Biff

I have just been doing a bit of reading on this after posting in the David 'Messy Verdesi' thread. Looks interesting and there seems to be some talk of it in different forums. If I am not mistaken, the teacher or linage holder (Elijah Wilson - Thundermind) actually posts here! so it would be great to hear more about this method.

Had anyone ever had any experience with it? I read in one forum that Eli can produce the same kind of electric energy that can be felt just the same as in Ying Yang Gong... Would love to hear from Eli or anyone that has trained in his system.

Then this XSZ is a very slow way to start.

I would go a step further and say they are shit. Haha, that is a little naughty of me. In reality what he is teaching in is so unbelievably basic and is common knowledge in China. It's mostly used in the medical field but there are aspects of it MA. When I say shit... I mean not worth anywhere near what he is charging for them at all. It all depends on what you want. If you want power or 'nei gong prowess' then learning this way remotely by seminar is a waste of time. It is possible to get more progress in two weeks with other methods then six months with either of these.

Haha but can you actually see juice yet?

 

I should hope so. Especially if this the same Thundermind that is also over the Internet saying he is the linage holder of Lei Hua Quan or the Thundermind school. Well according to posts on here he is... In fact I paused there for a second to have a further read, looks very interesting indeed and similar to LSD. I shall start another thread on that.

Scott,

 

Mak Tin Si says that there are Taoist Celestial (Tin) realm masters who are able to assist us in the Yang dimension and that there are lots of entities in the Yin dimension who can mess things up.

 

It's not that Yin beings are necessarily bad but they just don't belong with us in the yang... sort of like having squirrels living in one's house... the energies are incompatible.

 

The way that Tin beings and Yin beings interact with us are very different: Tin dimension beings are incapable of channeling through us, moving our bodies, automatic writing, etc... they would fry us instantly if they tried. The Yin beings can be picked up on night time photographs, can do spontaneous motion and channeling with our bodies and tend to be more powerful in cold, dark, low air pressure conditions and at night especially at 3am. Long term interactions with yin beings often results in health problems, lower vitality, and lowered luck for oneself and one's family.

 

It is best for all three realms to keep a healthy distance from one another.

 

Like I said on the sex with entities thread, even the Dalai Lama had trouble sorting the difference between these two groups but that's what a tradition gets if they channel... Staying away from spontaneous motion and channeling and making sure one's practices work best in full, warm sunlight are a good first step in keeping clean.

 

Your pal,

Yoda

So how much did you pay for the superbroom?

Because he's charging money.

Yes and insane amounts at that. You can buy a 'Super Broom' to clean your house and it sounds like you need it to progress... I wonder how much it is.

http://www.daoismworld.com/forumbb/viewtop...per+broom#p2598

I have been reading his site for a while now and it seems he is onto a real money maker here. He basically advises that all students attend celebrations/events etc to progress and get good luck etc. Yet every event requires $$. From what I can tell, if you have loads of money to spend (like thousands) you can do well with this system. And of course there is the old religious caveat that if it does not work or you get no results the 'it's your own karma' so no liability. I wonder if this guy pays any taxes.

If you read this Yoda I would love to know how much you have paid to progress to where you are. And also with other recent posts in mind... what Deity's/Spirits/Entities have you invited into your life since signing up with the Mak Tin Si? This guy could be the next David V.

It's good to keep in mind the Dalai Lama's entity experience... at first benevolent but later bad news...

 

If the Buddhist high command has a hard time telling the good ones from the bad, what hope do we have?

 

We only train 80 years maximum but these entities train for 100s of years concurrently... even attained teachers with the best intentions can be mislead.

 

Yoda

 

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the wiki on the Buddhist Dorje Shugden controversy:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorje_Shugden_controversy

 

Additionally, there are accounts that it was Dorje Shugden was the entity who actually assisted the Dalai Lama to escape Tibet and there may be entity squabbling going on as it may have been the Dalai Lama's channeler who moved against DS:

 

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:17y2R...lient=firefox-a

 

The point here, I think, is that there is a lot of room for disagreement about entity interactions.

Yes. Even with Ng Yin Do Pai. How do we really know what we are invoking/evoking? (at least at the student level). We don't and usually put our faith in the 'teacher' who tells us that it's the real deity. The DL may have turned his back on Dorje Shugden and may be having people killed over it but he still uses other channels.

