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Cutting through the Natural Health Marketing Jungle

 

A few years ago the big thing in the natural health marketplace was Noni juice. It claimed to help just about every ailment under the sun, and there were a multitude of glowing testimonials. There was Ester-C and Blue Green Algae.

I have no memory of it. Perhaps before "my time". Anyhow, it doesn't matter what used to be the in thing.

It's all about common sense. One must do their own homework. Look up whatever the product is. Talk to people who use it. Then test it on yourself. Keep a journal for 1-6 months. Then see if there are any positive differences. If yes, then decide if one wants to keep using. If no, then no big deal if one no longer uses it.

Now it's soy shakes, goji berries, and krill oil - and a dozen more. But we forget that these products go in and out of style just like other types of products, and the overinflated claims and testimonials make us believe that each new panacea is the one to stock up on and tell all our friends about.

Now you are assuming. You do know what Benny Hill said when you ass-u-me. You give a blanket statement "each new panacea". Soy can be good or bad. Soy milk is better than the garbage fake cow milk sold in all stores. But too much reliance on soy is not good.

Pure goji-berries aka WOLF BERRIES, are litterally food of the gods. Scientists are shocked such a food exists. There's also emperor goji berries/wolf berries.

Now here's where one's common sense enters. Everything I said in my first response. I've purchased Wolf Berries in China Towns. They are different than the one sold in "yuppie" health food stores. I noticed when I read the ingrediant label, the one in the mainstream health food stores has additional ingrediants ADDED. Not good.

Well, there's something wrong with this picture. It's not that all those products have no value. Some have a lot of value as tools that work for specific purposes. But in any case, it's not hard to see beyond the marketing hype, that many of these products aren't exactly what they seem.

*Allows his barbarian blood to thaw out*

No, nothing is wrong with the picture. Something is wrong with people who do not use their common sense. Common sense is another way of saying common logic. Yes slick marketing is used to sell items. It's up to the consumer to engage in critical thinking aka common sense aka common logic. My example with the goji/wolf berries says it all.

One needs to take the time, make the effort, do the homework, on whatever the product is. Are the ingrediants natural, or man made then added? Is this product found naturally in nature? What's its shelf life? Where in the store is it stocked? (is it next to the pesticide products?). Shop around for prices, including the internet. Etc.. etc...

There is nothing wrong with a person, or company, wanting to make money off a health product. The question is... the homework one needs to do... is does the product hold up to its claims? Does it hold up to the homework you/one does on it?

Let's look at a few particular issues to start cutting through the hype:

 

1. Specialness - is the product really as special as it sounds?

 

Most of the heavily marketed natural health supplements are essentially "knockoffs" of other products and are not truly unique. Many contain very ordinary ingredients that could be bought separately for a fraction of the cost. But with slick packaging and marketing, they become "new and improved" as if they deserve the special attention and price tag.

Some folks don't have the time to shop for all the products seperatly. If they can afford the price, no problem if they buy it. It comes down to is the product real? Does it measure up to its claims?

Example... you posted goji berries as another of the many items that come into style, then go out of style. So what if this happens? Goji berries are indeed as special as they sound!

Many contain "proprietary ingredients" that make them sound special when they may not be. A critical thinker would want to question the manufacturer to find out what's so special.

This one sentance IMHO could've been your entire post. It's all that needs to be said. Then your thread can be seen as another reminder to everyone to keep their critical thinking hats on always.

 

2. Specialness - Hidden presuppositions in the marketing claims.

 

If the product is really one of a kind, and no other goji juice contains THIS many antioxidants, that may be true, but do we really WANT that many antioxidants? We don't really know that. Chances are that we don't really, or that the difference in the amount of antioxidants is not significant. Many people don't know that too much antioxidant activity can be quite harmful. But the "more is better" assumption is built into the marketing claim.

Now you are making a blanket statement. Sometimes more is better. Sometimes it is not. How to decide? Take everything on a case by case basis.

Do YOU know what oxidation is? Oxygen for humans is both a life giver, and the element that ages and kills us. It causes our cells to "rust" just like it does to everything else. Imagine putting 10 coats of weather protectant on a bar of metal. It will be very well protected. Imagine putting 100 coats of weather protectant on. Yes, it's more than enough. Yes it can be said to be tooooo much. But is it now doing more harm than good?

Just like in advance military training, when one is looking for a food source, one does gradual experiments on oneself (eat a nibble, wait 5 hours, eat another nibble, wait 5 hours, etc...) one goes through doing homework on anti-oxidants. Then finally experimenting on oneself in small, controlled doses. Eat a certain serving for 1 month, recording how one feels, and what happens.

I eat about a hand full of goji/wolf berries twice a week, and get great results. I've talked to others who eat a hand full each day. Eat 2-8 handfulls each day. They also get great results.

I've experimented with carrot juice. Drinking 1-7 gallons each week, after first eating a heavy meal so that the juice stays in the stomach longer. I've found that for me personally 1-2 gallons per week works fine - after experimenting with different amounts.

What may be "too much" anti-oxidants for you, may be fine for someone else. When it comes to each person's health and diet, one must do their own homework, and their own experiments.

3. Testimonials - a dime a dozen.

 

Testimonials can be quite impressive. People seem to "cure" their arthritis with this Flexanol product. Or it's MSM. No doubt those people did get those results - probably most aren't lying. But what do testimonials really mean, in terms of how likely this particular product is to help YOU?

This is just a repeat of what's covered above. It comes back to using one's own common sense, logic, and critical thinking. Testimonials are simply information. Most are skewed. It is up to the person to sift through them for the intresting ones. For example, the cure for cancer has long been found, and used since the 1930's. There are testimonials. One would then do homework... which includes following up on the testimonials, investigating the testimonials. If one just uses a blanketed view, one would miss the testimonials that may not be skewed, that may point to products that really do work.

http://www.starbase21ok.com/dirk_benedict.htm

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0070767/bio

4. Marketing to symptoms.

You mean the WESTERN market. Westerners are too lazy to do preventive medicine. If they would streach, exercise, eat right, stop over eating, meditate, concentrate on building good karma, concentrate on "not being an a--" to other people as much as possible, they would not get the "flu symptoms" in the first place.

Preventive medicine means acting first.

"I don't want to get a potbelly gut. Let me start doing crunches, and leg raises now, while I don't have one yet,"

Current Western medicine is about re-acting.

