Adam West

Is Lama Surya's Energy Yoga a real system or is it something he created?

 

I watched it a few times and kinda think its pretty neat and i can see how it allows one to let go and release negative energy in the body and open up new fresh energy.

 

Does anyone have any other history on his Tibetan Energy Yoga as i would like to learn more about it?

 

regards

WYG

 

As I understand it, the system is a traditional Tibetan one; entirely authentic, passed down in a lineage from master to student. If you feel drawn to it, perhaps you should consider studying Tibetan Buddhism, particularly Dzogchen from an authentic sangha? You can't go wrong with Dzogchen, in my view.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Very cool! Thanks for the feedback. I've sent him an email with regard to his alchemy book which is not yet available, to find out when it will be and ask him some other general questions. I hope he replies. Definitely give us a review of his other books when you get them.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hey Oolong,

 

Thanks for the reply! Yep, I've Luk's book, its great, one of the best out there. Yet, I think it is only one piece in the puzzle of authentic alchemal teachings. It is clear to me, we can completely bypass conscious, volitional energetic work and instead work directly with awareness. Yet, it may be useful to compliment the two. However, it is probably just the western compulsion to make simple things complex!

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hi all,

 

I just came across this fellow - he might be a viable alternative source to an authentic living Taoist linage - several if his biography is to be believed. Any one heard of him before and know anything about him and the quality of what he teaches? His site seems interesting, yet a little too commercial for me.

 

http://www.daoistmagic.com/info.php?i=2128

 

I'm not interested in Taoist ritual practices, but I would take a closer look at his books on Taoist internal alchemy.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

I only got 1 reply to this on the taoist levitation thread, so figured I would post it on its own thread. What do you guys think?

 

Very interesting, thanks for posting! To me, the footage is entirely inconclusive. It is unclear, following simply from what is seen, whether it is a fake or not. I suspect there are some shamans in Africa who can levitate, yet most cannot. The shear numbers who cannot, makes it probable that this is a fake. Yet, it may just be legit, as there is some small chance this is one of the guys who can; and inference to the best explanation is a rather weak argument when dealing with uncommon phenomenon.

 

In any case, it is always fun and interesting to investigate these examples. Thanks for posting!

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hi I posted here some time ago looking fr a taoist monastery in an english speaking place preferably the united states, I was wondering Does anyone know of any? Thanks for your help.

 

Hey Mewtwo,

 

Sorry mate, I got nothin! It's a great question though, I'd be interested in its answer too.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

in the words of jiddu krishnamurti

 

That is true, but it is more than that. Meditation is that which leads to the conscious, volitional realisation of the natural state, one's true nature or being. It is much more than just being mindful, yet that is basically it. Some people can access the fundamental essence of awareness, being and reality, most cannot. Being mindful of one's delusions and limitations, is just that, mindfulness. Mindfulness can and may lead to realisation, often however, without a more structured practice, it does not lead anywhere much at all - just circles within circles habitual cognition.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

I used compression breathing in both my bones and abdomen. I detail some of it here- http://www.thetaobums.com/My-100-Days-SPOI...cret-t4225.html

 

It worked for me.

 

Hi Darin,

 

Compressed breathing, as you understand it, how do you do it exactly? Also, could you detail the version of the breathing up the spine you mentioned?

 

I have Luk's Taoist Yoga, so if you are referring to his methods, just direct me to chapters or page numbers and I will check it out.

 

Thanks mate!

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

The Magus of Java is the book name you can find it on Amazon!

 

 

Oh right.. yep.. I know it. Thanks!

 

In kind regaerds,

 

Adam.

Thanks for the reply, i havent done the retention but in a way there is compression skills in my practice. I was reading a book that talked about it a student of john chang from indonesia!

 

Hey there,

 

Which book? I would be interested in hearing more about his experiences!

 

Many thanks!

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hi Lin and all,

 

Thanks a lot, Lin, for your reply and all that generous sharing! I tend to find a deep intuitive harmony with the spirit of what have said and your other posts I have encountered. I enjoyed it very much and will keep an eye out for more in the furture.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hey Lin,

 

I have always found you to be very knowledgeable and insightful. You seem to impecibly embody the virtue of which you speak. And since you mentioned "proper meditation" in the Qinway Qigong thread as a method to Buddhahood, I wonder if you would be so kind as to define and describe proper meditation for us? What exactly does proper meditation consist of, and how does it assist in revealing our natural or original state?

 

As a side note, would you supply some biographical data on yourself: what tradition you practice in, teach in, how you came to be in that tradition and previous traditions and what were the principal influences that lead you to your present position and condition on the path?

 

Many thanks my friend!

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hi Little,

 

I have studied Indian traditions for a number of years, but I have not studied Gitananda's as of yet. The reason being is it is just SO comprehensive and detailed - a full time job, in the best and most pleasurably consuming sense. I don't have the time for it right now. After completing "Step by Step", one can go study full time at the ashram for six months and there are even more advanced "mouth to ear" traditional teachings also. I am aware of their advanced stuff, yet some of the details allude me, and I am in the process of attempting to track it down. It is very much a social net work thing - students, adepts and masters passing it on - you know how the traditional model goes. The other alternative is this:

 

YOGA SAMYAMA

 

A detailed course in the study of Chakras, Mandalas, Bindus, Nadis and the higher aspects of the Raja Yoga Sadhana written by Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri. Designed primarily for senior Yoga Sadhakas, it presents a beautiful system of mind training and spiritual sensitization through Raja Yoga practices. Complete with many photographs, line drawings, charts and esoteric information on structure of the mind as conceived in Hinduism and Classical Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga. Yoga Samyama can also be studied as a Correspondence Course, chapter by chapter, working on the various concentration practices and reporting the experiences back to the Guide. This study is recommended only for those who have under taken in-residence training at ICYER or who have completed the Yoga: Step By Step Correspondence Course. Includes an one-year free subscription to Yoga Life.

 

This is the advanced stuff of the Tantric tradition, as you can see it assumes a foundation from the Step By Step course. It deals with more the inner teachings that I am personally interested in - the meditative stuff that lead to Samadhi - Cosmic Consciousness - or enlightenment. The other course is more broad based and a wholistic education in yogic science. But I am really not interested in asanas, of which the Step By Step program is a big part.

 

Additionally, one might consider this:

 

SIDDHIS AND RIDDHIS

 

By Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda. This is the second edition of Swamiji’s exhaustive study of the phenomenon of Siddhis and Riddhis, psychic accomplishments and psychic prosperities. The author presents a learned exposition of the scope, dangers, and techniques leading to Siddhis and Riddhis as well as the physiological, psychological and spiritual back ground. A listing of the 108 commonly accepted Siddhis, and their description is a highlight. A practical Yoga Sadhana routine to obtain Siddhis is given.

 

Siddis come from working with psychic states of consciousness and energy work, they are steps along the path to Cosmic Consciousness. Thus, walking the path to Self-Realisation in the yogic tradition results in many cases in siddhis. This book teaches Gitananda's tradition's theories and practices for siddhis as signs of advanced progress along the path of return.

