are not welcome.

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The sand hasn't quite settled yet from the UK and US events this month, but once I put everything in its place again, I'll have a look at my schedule for next year. It's still a bit early to say and I have my eye on India as we have around 30 people waiting to be initiated there, however I will plan for the UK and US again in 2017 - possibly around the end of the year again, but there is a slight chance it may be in the summer as I want to use the roof at one of our event places for some outdoor practice. I'll make an announcement in the FB group, Webpage, FB Page (links in my signature) as well as in this thread, in due time and I'll make sure to give everyone at least 6 months in advance to prepare.