"Oh no! I now have a potbelly gut. Now I'll just get liposuction surgery, or surgery to shrink my stomach, blah, blah, blah..."

Fill in potbelly gut with "flu symptoms", cancer, lethargy, tiredness, weak bones, flabby muscles, impotence, being unable to last longer than 10 secs with a woman, etc.. etc... other problems.

5. Results based on removal of symptoms.

 

 

The symptom is just the messenger, not the disease. Sure, sometimes you do need to manage the symptoms in order to make yourself more comfortable, but there are ways to do that safely without suppression which drives the disturbance deeper.

 

The problem with natural health marketing, and even many natural health practitioners, is that they don't really know the difference between the symptom and the disease. They are working on the level of symptoms just like the allopath is, trying to kill the symptom for the short-term gain of making the patient feel better. That's what most people are looking for.

Again, you are talking about the present WESTERN view of medicine or "medicine". The Western view of results or "results".

With preventive medicine, the results are that there are no problems in the first place. You would not have a cough in the first place because of you activly taking charge of your diet, physical health, and mental health, from the getgo (age 5? heheheh ).

Well, that's what people can get, if they're willing to risk making themselves sicker in the longer run. They may be young and robust, and maybe they won't notice the damaging effects of some of these natural health protocols. But I think that many people would want to know that there is another side to this health marketing hype, and that they may be spending a lot of money on products that aren't really helping.

Oh there is another side alright. Just like the link in my sig shows. It's not just health products that may be wronging us. It has been found, and proven, that it's bad, horrible, DIET.

For example, anything with Aspartame, which also goes by the name Nutra-Sweet, is littarally P-O-I-S-I-O-N. Check out the book "Sweet Poison" at any major bookstore for the graphic details.

Also hydroginated corn oil, artifical color (insert number 1-100 here)... red #2, blue #4, yellow #8, etc... etc...

ALL milk sold in stores is fake poison garbage. Flash Pastrizing KILLs any positive nutrients. Then the man-made vitamins are added to it to "fortify" it. "100IU Vitamin D". Homoginization isn't as bad, but still not good. Food should stay as nature makes it. There's a reason nature makes it the way it's naturally made. Like honey, royal jelly, pure cow milk, colostrum, pure goji/wolf berries, everything Dirk Benedict found out when he discovered the facts about the cure for cancer, and more, etc... etc...

You have people eating s---t food, which makes them get sick. Then they take s--t medicine to treat the sickness. ALL this mess could have been avoided using preventive medicine. Stop eating the s--t food in the first place! LOL! How to find out what is s--t? One needs to activly do their own homework.

Generally people don't really know what they are doing except that they're taking something "natural" to help a particular symptom or problem. They have no idea of the complex physiological functions that are being altered, and the possible imbalances that are being caused, even by taking a simple nutrient like calcium.

Oh, they know. They just don't want to do their own homework. Example... taking calcium. Obviously it's man made. If they would simply go visit a farm, and ask the farmer for pure cow milk, then they will be taking the REAL natural calcium.

And again, one needs to experiment on oneself. In small doses, over a period of time (1-6 months). And yes, things will possibly get altered. It's part of finding out what works, and what does not work. Even Dirk Benedict had to eat the right foods for himself, and monitor what happened over time.

Generally these things are safe in relatively small doses, but we need to take a sobering look at the megadoses and "more is better" approach that's often thought is required to get the best results. The heroic "no pain, no gain" approach works well for ripping off a band-aid from your finger. But otherwise, we really want to know whether the gain is real and isn't causing new problems that we didn't bargain for.

Again, that's a blanket statement, about another blanket statement.

Sometimes pain is needed to gain. Sometimes some pain is needed. Sometimes no pain is needed.

It all comes down to a case by case basis.

Everyone is different. That's why it's back to doing one's own homework. Gradually experimenting on oneself, and recording the results over time.

I don't need mega-doses of goji/wolf berries to feel fine. Others can take mega-doses of goji/wolf berries and feel fine.

So what's the best way to make your way through the jungle of health products?

 

First, find out what is really unique about the product you're interested in. Consider that what it does might be done just as well by many other more ordinary products. Most of the network marketed products (what used to be called multi-level marketing) fall in this category. Most are not-so-unique products that don't do much more than their simple counterparts in your local heath food store.

 

If there is a dizzying array of similar products, and you're not sure which you need, find out if they're all really essentially different. For example, there are dozens of different products based on beneficial phytochemicals in berries. Are they each so different from one another? The claims point to specific differences - one comes from a unique source, one is more pure than the rest, etc. The distinctions are dizzying, and probably not as important as it sounds.

No, one must first decide if they really, really, want to get to the bottom of matters - or not. There is no part way, half way, when it comes to pursuing the best possible health. With this said, it won't matter if there's a "dizzying array of simlar products". One will take the time to look at every single one. Filter out all the ones that have man-made chemicals in them - using common sense aka critical thinking aka homework aka investigation. Like my example with the goji/wolf berries. The ones I found in my local China Town had only wolf berries as the ingredients. The same goji/wolf berries found in the local mainstream supermarket, and health stores, had additional ingredients added!

Look at what your need is fundamentally. Maybe you're constipated, and you need to address that. But do you need a stimulating herbal formula? Maybe you just need to drink more water, or maybe you need more good quality fats in your diet.

 

If you're a chilly type with certain deficiencies, the stimulating herbs may actually have a weakening effect for you. So you'd want to investigate what is the best way for YOU to approach this constipation problem, and not just match your symptom to the product.

 

-Karen Robinson

Guide for Self-Healing

http://www.guideforselfhealing.com

Now you are entering the realm of preventative medicine.

If she drank enough water in the first place, helped by always carrying a bottle with her everywhere, then she would never get the constapation problem in the first place.

It would be ok for the person to get the weakening effect from the herb. It's all part of experimenting with what works best for each person. Then they find out for sure it's not the right herb. Move on to the next possible solution. Rinse, repeat. Just like Dirk Benedict did until he finally found the RIGHT cure for cancer.

Very last item, no one, including me, should ever assume they know everything. One should always, be open to new ideas, new treatments, new finds.

i've been a vegan for about 2 months - not really strict strict as at times i've eaten food both willingly and unwillingly that have dairy or something similar in them. anyways, this has really been bugging me as of recent. i eat dinner for example with like some tofu and rice and possibly a wheat bagel after but i never feel "full." i always feel like i can eat more than what i have. i have been thinking a lot about going back to a non vegan diet but avoiding red meat still and some dairy. this would allow me to eat chicken and fish which are both very nourishing. also i fear that i may not be getting enough protein as for someone my age i should be getting 70 grams a day at least and i don't think i'm near that.