 

Yogic Samyama is really a course in book form, detailing his tradition's higher teachings, of which the later - Siddhis and Riddhis are a part, so you could skip the foundation course, if you were so inclined, having previous training in other traditions, and go straight there with these two books; or get the two books first, and see what you think of the tradition, then move on to a more comprehensive training in the system through the course. I recommend the later! The Step By Step course is quite expensive at 650 EURO, but it is the best of the best in Indian Yoga, so it is worth its weight in gold - literally. I just don't have time for it now, and I my practice is inclined towards formless meditation, so I am not too interested in hundreds of advanced practices that I won't actually use. I am however interested in one particular set of practices - the most advanced in the tradition - the six Bangali Laya Yoga Kriyas. They are Indian sexual alchemy, for activating the kundalini and achieving cosmic consciousness - they are fire practices in Taoist language, and work well to complement the water practices of formless meditation of Zen and Dzogchen of which I work with. I don't know them, as they are closely guarded - but I have been initiated into other versions from other traditions. Yet, Gitananda's tradition is of such a high standard, I have been seeking them out for some time now, without too much success. In any case, I think I may have moved beyond them with my formless practice, as that fully activates the kundalini and opens to pure-awareness, yet, I still would like to check them out for myself.

 

There are individual practices for each of the pranas. Yogani's stuff is great, and will take you all the way, but I don't think it is quite on the same level as Gitananda’s - it is perhaps like doing a one year diploma as compared to a four year degree - the level of sophistication is quite different. In my opinion, it appears to me Gitananda's is the actual living Yogic tradition itself, of which Yogani's stuff is but a synthesis stepped down an order of magnitude or two.

 

Here’s something else for you to check out!

 

International Yoga Teachers Training Course

International Center For Yoga Education and Research

 

FINAL THESIS

 

 

RISHICULTURE ASHTANGA (GITANANDA) YOGA

A COMPLETE SYSTEM OF YOGA

 

 

 

 

 

 

In The Service Of Yoga

By The Grace of My Guru

 

 

With Respect And Obeisance For The Paramparai Of

Yogashiromani Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

 

Submitted In Partial Fulfillment For The Course Requirements

Of The 35th Annual International Yoga Teacher Training Certification

 

 

Prepared For

Yogacharini Yogamani Puduvai Kalaimamani Smt. Meenakshi Devi Bhavanani

and

Yogacharya Dr. Ananda Balayogi Bhavanani

 

 

By

Yogacharya Gowrishankarananda

(Daniel Ross)

 

 

“Salutations To My Self, Who Is Infinite.

Salutations To You, The Auspicious Being.

Salutations To God of Gods, To The Supreme Self.”

 

- Sage Valmiki -Yoga Vasishta 5:4:78

 

TABLE OF CONTENTS

 

Gitananda Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga:

A Complete System of Yoga

 

 

 

I. Introduction………………………………….………Page 4.

II. Paramparai……………………….………….………Page 5.

III. Dakshina Marga Tantra……………………. ……..Page 6.

IV. Philosophical Aspects……...…….………………….Page 6.

V. A Complete System Of Yoga………………….……Page 9.

VI. Yoga Chikitsa………………………………………..Page 20.

VII. Kaya Kalpa……………………………………….….Page 21.

VIII. Summary……………………………………………..Page 22.

 

 

I. Introduction:

 

Yoga is arguably more misunderstood today than at any time in history. While the Yoga of the past was shrouded in mystery it was understood to be a mystical path to God realization reserved only for the sincere and privileged few. Aspirants were rare beyond numbers and oftentimes had to prove their worthiness by undergoing extreme austerities. Today in Kali Yuga aspirants have reduced themselves to become mere participants following hungry “Gurus” who promise quick fixes for better buns, flat tummies, and magic sex. The meaning of sincerity has become twisted into how much money one can pay, while “authentic” teachings are marketed for the masses who believe themselves to be among the privileged few. Yoga classes in our modern, civilized world have been diluted and stripped of sacred ritual in an effort to make more palpable to those who are not interested in God realization.

As one will see through this study of one of the few remaining authentic paramparai (lineages) Yoga is a science that becomes a divine art when its elements feed unto each other. Upon understanding this mystic flow from our own unconsciousness to consciousness we see how the process (divine art) was really consciousness to unconsciousness then returning again to consciousness. Yoga practices never exist for or by themselves, so as one moves higher and higher they see more similarities in practices than differences…such is the profound nature of the microcosm of Yogic practices into the macrocosm of Yogic experience. A complete system of Yoga promises union so that the Yogi too ceases to exist for or by themselves, all one as opposed to alone.

Contrary to popular belief Yoga is not a system of exercise. While the various

Schools of Yoga incorporate systems of exercise they are not about the exercises. Yes, the exercises (practices) play a vital part in the pursuit of Yoga but they are not the goal. Many people look to Yoga as a means to sleep better, loose weight or as a cure to any number of ailments, while these goals are practical and are among the many benefits/side effects of Yoga our individual/universal needs will be better served if we study within the framework of an authentic and complete system of Yoga. If we choose to study from a system of Yoga that is about the exercises we will never realize Yoga’s true benefits. Most of today’s “Yoga” (exercise) schools are very disconnected from the true meaning of Yoga. The teachers have developed their own hybrid form of yoga, which demonstrates a lack of understanding from the original lineages fundamentals. There exists a psychic power behind original teachings that these hybrid schools are lacking in. This being said there is nothing to fear as the true teachings and practices along with their subtle meanings cannot be understood by the insincere student. Gitananda Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga is a complete and authentic Yoga path with an unbroken lineage of Gurus and Yogacharyas (Guides) that date back nearly 7000 years to the original Sapta (seven) Rishis.

 

 

 

 

II. Paramparai:

 

“A Guru Kula is a place where “learning is by Absorption”

rather than by “Superimposition” of mundane knowledge.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

A Paramparai is a succession of spiritual masters and their teachings. The essence of Parampara is to surrender to the chain of predecessors. To those who follow in the footsteps of the Parampara everything comes of its own by the grace of the Guru (God). Parampara then is not just the lineage it is also the power of the teachings of that lineage.

There are very few authentic Yoga lineages still remaining in existence today. Some 7000 years ago the original Sapta Rishis (seers) delved beyond the human mind and merged with the Divine to discover the true nature of reality. One of the original Seven (Sapta) Rishis “Brighu Rishi” was a great exponent of the science of Yoga as a means to attaining God Realization. The Paramparai of Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri and Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga as espoused by Swamiji comes directly from Brighu Rishi. As a child Swamiji was well schooled in the principles, knowledge, and disciplines of the mystic sciences of Yantra, Tantra, and Yoga. Raised in the traditional Indian Guru Kula system where the Chela (student) lives with the Guru and receives the teachings of the paramparai he was nurtured by his Master Swami Kanakananda Brighu Maharaj. At the age of 54 Swamiji became the Mahant (Spiritual successor and Head) of the Paramparai initiating students and transferring the timeless teachings of the Brighu Rishi lineage. The Gitananda Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga that is taught today is a very unique and special paramparai as it carries the full power of two authentic lineages, the North Indian Bengali Tantric lineage as handed down from Brighu Rishi, and the South Indian Saiva lineage as handed down from Sage Agastya Rishi.

