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Happy Travels!

Seth,

I'm beginning to think you have found one of the keys to the Tao.

For me, to know the tao, it is a journey with myself as a meditator.

One of my keys has been a small amulet of a white tiger on top, two green dragons on the sides all embracing the Tao. It is described in The Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic.

During my stay in China - well over 10 years - I've been finding these amulets - a total of 8 so far - all are hand carved either from, ageless, river rocks or in Jade.

My most recent one is pure milky quartz crystal - carved to perfect detail.

Actually all are carved by a different technique master in perfect detail.

My final discovery was "The Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic" itself.

Take care Seth.

~jK~ is the chinese character for water ever flowing.

Jk. Please read back over the posts you have made in this thread. Everyone has been playing nice, and sharing Information or experiences except you.

All you have done is been really rude to several people and prattled on about nothing, but somehow claiming that through all your abuse you are a Taoist. Its obvious from your every word that although you may like to believe you are a Taoist you really have no idea what it is to actually be one.

Simply living in China my friend is just not enough to qualify you...

If you really need to Argue and accuse me of who knows what you will accuse me of next, before you reply, just re-read your Input to this thread.

 

Blessings.

Seth.

Read my posts Dummy - I have no intention of playing like children - I am going to continue to post these insults untill my membership in this idiotic website is deleted.

JK,

 

I understand that you have a view on what kundalini is and how it works. Good for you, I wish I did.-mod squad-

Mal

Speaking of "Total and Absolute Ignorance" ...

Only an idiot would write a comment on admitting that he didn't understand what he was commenting on after creating many web pages on KAP AKA: the Kundalini Awakening Process...

I Wonder - which is worse - my criticizing while providing definitive grounds for the criticism or Your bitching with no grounds such as illustrated by your post....

Please Note - I requested to have my membership as well as topics and posts deleted WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE IT?

This website is not up to my expectations as it serves only the egomainia of a few that obviously have no concept of Taoist Philosophy or its workings.

I Will continue with this debate untill my request is completed.

As I said before- STICK IT UP YOUR OZZY OZZ

I don't think there is a universal agreement among the sages on this point. At the same time, it's true that I don't listen to all the sages equally. Perhaps I do write some of them off.

Dear Goldie, Please back your 'Belief Oriented' claims with a few reputable outsourcing Urls etc.

Any fool can give one example as perfect as it exists only in religious belief systems - which, being that religions are based on politicizing the justification for WAR, are the most imperfect thought systems of humanity as can be seen through the Catholick church sanctioning the molestation of children.

In China, many ask me of christianity in relation to Buddhism. I reply with: in Christianity they 'believe' that they can murder your babies, even you and ask their all powerfull (albeit unable to be demonstrated to even exist) god to forgive -and he will forgive- and they will be pure again.

In Contrast Buddhism teaches that we all must be responsible for our actions as the only one that can forgive us is ourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgiveness#Buddhism

At the same time, it's true that I don't listen to all the sages equally. Perhaps I do write some of them off.

Nice try but obviously your '''try''' doesn't quite cut it - You Do attempt to write them off.

It only reflects on your attempt to excuse laziness as well as the false point of your unsubstanciated claims.

Lol... JK

Looks like I missed all the fun...

Love those rocks, very beautiful... Someone sending you a message?

Mel

You wouldn't believe the rocks of China... A few Examples.

I just bought a little over 750 HK $ of these little geodes that I've been working into various forms of jewelry. Some with strong colors are really nice.

I've learned to mix 100% clear crystals with colors of the chakra to bump up the energy of the Kundalini flow. It sounds a bit strange but they do have a vibration to them - which is what gives Crystal Radio's their ability to transmit messages: http://1632.org/1632tech/faqs/radio-spark-crystal.html

If I need to leave China one day... I'm planning to open a small shop in a USA vacation area - If I stay - then the crystals are still worth cash - and the value of things are rising consistantly over here. 'till then I'll play with them to see what tricks they can do. (The Chinese girls love them By the way - when China made the one child policy - the parents needed to find a place to keep the girl children and so they sent them to Hong Kong schools... The Female to Male ratio is dominated by the fems.... But - the men have it easy as they are in demand.