- Something else you should try:

Drinking water. Whenever you feel hungrey, drink some water first before eating. While you are eating drink water (or whatever liquid, non-concentrate orange juice, soy milk, whatever.). You get the most out of non-water fluids by drinking them while eating, or after eating - the food makes them sit in the stomach longer, giving more of a chance to asorb their vitamins.

For the majority of people, the desire to drink and desire to eat, are closely tied together. Sometimes I drink a half gallon of water before eating.

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IMHO the evidence shows vegan diet is a sham. And vegetarian diets are nothing special. (Not as bad as vegan. But not really as spectacularly greater than "normal" diets.)

Simply look at the Russian/Commie athletes, and their performances vs American/"Western" athletes. There is either no difference, very little difference, or the non-Western athletes run circles around the Western athletes. And even better example is S. American, African, Cent. American, athletes and how they dance around Western Athletes. They eat a mix of fruits, veggies, and MEAT.

IMHO kosher meat is better than non-kosher meat though.

Look at people who live very long. It's more from building more good Karma more than bad karma first, getting exercise second, and third eating sensibly.

There seems to be a lot of so called 'master's,sifu's,lama's and guru's' who are only too willing to show you their 'secrets' these days. Usually this comes in the form of having to hand over differing sums of money, ranging from a few pounds/dollars etc, for a book/dvd, to vast amounts of money for courses and seminars.

1. The REAL hardcore teachers you'll have to FIND yourself. And I mean FIND them, because they don't want to BE found! These are the teachers who can go a month without food, or water, who use their top chakra to feed theirselves. These are the teachers who walk around the Himalaya's near naked, in minus 20 degree wind chill weather and when you touch them they are warm and hot.

Muhammed Ali the boxer once met an Asian teacher. He told Ali to punch him as hard as he could in the neck. Ali did, and nothing happened. This is what I mean by the real teachers who exist, but don't want to be found. It's just like in those old martial arts movies, where the student follows the teacher around for years, until the teacher finally gives in and starts teaching him - after seeing how driven the student is to want to learn.

2. On to the "known" teachers. The ones who do wish to be found. Just because they want money doesn't always mean they are evil. What... you expect them to sleep on a park bench? Your point can be used against itself - if some teachings are being given away cheap, maybe they are like pop music. If some teachings are expensive, maybe they are like quality nitch music that's 1 million times better than Britney Spears.

3. Money shouldn't be THE deciding factor. Some EXCELLENT books cost serious money. (Go check out the Matrix 5 book... $80 buckaroos it costs per copy! And it's better than every single text book taught in high school, and college!). Just like when ya shop for a car, cloths, sometimes the more expensive is better quality... sometimes the least expensive is just as good quality. How do you know/find out? Research. Observe. Ask questions. I'll take that 80.oo book over any 20.oo or 50.oo book any day. Even if I have to go a few days without food, and water, and be stuck recycling/drinking my own urine! (after a few times, it becomes more pure than the purest water

The deciding factor should be your intuition. Your "gut" feeling. Your "Higher Self". Your instincts. After doing common sense research - talking to whatever teacher, former students, standing back and observing .... simular to how ya read the back cover of a book that may intrest you before buying it....... Or even stand back and watch how other book browsers re-act to a certain book. When I go to the movies, part of the fun is observing the crowd and how they react, their comments before and after the movie. Stand back and observe.

If it feels right, if you don't get any obvious negative vibes - then save up your $$$$ and check it out - whatever book, whatever teacher, whatever DVD's, courses, blah blah blah.... etc... etc... etc... All I'm saying is don't let money be THE deciding factor when your shopping around for something serious, something life changing, something that may give more quality to your life.

- First 40 minutes rip through organized religion

- Last 40 minutes is A M A Z I N G !!! Shows how screwed up America is, the world is, all in an orderly, clean, neet, mannerable, presentation.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=55...15331&hl=en

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4102374a20475.html

There are tons of Aspartame/Nutra-Sweet cases every month, every year. But the controlled media keeps them from appearing. It's rare that such a story gets through. 99.8% of all doctors do not know about it. Or if some do, they stay quiet. Most likely they simply don't know about it. The internet is a double-edged sword. Right now current time it can work wonders in gettting around major media. (Yeah intresting how hawt the chick looks LOL!) Here is the story:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4102374a20475.html

Finally my true question is am I silly for finding this tugging at my heart strings and almost illiciting tears as it is only a cartoon or have I truly found a representation for how a true hero can be and am justified in my feelings?

 

My only comment is... only in the west (and mostly America at that) are cartoons viewed as "silly, dumb, meaningless" things. In the rest of the world, and mostly in Asia, cartoons are viewed as simply another form of communication. And that is exactly what they are. Just like books, movies, on and on.

So it is not simply "only a cartoon". It is a story told using a type of communicative format, which touched you.

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It is up to you, based on YOUR life experiences, your intuition, what and who you feel is a hero, or villian. Take "Superman" for example. Is he a hero or the ultimate villian? We all know about the propaganda that says he is a hero. But he never corrects the ills in Africa, the mass executions, the drug trade in S. America, the craziness related to Israel and the Middle East. He turns back time only to save 1 woman, but what about other people? What a selfish fiend!

Based on my life experience, a bad guy to one side is a good guy to another side. As the famous quote goes - history is written by the winners. (I amend it to Official History )

OpenSecret,

 

After reading your post I am also reminded of a quote from Al Pacino in the movie "The Devils Advocate" when he says something (referrering to a sex session with some random) along the lines of ...

 

"She looks back with her eyes wide open, expecting the trojan army -

and it's just little ol' me there ... and she thinks ... what the hell ??"

 

Your point, which is centered around a quote that is not in real life, but in a movie..... that's in a movie. Which some male screenwriter wrote, and re-wrote, which some male studeo exec edited and re-edited. The goal of which was to make a script, any script, that would help the movie sell. Did you know that when a movie goes up to get backing, the potiential backers/investors never view the entire movie? All that's created is 5-15 minutes of "pizazz" to sell the movie? Also known as "moments in a movie", which would include that quote you point out.