 

North Indian Brighu Tantric lineage South Indian Saiva Siddhanta lineage

BHIGU RISHI PARAMPARAI AGASTHYA RISHI PARAMPARAI

Sri Brighu Rishi Sri Kambaliswamigal

Sri Purnananda Brighu Sri Ambalavana Swamigal

Sri Vivevishananda Brighu Sri Manikka Swamigal

Sri Kanakananda Brighu Sri Shanmuga Swamigal

Sri Gitananda Brighu (Giri) Sri Velu Swamigal

Sri Subramaniya Swamigal

Sri Shankara Giri Swamigal

Sri Gitananda Giri Swamigal

 

 

Yogacharya Dr Ananda Bhavanani Yogacharya Dr Ananda Balayogi Giri

 

 

 

 

 

III. Dakshina Marga Tantra:

 

Rishiculture Yoga is of the Dakshina Marga Tantric system of Yoga and all of its practices are based on its core fundamental principles of sublimating energy. Dakshina refers to the right hand path of Tantra and is therefore not interested in the occult practices of the Vama Marga Tantrics. Tantra refers to the cultivation and control of energy and the use of all the forces within the 5 bodies of man as well as the forces of nature. Dakshina Marga Tantrics use these energies for evolutionary purposes while the Vama Marga Tantrics use these energies for degenerative purposes of power control. While both systems deal with the cultivation and control of energy The Dakshina Marga System and its Guru’s concern themselves with the Karma, Dharma, and overall best interests of the Chela.

 

IV. Philosophical Aspects:

 

 

To attempt to elucidate with words on the infini-faceted interconnected nature of Yoga is and always has been the greatest feat never to be accomplished. The highest goal and the greatest feat for any human to achieve is to have realized ones “Self”. This achievement although impossible for man alone, is possible with the help of the Divine. Within the Brighu Yoga tradition many great Saints have realized this goal and can attest to the authenticity of the path. There are many techniques and practices offered within the Rishiculture system and all are presented within a solid philosophical framework. While there are many concepts that are important the following nine concepts are “Core” to the Teachings of Swamiji.

 

1. Inner Guru

 

“My Salutations To My “Self”

Who is one with all existence,

Who is bereft of change,

The object of which is innermost consciousness”.

- Sage Valmiki - Yoga Vasishta 5:4:70

 

The most key fundamental and important core teachings of Swamiji is to bring the Sadhak in tune with their inner Guru. Any genuine Guru will focus on the “Self” (Inner Guru) realization of the Chela. There are many Gurus who are dependant upon the Chela for “power” this is a sure sign of an unrealized Guru. It is only through constant questioning, deep introspection and stilling of the mind and its desires and aversions can we truly “know” ourselves. This “Knowing” is the what Swamiji is all about, he did not advocate a style of teaching that asked the Chela to simply believe he pushed his students to go further.

 

 

 

“Believe Nothing. Know Everything.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

Every student who studied with Swamiji describes being able to do things that where beyond them, things they could not possibly have done while maintaining their puny individual identities. Swamiji was a “no option” Guru as was his Guru before him and the string of Gurus before him. Bringing oneself in tune with the Inner Guru or our true Guru is the primary focus of Rishiculture Yoga, all else is to attain that end.

 

“Health and happiness are your birthright. Claim them.

Spiritual realization is your goal. Pursue it!”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

 

2. Skill in Action -

 

Many so called “spiritual” people are societal dropouts who are simply trying to escape the world. Swamiji taught us that a spiritual person is not the one who escapes to the Himalayas to die in a cave but rather he gave us the tools to live a spiritual life in the world and be in service to others. As you will find out in the upcoming sections everything is inter-related, the Bhagavad Gita expounds the importance of living skillfully and is directly related to living our Dharma... Let Go, Let God.

 

3. Lift the Self by the Self

 

No one will save us and the sooner we take responsibility for our lives and our actions and reactions the faster we will climb the evolutionary ladder. Swamiji often stated that we need to lift the self by the self. We have to pick our selves up by our own bootstraps so to speak and put one foot in front of the other always moving forward.

 

4. Awareness and Consciousness

 

“Yoga Is A Scientific System Of Conscious Evolution.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga could be called the Yoga of awareness for every single practice is to be performed with awareness ever single time it is done. This is possibly the single most profound concept within the whole system. This awareness must also be taken into our lives to have moment-to-moment present minded consciousness with every thing we are doing in any given moment.

 

 

 

5. Polarity

 

Among the most key elements to The Rishiculture system is the concept of polarity in fact all aspects are pervaded with awareness of polarity and re-balancing the bodies energies. Optimum physical, mental, psychic, and spiritual balance requires that we be balanced. Most people today are completely out of balance in fact it has reached epidemic proportions in every culture. Yoga cannot be achieved without nurturing and maintaining polarity. Through the Kriyas, Pranayamas, Asanas, Mudras and Mantras we can maximize the balanced flow of the bodies energy systems.

 

6. Concentration / Relaxation

 

There exists in the universe a fundamental law that cannot be escaped and that is of involution and evolution, expansion and contraction, creation and destruction, the universe moves in cycles. We too need to attune our selves to these cycles if we are to attain the highest levels of truth, Satchidananada. Within every class there is a natural process of concentration and contraction to relaxation and expansion. This philosophy allows us to move into our lives in a more balanced and harmonius way.

 

 

7. Karma And Dharma

 

“Dharma is the highest expression of cosmic truth; it is to know the reason for personal existence and to unfold consciously through experience back to the cosmic state”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

 

Swamiji taught that we must do the right thing at the right time in the right way for this is the way of Dharma. If we are to live a life of purpose we must pursue our Dharma and only through fulfilling our Dharma can we attain spiritual liberation. All the practices and teachings are limited in power and the power derived is directly proportional to the level of Karmic and Dharmic evolution that we have attained and adhered to. The way we live, the work we do and how we do it is vital to the teachings of Swamiji. In this day and age of spiritual fantasy and escapism many people have become societal dropouts and in reality spiritual failures. Swamiji stated “the physical purpose of man is work, and the highest form of work is Nishkama Karma or selfless service” sometimes referred to as Seva. Spirituality is in reality very practical and requires that we live fully, contributing to society and fulfilling our Swadharma.

 

 

 

 

8. Way Of Life

 

“Yoga Is A Way Of Life.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

Yoga is a way of life, it cannot be practiced for one hour in the morning 3 times a week for Yoga is an experience of life that requires our full participation. Swamiji recommended a “Wholistic” approach to yoga that pervaded ones whole lifestyle. The following recommendations were taught to help unify the life experience.

1. Right Mental Attitude.

2. Right Morals and Right Ethics

3. Right Diet

4. Right Exercise

5. Right breathing

6. Inner and Outer cleanliness

7. Serenity

8. Maturity and Growth Goals

9. Attainment of a Spiritual Ideal

 

9. Service

 

The most practical of Swamijis teachings is to take our spirituality into life through our work and attitude to others. To do our work with an attitude of service or Seva (Selfless Service) is one of the most yogically advanced and spiritual practices anyone can do.

 

V. A Complete System of Yoga:

 

Gitananda Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga is described as being a “complete System of Yoga” due to it integrating all aspects of Yoga. The following 9 systems are covered as the “Core” systems that we Adhere to.

 

1. Hatha Yoga:

 

YOGASH CHITTA VRITTI NIRODHAH

“Yoga is the cessation of the whirlpools of the mind.”

Sage Maharishi Patanjali - Yoga Sutras 1:2

 

Many people equate Hatha Yoga and Ashtanga Yoga as a physical system of exercise; upon a deeper understanding we can see that it is so much more. Hatha Yoga refers to the balancing of energies, Ha meaning Sun and Tha meaning Moon, Hatha the bringing together of both energies. Simply put Yoga is the stilling of the whirlpools of the mind as stated by Maharishi Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras. The techniques and practices are tools to achieve that end. Swamiji taught the Ashtanga Yoga of Patanjali as a no option Yoga meaning that all aspects must be followed to attain Yoga.

