VCraigP

And please nobody profess a position above and beyond positivity and negativity. Unless you have no electrolytes in your blood -- in which case you're a different species and have no business teaching humans.

I second that. As long as you are still living and breathing you WILL experience emotions. What happens next after they arise...this is the question worth considering.

...the tremendous importance of cumulative practice.

Love RobB's reply

Suggestion:

Take whatever practice you currently are doing and challenge yourself to due some minimum quantity of it daily for 49 days.

This will cement whatever practice you are doing thoroughly in your system. Then you will know what I'm referring to.

Craig

I don't see how Dao and Wuji get involve with Jing, Qi and Shen. Somebody was really confused about these two terms. IMO This a very bad secondhand information and misleading.

DUDE!!!

It is obvious you don't see because you don't want to see. You have a simplistic and limited view and you cling to it continuously without any attempt to further your knowledge base by educated people. Wow!

Do you have any idea who Jerry Alan Johnson is!!

Do some research. He is a serious authority of medical qigong as well as Taoist priest.

OMG. are you here merely to dumb down everyone with your constant reduction to abodominal breathing and other vast oversimplifications??

This is what I mean by disinformation. Just keep filling the forum up with your fundamentalist view formed from ...what? Oh yeah, you studied with some people and then decided that old written works in the original chinese would tell you better than living people ever could.

I guess you cannot investigate Jerry A Johnson because he is a white guy, right?

arrrrgggghhhh

done now.

have a nice day.

Craig

Taomeow!

 

I am visiting my friend in Xi'an next month

 

Is there anything there in particular you would reccommend checking out? After that I think I am going to Luoyang(sp?)

 

Beijing, Xi'an, Luoyang and Nanjing are the 4 ancient capitals I think.

 

Anyway, I hope Yoda is doing well.

 

I still do Kunlun, powerful as it ever was!

Xi'an is nice. Check out the Moslem market. Huge open air market for all types of trinkets, curios, clothes, etc, etc. If you make it ti Xian you should find some way to get the Huashan. Highly reccomend it. skip the Terra Cotta warriors.

Craig

I support suspensions of 7 days for Seth and Scotty.

I support suspending Scotty for an addittional 7 days for each of the following.

Scotty 2000, Scotty 3000, Scotty 4000. Clear and direct insults at the moderators.

So I support an additional 28 days for Scotty as well as permanently banning all permutations of his persona.

If he keeps going I support moving directly to 45 day suspension. AFter that....

I really hate banning. I would support allowing Starjumper7 to return even. I would hate to see Scotty go that way but he seems to be trying for it at the moment.

Craig

But then I saw that the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals were strongly advocating and I thought,

Oh yeah, PETA, they are a very rational and trustworthy source for what we should or should not eat.

acckkk gaggghhh kaff (sorry, hairball)

OMFG!!!

Am I the only one retching at the thought of giving my body over to man made franken food.

Sure, no problem, they know everything the body needs to thrive. Trust them. Better living through chemistry.

arrrrrgggghhhhh.

Help!

Run away....

LOL. And you have? You're about as clueless as they come on this site, bud, so maybe you should STFU and take a second before you insult a group of people, ya dis-respectful, power-hungry twerp.

 

(yeah, i know, i'm being harsh. not very Taoist of me. I should be banned.)

Hey

No need to attack. He told the OP to disregard everyone with the exception of a few he named. Logically that means to disregard him as well...

Apech

I support Stig in this.

It's a question of balance.

Stigs point. Things are AFU.

Stig's idea. Things are AFU because of excess Yang.

Actually I see it as false yang. ie, if yin is suppressed Yang will appear overpowering in comparison while Yang itself may actually deficient, the suppression of Yin makes Yang dominant, ie holding more power in comparison.

If Yang were to relax the suppression of Yin this may lead to a new level of flourishing Yin AND Yang, ie a higher order energetic state in which both are stronger through allowing true nature to be expressed.

Stig's points about Womens power (perceived or real) are relevant anthropologically when one seeks to understand how we arrived where we are today. IMO it has been fairly well established that women were seen as Stig has expressed it, and that Men did in fact in many societies respond to this perceived power by overcontrolling it. This includes what has become modern western society.

