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It was somewhat of a joke-post.  The movie is of a guy (not actually me) doing incredible break-dance, mind blowing incredible.

 

..i don't know how to convert movie files.

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The best part is at the end when he does those incredible, unbelieveable, controlled, pushups!! Without his feet touching the ground, his body almost horizontal!

Max, thanks for the info.

I'm going to try the salt idea to brush my teeth for now on!

My teeth yellowed a bit because I like Ruffles Chips with Cheddar and Sour Cream.

NY DAILY NEWS Wednesday, March 2, 2005

page 29

Circumcision Changes

A group representing Orthodox rabbis yesterday urged

members to use a sterile tube when performing a

circumcision rite.

The Rabbinical Council of America made the

reccommendiation as city officials probe whether an

infant died after contracting herpes. The ritual calls for

the rabbi to extract blood from the circumcision site

using his mouth.

- Maggie Haberman

G-Mail can be useful, just make sure you know ALL the skinny on it1

If you read all the fine print, here's why they're doing it;

*All email, and internet use is monitored by super, uber, duper, mega computers. But it's all unoffically monitored..

*G-Mail is an experiment to see what what would happen if they tell customers all email is officially monitored. Are people apathetic enough to click "I Agree"?

*Read the G-Mail fine print, and it says a background program goes through all your email. It then decides which banner ads, pop ups, pop unders, cookies, will watch you, show up, and advertise on your computer, depending on what the email you're reading is about.

So say your mother send you an email telling you she wired money to you for your new college books. While you're reading the email, ads will appear for Western Union.

You go and open your next email and its from your girlfriend asking you when are you going to come over and bang her. Ads for condoms will appear. Ads for Victorias Secret underwear will appear.

*By people allowing their info to be officially read, it gives all power to the controllers, goverment, whatever. They have nothing to worry about. Instead of how it now is with them unofficially reading all your info. Cool book to read is "Digital Fortress" by Dan Brown.

IMHO use G-Mail, but don't use it for anything you wouldn't want your wife, boss, friends, kids, to find out about in the future.

G-mail is also indirectly helpful - it forced all other email competition to increase memory. G-mail is still the only email that's officially scanned. All other email providers are all still unofficially scanned.

THE GREAT DYING --

 

The Real Reason Behind Chemtrails

 

Re: CT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:21:44

 

PDT Chemtrails: the saga continues

 

Watching the debates over (and phone taps to my line here)

 

since sending you my email of yesterday, it occurred to me that I should get this last email out to you regarding and expanding upon the reasons for CTs, as well as dealing with issues sure to be discounted by the agents of the ONI(Office of Naval Intelligence, the agency in charge of the Chemtrails Ops.)

 

Taking each issue in turn might help shed some light upon this problem.

 

The overall scope and agenda behind Chemtrails (Operation Clover Leaf, Operation Red Sky, Operation Rain Dance, the code names for these ops, BTW) intertwines several overall objectives deemed imperative by the real power in DC, which is the NSA.

 

It should be noted that most of the intel groups that are involved in domestic control are, in varying degrees, "in the loop" on this business and are actively working with the ONI and NSA in seeing this program succeed.

 

Listing all the agencies would be moot and pointless. What would anyone do with the knowledge anyway? The reason I say this has to due with STO vs. STS.

 

Here's what we mean:

 

By conservative estimates, there are over 300,000 people in the USA alone that are chemtrails aware. Of those, only about 125 people have undertaken an active campaign to educate and inform the masses about this "final solution." Do the math.

 

How many of you know what the word apathy means? The agencies are counting upon this apathy and in fact, helped create that state of consciousness to begin with way back in the late 1950s (Fluoridation, Aspartame, street narcotics.)

 

Hey! Stop copying my thread about "Even More Scarier Sheeet!" ....

LOLOLOL! I think it got pushed to page 2, or 3, or somewhere. About how Aspartame aka Nutra-Sweet, is in 25%-50% of all American food. My signature, which I've been using for a looooong looong time, has links to even more info about it.

*Thinks about starting up a smoking habit to stop the diabolical plans behind Chem Trails!!! Muhahahaaa!! *

Problem is... ciggaretts cost a lot where I live. *sniff*

 

but no one has ever seen a reptile turn into a human or a human turn into a reptile. not has anyione witnessed the rituals in which they eat children to maintain their human form. the evidenc eis severely lacking for this to even be a valid hypothesis let alone a theory.