BTW the entities do not 'train' as such. You have been fed a bullshit half truth.

David quit Mo-Pai training because it messed up his balls.

BUMP

I know David, I know that he has the power of the fourth level of nei kung, like in the system of JC.

I want to say that he is not a bad person but he has an obsession for immortality, power, money and sex.

So if you are searching a true path think what is really important in your life and with WHO you want to stay in your life.

In my opinion a right way is a way where you can be a very good person, kind and aware of the problems of the real life, not a person that search the power just for his EGO.

 

David is in contact whit real masters of chi, but this not so important because for me and for what I saw this is an incredible wrong and diabolic way.

Well what did you see?

Fortunatelly this is not quite true, otherwise I'd be already dead or at the very least seriously injured many times.

Yes of course. Silly me.

If the question is really sincere, then the answer is find a teacher. Such a generic question cannot be answered in a thread with accuracy. There are many different standing postures. It will take years to perfect any of them.

Standing works by creating a condition in the body where energy is created. For example when toes are slightly in, and knees bent slightly out the meridians in your legs are stretched. A condition is created. Further more, when the spine is floating and erect and the tongue is on the pallet, circuits are created and a condition conducive to building energy is met. If you can stand for 3 + hours a day you will become superhuman in strength. But most people here are jokers... one system to the next lol. If it hasn't worked in a few months then find another school.

Standing deserves much respect and is neglected so much. The only thing that can be said as a lesson in certainty is that it must be approached with long term training in mind like you are filling a barrel with water from an egg cup. Just as important as 'position' is persistence. The key to all energy practice is persistence and consistency (assuming practice is perfect). It's better to do 10 minutes a day then 3 hours one day a week. Depends again on the system.

What sort of response would you like to your post?

Lol. Exactly.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the idea of life itself being a lucid dream?

The 'dream world' is just as real as this one. Stillness will help anyone see this, and their true nature.

Hi! Is anyone famialar with the protective element of neigong? I recently read a old post from the shaolin wahnam forum on neigong and of course mo pai came up.Students of mo pai wrote Kostas got it wrong about the yin force redirecting or converting...it simply protects the developed indidvidual.I'm aware of Dam mo's muscle tendon classic and how it is suppose to bring chi to the limbs to make them stronger.But I'd never heard of chi power being strong enough to absorb bullets or protect from knives.I've recently come across some of the indonesian schools which use tenaga batin/sacred mantras for protection against mishaps.

 

So any info regarding this protective element? Also while we're at it I recently heard a talk show with Bob Lazar WHO WORKED AT AREA 51 supposedly back engineering ufos...I don't know! He did say one curious thing however:That gravity can be used to elevate ships or their is a force in the earth that allows for this.Now when perusing the old forum posts a mo pai student said pak Chang has partial levitation and that yang isn't strong enough to levitate,you need yin.In most schools yin is in the earth but I understand that mo pai has its own definition of yin,anyway I hope no one will reveal it here, but I thought the possible connection was intriguing.So has anyone heard of a protective force that shields developed individuals from harm? And how far does it go? How much damage could a person take? Ya mu, have you heard of this power? How about you Santiago? Aside from tenaga batin...by the way is it [batin]for real?

TD is different because it's using djinn or spirits. For example when they hit from a distance etc it is actually the Khodam that is hitting the person. Same with protection. Just like in some lineages of Taoism 'deities' are invoked/evoked to protect property or a person. Nothing like Mo Pai at all. If you go any look at Mak Tin Si's website you will see he offers this kinds of services. He calls them 'deities' but they are the same thing.

In western witchcraft again the same process is used and for protection a mage might conjure a 'familiar'. In different cultures different identities are used to 'house' these entities but it all the same (in a manner of speaking). Once invoked an entity will require offerings like incense daily or at least some kind of energy source. This is their food. The witch thread is an example of entities creation, it is feeding off her sexual energy. This is dangerous because it has no other purpose then to give her pleasure in exchange for food. There are no boundaries and over time it will grow in power. Entities become more powerful when they are created via a belief system by a group. This is how linage power works. Usually there is a requirement that the group to follow certain habits like not eating beef etc.

The TD that has all this protection build in to it is using spirits just like Mak Tin Si does (you may believe they are the actually deity's - actually that makes it stronger for you). TD magick all comes from Islamic occult though. Powerful stuff. I can really elaborate and explain this stuff in detail but I have not the time right now. If there is interest I will later perhaps.