The people I mentioned were not making quotes in movies, they were commenting in real life, based on their real life experiences. They "got around" hundreds, if not thousands, of times more than you, me, and 90% of the population. Back to what I said, back to what SheepishLord said, it's a serioius subject the idea that a guy must be "hung" and any guy not "hung" is useless, and not a guy. Being "hung" does not = being able to bring a woman to orgasim. Being able to bring a woman to orgasim = what every guy should be aiming for.

I'll give another real life example that shows size is NOT related to bringing a woman to orgasm. After the movie "Elf" came out, one of the stars, Peter Dinklage .......

The Man on the tabletop in the middle of this picture

One of many examples of him having "something" women can't describe that makes them want to orgasm

Another example, which no well "hung" guy has

........ goes into a New York City nightspot. Few of the women know who he is. Hell, few of the women can even see him until he speaks. He proceeds to get the phone numbers of everywoman he targets, as well as lay them, much to the dismay of every single other "hung" guy in the nightspot. One of the women was later interviewed by the gossip section of two major NY Newspapers. "Why did you give him your phone number?", the reporter asked. "I don't know," replied the TALL, attractive woman "I don't normally give out my number to strangers who just come up to me. But there was something about him, his confidance, the way he came up to me."

To repeat the main point again - penis length does not bring a woman to orgasim. Especially the high level orgasm SheepishLord mentioned on page 1. Knowing how to manipulate a woman's clitoris > being well "hung".

Dr. Lin is a charlatan. He takes some things that work--hell I recommend fish oil, and some of his stuff is basic tantric stuff he's lifted from other places. But his science is lousy and he's ripping people off.

 

The original poster didn't ask how he could give women screaming orgasms. He asked specifically how he could make his penis bigger. I answered. Thundersplace is the best place to go if you want to find out how to make your penis bigger.

 

And seven inches is hung, ya big goofball. Get over yourself.

1. SheepishLord answered the original poster in full. He said it's not about the size, it's about the health of the guy. It's about the guy learning how to bring the woman to orgasm - which has NOTHING to do with how long the penis is. Now do you get it? One can't be more specific than that.

2. Next, if YOU believe 7 inches is "hung" then that's sad. What do you consider avarage? 4 inches? "Hung" is basically a penis soo long, that it cannot completly 100% fit inside an avarage sized woman (Avarage sized woman : consider a woman either same height as the guy, or up to his shoulder in height.) 9 inches or more is litterally "hung" for men around 6 feet tall.

Witch, you are also sad due to the fact you are saying any man under 7 inches is worthless, is not a man, is less likely to bring a woman to orgasim.

2b. In a way, "hung" does not exist, since a taller woman will have a deeper vagina. A man who is "hung" to a 5 foot woman, will not be "hung" to a 7 foot woman. ("hung" meaning the real definition which is that the penis is not able to 100% fit inside the woman.)

3. The majority of organisms for a woman are NOT the result of a penis being huge, long, or "hung". The majority of sex is mental. (Some say 99%). If the woman is intensly intrested mentally, and turned on by the guy mentally, then she is on her way. Basically, its the full package of the guy. It could be his job, the shared aura or vibe between her and the guy, his income, social standing, that he wears a uniform, the sex position (eg: doggy style - she finds it "kinky" aka not following social "norms"), that her family would not approve of the guy... ["ohhh, if only Daddy knew who I was having sex with hahah"] etc... all examples that intensly turn women on mentally which leads to orgasms. NOT the length of the guys penis.

4. Brad Pitt once made a candid observation. Which was that it all comes down to how a guy manipulates a womans clitoris. A man who knows how to manipulate it, has experience in manipulating it, can easily bring a woman to orgasm, and even the high level orgasm SheepishLord talks about on page 1 of this thread. This has NOTHING to do with how long a guy's penis is.

4b. As long as the penis is long enough to NOT come out of the vagina on every stroke, then it is long enough to do its job. So a 3 to 4 inch penis can work just as well as a 7 inch penis. The vagina is extreemly accomodating.

4c. A penis that is "hung" , soo long that all of it cannot fit inside the vagina, is at risk of causing the woman pain. Which obvioiusly is not conductive to giving her an orgasm. Banging too hard against a woman's cervix hurts her. As long as the penis can reach a woman's cervix without banging into it too hard, then all possible pleasureable bases are covered. Since the vagina is extreemly accomodating to ALL sizes, including a penis 3 inches, it means a "hung" penis is "useless". A guy who puts all his attention and efforts into trying to become "hung" is wasting his time. He SHOULD be putting his effort into learing how, what, and gaining experience in what stimulates a womans clitoris.

5. Speaking from my personal experience, and I consider myself avarage sized, even though I fit Witch's "definition" of "hung". All the women I've been with have had orgasim after I did foreplay on their entire body, and from either them, or me, stimulating their clitoris. IMHO (And strictly IMHO) a guy who knows how to use his tongue on the clitoris can bring a woman to climax the quickest, and highest. ADD the fact the woman has to also have NO sexual hangups (see trauma. Like too strict religious upbringing saying all sex is dirty, filthy, etc...)

Sooooooooooo......... to the original poster who asked how to make his penis bigger, as long as you are 3-4 inches or bigger while erect, and are able to cum, you can relax. Concentrate on learning not to cum too quick, getting into good overall physical shape - diet, good circulation, good looking body, no or as little pot belly as possible, good hygiene - exercise, and have a positive good self esteem. Get into hobbies that intrest you, do something you are good at, or that intrests, you. Do volunteer work. Follow the majority of advice on this site from SheepishLord and others on this site about building up your Higher Self, spirit, Inner Self (Kundalini, Dharma, etc.... things in the links section, etc....) All help build good self esteem.

Finally, Arnold Schwartzenegger also made a candid comment on penis size. That it's simply a metal game among guys. He talked about how once he partook in an orgy with a stripper. Him and a group of guys went upstairs and did an orgy with her. He said the guys who remained downstairs felt that they had small dicks. That only the guys who felt they had big dicks went upstairs and joined in the orgy.

If a guy with a 4 inch length felt he was big, he went upstairs, joined the orgy on the woman, and had no problems with no one. If a guy with a 6 inch length felt he was too small, or would not compare to the other guys, he ended up staying downstairs. It's all mental.

Ahhh yesss!

Something else I almost forgot about. No matter how powerful the teacher, student, practicioner,

no matter how leearned they are, no matter how advanced they are.... it comes to this first over all else.

Here it is !!! Print it out, and read through it every day heheh!!

Basically, it's a dissection of Karma. Karma dissected.