 

“We cannot solve our problems. But the practice of Yoga techniques will help us

“dis-solve” the problems. We never “correct” our flaws, rather we “outgrow” them.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

Ashtanga Yoga is a vital part of the Rishiculture system and is inculcated at every level. Included below are the various limbs of Ashtanga Yoga and their branches.

 

I)Yamas

“Virtue is its own reward”.

Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

1) Ahimsa

2) Satya

3) Asteya

4) Brahmacharya

5) Aparigraha

 

ii) Niyamas

 

“Yama and Niyama is simply enlarging the space between stimulus and response”

- Yogacharini Yogamani Smt. Meenakshi Devi Bhavanani

 

1) Saucha

2) Santosha

3) Tapas

4) Swadyaya

5) Ishwara Pranidhana

iii) Asana

 

“There can be no Yoga when the mind wanders, when there is no awareness or consciousness. The most perfect Asana becomes nothing more than a gymnastic, if the consciousness and awareness are not fully present in the bodies postures.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

Gitananda Rishiculture Yoga utilizes Asanas in a very concise and practical manner, there are;

1. 108 Total Groups

2. 9 Core Groups

ii) Sama Stithi

iii) Hathenas

iv) Loma Viloma

v) Pada Asanas

vi) Digestive

vii) Oli Group

viii) Shirsha

ix) Twists

x) Pelvic Openers

 

3. 9 Foundational Asanas

a. Padmasana

b. Sarvangasana

c. Shirshasana

d. Bhujangasana

e. Shalabhasana

f. Dhanurasana

g. Halasana

h. Paschittmottanasana

i. Navasana

 

4. 18 Basic Asanas

a. Vajrasana

b. Dharmikasana

c. Padmasana

d. Sarvangasana

e. Supta Vajrasana

f. Siddhasana

g. Shirshasana

h. Bhujangasana

i. Shalabhasana

j. Dhanurasana

k. Matsyasana

l. Trikonasana

m. Halasana

n. Paschittmottanasana

o. Matsendrasana

p. Shavasana

q. Navasana

r. Chakrasana

 

5. 9 Foundational Asanas

a. Padmasana

b. Sarvangasana

c. Shirshasana

d. Bhujangasana

e. Shalabhasana

f. Dhanurasana

g. Halasana

h. Paschittmottanasana

i. Navasana

 

6. 384 Total Asanas

 

 

 

 

iv) Pranayama

 

“Pranayama (breath control) is the key to life – that is, a Yogic life.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

In the Rishiculture system of Yoga, Pranayama is taken to mean, “control of Prana”. Swamiji taught that in the beginning, rough stages of practice, it involves learning to move the breath according to “space, duration or time, and enumeration” By “space” Swamiji taught using all the various spaces within the lungs, as well as the outer and inner space. By “Time”, he meant the different rations and numbers used to guide and measure the inhalation, exhalation, and the held in and held out. By “Number” Swamiji taught us the effectiveness of various Garshanas, or rounds. Swamiji facilitated the awareness and control of the complete breathing apparatus through a set of practices known as The “Hathenas” which form the “A and B and C” of all Rishiculture Pranayama and in essence are “Vital” and inseparable to the complete system of Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga.

 

“watch the breath until you become the breath”

Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

1) 3 Classifications Of Pranayama

Within the framework of Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga there are three distinct classifications of Pranayamas.

1. The Adhamas are those, which are used for cleansing and purification of the physical body, the nerves, organs and also as a means to build health, skill endurance and other necessary qualities in Sadhana. They are the basic foundation for all Pranayama practice as taught in the Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga System.

2. The Madhyamas are those, which were aids in meditation and concentration, that is, those that were directly beneficial to mind control. They are further used as an introspective means to gain sensory withdrawal.

3. The Uttanas are those used in Kundalini arousal and Shakti awareness and control. The actual Practices taught that are used to arouse Kundalini are not revealed in a casual manner and are reserved only for the most pure, dedicated and serious seeker.

 

Pranayama is generally divided into Prana Yama, the restraint, or Yama of breathe on a held in or held out breath and Prana Ayama, the conscious control over the entire breathing mechanism and the distribution of Prana throughout the various physical, emotional, mental, and psychical systems of the being.

 

2) 12 Sub-Divisions

Our Rishis further sub-divided Prana into 12 divisions;

2 – Para Pranas

5 – Major Pranas

5 – Minor Pranas

Each of these sub-divisions of Prana relate to all aspects of our life and control over these leads to mastery over our lives.

 

3) 120 Pranayamas

Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga is considered one of the most advanced if not the most advanced Paramparai in the world for its study and practice of Pranayama.

 

v) Pratyahara

 

The Yogi does not believe that the senses must be dulled, but rather, sharpened so as to be the best of all senses, and then brought under control of that part of the mind, which properly maintains that control. In this paramparai we believe that it is not necessary as kill the senses or slay the mind, rather it is necessary to bring them under our control.

 

vi) Dharana

 

“If there are any distractions, either outer or inner,

then concentration cannot be undertaken”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

There are many types of concentration practices and exercises and in fact the Gitananda system of Yoga is a highly internalized school where all of the practices can be performed as an act of Dharana. In the higher Raja Yoga concentration is of a particular type called Adhyatmika Dharana or Atman Dharana where concentration is on the indwelling Self. Specific forms of Adhyatmika Dharana are on the Chakra centers of the higher and lower bodies, Mandala Dharana, Bija Dharana that is also a form of Mantra Dharana. External objects of concentration such as Trataka or the various drishti Dharanas are very beneficial but not to be confused with the Raja Yoga Dharanas. Indeed one could easily say that every Yogic practice and technique requires an element of Dharana.

 

vii) Dhyana

Dhyana is in today’s world of confused spiritual seekers a very mis-understood concept. The state of meditation is the actual union with the divine where there ceases to exist any separation. Many people state that they are meditating which is in actuality an impossibility for in meditation there is no one left to say I am meditating. Dhyana is the state that is closely linked to Samadhi and occurs from many years of Sadhana and a unique combination of Karmic circumstances.

 

viii) Samadhi

“ …When the mind burns like a lamp in a windless place”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

Samadhi or cosmic consciousness is the highest state of consciousness that man can attain to. It is as though mind has been transcended and mental state of the usual type no longer exist. Samadhi is that “Self” same state of ecstatic Union that Yoga strives for and transcends all of existence. In the Yoga Sutras Maharishi Patanjali two stages of Samadhi the first being Sabija (with Seed) Samadhi and the second as Nirbija (Seedless).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Jnana Yoga:

 

 

Right Knowledge is based on:

1. Direct Cognition

2. Inference

3. Testimony from Authority

Sage Patanjali - Yoga Sutras 1:7

 

By definition Jnana Yoga is the Yoga of knowledge or more precisely wisdom. In Jnana Yoga we use the power of the mind to transcend the mind. Jnana Yoga is ideally suited for people with strong intellects and who seek reasons for what happens. In Jnana Yoga we wish to know the secrets of the universe with our minds. To quote Kahlil Gibran the famous Lebanese poet we seek to know in words our hearts desire”. Jnana Yogis seek God with the faculty of the mind. Within the Rishiculture Yoga tradition we use the mind to study the scriptures and to gain correct knowledge from valid sources such as the Rishis, and of course Swamiji. With the knowledge we gain we use the mind to transcend the mind.