No one, including me, you, and everyone on these forums (everyone? Unless some Reptillians are reading this LOL!) I'm not saying accept this item as hardcore fact. All I'm saying is store it away in a corner of the mind, just don't kick it completly out of the mind. And yes, there are far more important, immediate, and pressing issues, that should be on the table. Like pursuing immortality, enlightenment, esoteric knowledge, learning how to let go, using the male sex energy for positive pursuits, and more.

i don't believe or disbelieve anything. i research and figure out what's feasible, possible or even probable. some things are known with greater certainty than others. somethings are verified by people other than the origianl proponent of an idea. that has never happened with any of icke's stuff.

 

things that are far more likely than icke's theory:

 

1. sasquatch

2. UFO's/aliens

3. loch ness monster

4. the templars and the whole solomons treasure thing

5. international banking conspiracy for world finance control

6. the naga in the mekong river

7. the sphinx was built 10,000 years before the pyramid

8. the abominable snowman

9. the existence of somthing like the illumati (they meet in the woods

in california every summer)

10. chemtrails

11. cia-drugs-oil-bush family link

12. academic suppression of some valid science, esp. in archaeology

13. commercial interests influencing scientific research

13. vast incompetence that often looks like conspiracy but is actually

preventing it (i.e.,WTC intelligence failure).

14. ronnietsu will be castrated by the dept. of health and human services

Every single one of those items is covered by David Ick in all his books. So you are a 95% fan of David Icke.

(I don't know about number 14 though LOLOL!)

Don't forget #15. How the Bush family dynasty got their fortunes from funding Hitler.

(Google Prescot Bush, Hitler). :wink: 8)

granted some of these fit under the popular heading of "specualtion." the bigger a conspiracy, the harder it is to hide. and icke puts forth a conspiracy of vast scale that only he knows about. impossible? no. very very very very very unlikely? yes.

David Ick never claims to be the only one who knows about it. Also, he is not the first one to put it forth. He's maybe the 10th person(s) to put forth the idea of a Reptillian species from another star.

Next, that is just one of the many subjects David Ick covers. Just like you made a list of 13 items, and you yourself said some are "known with greater certainty than others." Every item on your list, which you yourself say you believe in to a certain extent, has been covered by David Ick. If you want to believe in 90% of what David Ick talks about, that's cool!

Since you put chemical trails on your list, and David Ick covers chem trails, then is it oK for me to say....

You believe in what Ron Jeremy made this thread for? That more attention needs to be given to chem trails because there's info about chem trails that's "Scary Sheeeeeeet"?

You, me, Ron, everyone here, and David Ick, all agree chem trails is something abnormal? With bad intentions behind it? = scary sheeeet?

but ther is a real psychological danger in being interested in these things and that is taht our DESIRE TO BELIEVE something adversly affects our objectivity so that we end up beilieving any damn thing that fits the paradigm we created for ourself. wqe knew a guy who loved specualtion and conspiracy and believed all the stories, even if they contradicted each other. we used to make stuff up, MAKE IT UP, tell him, and then see how long it took to get back to us from another source. i've also seen this on the internet with the dropa stones. i found 5 or 6 websites on it, all reprinting the same two stories, word for word. none of the so-called original evidence is available. so that's a story i don't give much credence to. sure it's possible, but with the current state of evidence, it's not something i'm going to accept. and i'm certainly not going to go around propagating the tale irresponsibley to gullible people. one guy believes in the dropa stoens so strongly he wrote a whole book on it based, i suppose, on those two web articles. so i ask, is he just irresponsible, or is he out to make a buck?

I completly agree with this point you make. Everyone has to first decide what their main goal in life is. Then go after it. (persuit of money, or immortality, or personal growth, or enlightenment, or getting laid as much as possible, or promotion at work, or whatever). It's a waste of time and energy going off after every new belief. If if they're true, there's not much any of us can do about it anyway. Just live yer life and go after yer goal.

But don't kick everything else outta yer mind. Take it off the table, store it in a box in a corner. Then go back to giving attention to the more immediate stuff on the table. It's like that scene in the first Men In Black movie. When Will Smith laughs at the other guy looking at the STAR magazine. The other guy says sometimes you can get the bast info from the most unlikely sources.

and i ask the same thing about david icke. his soccer career is over and so he has to make a buck doing something i suppose. at least he was right about manchester united.....