Hey gang. I don't have a lot of spare time at the moment but I thought I'd share this video with you all that popped into my inbox the other day out of the blue. The video is loaded with water imagery that I thought was representative of water method meditation. I see the rocks as blocks being dissolved by the ocean.

SFJ,

It seems you like to explore C.G. Jung's images of dream interpretation.

Others have used this method of water imagery - such as:

"Prophetic Method of Nostradamus

Nostradamus used a variety of magical arts and tools to induce ecstatic trances. Visions came to him through flame or water gazing, sometimes both together. he also followed the practice of Branchus, a Delphic priestess of ancient Greece, requiring him to sit, spine erect, on a brass tripod, the legs of which were angled at the same degree as the Egyptian pyramids. The upright position, and possibly the use of nutmeg (a mild hallucinogen when consumed in sufficient quantity -- [deadly when the dose is too large]), stimulated the mind; the angle of the tripod legs was thought to create a bioelectric force which would sharpen psychic powers.

Or the prophet would stand or sit before a tripod that held a brass bowl filled with steaming water and pungent oils. "I emptied my soul, brain and heart of all care and attained a state of tranquillity and stillness of mind which are prerequisites for predicting by means of the brass tripod."

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/method.htm

Just been reading "The Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic - The Taoist Guide to Health, Longevity and Immortality", a translation and commentary by Stuart Alve Olson.

 

This one section really hit me for some reason, and I just thought I'd add it here (mainly so that I can find it and read it online myself!)

 

Anyway, the section is his commentary on verse 6 of the classic which is simply Breathing nourishes youthfulness, and is as follows:

 

 

 

Phew, a lot of typing there. I enjoyed the book as a whole, and may check out other books of his. Anyone read any of them?

Maybe some of you can relate to this - I see it under a different light albeit with the same point.

This one:

Source:

http://home.comcast.net/~taoistresource/0013so.html[/center]

I wouldn't write off the sages so easily.

 

We have many things that lay dormant in our bodies, waiting to be turned on. Raise a baby in a pitch black cave and his eyes will not awaken to object differentiation. Certain genes, depending on lifestyle factors, may never manifest. Are they there? Yes. But they are not 'awake'.

 

The Kundalini is like this, a natural part of the body that may or may not awaken.

The Kundalini, if not used, forms blockages, that -just as the other parts of the body - will decline into atrophy.

Eva Wong, in her book "Cultivating Stillness" points to these points of atrophy as worms in the nervous system.

To the best of my knowledge, Edgar Cayce: http://www.caycegoldengate.com/ec_story1.shtml -was the first westerner to claim that our body functions could be controlled through mentaly concentrating upon various areas...

ALTHOUGH... I am convinced that it is 'I' that tells my legs to move.

Cat Chasing a fish: Early ~jK~ ish (3AM).

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Thanks everyone as well! This is a good thread

[JK stop feeling so threatened by questions, they are far more important than Answers! ]

 

Gold I love your bit on Inter-subjectivity. I have been saying that for years. I personally feel that the Idea of the possibility of Objectivity is just a carry on from the Judeo-Christian One true God world view. It went from one true god owned by priests and rabbi's, to One true Truth owned by Lab coats.

In my old Tradition the supreme state {Shiva] was called the ultimate Subjectivity... lol

I also like the bit on being caught in a paradigm of a single perspective of awakening.

In some {not you Vajra } of Namkai Norbu's students I have really seen that. They get so fixated on awakening being a sudden not gradual thing that they seem to rob themselves of the ability to evolve gradually, and the result is that even the Long term students {many of} just seem like jumpy nervous beginners...

 

I think that's why the Idea of open ended Meta Paradigms is very Important as they can contain many smaller specific paradigms within and give them openings and room for growth...

So thanks for bringing up the Idea of not awakening the Kundalini as a way things can be viewed... [other Ideas are Good JK]

 

 

Thanks Vajra for sharing your experiences as well, and those book recomendations, I am not familiar with either of them - Damn! straight to Amazon...

Its Amazing stuff.

 

Cat, I would love to hear about your experiences as well, I don't get a Female perspective on this much, Rare and Valuable

 

Big Love everyone {you too JK}

Seth.

Seth,

China is a place of stability such as the 4,000 year old Yi Jing as well as 2,000 year old philosophies that remain true today as they will in the future, etc. etc. etc.

