TexasNative

Yeah. I stayed away since Christmas and it was quite pleasant.

 

It is always just one or two people who can make problems seem greater than they are. I don't have answers for every question that comes up and I readily admit that.

 

Max has asked me to teach, I can and I have and I know his system well, but I take that responsibility very seriously and refuse to do it until I am closer to his or Kan's or Jenny's level of comprehension. I won't do it.

 

When I can clearly see people's energy flow and know the proper remedy for each situation (like Max does) then I will have the confidence to do it. I am not there yet so I refuse.

 

You don't ask a surgeon's assistant to perform the surgery, should the surgeon step out of the room. That is how I feel about the level I am at right now.

 

People think it is easy to teach this stuff because it is so simple, but what do you do when someone goes flopping on the floor like a fish out of water? Is the energy trapped in their chest? Tailbone? Head? How do you redirect it or open the blocked channel?

 

This I am still learning.

 

If Max is unavailable for an answer, I am certainly not going to make something up just to give an answer. I do my best like anyone else and I'll share freely the things I am confident with.

 

I am still learning, just like everyone else here. That's why I prefer simple attention practices to everything else.

 

Cheers,

 

Chris

Well now...you've been his right hand man for...what is it 6 years or so? You don't feel confident to teach and yet there are so many new instructors who have been practicing for as long as I have. So you are saying that really only Max is qualified to answer questions? Is that what you are saying? "Kan's or Jenny's level of comprehension". Last I heard Jenny was a free agent and has no affiliation with Kunlun, is that right? So there's only two people who are qualified by what you are saying.

What if someone has a serious problem and Max, Kan or Jenny are not available for answer what happens then? Well, you wouldn't even be able to determine if it was serious now would you?

Sweet Jesus.

Now, you're just a little trouble-maker, too, aren't you? Misconstruing comments.

I welcomed this person to PM me. They can keep their anonymity. I don't like forums.

 

Peace.

I made a point of driving out to meet him in person. He's not coming back.

Sweet Jesus.

Chris, take a look at the email before yours. That's what was burning him up so bad.

That's what his emails to you and Max were about, and just to clarify NONE of his emails were ever

answered by any of you.

If you never got an answer, then you probably didn't deserve one. Sorry. It's true. Maybe your email was lost, maybe it wasn't received, maybe it was divine intervention, maybe it just wasn't as important as the other 100 emails that day. There are a million possibilities. Who knows? If this is Gloria, then I did respond to you.

 

Whoever you are, you have a lot to work through. I hope you can let go of your negative feelings and stop dwelling on things. They will only make you rot inside. I mean it when I say that I wish you happiness.

 

I think I remember why I don't get on forums. So much negativity.

 

Best Wishes.

 

Maybe I'll try again in another year.

He wrote earlier about the problem he was having,

After the seminar I had to increase the closedown time to almost an hour because I started having lots of problems with Kunlun as well as Red Phoenix. Nothing out of the ordinary in that others had mentioned them before. I learned Red Phoenix 2 from the Kunlun site and included that too after 6 months. The reason I stopped was I always felt cold internally and my head was never clear.

but I guess you didn't notice, overlooked it, or he didn't deserve an answer? You never asked him anything else about it and just told him to take a break. All his questions were about this cold feeling that started with RP 1.

He stopped practicing Kunlun and RP about a month ago and still feels that internal cold, and his head feels heavy and confused. The "negativity" may be because he physically feels unwell.

Maybe you can PM me and tell me who you are because I'm sure we've met. If not, I respect your anonymity.

What difference does it make who it is? He is a student AND that's all you need to know. He practiced for 2 years and brought up valid points. I told him many times to give it up and walk away, and have been trying to get him to consider the teacher and practice I have now. He had to give it one more chance, stubborn kid. Look how you treat people, is it any wonder why he wouldn't tell you who he is?

To Satori and Chris or Satori/Chris all I can say is that I always knew you had enough ego for two people.

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when i am practicing my clothing gets holes in it. Not burn marked like from heat, but

like the materials disappear or disintegrate in random locations. This has also been happening with items I hold in my hands or machines the use electricity. I was watching a video of Melchisedek who said the some indigo people in china had the phenomena of clothing getting burned through -started to make the mind wonder the difference between 'intended' events or experiences and the seeming random effects that appear as a side effect of intended manifestations. I can say for certain that i have not intended holes in my cloths but the act of intended materialization did precede the occurrence of the holes or dematerialization. Feeling sense says that it is only side effect that really pisses me off as I have to replace 600$ of brand new clothing. What do you think?

 

 

I think the molecular bond of many man made material of every kind has a very weak electric bond having been produced by chemical reaction rather than magnetic attraction (crystaline structure) and may be weakened by a magnetic fluctuation?

-suppose the holes are where the magnetic increases of the skin burst out like a solar flare

 

random note: The clothing I've had the longest and personal; favorites have not been damaged. It is very new stuff that got burned. Maybe clothing worn the longest is strengthened or magnetelectrolized into a more crystaline form?

This post from winpro seems more appropriate here since it has a

chance of being seen by Chris and Satori.

Later Edit - What would this fall under? Would this be considered a

technical side-effect question? Does this pose a threat to winpro's

health (never mind his pocketbook)? Would this be the kind of queston

to ask a teacher?

My dream was that the world needed these practices and we were going to deliver, but the fact is one must be of a certain mindset and have a certain level of understanding before trying this stuff. That is either built in or comes from years of study.

Anyhow, as far as "illusion" vs "reality," I think the only difference is that one was created and the other always was/is. So, an illusion can still be pretty damn powerful and virtuuaalllyyy real...although ultimately can be transcended, of course.