It's good you ask the same question about David Icke, and anyone else. What angle do they have? What angle does he have?

the AMA and its members is out to make a buck on gullible people, and so is david icke.

The AMA is a different story. They are about power, suppression of not only alternative medicines, but in some cases better medicines, and even cures. They are a huge group of people influential in the west. They have power over if many people litterally live or die.

David Icke does make money off his books. Is the buyer getting their moneysworth? You yourself listed 13 items you believe in to varrying degrees - all of which David Icke covers in all his books - including the issues surrounding Chem Trails.

The only reason why David Icke was mentioned in this thread, was for the information his books, his site, his site's links page, have in relation to chem trails. Feel free to not read his book about Reptillians. Only read his books about chem trails. At his site, skip the links, and info about Reptillians. Just check out the info, and links, about chem trails. 8)

that is so full of assumption and presumption it's inane.  and yes, i have read his books and visited his website and followed the links.

ALL of them? Including the hardcore book "Robot's Rebellion"?

you wanna believe the stuff, so even the most tenuous evidence you find convincing.  you lack a discerning mind.  yer such a fanatic you assign beliefs and thought processes to people they probably don't have.  and yer patronizing attitude doesn't help either.

It's not about "believing the stuff". If something cannot be disproved then it should not be thrown away. No it cannot be 100.100% proved either. But it cannot be 100.100% disproved. No matter if you believe in Evolution, or Creation.

and your logic is flawed.  if all of icke's books and his website and the links don't show enough evidence of reptilians, your post certainly isn't going to convince me.

Here is my logic:

Do you believe in Evolution? Yes or no?

Do you believe in Creationism? Yes or no?

Up to this point, how is my logic flawed?

Now on to the next point in my logic:

Everyone has a yes answer to either one. If you answer yes to either one then you believe in life on other planets.

Up to this point how is my logic flawed?

Now on to the next point in the logic:

We have some guy named David Icke who wrote a bunch of books. Out of all the books he wrote, which cover a bunch of different subjects... the only thing you have issue with is just 1 subject - when he claims that among the other life forms on other planets, in other star systems there's a reptilian race. A 'lizard-like' race.

Logic and fact says you believe in either evolution or creation. Logic and fact says both evolution and creation support the fact that other life exists off Earth.

Now why act in disbelief over the idea that one of these other life forms is reptillian? Or are you like our modern scientists who arrogantly think Humans are the top of the food chain in the entire galaxy, and universe?

The Jews never used to be circumcised. No one used to be circumcised. Then the Jew named Abraham was told by God his new name would be Israel. And he and his offspring would be God's chosen people. As a sign and symbol that they were God's chosen people, they were to curcumcise theirselves, and their kids, and every newborn kid.

So Abraham circumcised himself, had all the grown men in his family/tribe circumcised, all the boys, and newborns. And all newborns after that.

So it was first a sign and symbol that Israel was the chosen people of God/YWH/Yahweh. Then secondly or thirdly it was a helped health, because a circumcised male doesnt have to spend extra time making sure the head is clean underneath the foreskin.

Jesus the Jew comes along thousands of years later, and says Jews are no longer God's chosen people. Anyone can "join the club" including Gentiles (anyone non-Jew). He also said he's making a new covenent/agreement from God to those who follow God. This overrides the old covenent/agreement between God and Abraham/Israel.

God no longer requires all newborns to be circumcised. It is up to the person if they want to do it or not. For health reasons, most still have it done.

Either way, there is absolutly no need to have a rabbi give a blowjob to your newborn kid!

STOP THE PRACTICE OF RABBI'S GIVING BLOWJOBS TO BABIES !!!!!!!!

MY MAN CIRCUMCISION BE BAD EVEN IF NO RABBI SUCK YER SALAMI.

 

THEN IF DA RABBI SUCK YER SALAMI, CIRCUMCISION BE WORSE.

Damn right I agree! No rabbi will ever suck my watermellon! And nooo way would I let a rabbi suck my son's mini-watermellon!