 

 

3. Gita Yoga

 

Thy concern is with Action alone, never with results.

Let not the fruit of action be thy motive,

nor let thy attachment be for inaction.

Krishna - Bhagavad Gita 2:47

 

“Each chapter of the Bhagavad Gita is a Yoga, teaching some particular aspect of divine play in the world of Maya or phenomenal existence. Krishna (the Superconscious Mind) tells Arjuna that the message he brings to him is one of imperishable Yoga, the way to unified existence that has been taught from the earliest times. The teachings exalt Dharma, doing ones duty and fulfilling obligations through Karma or right actions.

The Gita teaches that this is the Panacea for moral and ethical decay.

Living the teachings of the Gita overcomes unrighteousness and evil in our nature by re-establishing righteousness or right-use-ness”.

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

“That which can not be followed in day to day living should not rightly be called religion. Life is to be practical, simple, uncluttered, efficient, rewarding and enlightening. Anything in ones life that tends to confuse, distort or derange, should be shunned as ones mental and mortal enemy. These are the real teachings of the Gita.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

“The Gita is a medical textbook on a very high level, where in eighteen chapters each one containing a specific Yoga, the eighteen human senses are dealt with. “

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

Below are listed the 18 chapters of the Bhagavad Gita, each chapter is a Yoga unto itself and are taught as a vital inseparable component of Rishiculture Yoga.

 

1. The Yoga of the despondency of Arjuna

2. The Yoga Of Knowledge

3. The Yoga of Action

4. The Yoga of division of wisdom

5. The Yoga of Renunciation of action

6. The Yoga of Meditation

7. The Yoga of Wisdom and realization

8. The Yoga of the imperishable Brahman

9. The Yoga of the Kingly science and the Kingly secret

10. The Yoga of divine Glories

11. The Yoga of the vision of the divine form

12. The Yoga of devotion

13. The Yoga of the distinction between the field and the knower of the field

14. The Yoga of the three Gunas

15. The Yoga of the supreme spirit

16. The Yoga of the division between the divine and the demonical

17. The Yoga of the division of the three fold faith

18. The Yoga of liberation by renunciation

 

Do not depend on anything outside of your own self. Yoga is the original science of self help. Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita says “by the self is the Self realized”.

If you lean on someone else, and he moves, then you will certainly fall.

Always balance yourself on your own two feet.

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

 

4. Karma Yoga – Bhakti Yoga:

 

“When in doubt……ACT…..don’t think. If you are right, you will succeed.

If you are wrong you will soon discover it, and the consequences of the

action will burn out the karma of your error”.

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

The Bhakti Marga or path is for the Yogi who is filled with emotional sentiments, this is the path of devotional surrender. Ultimately Karma Yoga is that which removes the Ahamkara or ego.

 

“On account of devotion, (that is) through a particular love, (Bhakti) (towards him), the lord inclines (toward the Yogin) and favours him alone by reason of his dispassion only, the Yogin draws near to the attainment of ecstasy (Samadhi) and the fruit of ecstasy, (which is) liberation”

- Yoga Bhashya – 1:23

 

 

5. Kriya Yoga

 

 

Kriya Yoga is for the spiritual aspirant who seeks to discipline and gain control of the body, emotions and mind. Many people believe Kriya Yoga to be a shortcut to Kundalini arousal Swamiji stated, “There are no shortcuts to Spirituality, the evolutionary journey is a long one”. Sage Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras states Kriya Yoga to be the last three Niyamas, specifically Swadyaya (self study), Tapas (Austerities), and Ishvara Pranidhana (devotion to a personal deity). Ishwara Pranidhana is of particular interest as without it we are little more than demons searching for power. Swamiji preferred to term Ishvara Pranidhana as Atman Prasadanum, as there exists a two way street that relates rewards as being directly proportional to effort and purity. Sage Patanjali stated that Kriya Yoga will in itself , produce Samadhi, Cosmic consciousness, and the state of enlightenment. Kriya Yoga is taking the last three Niyamas to their highest level.

 

6. MudraYoga:

 

“Verily the Mudra is the Devi, even the Supreme Adept Himself…

Devi is Shakti, but the Mudra controls Her…

So Mudra is also the Supreme Shakti

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

 

In studying the various Mudras presented by many Yoga teachers today it seems at first glance that this ancient and “secret” science has been discovered and opened to all. Upon further investigation and a deeper study of these esoteric “gestures” we discover that the hidden aspects of Mudras are still quite safe from the uninitiated and insincere. The absolute best description of Mudras comes from Swamijis Book entitled “Mudras”; the following excerpt gives us a clearer understanding of this sublime science.

 

“The traditional meaning ascribed to the Sanskrit term “Mudra” is as a seal, a gesture or a secret practice of Yogins. The Kularnava describes Mudra as coming from “Mud”, meaning “delight, or pleasure” and “Dravay” the causal form of “Dru”, to draw forth. In Hinduism, Nyasa is also included in the science of Mudra. Ancient authorities agree that the Mudra has four distinct aspects or powers. First the Mudra gives delight to the deity being worshipped or evoked. Secondly, it draws the compassion of the evoked deity. Thirdly, “melting the mind of the deity” the worshiper gains control over that force; and lastly, for the mystic, the Mudra gives control over the powerful forces of the deity manifesting through psyche, mind, and body”. “One ancient Tantric work states that “Mudra” is the mystical symbol for the number or numeral “18”. In Yantra, Hindu mystic symbology and semasiology, it is stated that Mudra is the secret meaning behind the art of writing and reading.”

 

The higher practice of Mudras gives the Yogin a powerful “key” into the sublime. After having developed a level of proficiency in the Bahiranga practices of Hatha Yoga as a sincere Sadhak and successfully living a “Yogic lifestyle” Rishiculture Students are initiated into appropriate Mudras according to their proficiency. So as we can see Mudras are much more than “additional” practices that can help us, they are in actuality a Yoganga or independent and complete branch of Yoga.

 

“In Yantra, Mudra Yoga is a classical school of practice, where hands, feet, body, emotions and mind are all used in actual or symbolical gestures. The Hatha Yoga Pradipika also states the Mudra to be a Yoganga, while the Shiva Samhita classifies ten Mudras, and the Gheranda Samhita describes twenty five.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

Within the practices of Tantra and Yantra, we will find that there are 729 classical Mudras, this is not surprising since Tantra and Yantra are the Yogas of energy sublimation par excellence.

 

 

7. Mantra Yoga:

 

Mantra Yoga is one of the most powerful forms of Yoga. It originates before time and can transport us to the timeless state of reality. Mantras are articulate sounds, which unite the sub-consciousness, consciousness, and super-consciousness. The ancient Rishis discovered the nature of reality and the Divine through the persistent use of Mantra. Not only is the Universe constantly reverberating its sacred Mantra we can attune to it by repeating it. The most powerful Mantras that are taught within this Paramparai include the practices of;

1. Japa Mantra

2. Ajapa Mantra

3. Pranava AUM

4. The Gayatri Mantras

5. Mantra Laya

6. Nada (Cosmic Listening)

 

Chanting the name of the Divine has been advocated by all of the great Rishis and sages as a direct path to Self Realization.

 

 

8. Yantra Yoga:

 

“India has revealed to the world three Sacred Sciences: Yoga, Tantra, and Yantra. Yoga is the Practical Path to oneness with life, Tantra is the mystical control of power and energy, while Yantra is the science of Being hidden behind form.”