Biff.

TD is different because it's using djinn or spirits. For example when they hit from a distance etc it is actually the Khodam that is hitting the person. Same with protection. Just like in some lineages of Taoism 'deities' are invoked/evoked to protect property or a person. Nothing like Mo Pai at all. If you go any look at Mak Tin Si's website you will see he offers this kinds of services. He calls them 'deities' but they are the same thing.

 

In western witchcraft again the same process is used and for protection a mage might conjure a 'familiar'. In different cultures different identities are used to 'house' these entities but it all the same (in a manner of speaking). Once invoked an entity will require offerings like incense daily or at least some kind of energy source. This is their food. The witch thread is an example of entities creation, it is feeding off her sexual energy. This is dangerous because it has no other purpose then to give her pleasure in exchange for food. There are no boundaries and over time it will grow in power. Entities become more powerful when they are created via a belief system by a group. This is how linage power works. Usually there is a requirement that the group to follow certain habits like not eating beef etc.

 

The TD that has all this protection build in to it is using spirits just like Mak Tin Si does (you may believe they are the actually deity's - actually that makes it stronger for you). TD magick all comes from Islamic occult though. Powerful stuff. I can really elaborate and explain this stuff in detail but I have not the time right now. If there is interest I will later perhaps.

 

Biff.

PS I should add... this is not all TD BTW.... :-)

What a nice guy Santiago is. This is really great...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/QigongMasters

 

Get ready -- it's gonna be sweet.

Nice :-)

Don't click it.

 

It's some joke website that plays a song and doesn't let you navigate away until you click through it.

Spoil sport. What an Profanity edited out. - moderator. Sometimes it's fun to joke. You do it too remember?

Today I was in class, and subtly practicing...when all of a sudden the girl next to me began to bounce up and down, then suddenly she started to disappear starting at the neck and expanding up and down and out!

 

It only lasted about 20 seconds. Everyone jumped back, and STILL no one knows what exactly that was all about. Needless to say everyone was weirded out the rest of the day...especially the girl.

 

I'm just kind of confused. Why is it that I practice constantly, yet don't achieve that level?

Thread: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showto...old+dragon+body

Keep up the Shuichuan, I mean Kunlun... err.... make your mind up. Steve thinks your a sheep.. lol.

Not to mention that 'Kunlun' itself is a joke as well as the so called 'transmission' that goes along with it. But it's the kind of thing many people on this forum will flock to like sheep ROFL

You have nothing but hearsay to base this on sorcerer! and you have 'zero' first hand experience. You were challenged to meet Max (even though it was a joke to stop your constant bashing) and you bottled it like Yoda. At least you got your girl TM back. Not sure how she will ever get that worm out though... lol.

I came across this site while searching and thought it would be good to share;

[offending link removed]

No rick rolling on TTBs. - moderator

It's totally non profit and aimed at people achieving their highest potential. Apparently this teacher says it's fine to mix with other practices.

I prefer a little flesh in the mix myself. No matter what the energy exchange I would rather a couple of ladies and their sisters.... and I have tired them both. Personally I think fucking entities is not a good idea. To me it's no different then what Bodil Joensen did...

Mind you that's a male perspective.... I would imagine double penny would be a little more comfortable for a woman with a couple of entities. Still I would not go there.

I can show you a couple of energy sealing mudras in private if you want. You could try them out next time and see how the entities react to that :-) might change your mind.

I finally plowed through what was left of this thread since I've been away!

 

For the record, I think that Chris, Dakini, and the other students of K are excellent people with excellent intentions but the practice, what it is, who the entities are that one is interacting with, and what those entities are doing has not been disclosed. The many stories of healings by Max and other K-students are real but it won't turn out well for teacher or students in the long run, in my opinion.

 

It will take many years for TTBs to get to the bottom of this situation, but I am confident that in our lifetimes the truth or falsehood of what I claim will be exposed.

 

Hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

 

Yoda

There is no situation :-) You attracted to yourself exactly what you asked for. There is a nice quote from Star Wars I thought would be fitting...

'Your focus determines your reality'

Qui-Gonn Jinn

My experiences of Max practices have been very positive and have definitely made me a better person. Having said that, my ego games are still business as usual.