Also, IMO, to look at the sexes in modern society and see their roles as balanced is really wrong. Just as it is wrong to view the modern world and see it as balanced.

Koyaanisqatsi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sps6C9u7ras

Craig

Still working on that one hey? That's OK, hang around here long enough and you will eventually loosen up

 

 

And every time you rattle on with your false associations of Yin and Yang I will once again pipe up and say "Bullshit!", and also once again ask you to consider Yin and Yang as it is from a Daoist point of view rather than your contrived abstractions.

 

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/20207-yin-yang/page__view__findpost__p__287405

 

It is always fun watching people walk in here and try and teach us ignorant fools what Daoism "really is". You obviously are well versed in Western mysticism and philosophical traditions, but are hopelessly inept when it comes to Daoism. In your attempts to "make your point" you are misappropriating and misconstruing Daoist ontology for your own agenda.

 

I would kindly ask you to drop your false usage of Daoist principles and just stick with what you actually do know. Because I actually agree with your fundamental message of honoring the feminine spirit. I just think you are overly desperate, and therefore incorrect, in the usage of what you think is "evidence" to support your cause.

 

Thanks stig. I was almost ready to admonish you for an earlier post where you appeared a bit passive aggressive on this yinyang subject.

I admire that you did exactly what I was hoping for and recognize there is an interesting kernel in the subject matter, but yes VMarco should really drop that which does not fit traditional models of yinyang or at least acknowledge what his interpretation is, ie, His OWN and not derived from Taoism directly.

Hey, at least VMarco has something of interest to bring forward, a perspective. And he is definitely not at the kindergarten level when it comes to his knowledge. Unlike QiDragon (sorry, does that count as a personal attack?)

AS for me, I do find the idea of digging into myth and comparitive religion to be fruitful. Also I like to see other people react to VMarco's work. He is really good at rocking EVERYONE's boat, Taoist, Buddhist, Christians, Jews. I'm sure there will be something soon for Muslims to react to , but maybe no one here feels the need to defend that faith. Oh, I left out shamans. Any shamans upset by VMarco yet?

Not me.

Craig

Thank you for your honest opinion. The people in this forum, some said breathing has nothing to do or may have something to do with Chi Kung; and some said something otherwise about abdominal breathing. There are no consistency here. Who do you suggest should be followed...???

 

At least, I have some consistency on my part. My story was always consistent and does not change each time when I tell it. Sorry to say, I always stuck with the same old story.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

Ralph Waldo Emerson

PS - Your Weiqi for deflecting constructive criticism is well developed sir!

 

 

Chakras can only be opened through changes in personality based on life events or upon changes in one's viewpoint of themselves in connection to the rest of the phenomenal world. This shift in understanding is what awakens kundalini. If there is no change in maturitly level in connection with the person's relationship with other people, themselves and the world, then it is by defintion not kundalini...

 

Chakras are gateways to consciousness enhancement, not energy enhancement...

This is precisely the teaching that I have been receiving very recently.

each energy center (less culturally charged term) is connected to a certain state of consciousness. And also that it is possible to learn how to choose between states of consciousness at will and move skillfully between them for a variety of purposes.

In my view Chakras and Tantiens/meridians/acu points exist on different planes, or different vibrational densities.

Do you hold a similar view? ie Tantien/Meridians/acu-points are qi related and therefore closer to the physical body vibration and Chakras represent less dense energy of consciousness?

I also resonate with what Effilang said about the systems being constructs which are merely accretions upon the true root of reality. These are indeed tools to work with the pure energy of the universe, which may also be termed the pure energy of consciousness.

Is it possible to go directly to the root? Maybe, but more easy for most to use certain tools of perception to move towards the ultimate root of reality.

Lately I have been working with the concept of exploring without trying to make things happen. IOW how do you have an energetic experience without trying to make something happen? The majority of qigong and neigung as far as I know are interested in working with energies. There is some Intention to make things happen. Open a meridian. Cook alchemical ingredients in the cauldron. Transmit qi, transmute jing to qi to shen. These are mainly doing practices. Is there a way to work directly with Qi. Is there a way to perceive the flow of energy and learn how to flow with what energy you resonate with? Are forms necessary? Where do forms come from ?