Seth, What I am pointing to is that to wander aimlessly as you make guesses as to what to do next is a blind man trying to describe an elephant to other blind people.

Seth, in an effort to put things in perspective - you are working to take time from the lives of others which is one of the definitions of murder.

Seth keep your in your pants - I see you as you are and I am not one of your kind.

Exercises for "growing a lotus"

 

http://zenmontpellier.voila.net/eng/lotus/lotuseng.html

Excelent website ! These limbering up excecises were the same that I've learned when I was 17 and been reintroduced to throughout my life.

#4 is the one I use to release sexual tension and is the one I have found to be most valuable - although- I practice all of these at some time or another.. . Ususlly in the morning.

Read "Opening the Hand of Thought: Foundations of Zen Buddhist Practice "

http://www.amazon.com/Opening-Hand-Thought-Foundations-Buddhist/dp/0861713575

It describes how to make the cushons to ease the pain of a learning the Lotus, in a Japanese Buddhist monestary, as well as a description of what it takes to do 8 hours of meditation each day.

Of course there is a system of exercises that make you limber - That can be learned from any 1st year karate class - that is not in the book.

Personaly, I used the lotus for about 15 years untill I discovered the bus seat where I could meditate and travel at the same time.

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It does not tell much else though.

Robert's system was the first where I got the feeling of energy; doing Zhan Zhuang and using his methods.

 

You will probably get disbelievers because they swear that only Chinese originated qigong works, whereas Robert's system also works even though it is not a qigong system.

 

I haven't tried his OBE methods, maybe I'll give them another shot.

 

I will say whatever works: sometimes multiple sources lead you to the truth.

Another Master says... 'wtm' date='16 September 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1284645621' post='213617']

Robert's system was the first where I got the feeling of energy; doing Zhan Zhuang and using his methods.

You will probably get disbelievers because they swear that only Chinese originated qigong works, whereas Robert's system also works even though it is not a qigong system.

I haven't tried his OBE methods, maybe I'll give them another shot.

I will say whatever works: sometimes multiple sources lead you to the truth.

Sometimes....................................................

wtm = there are established practioners of all that is talked about on this website - practioners that have been quoted for thousands of years. Not these masters following the masters of XXXX masters of XXXXXXX all for $9.99 per month with an auto upgrade on your phone bi-monthly for same price.. If you attend the seminars for $$$$$$$

One rule we had when I began studying in 1960's was that if it was real - it was free - with the obligation that once recieved - pass it on for the same price.

Somewhere the same price became Master XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Obviously I see the need to return to the way of the ancients.

I begin to see no sense in watching this drivel of Master XXX books say XXXXXXX while Master YYYYYYYYYYY 's camp says AAAAAAAAAA

I repeat: I begin to see no sense in watching this XXXXXXXXX drivel

Vipassana coupled with tai chi and qigong, I will try, let's see it's a explosive cocktail.

 

The more and more I practise, the more I seem to believe in karma or whatever you would call it. How come some people get to enlightenment or wild results pretty fast compared to others?

 

The monkey mind also has a certain fault in this I would say, it cannot stop talking all the time...

 

Will enlightenment or wild experiences change anything? Will it really stop rebirth whatever that means anyway? According the Seth Speaks we are here on Earth training for some purposes and the escape is quite difficult.

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There is a difference between feeling subtle vibrations and the physical body literally shaking.

We are very happy that you are aware that there is a difference between feeling subtle vibrations and the physical body literally shaking.

Although it seems that you are implying that others are not of your level of arweness as to even the most 'subtle' of occurances with their own body.

ALL Hail Queen Bee Royal Jelly assigned to awareabilities for All !!!

Here's to hoping that you see the idiocy of my pointedlessnessassumptionednesspass as to we do you. Now to the nextus of who is the we?

Seth, thanks for sharing your experience with us. I understand exactly what you mean when you say "that's what it felt like." But because there are individual differences between people, if awakening is made a standard, this will seriously harm a lot of people. That's what my point is.

Look - there is a series of awakening procedures described in Yoga as well as in the Taoist manuals.

Simply put - give us a few so as to evaluate your credentals - or the lack of.... which is becoming increasingly apparent.