It's why someone like George Burnes can smoke a big fat cigar for decades and live to old age ... and still

be vital and strong, and walk! And why many of the world's biggest health nuts die almost instantly all of

a sudden dropping dead at a relativly young age.

And yes, it applies to cultivation students, teachers, masters, all. So, Jane Pitman may have had far more wisdom and merit than JD Rockerfeller. The lady mentioned in the first post in this thread may have had more wisdom and MERIT than many cultivation masters, thus she outlived them. Many cultivation students, and masters may simply not live super-long because they do not have enough wisdom and MERIT ... in this life/carnation go around.

There is something everyone, the media, and even most posters on this site MISS!!!

It's the oldest K N O W N person in the world who died.

There are plenty of people OLDER who are still alive. For many various reasons, they have no wish to be known, famous, or to contact the media.

Here is a great example...

- Plenty of people can whup the current Boxing Heavyweight Champion "of the world".

- Plenty of people can whup the winner of those strongman tournaments in which they fight in cages, grapple, etc..

- African runners have existed for thousands of years. Only recently in the past 10 years or so have they "suddently" dominated the world track and running scene. Change African to Russian women, Mexican runners, etc.. etc....

- And why the heck is the American Baseball championship still called the "WORLD" series?!?

The point is... far bigger, stronger, better, people simply have no intrest, no means, or whatever, to be in the media limelight. Sooo... it is the oldest KNOWN person who died. It is the most recently KNOWN man who went to the north pole, south pole, orbited earth, went to the moon, etc... etc....

What's the big deal?

It's in mainstream movies.

Go rent "Starsky and Hutch" with Vince Vaughn, Owin Wilson, Ben Stiller, Snoop Dogg, Carmen Electra and Amy Smart. Owin Wilson has a 3 some with 2 girls at the same time on a couch with everyone kissing.

And.... and.... on it goes.

So... no big deal.... 2 girls kissing is mainstream blase. LOL!

I have some questions about QuickBooks Edition 2006.

A friend of mine recently got QuickBooks Pro Editon 2006, for her small buisness. She is the owner, and employs 4 other people. She is having a problem figuring out how to enter information, and asked me to help her with it. I was wondering if anyone here is familiar with this program? And if yes, can you help answer some questions?

1. In the top menu, click on where it says "Report Center". A new window opens called "Reports". Scroll down a bit, and see the heading called "Income and Expenses". Click on the link called "Expenses by Vendor Detail". A new smaller window opens called "Expenses By Vendor Detail". Questions:

- HOW does one get the info for the buisness to appear, to be listed, to be entered, in that last window?

- How does one change the entered, and listed, info for the buisness that is in that last window?

- Is it possible to change the template menu lists? And put in ones own menu list title instead of what they already have?(where it says 'type' 'date' 'num' 'memo' 'account' 'clear' 'split' 'amount' 'balance')

2. Going back to the window that says "Reports". Scroll down a bit and see the heading called "Balance Sheet & Net Worth". Click on the link called "Details". A new window will open. Questions about this specific window:

- HOW does one get the info fro the buisness to appear, to be listed, to be entered, in that last window?

- How does one change the entered, and listed, info for the buisness that is in that last window?

- Is it possible to change the template menu lists? And put in ones own menu list title instead of what they already have?(where it says 'type' 'date' 'num' 'memo' 'account' 'clear' 'split' 'amount' 'balance')

THANK You in advance to anyone who can answer all these questions, or as many of them as you can!

I'll never forgive Chuck for being a good martial artist who knows his stuff in real life, for doing so many lame ass - begin back kick, stop camera, stretch leg several minutes, new angel, start camera,  foot kicks perp, perp flies.  Repeat through out the show.

 

Why he'd want to do such a lame circa 1970's move in the first place is beyond me.  The fact that he can't do it in a single take, also makes me wonder why he allows such lame fight choreography when he knows 'real' fight moves. 

 

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Steven Segal suffers from the same problem. Bruce Lee commented on this. In a nutshell, there are 2 types of martial arts:

1. Real life martial arts. Meaning, you want the fight to last as SHORT as possible, and your intentions are to flee or fight. (Fighting is part of fleeing too. Dissabeling your opponet enough so you can flee.)

2. Hollywood/film/movie martial arts. Meaning, you want the fight to last as LONG as possible. Your intentions are to pose, pose, pose. This works best when, and IF, the fighter cherographs their own fight moves and/or someone who IS a martial artist is in charge of cherographing the fight moves.

Chuck Norris, and Steven Segal, the majority of the time do not have martial artists cherographing their moves. And if they do it theirselves, they have not studied the above two points mentioned by Bruce Lee. This is why Chuck seems to do the exact same move all the time in every single movie. He first has not arrived at the above two points. He has not made the effort to further study film aka become his own cherographer.

Add to this list of good real life martial artists, who have "failed" on film:

Chuck Norris, Steven Segal, ERNIE (anyone remember ERNIE? Around age 12 he was beating up grown men! Had his own TV show for a bit), Jean Claude-Van Damme, Cynthia Rothrock, the guy who made that movie "Gymkata", and other much lesser known names not worth wasting space. (Like the guy who made all the "American Ninja" movies LOL!.)

Bruce Lee studied film from age 4 onward. As well as martial arts. Jackie Chan was and understudy of Bruce Lee. Hanging out with Lee, and even appearing in some of his movies. ADD the fact that Bruce Lee was involved in real life or death battles. There is no substitute experience for having won real life battles. For experiencing the real life "killer instinct". Chuck Norris, and the rest of them, were Tournament fighters. First, there are RULEs. Then there is a refferee. Yadda, yadda. It's what made Mike Tyson rip apart opponets in the ring in 10 seconds or less - he was fighting for his life on the streets of New York City. He had the real life "killer instinct".

Another example is in the book on the Hell's Angels. The founder Sonny Berger tells of how the Hell's Angels would always kick the s--- out of every martial artist they'd on purpose start fights with. Knocking them out cold in 1-2 fistsmashes. (They would go into "square" bars, see a guy dancing with a girl, and on purpose walk up to the girl and snatch her away from her "square" guy. The "square" guy would go into Tournament martial arts stance and mode. When he came to, he was in back of an ambulance..)

Because the Hell's Angels constantly, every night to once a week, were in life or death fights with other bike gangs. (like the Gypsie Jokers, the Breed, and tons of others.) Every single Hell's Angel got in touch with the "killer instinct".