BUT LOOK, LOSS O DA FORESKIN IMPAIRS DA SALAMI POWER. YA MAY ASK, WHY? WELL, LET ME SAY, DA FORESKIN AT FIRST LOOK SUPPERFLUOUS UNTIL YA UNDERSTAND DA CONCEPT O BALLOONIN. JUST READ DR LIN SITE FOR THAT. WHAT THAT MEANS IS, DA SALAMI AKA PENIS, AFTER A COUPLE HOURS O BANGIN DA CHICK, START EXPANDIN TO UNHEARD OF SIZE. THAT'S CALLED BALLOONIN. SO WHEN DA SALAMI BALLOONS, DA FORESKIN ALLOWS THAT EXTRA STRETCH. WHEN DA RABBIS OR DA FUKIN AMERICAN DOCTORS OR DA MUSLIMS SLICE OFF DA FORESKIN, DA SALAMI SKIN GETS TOO TIGHT N SHORT TO ALLOW DA BALOONIN EFFECT N DA SALAMI CANNOT ELONGATE TO SUPERHUMAN LENGHT NO MORE.

You might be right. But let me ask you, what benifit does baloonin do? Does it make a woman cum quicker? Longer?

Circumcised males still cum. They still make sperm. They still are able to reproduce. As long as ya can still cum, it means your salami, or watermelon, or carrot, or cucomber (they come in all sizes eh?), still works, still feels something. And that's what counts in the end.

BESIDES, THER BE ALSO LOSS O FEELIN BECAUSE DA SALAMI HEAD BE NO LONGER PROTECTED BY DA FORESKIN N GET ROUGHED UP BY DA PANTS N LOSES DA FEELIN,

You might be right. But any loss of feeling is sooo tiny its not noticeable. As long as ya can still cum, then that's what counts. If a circumcised guy can still cum it means he has plenty of feeling left.

SO THAT FOR A CIRCUMSIZED SALAMI DA INNER WALLS O DA LOVE PEACH DONT FEEL LIKE MUCH NO MO BECAUSE O SUCH LOSS O SENSITIVITY,

Yer right the foreskin is supposed to protect the little head. But it does more bad than good. The little head emits tons of sweat, mucus, and fluids. During sex, and even not during sex. (But way more during sex.) A circumcised male has 100% easier time keeping things clean = disease free. A non-circumcised male has to go through the pain, and time consuming ritual of rolling back the foreskin in order to clean the little head.

Younger males age 1-12 are less likely to pay attention to this!

In this day and age of 300+ Sexually Transmitted Diseases (there's over 3 types of AIDs, plus many types of other STDs) better to have a circumcised penis/watermellon/salami/dick that's super easy to clean and lessens chances of getting STDs..... than to have a non-circumcised and risk fluids remaining underneath the foreskin next to the little head, next to the penis opening.

SO THAT DA CIRCUMSIZED SALAMI MAY SEEK FOR A HAIRY ANAL CAVITY IN ORDER TO GET MORE FEELIN, SO THAT MAY LEAD TO INCREASED FAGGOT LIKE BEHAVIOR, WHICH ACCORDIN TO DA TAO TEACHIN BE NOT-SO-GOOD.

How is having anal sex with a female, considered faggot behavior? 8)

Many see it as 100% effective birth control! :wink: :wink: When the guy is about to cum, he pulls out of 1 hole, and enters her other hole. :arrow: :twisted: 8)

YA SEE, CIRCUMCISION BE DA ROOT O LOTS O EVIL.

 

 

BYE NOW

 

 

RONNIETSU MAHALINGAM

No where in the Bible does it say having anal sex with wimminz is evil. No where in non-religious medical stuff does it say its unhealthy to have anal sex with yer wife, girl friend, or female harem. 8)

I remembered something just now!

In the Old Testiment, which ancient Jews, and today's Jews follow, there's examples where grown men got circumcised. Grown non-Jewish men who converted to being Jews.

NOW... did the Jews who circumcised them... suck their dicks, their penis?

PROOF that the procedure of giving blowjobs to newborn babies is NOT required!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, ronnietzu, i love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy,

Sadly, the word "conspiracy" is worthless. It's been too dumbed down. (that Bruce Willis movie "Conspiracy Theory" didn't help.) Though that movie did point out that for ever 100 "false" conspiracy, there's 1 hardcore true conspiracy.

The word "conspiracy" right now is a synonym for "kookie", "nutty", made up, and something unproven. A new word has to be used to replace it. A new word that has more seriousness associated with it.

but david icke is full of shit.  he contends the world is ruled by shapeshifiting reptiles that eat children.  every president, every monarch, every rich guy, and most celebrities, are to him, giant reptilians who feed on teh flesh of babes.  (in fact, he's rather mccarthyistic in the way he goes about calling out reptilians--if he says you are, you are). they need this flesh to maintain their human form.