When it comes to doubt and negativity, I consider myself proudly self sufficient. After my first seminar I was torn between doing two incompatible systems so that was the source for my mixed energies... didn't want to leave either so there were doubts there. Aside from that, I consider myself extremely porous to the energies of others whether negative or positive. Beyond that, I consider whatever energies I encounter on the outside to simply reflect whatever is going on inside the green zone.

You craved UFO's, Aliens and when you got what you asked for you shit your pants and ran. Then you put the blame on someone else and hid behind another teacher. You still have no idea of what the practice is or does Yoda. Your little sabbatical has obviously not ridden you of your negativity as you find it necessary to bump this post again.

So... how much did it cost to become a stage 2 student of Taosim? In a year or two when you quit, please learn from the mistakes you made here and don't blame your current teacher for milking you of your hard earned $$. The choices you are making are you own, and the effects your decisions have on your family are your responsibility. It's easy to take any practice (like Tummo for example) and mess yourself up if you act like a fool. Spirituality is not a game, and this is not Pokemon Yoda.

The only thing the Kunlun crowd have done terribly wrong is not offer any support to people that need it unless it's in an effort to correct themselves publicly and save face. I have been told by many that there are never posts in answer to questions on the Kunlun forum. And Mantra only ever posts if it's to advertise a book or seminar. These practices need guidance in the beginning. Anyway... good luck in your path. Even if it's directing hatred towards others.

And now for something completely different.

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If you can master that move at the end.... then you will surely open your brown eye. But remember, your mind has to be empty! the spontaneous leads to stillness.

Hi Lauren and welcome....

First you need to detail what you are doing. Probably a good idea to stop for now until you have yourself sorted which should not take long. Finding a teacher is a good idea but first you need to decided what your goal is. Meditation is not just meditation and even if it is, intent is like a fucking rudder. I'm serious.

So....

1) What exactly are you doing?

2) How long and have you done anything before (exp) ?

3) What is your goal?

4) Detail symptoms exactly... are you dizzy, is there heat etc...

One rule with Qigong etc is that if you do not feel good.. then something is not right or may need adjustment. I ask your goal as it is important. Immortality? Health? Martial? Kundalini Rising? etc... With energy rushing to the head, grounding is important. There are many ways. Just sitting and focusing on your Yongquan points at the beginning of the water channel (Kidney 1). Here's a little description and picture to help locate them.

http://trueanduseful.eponym.com/blog/_arch...24/2441267.html

Imagine rooting into the earth just just sit.... still your mind and then just witness... ahhhh nice. Anyway, don't panic worry or have fear. It's hard to tell if it's good or bad without a little more info. You were sensible enough to ask and there are many nice people here who are willing to help.

There is Tenaga Dalamm and then there is some kinda dodgy magic. In some Silat schools they have 'magic' words etc like a mantra I guess to call on 'spirit' power. It must work like linage energy/protection.

Even if you knew the breathing methods you would really need a transmission or blessing to be able for it to work right (and safely). Same with lots of systems in that part of the world. In the Philippines some Arnis schools require lengthy rituals involving animal blood in order to be accepted and for protection too. Empowerment's/amulets etc. It's a big thing.

I like Winpro :-)

Exercise, breathing etc is obvious.... Here is my take...

The Chinese look at this a totally different way. Check out Xiao Yao Wan or Jia Wei Xiao Yao Wan. Look at why/how they work and see the 'problem' from a different angle.

Biff

So I was wondering could one mix mantras like say om made krim shim or something like that?

Also Does anyone know what mantra the russian guy is saying in the video of him melting cups? I know not to try this but i asm curious. Mabye if someone could also tell me some stuff about the mantra like where is comes from and how it is able to do that stuff?

Thanks

If you have to ask then don't bother... seriously I'm not being rude but it does sound that way. The Russian guy is not doing anything. Or a better way to put it is, borrowed power. Don't mess with beings is my advice, no need.

Drew seems to be a great and honest person. Little bit of Qigong deviance? lol. Just kidding. My kind of person for sure regardless. While so many people eat burgers and watch TV all day there are others like us that look for more then the mundane.

Can't wait to read the interview...

SereneBlue...just noticed your picture. You are beautiful.

 

p.s. You're pretty too Mal but SereneBlue is lovely...really really lovely.

 

Errr I second that!! holy smokes you are gorgeous SB! :-)....