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Soooo... to anyone who wants to be the best possible martial artist, in the movies and on TV:

1. Study film! Everything in front of the camera, and behind the camera. Go to school for it, work under people already in the industry. Observe. Lighting is most important. As well as the other stuff - music, story, plot, etc...

2. READ! Read classic lit, lit from as many different countries as you can. So one will be able to bring "newer" ideas to the screen for plots.

3. Yes, train under good martial arts instructors. IMHO the best ones are Asian. Or next best thing.....at least choose one whose master was Asian.

3b. Get into running 10k races. Excellent stamina, and mind strength builder!

4. Yes, on purpose get involved in real life street fights. Go into any Asiantown, stand on the sidewalk, sooner or later if you are non-Asian, some young punks will on purpose try to kick your a--. Even better, travel to other Asian countries, as soon as you step off the airplain, young punks will try to kick your a-- every 2 seconds LOL! Get an Asian woman, and they will try to kick your a-- non-stop! You will be forced to experience the "killer instinct"!!!

5. Up to ya if ya want to then partake in Tournament fighting. The USA is the best location for best visibility. Sooner or later Hollywood will notice you.

A question for everyone here:

What do all of you think about SOY milk, soy rice, and other soy food,

that is purchased in Koratown, Chinatown, or Asiatown?

Soy products that are imported from Korea, China, and Asia? Made in Asia?

Do Asians make their soy products up to better standards?

What do you guys think about rice milk? Rice pudding? And other rice products? The past few months, I have been starting to drink rice milk, and am thinking of using it instead of Soy milk.

I visit Koreatown, Chinatown, Asiatowns, off and on, and buy soy products there.

What is up with people who want to die? They just live and decay, they dont want to live forever. They hate their life that much? They want to die!?

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It is more varried than that -

- People who want to die simply do suicide and boom... its over.

- Then you have people who slowly do suicide. They're just too lazy to do it right, and do it quick!

- Then there's fake suiciders. They really want to live, but are lonely, want attention, whatever. They haven't learned ya have to be your OWN best friend. Ya need to stop giving other people power over ya. "Ohhh I have tons of friends it means I'm worth something!" "Oh I dont have tons of friends it means I'm worthless!".

- Then ya have people who simply accept death. This has nothing to do with wanting to die. All it means is ya don't fear death. Ya don't let the fear of dying rule your thoughts. Once you accept death, you become more free. Less worries, your able to do things. Really relax, whatever. Waste less brain power worrying, and spend more brain power on other suff, goals,.......

denying the existence of your enemy is different from denying the existence of evil itself.

There's evil. Then there's..... brutal major evil evil! The sith lordy lords are suppose to be the worse type of evil. Worse than the evil Hutts, and whatever other evils are around the galaxy. They jedi deny and deny and deny not just evil, but the worse kind of evil.

i could say that the nazis no longer exists (ok, so there are small pockets of neonazis, but not the nazis of hitler's reich).  that doesn't mean i deny the existence of evil.

Your right and wrong. Your not denying the existance of evil, but your denying the existance of one of the worse, evil evils! An evil soo evil, it almost took over the world and made the whole world evil!

it has other forms, including those within myself, that i need to be wary of.  unfortunately, most people, including those in positions of power we call "leaders,"

The evil inside you, pales to the evil of the nazis. No chance of you ever taking over the world and ruling over everyone.

Hell, no chance of you ever taking over just 1 country heheheeeeeeeh!

have an aversion to recognizing this or to thinking like them in order to better protect citizens against evildoers.  thus when evil is in their midst, they don't recognize it, and it runs roughshod over well-intended people.

In real life, all leaders are evil. Its how they became leaders in the first place. Some leaders are simply less evil than the enemies of the people. Like ceaser vs the leader of the barbarians. Both were evil. But ceaser was less threat than the barbarians.

perhaps the jedi had to be destroyed inorder to be reborn again.  they'd become dogmatic and complacent.  it happens to every group of spiritually oriented people if they fail to evolve as a group.

Remember what Padame says? "Maybe we're fighting on the wrong side." Perhaps the Jedi are evil also! Just less evil than the sith. And the Jedi are evil - they did plot on how to take over the senate. "In order for us to challenge the Chanceller, we have to TAKE OVER THE SENATE."

Right or wrong... do the Jedi seek more power? Just like Chanceller said. The Jedi do seek more power. It's just they supposivly use their increased power differently than the sith lordy lords do.

the darkside is equally stupid.

AHAHAA! You admit the goody good Jedi are evil, dumb, stupid!

OK on about the darkside baddies....

  they don't see how their selfishness interferes with their grand schemes and failure to make reliable alliances.

This is only in current Star Wars. In old star wars, the back story from Dark Horse comics has it that the sith lordy lords did form alliances. But for some strange reason good always won hahahhaa.

  this happened in real life during WWII, getting back t that theme.  hitler declared war on the U.S., even though he was not obligated to due to any treaties with japan.  he was hoping japan would return the favor by declaring war on russia.  they never did.

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BAD example! The US was allied with Hitler. US financed, built up Hitler. The elite US families (all members of secret societies) even had a major bank in NYC that publically gave money to Hitler, before WW2, and during WW2! It became too blatant that the prez had to pass a law saying .... its illegal to help the enemy! AhahahahLOL!

Hitler never declared war on the USA. Little known historical fact. Back then majority of Americans were 2nd, 3rd generation German-American. The majority of Americans supported what Hitler and German was doing. This is why the Pearl Harbor setup was needed.

Hitler was manipulated by the USA, and on higher level, by the secret societies, into fighing Britain, America. Had nothing to do with him hoping Japan would declare on USSR. And... it was Hitler himself who declared on USSR.

More reasons why using Hitler and nazis is a BAD example. Did you know Hitler never had blond hair and blue eyes? Yep on the highest levels, the whole propaganda about the nazis was a smokescreen having nothing to do with the master race, arayan race, pure blood bonde hair n blue eyes. In fact, majority of the inner circle didnt have blonde hair or blue eyes LOL! Hitler was also a Jew. He was the son of Baron Rothschild. But this is steering towards subject for whole new thread about secret societies (like Skull n Bones, on and on).

But since this tangent came up, go to Barnes & Noble (or any major bookstore) and read books by David Icke. Start with "The Biggest Secret". It has full info on Hitlers true origins, and Icke's sources. Next "And the Truth Shall Set You Free". Then whatever his other books you fancy. Icke even talks about the relationship of good and evil and how both depend on each other, feed each other.