First, did you ever read all his books? Every Barnes and Noble bookstore has his books. :shock: At many you can even sit down and read any book for free. (as long as ya don't have foul body oder, eat outside food, or fart too much. :evil: ) Then they don't mind.

The Reptillian Agenda is one of the many things he contends. Since that seems to be the only thing of the many things D. Icke touches on that you have problems with then allow me:

Pick one - EVOLUTION or CREATION! Everyone, and you too, believe in one or the other!

1. EVOLUTION - Everyone who believes it it, what's your problem? You automatically believe in other beings, other aliens, other lifeforms, from other planets, other stars, other galaxies. You shouldn't have any qualms about someone writting that a Reptillian species might or is, covertly screwing up us and our planet.

2. CREATION - Hmmm and Hmmm again. Guess freekin' what? Everyone who believes in it... you believe even MORE than evolutionists that there's other beings, other aliens, other lifeforms... blah, blah, blah.. from other planets, other stars, blah, blah, blah. Were the angels born on Earth? Angels are aliens, other beings. God is an alien. Jesus is an alien. Satan is an alien. Demons are aliens.

"Waaaahhh Wahhhh, but humans are the only physical species God created!" Really? Where in that Bible of yours does it say this?

Ohhh maybe that part of the Bible that exxxplicitly says God drives a spaceship. God landed or hovered his spaceship. Some human jumped aboard. God in his spaceship took off.

God is an alien. An alien with his own spacecraft. Could this alien make humans? Why not? If an alien has spaceship technology, they can have genetic engineering technology. Super medical technology, biology technology.

A spaceship is used... in case you forgot... to travel between planets, stars, blah, blah, blah.

Sooooooooooo you, and everyone automatically believe in aliens, other beings, from other planets, from other stars. Why? Because BOTH evolutionists and creationists support it as hardcore fact.

now if he had confined his theory to a few people or some small closely associated group and had solid evidence such as dna, photos, films, footprints, scales, a body, medical reports, etc., i might consider it.  but there is no way that a conspiracy of the size he describes can go unnoticed by everyone but him.  one of these people would've morphed back into a reptile in public at some point.

Why would they morph back in public? Get off yer lazy arse and go rent the movie They Live! That movie is 99.9999% true hardcore and raw!!! They have thousand, million, year old technolgy. None of this "made in USA" technology junk. Their stuff says "made in the star Sirrus" technology!

You say no way only he would know all this. What if two days from now a bunch of Reptillian aliens come over your house and said, "Good day unbeliever! We're here to show ourselves juuuust to see exactly what you would do!". What would you then do? Run into the street telling everyone you saw them face to face? Goooo see the movie They Live! It's 99.99% hardcore!

Since they like operating covert, any pictures, video, anyone would have of them would get stumped to dust instantly. Some famous person once said:

"Overt rule always ends sooner or later. Because every waking moment the oppressed know they're being ruled and oppressed. It can't be denied. It can't be ignored. It's easy to rebel against it. No matter how dumb, or sceptic, or disbelieving, the people are, or want to be.

Covert rule is harder to do. [because technology limitations] But when its done, all of the oppressed help the rulers without knowing it. "We're not being oppressed! Where are the oppressors? I'm free to come and go as I please!" Covert rule is hard to prove, flush out. It's hard, to impossible, to rebel against. Especially with people by nature being dumb, sceptical, and disbelieving.

now that doesn't make everything he says untrue, and his comments about chemtrails might be.  but with him as the source i'm inclined to discount them.

So much for D. Icke. OK, ignore him, all of him. Even though you believe in either evolution or creation, and both exxxplicitly support the fact aliens, other life, exists off Earth. What about his links page? Wealth of information overload it links and leads to! Including other sites about chem trails. 8)

My favorite parts from the article:

Worldwide, multiplying the quite reasonable factor of 10, we have 23,400 sorties per day by planes

Again, the absence of reported noise is strange.

Me baaack after the holidays 8)

yeah?  what about the trade unions that have fostered and nurtured an overpriced, underworked labor force that has priced itself out of the global market and sent corporations looking for cheaper labor?