- Ram Gopal Mujumdhar (Swami Kanakananda)

 

Yantra Yoga is a Yoga where the understanding of basic geometrical forms produces an appreciation of what is called “spiritual mathematics”. A complete system of yoga involves all aspects of the esoteric practices of Yoga, Tantra, Yantra, Mantra, and Mudra. Rishiculture Yoga is a classical example how all the classical teachings feed unto each other. As you may have already noticed as we study the teachings of this Paramparai there exists a mystical formulation where the teachings manifest into series of 3’s, 6’s, or 9’s. all numbers of practices can be reduced to these common numbers. For example 384 Asanas when added together equal 6 (3+8+4 = 15 / 1+5=6). It is upon further study of the mystical and esoteric meanings of these numbers that we begin to see the universe and all its manifestations in complete harmony.

 

“Ordo Ab Chao” – “There Is Order In Chaos”

-Is an ancient axiom appropriate to the universe as well

as the study leading to a knowledge of this same universe”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

Very little can be said to the uninitiated about the higher teachings of Yantra as without a firm grounding in the Ashtanga Yoga system the true meaning will be lost. Much emphasis is placed by the Yogacharyas of this Paramparai to teach people where they are at and be responsible to both the student and the teachings. It makes no sense to teach a baby to run or jump when it can barely crawl. Like this the appropriate teachings are passed on at the appropriate time to the appropriate students.

 

“Mudra and Yantra are concerned with Self Realization through

development of the intuitive, psychic faculties of man in the most

positive manner, allowing self control and mastery.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

As you can see there exists a framework within all of the teachings that feed unto each other. Within the framework of Yantra there are again 9 specific schools of Yoga that are espoused for various individuals from a Yantric viewpoint of Dharma.

 

1. Hatha Yoga

2. Jnana Yoga

3. Pranayama

4. Karma Yoga

5. Raja Yoga

6. Yantra Yoga

7. Mantra Yoga

8. Laya Yoga

9. Bhakti Yoga

 

9. Raja - Laya Yoga:

 

Hatha Yoga is a ladder for ascending to the heights of Raja Yoga

Yogi Swatmarama Suri – Hatha Yoga Pradipika.

 

Laya means to re-absorb and as a Yoga means to re-absorb all the energies and forces normally dissipated in daily living. Tejas and Ojas (higher forces) are produced through these practices and the highest of all emotional-mental ecstasies are created by these techniques. Laya Yoga is open to the most advanced Students in the world, this Yoga deals with the psychic forces including Kundalini Shakti, its arousal and control with Agni Yoga, Atma Yoga, and Shakti Yoga. This Paramparai identifies 12 Chakras, 6 lower, and 6 higher. The 6 lower Chakras are associated with the 6 major Nerve plexuses of the Body.

 

 

The 6 higher Chakras are associated with our higher Self, with the 6 lower Chakras are merely a material reflection of the 6 higher Chakras. Advanced studies of Raja Yoga include the study of the various 108 Siddhis and Riddhis. As taught by Swamiji there exists 3 types of Siddhis (psychic accomplishments) and are of 12 origins while Riddhis is a state of Psychic prosperity. Raja Yoga is the highest stages of Ashtanga Hatha Yoga where the practices are dealt with at the subtlest levels of energy.

 

VI Yoga Chikitsa:

 

By fully embracing a complete system that incorporates many Yogic practices we can in actuality heal the root of our dis-eases. Swamiji was the world’s foremost authority on Psychic Neurology and its correlation to Yoga Chikitsa. Swamiji discusses nine factors or the Nau Dhushyas in the practice of this Paramparai’s Yoga Chikitsa that are of a physical nature and an additional 3 Non-physical factors to make up the twelve systems of the body or Dwadasha Kramas.

 

 

Yoga Chikitsa as taught in this Paramparai does not let the patient become a passive participant but rather actively involves the Patient/student to empower themselves and truly heal the real issues surrounding their dis-ease. Without actively healing thyself one will Karmically re-create the dis-ease this is why Yoga Chikitsa cannot and should not be disconnected from a regular Sadhana and a Yogic lifestyle which includes following the Yamas and Niyamas as well as a balanced vegetarian diet. Yoga Chikitsa is dealt with through all the bodies of man and the nine dimensional world in which he lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Yogi Lives in a nine –dimensional world represented by:

1. First Dimension Line

2. Second Dimension Surface or Plane

3. Third Dimension Depth

4. Fourth Dimension Space

5. Fifth Dimension Time

6. Sixth Dimension Mind

7. Seventh Dimension Astral Memory

8. Eighth Dimension Intellect

9. Ninth Dimension Spiritual Liberation

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IX. Kaya Kalpa:

 

 

“Yoga is the mother of all sciences

Yoga is the mother of all religions”

- Maharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

Kaya Kalpa is India’s ancient science of rejuvenation and involves cleansing and break down followed by build up and regeneration. If the anabolic process of metabolism is accentuated to a greater degree than the catabolic destructive processes of metabolism then we remain young, youthful and energetic. Aging has little to do with chronological passing of time. Many teenagers today have the bodies of 80-year-old senile degenerates, having mis-used their bodies so early in life. Kaya Kalpa is a process that requires that the patient/student retreat to an ashram or health center to live in a nutritive environment with a restricted and disciplined lifestyle including Diet, exercise, and cleansing followed by building practices. The cleansing practices include;

1. Fasting

2. Shanka Prakshalana

3. Eka Dasi

The fasting process varies from person to person and is followed by the Shanka Prakshalana techniques unique to this Paramparai. Eka Dasi is an 11-day physical, mental and psychic cleansing practice that breaks down traumas and cleanses them at a cellular level. After the breaking down phase the build up phase consists primarily of the 45 day Pancha Sahita Pranayama. Kaya Kalpa is extremely powerful and is often thrown around haphazardly in today’s discussions of health and healing, make no mistake Kaya Kalpa is a life changing process.

 

X. Summary:

 

“I am everywhere” and “I am nothing”

This kind of vision embraces the real existence,

…there is no other way of realization.

Yoga Vasishta 5:6:67

 

In Summary we see that there are many systems of Yoga with many names and various practices that leave aspirants confused as to which path to follow. In the Rishiculture System as espoused by Swamiji we use many practices to maximize the benefits of Yoga and help us on our path. Many schools will say that on path is for one type of person while another path is for another type of person this type of generality cannot be applied to the multifaceted nature of any human being. 100 years ago Yoga was Yoga, today there are hundreds if not thousands of yoga schools with names that leave seekers confused as to the meaning of certain Sanskrit names. For example Ashtanga in the western world has come to mean a type of power yoga that is a dynamic exercise, indeed some people don’t even know that Yoga is more than exercise. Swamiji Named this system of Yoga after the ancient Rishis or original seers who the origins of Yoga can be traced back to. Many ignorant people have become Yoga fundamentalists and they don’t even know how the ancient Rishis lived. Living in a balanced way in harmony with the universe was the foundation for Yogic Life. The Rishis lived in the world, they raised families and contributed to society; The Rishi way of life or culture was the real teachings of Yoga and is the essence of Rishiculture Yoga. Ashtanga is simply the foundational limbs of Sage Patanjali as set out in his Yoga Sutras; Rishi Patanjali’s Ashtanga Yoga system which is far more than a system of exercise is a core part of the Rishiculture system.