I just thought of something sick if Lucas really wanted to cash in he could do a prequal to the prqual showing how Darth Siddius came to the dark side.

 

I mean..I don't see it happening Lucas is too tired now but that would probably be good for another couple movies.

 

Will the digression ever end?

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HAHAHA!!!

I was thinking same thing!

Lucas could go on forever making movies and all the zombie fans would make every single one become a hit!!!

How Darth Plagus (the WISE! LOL!) trained Darth Siddious!

Yoda would be the only good guy still alive. (Maybe R2-D2 would still be around too.)

Yep yep I'd admit I'd go see it if Lucasboy made a prequel to the prequels!

It'd be a GOOD marketing selling point! The first time anyone's ever done that type of thing!

"Not a seque! Not a prequel! It's a pre-pre-quel!"

Hell, a new word would have to be INVENTED to describe it LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

not true.  in fact there is nothing in any of the movies that supports this. in fact, the movies support the opposite.  now there are people in real life who think that way....

In the Phant Menace movie all the jedi say it. They cant believe evil exist. Even after the 2 jedi tell em twice that they met 2 sith lords in person. "The sith no longer exist!" the rest of the jedi suckers whine. The sith guys are suppose to be the greatest enemy of the jedi guys. If you had intell that your greatest enemy resurfaced, are u gonna deny it? or go make sure its true and take em out with ALL your power?(again LOL!). S---- , ALL the jedi council should've bum rushed Naboo looking for Maul! LOL! Then probe his mind same way Luke in return of da jedi got his mind probed about his sister. Find out who Maul's mastah iz, and where.

Even in this NEW movie, the jedi say it again. After the snot tells Mace about the sith lordy lord. Mace says he still doesnt trust anakin. The snot just gave ya major intell! Mace was short on backup and still "locks anakin in his room" LOL! Jedi got what they deserved.

Another thing that shows the jedi are stupid. In the Phant Menace movie, after they find snotty Anakin, so what if hes suppose to be the "choosen one"? At that point the sith guys were suppose to be wiped out. There wasnt any threat to the Jedi. Its like building 1,000 nukes AFTER you wiped out all your enemies LOL!.

"He's the choosen one? OK. Leave him with his mommie. If we ever need him in the future we'll know where to find the little snot." =)

99% of everyone who see this movie and all the "fans" won't get the deeeeeeeepest underlyning meaning.

It's all about manipulation.

*spoilers in here so if ya havent seen it yet, dont read anymore!*

- Obi-Wan says his allegiance is to the Senate and Democracy. In other words to the goverment. This is after the goverment army try to kill him! He's still a "sucker".

- Yoda, Mace, n rest of the Jedi get manipulated into doing treason. Into overthrowing the Senate. Remember when they have their last meeting? "To stop the chanceler we must take over the Senate."

Anyone here read that old classic book "Clan of the Cave Bear"? (Movie was ok, but the book will rip your mind apart!!! Starts out superslow, then you can't live without it.) In "Clan of the Cave Bear" it talks about how the girl was observing the animals she hunted.

1. She had a hard time hunting the plant eaters. Rabbits, deer, whatever. She had to invent ways to catch them cuz they're soo fast.

2. The book then talks about when she starts hunting the animal predators!. She had a super hard time hunting animal predators. She instantly noticed the difference of hunting the predators and the prey! Predators were more cunning, more smarter, more quiet, more sneaky, more stronger. Lions, tigers, on and on.

3. After she learned how to hunt BOTH prey and predators, she mastered life!

Back to this movie! The Jedi know only good and reject learning about bad. The Sith know good and bad. (Many examples of good jedi who then become badguys. They know and have good powers and bad powers.). Advantage = Sith n badguys. Cuz they admit good and evil exist. The stupid jedi can't believe evil exists!!!!!!!

A super-master would be someone who studies the jedi and sith and then steers clear of both LOL! Not allowing jedi or sith to become their master, or stay as their master.

The Emperor makes a good speech when he says to be effective, one must study ALL sides. Not be narrowminded like the Jedi. And he's RIGHT. Jedi brought their own downfall. Their fault they died. Their fault they were suckers, and remained suckers.

I still don't get why Yoda ran away like a sissy bitch! Him and the sith lord guy both fall down. Yoda doesn't take advantage of the sith lord hanging by 1 hand! It brings back a point a friend of mine made after we saw "Daredevil". Daredevil refused to kill the Kingpin. My friend said the real reason good doesn't completly wipe out evil is cuz good needs evil. Anyone here ever watch the old Superfriends cartoon? At end of every show Robin would complain the badguys are getting away and they could go after them and catch them! Batman and Superman would STOP Robin! And say "We can catch them another day!"

Same thing Yoda did by not finnishing off the sith lord while the sith lord guy was hanging by 1 hand. Same thing Obi-Wan didnt finnish off the other sith lord.

Bottom line? The deeeeeep point?

Good makes evil. Good refuses to 100% destroy evil cuz Good needs evil. Good feeds evil.

Evil is stronger than good cuz evil doesnt try to follow rules. But this can be greatest weakness of evil. Evil destroys itself becuz of this.

Manipulation works. Everyone is a sucker to a good manipulater.

EVERYONE GO WATCH "SIN CITY"! Best f-----in answer to EVERYTHING is the speech the top badguy gives to Bruce Willis in the hospital. Power isnt being able to kill. TRUE Power is being able to lie to anyone, and getting them to believe you - even when they KNOW your lying to them! Cuz if they stop believing your lies, they'll have to admit they FELL for your lies in the first place hahahaha!

lying = manipulating.

This new star wars movie is about the SAME thing Sin City is about! Sin City just makes it clearer. Manipulation baby!!!!!!!!!

NEW movie just came out called "Layered Cake".

Same people who made "Snatch", and "Lock, Stock, & Smoking Barrels"

Snatch is GOOD MOVIE!!!!

Right now is ultra-violent SIN CITY

It drives home the point of how socially adept psychiopaths :

Socially Adept Socialpath/Psychopath

I would have to say mine is Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

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operate in society. And no matter how much of a good guy you are, you can't get to them. Cuz they designed the system in their favor. There's a lotta good quotes in Sin City. But the best is by the top badguy who never gets caught at the end. He talks about what's true power. True power isn't how much firepower you have, how big you are, your muscles are, your army is, or weapons you have, or killing someone. True power is being able to Lie, and get everyone else to follow your lie - even when deep down everyone else has a feeling your lying but won't challenge you cuz then they'll be admitting they fell for your lie in the first place.