I see your point here and... I agree 50% with it. Unions kept asking for mandatory wage increases every single year or new contract. Instead they should have said every year "Are the workers we represent making enough l00t to earn a living? To not be in the poorhouse?".

The unions were needed at first to fight vs companies and corporations paying workers slave wages. Remember how the US had child labor from the creation of America all the way to the early 1900's? And back then everyone worked 14 hours or more a day with no overtime pay.

But there's a flip side. While workers and unions "outpriced theirselves" the CEO's, owners, stockholders, keep making more money, record amounts of money. Look at Chrysler back when Lee Ioacoca was CEO. They made record profits. What did they do? Obscene raises were given to the CEO's, stockholders, top management. Nothing given to the workers.... except their jobs shipped overseas.

So no matter how much or how little the unions overpriced theirselves - no matter what the companies and corporations would've STILL shipped jobs overseas. Still outsource.

What about jobs with no unions? Those Americans are still getting their jobs shipped overseas, or the companies move overseas, or outsource. That's why this point of yours isn't 100% on the mark. Maybe 50% on the mark. Which leaves the fact that half the problem isn't the fault of illegals. It's the solution companies want, love, and are pushing - more illegals yes yes yes!

Just like the police chief who on purpose hired illegals to work for him. He could've hired an American. He could've afforded to pay an American. He makes hell good money, has connections to president Bush - thats why Bush tried to put him in top police job of America. He's super important man!

what about the benefit developing countires get from that foreign investment towards increasing their own quality of life?

America FIRST! Who the ------ is forcing America to solve the problems of all other countries before solving problems in America!? Why the ---- can't "developing" countries develop theirselves? America did it in the 1700's, 1800's! ALL OF THOSE COUNTRIES HAVE BEEN AROUND THOUSANDS OF YEARS LONGER THAN AMERICA. How the ---- were they able to stay alive for thousands of years before America existed?

After America was made, 100 years went by with America not helping other countries. How the ---- were all those other countries able to function?

Answer: Because they dont need America to live. They have their own land, farms, food, roads. They've been solving their own problems for thousands of years.

And.... what does sending all their illegals to America have to do with helping them develop their country?!????????????????????????????????

 what about cheap fruit and vegetables that are affordable to poor people like me because they're picked by the cheap labor of illegal immigrants?

BIG HINT:

Its cheap because mega corporations own and run the farms. Food is beyond cheap. It's FREE! But the mega corporations destroy most of the food on purpose to keep you, me, everyone, paying whatever price they want to charge. The same way Malls replaced small family stores on main street, USA. Malls can mark things down soo low that family stores cant compete.

American food isnt cheap because of illegals. Its cheap because the companies destroy a certain amount of food on purpose.

And.... even if we go by this point of yours.... American farms dont need 50 million illegal workers. Say they used 5 million illegal workers last year. They don't need an extra 25 million illegals this year. Or an extra 10 million illegals next year. Or an extra 10 million illegals every single new year. If they want to use illegals in the farm industry - fine. How many illegals are needed? 1 million? 5 million? 10 million?

Now what the ----- does the USA need with 100 million illegals???????

lets face it--we live in a global society now.  there's no longer any room to put america first.  we have to compete with everyone else and right now we're losing due to selfishness and greed from all parties concerned.

WRONG! Japan, Germany, Canada, and many other "first world" countries all put their own country first. This stops your point. If they can put their countries first, then so can America!

and don't talk to me about sweat shops and so forth.  i live in a third world country now and often work with and talk to the people who work in these so-called sweat shops.

This thread isnt about sweat shops in other countries. Its about rescuing America. Its about what SheepishLord posted in first post. And all the links he put up to back up his point - America is sinking! America needs to worry about America!

Sweatshops in other countries? Then let those other countries worry about their own workers.

You talk about how you live in a third world country. Alright, whats the name of the country you live in?

people who sit comfortably at home in america or europe and benefit fromt he wealth of those countries there love to blame america for this or that, blame big corporations for this or that, diss western culture, blah blah blah.

It doesnt matter whos beling blamed.... if its the truth then its the truth. Nothing wrong with blaming someone or something if its true!

ok, so the west isn't without sin, that's for sure.  but the issues are so much more complex than that.  wake up, dude.  i'm not a big supporter of big corporations.  in fact, i don't like them, not even the good ones.  but i do like to look at the facts all around.  and the CEO's of Exxon and duPont have a better environmental ethic and more human decency than the average person where i live.