 

“Everything is there for your use. Nothing is there for your misuse.”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

After Swamiji achieved Samadhi on December 29th 1993, the Worldwide community began calling the Rishiculture system as Rishiculture Ashtanga (Gitananda) Yoga. Hundreds of thousand Sadhaks worldwide have benefited from the immense body of Knowledge that Swamiji passed to us especially for his practical message to live life fully and consciously in the same evolutionary way that the Rishis expounded to us nearly 7000 years ago. Today, in Pondicherry, Tamil Nadu, South India at the International Center for Education and Research in Ananda Ashram, The Rishiculture Ashtanga (Gitananda) Yoga system as taught by Swamiji is continuing, as it has been, for 35 years producing a maximum of a dozen highly qualified Yogacharyas (guides) per year to propagate the true meaning of a productive Yogic life by living by example.

 

“Therefore, Rama, let the enlightened person engage in worldly tasks,

ignore whatever gets lost and accept whatever that comes his way.”

- Yoga Vasishta 4:4:102

 

References.

 

“There is only one secret in this universe and that is ……There Is No Secret!”

- Yogamaharishi Dr. Swami Gitananda Giri

 

 

The Author claims no original thought in the compilation of this material other than the inspiration to codify it within the inseparable Yantric framework that it exists in. The majority of the text used in this thesis is directly or indirectly quoted or paraphrased from the various books and printed material distributed by Ananda Ashram and the International Center for Yoga Education And Research (ICYER) the international head quarters of Gitananda Rishiculture Ashtanga Yoga. Introductory statements and clarification have been given to allow concepts to flow in a thesis format. This thesis was written with the intent to establish a framework that accurately describes the teachings as delivered by Swami Gitananda Giri Guru maharaj to the uninitiated and to inspire a further more complete codification in a full book format.

 

 

 

OM SAHANA VAVATHU

SAHA NAU BHUNAKTHU

SAHA VIRYAMKARAVAVAHAI

TEJASVI NAVADHITAM ASTHU

MA VIDVISHAVAHAI

OM SHANTHI, SHANTHI, SHANTHI OM

 

May we both be protected together. May we both be nourished together. May we both work together with great energy. May our study be fruitful and enlightening. May we not quarrel, nor hate each other. Om peace, peace, and peace, Om…

 

THE END

 

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Is it just me, or am I the only one having difficulty getting through Sean's posts on LSD? I have never encountered writings so utterly composed of vitriolic pretension, fundamentalism and unsubstantiated hot air. One un-granted presupposition and unsupported assumption after another in an attempt to defend arguments that are so weak and circular, it is embarrassing; yet ironically, the author endlessly reiterates his embarrassment and contempt of other's writings. I truly can't stomach more than a few paragraphs.

 

My oppologies to the forum for the subjective and personal nature of this post.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hi Sean,

 

I and some others in this tread have been wondering if you would be so kind and generous as to share your personal point of view and understanding on the questions raised in the below paragraph from the ongoing discussion? Please see below:

 

"With such an advanced master and tradition, why not take directly from the Tao? As it is said this is one's true nature, why can one not access one's true nature - realise it? Why such limitations? Because not enlightened, and thus must make use of lessor methods? The Tao is not limited like the creatures who suffer in this taking, and who are, by definition, NOT unlimited like the Tao. Does this not show the limits of the consciousness of the individual and their level of contact and integration with the Tao and their capacity to merge with it, realise it and give expression to their embodiment of it? My experience with the Tao seems to support this premise - but this is an intuition, and is not conclusive in any way. This would be in my estimation, the way of the right-hand path – to open to infinity and give from, and as the Tao; not to take in limitation, from limitation and give in limitation. To take at another's expense, while ignoring their suffering and the extinguishing of their life is reasonably suggestive of something, right? But the question is, suggestive of what? What do we infer?"

 

In essence, we are wondering why the master in question "cannot" or simply "did not" access the same or equivalent energy and end result - the healing and energy replenishment - by drawing it directly from the Tao, rather than from the bulls, as it were? Why make use of, or rely upon intermediaries when one can – as it would seem, as a realised master – simply operate directly on the subject at the level of the Tao? We see this at the most basic and rudimentary level in spiritual healing such as in Reiki and so forth. I can do this myself, with third party observable, objective results in the form of years of spiritual healing work with family and friends. I am empowered, simply invigorated when reaching out with my consciousness and making contact with That-Which-Is; and the energy and power that flows through me and into the patient is easily felt by both of us. Yet, this is very low level stuff as compared to an apparent master and simply shows contact can be made and effects felt by others. What must a master be able to achieve - complete healings or instantaneous materialisations? Of course this is a rare level of mastery, yet it is well documented in many, many traditions throughout the world - at least as much as the existence of any said miracle can be; thus, what level of master are we really talking about with LSD?

 

Many thanks for taking the time to share!

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

First of all most know that I am currently a student of David. Everybody sure thinks: "Hey. This guy naturally has to defend his teacher." OR "It simply is not possible for him to even let room for the idea he is following a "dark" path" ---- all just simple "protective mechanisms" to keep up the integrity of ones own personality & identitiy...

 

I completely understand and fully accept a sophisticated adult is capable of this, which I naturally assume you are.

 

Now. I personally feel that as long as we are not even close to the level of these masters it is not reasonable to actually judge them or their deeds.

 

I unreservedly accept this point, and find it to be the central premise that undermines my arguments and gives this tradition the benefit of the doubt, which they deserve; and which is further supported by their miraculous powers, which may indeed reflect significant progress along the path of self-realisation. That is why I only offer prima facie "concerns" and NOT conclusions with a high degree of certainty.

 

It is not the same level but a little like talking about the daily deeds of a politician without being able to look behind the curtain and see all that is happening around him... or like judging how good a family is by their Sunday meetings in church etc. From our point of view we don't know.

 

Yes, if I was to offer a counter argument against myself, I would make your above argument which I find completely compelling, and suggest my arguments are weak for this reason, bordering on being invalid; as the data set is too limited and the conclusions do not compellingly follow from the cited evidence. Further, those conlcusions may not be the best (probabilistic) explanation for the evidence.

 

Now. What then are we doing? We utilize bits of information, mix them with our own ethical understanding and form an opinion, right?

 

Right, a matter of logic and intuition. But based on many assumptions which may simply be false.

 

I want to be honest:

 

I can not distinguish between the truth of:

"Buddha said killing is" & "The Shen of the animal is freed by..."

 

etc.

 

Me neither.

 

The topic of money: this has been discussed in endless ways. I have given my thoughts on the subject. Just to repeat the most important aspects: David's training in Denmark is in no way more or less expensive than a whole bunch of seminars led by all sorts of teachers where noone really is bothered by costs. That he charges in Euro and by the bad dollar/euro exchange rate it sounds unreasonable for Americans... ah well. Years ago I had the same trouble the other way round, wanting to study acupuncture in the states... and believe me: nobody would have reduced their costs for me because the exchange rate was bad.

 

Instead of travelling endlessly and giving a little seminar here or there, acquiring hundreds and hundreds of students he is focussing on less and if he where to charge more that would even be understandable.

 

Regarding what the masters "charge": it is up to us to decide if we want to pay. Not really up to us to judge if their intents are good or bad or reasonable or whatever....

 

I would accept that as fair and reasonable as any other position. I personally would argue against it for my own differing personal reasons and intuitions, but they are in no way any more compelling or valid than the ones you just cited - they just differ. This whole thing is very much a personal matter.