Maybe will start another thread soon to expand on the above.

Mike, can you comment more about the relationship between the chakras and different states of consciousness?

Thanks for hanging in there.

Craig

It seems like you are being pretty defensive, you added 2 cents, So I added 2 cents, then you went all in. Just look at how that went.

 

I would appreciate for you to quite putting words into my mouth and to stop assuming so much.

Sorry Informer: You come out looking silly IMO in this argument. 5ET seemed perfectly willing to provide a space for discussion. You made absolutist statements and refused to provide any real basis.

I am sure you will call out my bias as I respect 5ET and have demonstrated it on the forum. Doesn't change the fact that you made yourself look foolish. My opinion, but I believe 5ET deserves credit for trying to have civil discourse.

Craig

Cool......

 

I want to say one more thing or so to conclude this thread.

 

There was a question that somebody asked:

How do we know that the channel of the MCO-1 was opened...???

 

The answer is when one can breathe the Chi deep down to the Dan Tian. If only breathe down to the Chest, then it was not.

 

If an ordinary normal person can breathe the Chi down to the chest and was considered to be Chi Kung; or if people think that there aren't any difference between abdominal breathing and chest breathing, then they really don't know what Chi Kung is all about.

 

PS....

Thank guys for given me the last opportunity to have my final say so....

But have you really said anything?? or anything new?

Do you really think no one here knows about abdominal breathing??

Do you really think that Deep abdominal breathing = Open MCO?

In fact I do not think you have demonstrated very much about what you understand about the MCO-1.

Can you examine your own perspective and acknowledge that you may not have a complete view?

Can you allow the possibility that others may know more than you and they may be westerners who have learned from Chinese or others, and may have had informative experience that tested and revealed these teachings to be true for them?

it appears more and more obvious that you think you have some authority and depth of knowledge that is entirely absent on TTB. I assure you that you do not.

There are things you know. There are things you don't know. There are things you think you know, but don't. There are also things you don't know that you don't know. When others try to point out the last category and hold up a mirror, a man who wishes to engage in self examination will pay attention.

Perhaps you can learn something here rather than try to be an authority. I believe this is how "Conversation" is meant to work, how a forum is meant to work.

Cheers

Craig

This is not even middle school level debate. You show me thru my posts where i prompted someone to buy something to give credence to your claims.

 

This is called basing an argument on the facts.

 

The only thing I have done was post my opinion and experiences of taoist theory and taoist related topics.

 

Oh btw master Waysun Liao's average dvd cost only $50 and Waysun Liao is not affiliated with Gary Clyman so get your facts straight.

Minkus was wrong to level an accusation without facts and without regard to the helpful and interesting character of your posts here.

Minkus...break down his content if you wish, but your claims seem hard to back up. If you feel templetao is engaged in fraudulently promoting some commerce here you should take it up with the mods.

Otherwise, you should both stick to talking about REAL TAICHI. I for one thought the thread was going well...for awhile.

Craig

Tao is the way of understanding, studying and exploring the universe. Big answer right?

How about the method of learning how to become natural and uncontrived. how to reveal your true nature and understand the true nature of the universe and how these connect.

I see Tao more as natural science than as religion. Taoist religion is in my view (high level reductionism alert) more removed from this natural science, further from the root.

Have you ever tried asking your father, "what is Christianity?" or "What is Methodism?" That might be an interesting conversation.

Craig

Thanks for all your answers

 

@fiveelementtao : yes I'm practicing the cool draw early in the morning (really strong cold feeling when doing it) and several times a week, I do the big draw so when aroused getting close to ejaculation but then doing the big draw through the MCO then storing into the dan tien and I think this is where it's not working as good because my MCO is not wide open.

 

I've read somewhere that the aroused energy was more dense so harder to circulate through the MCO, this might be one cause why I don't feel it anywhere close to what I feel on the cool draw.

 

So far, I've been into Tao for 3 months so I"m more than a beginner compare to you guys and so far I've been masturbating or having sex everyday with ejaculation 1 time per month but I know I can do better than that using the cool draw more often as when I do it I don't feel my sex drive that intense and I can skip a day or two with one cool draw.

 

Anyway I'll follow dainin advice and search more through archives.