Rewind:

SheepishLord started this thread trying to wake everyone, someone, one, to how America is sinking. One of the holes is population crisis. Illegals are fast forwarding population crisis. He posted many links backing up his point and warning.

I posted with the point that his links dont point out that the American goverment, American companies, all want a population crisis in America. They all want more illegals. I posted a link to Bush pushing this to back up my point.

You quote me, and say its the fault of American people. Unions outpricing their own workers. So companies ship jobs overseas. OK, even more reason to stop illegals from coming - the jobs are leaving America!

And WHY are MORE illegals coming to America if those wonderful American companies are shipping jobs out of America?

You enjoy paying for cheap food made cheap by companies using illegals. OK, keep the illegal workers needed to make cheap food. What about the millions of other illegals in the US now? Who're coming next year?

Im saying I agree SheepishLord is right. But the sources of the problem have to be delt with to solve the problem. You say you like illegals so you can pay cheap prices for things? What about the extra illegals?

Very very very briefly one time. It's kind of scary for me because I generally have this ultra-scientific voice in my head and in this case it's saying "medical science believes that looking directly into the sun for a few seconds can cause permanent blindness. Do you really want to trust your vision to something you've read on the Internet?"  :shock:  

 

Also, the guidelines I've gathered about a

When I was 7 years old I would look into the sun regularly. For 10 mins to 30 mins non-stop. I would look directly into it. I did it for a few days, then stopped. I stopped because I lost intrest. I was just curious for a while "I wonder what would happen if I looked at the sun? Hmmm I don't see anything." Then whatever was the next thing I got curious about got my attention.

I remember the sun kinda looks like a black hole. Except it's the opposite. Like a white hole. The outter edges of the sun seemed to be slowly rotatining. I never went blind. Not blind right now. I'm not saying go look at the sun. I'm only posting my experiences with looking at the sun. Right now I'd think about doing it, but likely I won't look at it. Maybe when I was little I didn't care much, or didn't like listening to anyone.

http://www.sweetpoison.com/about-sweetpoison.html

From the book Sweet Poison by Janet Starr Hull:

I have documented the history of aspartame, government reports and Senate Hearings on aspartame safety, case histories, including death, and provided a list of products aspartame is found in, along with the 92 symptoms of disease aspartame creates.

25% to 50% of all American food is P-O-I-S-O-N !

Read the ingrediants of everything you buy and eat.

If it has Aspartame in it, don't eat or drink or buy it!

Never heard of Aspartame? How about Nutra-Sweet?

Same exact thing. Some marketing spin doctors gave it a more "fun", "innocent", sounding name. The book Sweet Poison is still for sale at major bookstores (Barnes & Noble, etc...). Ask them to look up on their store computer for its exact location in the bookstore. It's not always in the same section.

Made in the 1960's to kill kidney stones, its makers got impatient waiting for FDA approval. They accidently found out Aspartame is 300% sweeter than sugar. 1 gram Aspartame = 300 grams sugar. 1 lb Aspartame = 300 lbs sugar. Can you say $$$$$$$$$$ :twisted: The chance to make 300% profit!!! Forget about using it as intended to kill kidney stones. Use it as unintended as a sugar substitute and sweetner!

One little problem though... it has almost 100 or more different life killing side effects. The FDA said no in the mid and late 1970's. 300% profit is too hard to give up. The Aspartame makers paid off half of the FDA and in the 1980's it got FDA approval. Many FDA officials resigned in disgust.

The doors were now open to use Aspartame as a sugar replacement in food. Nutra-Sweet was a much more nicey nicey sounding name. A nutritious sweet? It's nutritious and sweet? Yeah nutritious for the wallest of its makers! Sweet for the profits of its makers. They made sooooo much money they retired. Sold the company to a Japanese company later on.

The Japanese company refuses to sell Aspartame/Nutra-Sweet in Japan. To put it in Japanese food. But has nooo problem selling it and putting it in American foods.

Air Force Top Gun pilots, regular Airline Pilots, athletes, college students, have died, and suffered the side effects of Aspartame/Nutra-Sweet. Because the FDA is a goverment agency, and has been bought out, all deaths related to it have been covered up. Who knows how many Airline crashes, car accidents, other deaths, and more - are a result of the poison Aspartame/Nutra-Sweet ?!?