 

yes I know: you have emphasized that at the initial level the costs are reasonable but according to Sean'S... let me just say: we just don'T know what things will cost each peron individually. So. Just don'T worry about it and sure not to make judgement based on some words... one thing though: IF this is a true teaching (which I am inclined to believe) THEN it is worse to pay some more money THEN paying a little less for a nontrue teaching or searching around, or: having to wait 30 years before a teacher even looks at you or or or... I understand that "money" is understood as an alchemical ingredient in some circles of the Taoist arts... so: being willing to invest a certain amount of money (thereby investing time and effort to actually raise it and then invest it) HAS a SPECIFIC quality to it!

 

I completely agree. Money in and of itself is irrelevant. If in a possible world I could receive the very highest teachings and truths and practices conceivable - as if there is such a thing - then of course I would give my every dollar earned for the rest of my life to access those teachings; including both my arms and legs, and my life. Rather, it is a matter of the 'real world' effects of apparently taking so much, from those who generally have not so much - the conscious, yet, indirect suffering and hardship one inflicts on another being by taking so much in the exchange for what amounts in real empirical terms, as so little. A little sharing of one’s time and a communicative exchange of ideas. It is the apparent gluttony and excess which intuitively seems unjustified and inconsistent with higher-mind.

 

The oracle answers: "You can't. You have to decide what to make of it..."

 

Yep, I'm with you there!

 

So: You remember my thoughts on the matrix? IF there IS indeed a matrix (and many believe that actually) THEN there is a question what the bulls actually are?

 

I hear what you are saying and agree on one level. Yet, it would be big assumption to believe they are anything more than what they appear to be. That is prima facie evident; and we would need some compelling support to the contrary, wouldn't we? Yet, that is where intuition comes in, I suppose - indeed it would seem you have stated yours!

 

Just to pose a question...

 

Further: Taking the life force of the bulls was offered to help one person in need who would not be able to cultivate to certain levels otherwise due to some birth condition. How ego-driven is that? If you call the wish of the person to be able to cultivate to a certain level ego-driven... okay. So be it. But in a way all we do towards reaching certain levels is based on ego to certain extent and at least up to certain levels... (one could argue that "ego" one can hardly get out of the equation and that we can just give the one type of "ego" a veratin label and the other one another). So: No example of aquiration of power other than being lifted to a state proper for further cultivation.

 

With such an advanced master and tradition, why not take directly from the Tao? As it is said this is one's true nature, why can one not access one's true nature - realise it? Why such limitations? Because not enlightened, and thus must make use of lessor methods? The Tao is not limited like the creatures who suffer in this taking, and who are, by definition, NOT unlimited like the Tao. Does this not show the limits of the consciousness of the individual and their level of contact and integration with the Tao and their capacity to merge with it, realise it and give expression to their embodiment of it? My experience with the Tao seems to support this premise - but this is an intuition, and is not conclusive in any way. This would be in my estimation, the way of the right-hand path – to open to infinity and give from, and as the Tao; not to take in limitation, from limitation and give in limitation. To take at another's expense, while ignoring their suffering and the extinguishing of their life is reasonably suggestive of something, right? But the question is, suggestive of what? What do we infer?

 

Let me clarify: the bulls were intended for VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY few who were said to TRULY need it. It was not a mass-event were each student got offered a bull. From the whole group I think it was 2 or 3 people who received the offering. So to say: "as an apparent standard" practice is far from it!

 

A standard practice in that tradition given to those in that particular condition and circumstance as part of their set of traditional practices? I do not know. Certainly, we do know that they did it, and have the ability to do it. One may reasonably assume they learned how to do it from their own tradition – it was passed on to them. Perhaps they discovered it themselves and did it just that one time, never, before and never again - it was exceptional to the rule?

 

The question of "sucking out the life force of another creature" is one I am thinking about. From my limited point of understanding I have troubles with it, but IF what David says IS true, that these masters are able to see the cause and effect on a karmic level I don't know how many hundreds of years into the future and the past... THEN what does my limited understanding mean?

 

That's it! What kind, type, level of consciousness would even consider it, let alone do it? It seems suggestive doesn't it? But you could be right. But, isn't the 'higher will / God’s will / karma' premise used to explain so many cruel and very "human" acts inflicted on other humans and creatures – like suicide bombings, gang rapes, genocide, letting the under-class suffer in squalor and poverty while the upper classes step over them, and shrug their shoulders etc? All in the name of religion and artificially created and sustained socio-political distinctions – separation consciousness? Again, its a big assumption; according to Occam's Razor, there are more reasonably credible and down to earth explanations of most things in every day life, right doctor? We don't need to postulate some abstract ontology to explain it.

 

Regarding the charging of a fee for the forum. First of all: why do you suspect David's acting behing anything Sean does or say? Sean is a student of David but he is still pretty much an own personality.

 

Sean said it, I reasonably assume it was true when he said it, given he has insider knowledge of these things. I have no reason to think he is SO mis-informed and reckless in his statements.

 

I agree my arguments are not compelling, I do not claim them to be. But, I think they raise genuine concerns that nag at us on the edge of our consciousness - I know they would me if I were a committed student.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hi Harry,

 

No need to resist, my friend - I am not one to take offence at contrary ideas, opinions or positions. Please feel free to make your implications more explicit, I would love to talk them out!

 

Are you saying that if I accept the efficiency of John Chang's teachings, then I need also accept the efficiency of David's teachings; and if that were so, then it follows the I must accept the master / student relationship as part of those teachings? In any case, any similar argument leading to the same or a dissimilar conclusion is composed of a number of propositions that I do not see the need to be necessarily conjoined to one another. We can accept things about John Chang or his teachings that do not have a necessary implication for David and his teachings or the model in which they are offered.

 

I can accept all sorts of theses in physics while rejecting so many others, least of all the models, basic assumptions or authors or leading proponents who argue for them. Your a doctor right? You know how complex the real world is - there are very few simple answers in the complex world system in which we currently find ourselves. I'm not a nihilist, suggesting it all just comes down to personal opinion, cultural context and point of view - but I take little for granted either.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hmm... that is interesting! What do you know about him? The problem is, an orthadox student will not teach what he knows outside of traditional protocol and hierarchy - thus, he will not share what he knows with any of us - we are outside the circle.

 

I respect the above view, but do not accept it. I take the view that information, like that which can be found in an academic institution is there for the taking by those capable of making use of it. Most people will not be able to do anything with spiritual information - meditative practices - it is just takes too much work - it is beyond them. There is no magic bullet - you only get out what you put in, and very few have the discipline. Yet, some practices are more efficient than others, that is what I seek. That is the nature of applied science also, efficiency of outcome - of cause and effect; and indeed, that which transcends cause and effect in the higher sciences of alchemy.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Hi Radu,

 

I entertain the same degree of interest in the teachings of John Chang as you seem to, as they appear to be a genuine tradition of ascension that may actually work, yet not of the left-hand path as the other well known alternative is. If you manage to contact Jim, please let me know by PM, as I would be interested in learning the lower levels and doing some experimentation for myself also.

 

Don't let others bully you on what you can and cannot post - everyone is entitled to their views, beliefs, positions etc.,. and none can justify the bashing of their opinions over the heads of others.

 

Good luck in your journey along the path.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

Every day and I have no clue.

 

Hey Darin,

 

I'm assuming the time periods are ritually symbolic, and not to be taken literally. It sounded like you made tremendous progress, if so, why not keep doing what you were doing, until you get there, ignoring the traditionally expected time table?

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.