I don't know if "help" through these things is always appropriate.

 

I do believe having the right "context" for it is...

 

For example - as the ego dissolves - we begin to "face our realities" - the mechanics of the process is identitcal to a mental breakdown. If a person in this situation does not keep in mind that it is all happening from the context of thier practices - then a breakdown it will be. However knowing it is a result of the practice - this context becomes the cornerstone of stability rather than the ego - allowing the ego to become flexible/maliable, and eventually revealed for what it is - illusory.

 

If there isn't a context for the experience then the context defaults to mental illness. The context allows for enough detachment to be in the experience without the experience bowling over us. It allows us to ride the ebbs & tides - without drowning.

Holding onto a false belief which is so prevasive and real as the monitor in front of you is a far scarier thing, in my mind, then spooky creatures. I would rather have raw truth - than realistic fantasy.

 

I've yet to hear of reptilian encounters from the perspective of how it has applied to ones own growth - however acknowledging that it is a result of your own work and is happening in the context growth, then one can stand on fertile ground and begin to move forward from an empowered place - "I've created this experience - I have control over the experience I am having" (note: this says "experience" - not "event").

 

Thing is - these expereinces show an expansion of awareness ( a good thing. no?)- and the fact that others have as well, is not bad "reality testing" that this expansion is not more fantasy. I wish things had been so easily distinguished for myself - and easily validated.

 

The issue is, there was not a strong enough context set for the students to step into this experience - or the students didn't heed the point - simply "it is a part of our greater reality" and "they won't hurt you" would suffice for most- And that has finally come out.

 

nonsense removed

It wasn't nonsense. Wish you had stood by it,

but I have an understanding now of how

difficult all of this is for you to write out.

You have my respect.

What an amazing learning experience for all concerned.

For ALL concerned.

Well now...all that certainly trumps my daily horoscope quote.

I thought we had moved past all this and begun focusing on

improving the quality of our experiences.

Well, there may be a trade-off here.

 

Would you prefer the bandage ripped off hard but "quick-quickly"...or delicately but much slower? Get things out hard and fast and just over with...or in a gentler manner, but more drawn-out?

 

A lot of this really just comes down to personal preference, I don't think either pace is really right or wrong. But it might be right to inform people what they might be in for upfront, so they know what to expect and can prepare themselves more accordingly.

Do you think this ends? Do you think at some point you will not be confronted by conflict, drama, confusion?

And it begins again, and again, and again....(I've been at this for 18 years - it is possible to get a little tired sometimes).

"You see them everywhere: boy racers, flash cars. They sit at the stop light, revving their engine. The moment it changes they race off with a roar before screeching to a halt at the next light. Meanwhile, the more sedate driver trundles on at a sensible pace and reaches the next light at much the same time."

Here's the rest of the quote:

"You do not believe in wasting energy. You are too intelligent - and wise. You are neither tortoise nor hare - you are capable of standing back from the contest."

Anyhow, I think mgd's "agenda" is to help herself and others here. And I welcome hers, and all others' feedback, even if they might sometimes conflct in ways...

 

I do think there's a pay-off if you really stick it all the way through. But, there could definitely be some dark days in between - and a far cry from just all bliss...that many people may certainly not be expecting upfront.

 

QUOTE(mgd @ Apr 10 2009, 03:59 PM) *

 

Apparently if your mind is clear you will let go your stuff during practice without manifesting it in your life.

I left the Max practices to find a more balanced approach with another teacher and practice. There are practices that do not cause such manifestations, and the letting go happens in more subtle ways. You remain calm and clear and if you have genuine questions the teacher occasionally offers guidance. With a path like this attachment to the teacher, practice, students, as well as your experiences never becomes an issue.

I regretted not speaking up more on the Kunlun forum to support more those that did. I felt something lift with Chris's post and feel that regret now gone. I have nothing but respect for the people who spoke up and for those who have opened up more to truly listen.

It has worked tremendously well - there is lots to clear out over the course.

(Yet some things have to be dealt with at the level they occur. Can't meditate your way out of everything.)

 

Mostly it comes down to finding a clarity, calm and freedom in the middle of the storm - a path through it.

How has the Kunlun practice helped you if there are still these unresolved issues...

if there is still this remorse? It didn't seem to help you with finding clarity, calm and freedom in the middle of this paticular storm. Well at least not yet.

I don't really understand Mantras post..did he just say..we just wanted to give it to you but didn't really foresee the implications?

If so ..thats cool. My hearthackra is happy..with the groupenergy it generated.

I felt it too.

I like -O-

 

Well now...isn't this nice? We are argeeing

on more and more things.

My thanks to you -O- for your posts.

Well now...I truly thank you for this.

In the end, we all pretend.

Great pretenders, thinking we know anything at all.

I think it's important to be level headed with this, stay out of the drama and actually watch what's there without engaging too much of our own 'stuff'.

 

I think he is an awesome guy and I am sorry he got freaked out by his experience while looking into the reptilian thing. It is freaky to think that those things are a part of our reality, but they are.

There are some of us that have been open to considering all realities, an unbiased "let's take a look and see" approach. Some of us have found ourselves there as a result of committed daily practice. It would have been mighty nice to have been level headed enough to stay out of the drama and actually watch what was there without engaging too much of our own 'stuff' but what we allowed placed us in situations so as to experience levels of fear never before encountered. A continued openness allows you to hit a threshold, once reached you may very well experience fear again but never to that same extent because you catch yourself before you get lost in it.

In these situation how you react may possibly come down to what kind of education you have had and what kind of repetitive savvy you may have built up, it may not come down to something that can or should be judged by others.