*it makes super-microscopic holes in the brain*

Dumbing down those who consume it.

Building up in the brain every time its consumed. If you stop conusming it, it takes years for it to be flushed out of your brain.

80% of all soda, coca-cola, pepsi, have it as an ingrediant. 99% of all diet foods have it as an ingrediant.

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As I understand the overpopulation problem is mostly a 3rd world problem. Africa, Asia, maybe south america.

 

A few good articles on the subject:

 

http://www.rense.com/general59/anirr.htm

 

http://www.rense.com/general49/illeg.htm

 

http://www.rense.com/general59/IMA.HTM

 

Europe faces the same problem as well with people coming from India, China and Africa.

I think Oil shortage and Overpopulation are two factors that will destroy this world in a very near future. We are literally killing ourselves and becoming a pest, a virus that this planet has to deal with. Bird flu is one of ways to do it. http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/11/25/birdflu.warning/

America has never had an illegal im problem in its entire history.

Slaves/Indentured Servents/"illegal aliens" are all used for the same thing:

Free or almost free or cheap or near cheap labour to fuel the capitalist machine. Who did the grunt work to build the US? The railroads, bridges, clothing, cotton, tobacco, farms, food, grapes, wine, construction work, landscaping, and more?

"Illegal" Asians, Chinese, Irish, lower class British, Italians, Africans, Mexicans, Cent & So Americans, Western Europeans, Russians, Southern Europeans. Italians were the worse ever illegal problem in US history - guess what the origins of the derogatory "WOP" means?

Right now there are jobs Americans will not do. Who's going to do them? What happens if no one does them?

America cannot function without having uneducated, non-English speaking, non-American, grunt workers. Illegals have less rights than Americans. Illegals are much easier to hire, ship in, and control. Just ask all the buisnessmen, buisness owners, CEO's, investeors, Bush himself, all his backers:

http://www.rense.com/general59/sisl.htm

The White House yesterday defended Mr. Bush's plan, with press secretary Scott McClellan telling reporters that Mr. Bush "does not support blanket amnesty," but will continue to push for his temporary-worker proposal.

Look at more of todays news:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...kerik_withdraws

Bernard Kerik was a police chief for years and he oversaw going after illegals while also likeing illegals.

You can't bring in 110lbs of bars of gold, 110lbs of diamonds, into the US illegally. But every day thousands of illegals easily slip in? Each of them weighting roughly 110lbs? If there was a problem, if it really was a problem, it would be instantly stopped. But its not a problem. It's a solution.....

A solution for the 1% Elite of the Elite who own the companies, buisnesses, run the goverment of the US. A solution to defeate those annoying white American men who make demands - fair pay, fair benifits, fair working conditions, the right to form unions, the right to strike, the right to have vacation pay, and more. America needs even more illegals! Then companies can pay everyone .50 cents per hour. It'll be just like the scene in that movie "Grapes of Wrath" based on the book with the same name. Or even in the scene in the movie "Gangs of New York" based on the book with the same name.

The book "Stupid White Men" put it bluntly:

Q: How many Mexican, Chinese, South American, Central American, Russian, and illegal alien CEOs[/u] of American companies are there?

So who's been shipping American jobs out of America? Who decided Harley-Davidsons will now be made in Japan?

*sob*

Who's been breaking the unions? Who's been backing Bush and his proposal to bring in as many illegals as possible? Who wants even more illegals in the US?

There is no illegal problem because of who is benifiting. And it's not you, me, or 99% of Americans who are benifiting. Problem for us, what are we going to do about it? What have we done about it? Nothing. Nothing.

Except continue letting the 1% Elite of the Elite in America continue bringing in even more illegals... to help in their solution.

Don't like the illegal solution? Then target the right people, just like the book "Stupid White Men" says - the ones who benifit. Refuse to buy a new Harley. Tar and Feather all the politicians, backers of those politicians, and the rest of the 1% Elite of the Elite who love as many illegals as they can get. Demand American companies stop shipping jobs out of the country. Tar and feather CEOs who ship jobs out of the country! Tar and feather buisness owners who hire illegals instead of Americans!

As for "There's some jobs Americans won't do"..... Tar and feather Americans who refuse to work grunt jobs

Overpopulation = good for those who benifit. Overpopulation = supercheap labour force for buisness owners, CEO's, companies, the goverment, the 1% Elite of the Elite.