I repeat:

Seth, thanks for sharing your experience with us. I understand exactly what you mean when you say "that's what it felt like." But because there are individual differences between people, if awakening is made a standard, this will seriously harm a lot of people. That's what my point is.

Obviously you have no point other than an effort to create a fear of What Ifs......

I got ill a while ago, lost my practice completely, all that jing down the drain. Didn't train for a month.

 

...then, after an hour of meditating three days ago, after a mind-blowing yadda yadda thingy universe exploding in my head sort of thing it's like someone shoves their hands into my lower abdomen. My ldt shakes, bubbles, rocks about, and then 'ssshopp', it's like someone put a grapefruit in my belly. After I was done I felt like I was standing in an eggshell, swear I didn't have a stray thought for two days.

 

What's everyone's take on this? Instant dantian fill, possible or no?

Just add hot water (or Saki) and stir

There is a difference between feeling subtle vibrations and the physical body literally shaking.

We are very happy that you are aware that there is a difference between feeling subtle vibrations and the physical body literally shaking.

Although it seems that you are implying that others are not of your level of arweness as to even the most 'subtle' of occurances with their own body.

ALL Hail Queen Bee Royal Jelly assigned to awareabilities for All !!!

Here's to hoping that you see the idiocy of my pointedlessnessassumptionednesspass as to we do you. Now to the nextus of who is the we?

Hey - I just found 2 stones that were all covered in black muck that when I scraped it off- one was what looks like a green crystaline garnet - the other is coming out as a double pointed clear crystal Herkimer diamond.

Presently it looks like this one.

http://www.lithosistoria.com/?tag=herkimer-diamond

Vibrating - AKA 'Shaking' during meditation

I would assume that anyone experiencing the awakening phases of the Kundalini has experienced the shaking to some extent or the other.

For want of a better term I began calling them 'Risings' some years ago when I was having them and I still do have them but to a much lesser extent as well as less frequent.

From what I've read, the shaking is the energy released when a correct allignment is found in the kundalini.

To me the shaking is a bit like the release of sexual energy - very pleasurable although it is a little embarasing as the times it comes is a bit awkward ...

Lately I've been shaking while meditating and wondering what the opinions are on it. Some have told me to try and stop the shaking, others have said to let it play it as it's a release of tension or energy. I'm undecided although it does feel natural to just let it play out. Any opinions/experiences are appreciated.

I would assume that anyone experiencing the awakening phases of the Kundalini has experienced the shaking to some extent or the other.

For want of a better term I began calling them 'Risings' some years ago when I was having them and I still do have them but to a much lesser extent as well as less frequent.

From what I've read, the shaking is the energy released when a correct allignment is found in the kundalini.

To me the shaking is a bit like the release of sexual energy - very pleasurable although it is a little embarasing as the times it comes is a bit awkward ...

GIH,

 

your reasoning is correct, if we take into account what we generally know about this phenomena at thist time.

 

Yet, you being the scientific objective mind I'm sure you wouldn't object if I point out a major glitch:

you're thinking binary logic, meanwhile we live in a multi-verse.

trinary logic will provide you with another set of conclusions.

there is also quadrary logic...

quintary logic...

How am I so sure? Everything that is conceivable to the human mind is bound to already exist in some form in this multiverse.

 

Yours

 

L1

L1,

GIH is any but scientific in its approach Scientists are objective - GIH is belief oriented - same as a preacher or politician spreading the lies of War...

http://www.objectivityinscience.org/

These kinds of topics are contrary to the physicalist mindset that is dominating our culture. So it's not easy to find someone genuine to practice with. I've given up on that. I made some attempts, but after not finding what I am looking for, I said screw it. I have a life to live. I can't hit the pause button while I am running around looking for a friend. Besides, I was born alone and I will die alone. I better get used to it. I like and welcome company when it's available, but if the company is not there life moves on.

Sorry dear boy but your credibility has sunken to an all time low of minus 5 Zillion

Found this interesting.

 

http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal

 

 

 

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U call that talkng?

I Said Speak!

When Meeting Total and Absolute Ignorance - it is best to reflect the action - by ignoring the originator .

That's all good as long as you have realized that. Otherwise it is pure speculation and you are dealing in concepts.

 

Why not pay attention to what is here and now, not some future speculation?

That's all.

If it sounds like I am picking on someone, no, nobody in particular. Could be I am just talking to myself