Another good movie xXx. (Then newest one, part 2 with Ice Cube. Not part 1 with Vin Diesel)

I know, I know, its not out yet. But I got to see a special preview of it in the morning today at 10am at a theater. I'm not gonna spoil it. But there's a lotta underlining themes. One of em is how at the end of the movie, the president on purpose rewards the main badguy who tried to kill him!!! Theres a quote in the movie by someone about how history is all bogus or something. Then at the end they show it when the president rewards the badguy on purpose!. Makes ya think and wonder how everyone we know about in history who's a "goodguy"

might've done tons of bad stff, or the "badguys" might've really done tons of good stuff........... all of it unofficially known, but not officially shown.

I have a lotta fav movies, but these 2 are what's on my mind right now.

Strange,

Nothing in any newspapers about it anymore. I mean nothing!

Looks like the link doesn't work anymore?

Do you know any other links for this video?

I want to see if I can save the video and show to others at work to open their minds.

Does anyone really do this and really think its safe?

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It's rumored Bruce Lee did this.

The main benefit one would get (if one is able to successfully do this)

is a stronger mind.

A variation is lifting weights not with the testicals, but with your shaft while it's erect. One would do the same muscle contraction one does when one is trying to hold in the piss. This strengthens the perinium muscle (it's between your legs, underneath the area between the testicals and the anus.) Contracting the muscle for 5-10 seconds, then releasing, and repeat for 30 mins to 1 hour.

My friend says Wing Chun.

Wing Chun is what Bruce Lee's teacher taught him. Lee further built up on it.. You're better off learning Jeet Kune Do, think of it as an updated form of Wing Chun.

I dont know anything about martial arts,

Then I suggest you think about what others posted above. What IS the reason you want to learn martial arts? To be able to defend your family and yourself? To be in shape? To be flexible? To start fights? To simply see what its like?

but I know South Korea and TaoKwonDoe is pretty awesome. Gotta love the south Korean flag.

I've fought S. Koreans who did Tae Kwon Do, and IMHO Tae Kwon Do is garbage. Of course, I'm in shape so that helped. They strike me and nothing happens, because my mind is strong enough that I don't feel the pain. I'm not disabled by any pain, or from getting hurt.

I visit NYC regularly, and sometimes hang out in Asian (Koreatown and Chinatown) neighbourhoods. I don't know if you've been to Asia, or know anyone who has. But in Asia if and whenever they see an American, they try acting super-macho-Asian-guy, especially if it's an American with an Asian woman. In America, they many times act the same way - trying to start fights with Americans just to see how good their martial arts are.

I, and other American friends, have witnessed other Americans (not doing any Martial Arts. Just regular "bare knuckles style" boxing/street fighting) knock the sh--t out of Koreans doing Tae Kwon Do... in 1-5 seconds laying Korean guys on the sidewalk. With the only thing left to do is deciding if they should make the final kill strike, or... walk away.

Sonny Barger, the guy who founded the Hell's Angels, wrote in his book how he, and other Hells Angel's guys would in 1-2 hits crush anyone and everyone who tried doing martial arts on them. Tear their jaw off, dislocate their jaw, cave in their cheek bone, knock in their entire top and bottom front rows of teeth, punch with the intent to kill. Sonny and the rest of the Hells Angels didn't know, or do any Martial Arts. They fought and struck with the intention to disable/kill first before being killed or disabled.

I am thoroughly enjoying this here dvd pictured below and I just purchased the TaoKwonDoe into dvd by the same dude. What do yall think?

 

 

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All I see is a picture of an Asian guy showing off how streched his groin tendons are. You don't need to learn martial arts for that LOL! Track and Field runners, ballerinas, figure skaters, etc.... can do that same pose as him.

As someone else posted already, if all you want is to strengthen your mind, make your mind stronger, meditate, you don't need to learn how to kill. Just learn meditation directly. Pick up any other recreational sport to stay in shape (weightlifting, running, jogging, bicycling, swimming, etc...) And keep reading this site!

IF you want a martial art that's 100% about killing someone else before they kill you, then Krav Maga is where its at. They don't pretend that martial arts isn't about maiming, killing, disableing:

- Krav Maga

Most Lethal Martial Art for modern times

Most Krav Maga also teach how to instantly disable someone who assults you with a firearm also.

After that learn the martial art of Grappling:

- Grappling

Grappling Techniques

With these two arts, you'll be able to deal with modern dangers.

None of this "first assume your Kung Fu Master video game fighting position. Then start the fight."

It's about how to turn a sitiuation around after you first get jumped. After you first get injured. When your outnumbered. Further strengthing your mind to the point until pain never freezes you into indicision. In real life fighting you have 1-10 seconds to kill or be killed. To disable the enemy and put him/her at your mercy... or be disabled. 1-10 seconds to do 1-3 moves which decide the outcome. There are no 30 min long Hollywood style martial arts fights LOL!

I can't recommend any Krav Maga schools, or Grappling schools, since I've never attended one. I've learned just a few moves from friends who're instructors, and high level students in Krav Maga, and Grappling. I've practiced them to near perfection. Been in a few fights, even after I first walk away. I've never been put at anyone else's mercy.

Last thing, I don't know what country you live in, but in America you can get arrested, and be imprisioned - even if you DEFEND yourself! So if you do learn martial arts, also -> look up a good defense lawyer, <- or two or three...and keep their card on you. Memorize their office number.

When/IF you get confronted, try as hard as possible to not let it escalate into having to use martial arts. Try to walk away, run away. Forget about macho ego. You don't want to end up killing some stupid fool, and risk ruining your life - IF you can avoid it.

Never ever say anything. Just act. Walk away, run away, or strike first, or just silently wait for them to try striking first.

If walking away, running away isn't an option, make a mental grid of their body, and the best points to strike them. Then strike with intent to kill. Never, ever, underestimate your opponet. Better to over estimate them, and treat them as if they will kill you if you don't kill them.

You can also decide to let them make the first move, first strike, and take them out that way. It's up to each martial artist which technique in what situation to use - striking first, or letting the enemy strike first.

After you do disable and/or kill your opponet, calmly leave the scene!. Don't say anything. Just go. If weeks later the police somehow find you, simply say you left to get medical treatment, or to see your lawyer, or you were dazed and confused, etc... you're lawyer can help you get over this hurdle.