 

Keep up with the good energy

Re-read what 5ET wrote. Try discarding work with aroused sex energy altogether. Also, extra energy in the system means ramped up energy for your emotions, especially negative such as worry, hastiness, anger, grief, fear. This is why six healing sounds and then Fusion are vital to this whole process, if you are going to stay with healing tao curriculum. My experience with M.Chia's practices is in accord with what Mike is telling you. Get REALLY good with the cool draw and use it regularly to circulate energy. Find a qualified internal martial arts instructor who can take you much farther than any instructor who is specialized only in H.T. training. Do the inner smile with the goal of really getting in touch with all parts of the body. Then you can detect when energy states change. And energy states WILL change dramatically when/if you use orgasmic upward draw. Personally I am married so I usually use body awareness and familiarity with level of heat to achieve control when I want to draw things out so to speak, but almost always have ejaculatory sex after some time of circulating energy together. There are many other perspectives and methods which are as valid or more so than M.Chia's approach. reuniting.com has a lot of valid info to look at and the use of Kareeza technique to keep things less heated up always is also a valid approach if both partners are willing to radically shift their approach.

I could go on but keep researching and try to see the possibility at least that Chia may not be correct in his approach here.

Good luck

Craig

1. I see you have not prepared yourself for the initial intent. I believe the prerequisite was to practice the MCO first, in order, to accomplish your initial intent. It takes quite some time before you can get to that stage. Your body should able to control your muscles internally via Chi Kung practice.

 

2. Since you have no Chi Kung experience, your physical body is not capable of doing what Matak Chia's Book and the articles was called for.

I actually feel myself mostly in agreement with ChiDragon here.

It is my opinion that Multi Orgasmic Man is an ill-conceived attempt to publish a popular book and disseminate information which is somewhat removed from the more esoteric perspective of his earlier foundation material.

I am a former certified instructor of the basic level of Healing Tao practice. I would advise anyone interested in doing the sexual practice to achieve a great deal of experience with both simple meditative practice as well as standing qigong practice of some kind as the very minimum for attempting to work directly with the sexual energy in this way.

From the perspective of Healing Tao practice you should do the following practices to a very comfortable proficiency; Inner smile, six healing sounds, Iron shirt Chi Kung (although with a caveat that I believe the original book has it's own attendant issues if practiced verbatim from the book), and Fusion of the five elements. Standing qigong of some kind will help you develop the sensitivity for all parts of the body as well as the urogenital area and the attendant acrobatics M.Chia recommends.

All of that said with the overarching Caveat that this sexual gongfu practice may be ill advised to attempt at all as is somewhat touched upon in the website Alchemical taoism . com

I invite you to go deeper and understand more and recommend you drop pursuing the sexual practice til you gain more knowledge and perspective of it.

Craig

Taichi's spiritual path has spiritual alchemy. The internal power that comes from that is more powerful than the internal power you get from the martial path of taichi.

 

Like you can have internal power but no high level spiritual attainment. having your mco open and having internal power is for martial taichi because your internal power needs to be circulated thru your body. That alone has no real spiritual alchemy.

 

Bringing your chi down to your dantian, spinning it, and condensing it can be acheived in a few months. Thats beginner shit.

 

but creating a tian to feed and ignite the dan to attain the real yuan qi is a bit higher but what do you do when you attain that? Well thats even higher.

and then....and then ....??? You are such a tease. But nice insight.

thanks

Craig

Like the title says.

I think you mean "as part of their curriculum".

Let me clarify and broaden your question. Why as about all Chinese? Lets ask about all TCM Doctors.

Obviously if we define the MCO as Du and Ren channels we can say all TCM Doctors know of it.

The more important question is not about the MCO but rather "do all TCM Doctors learn about and practice qigong or other similar energy arts as part of their cultivation to improve their practice of medicine?"

Unfortunately the answer is NO, not all do. But IMO all should.

Craig

OK so you want some comments?

 

Well firstly it's obvious you are well practiced in these sequences. There were some nice pathways going on. You allowed the moves to be fluid with one gesture fairly much flowing into the next. Groovy.

 

The footwork was smooth and clean with the weight properly distributed in the feet and your stances are well proportioned, nice.

 

 

But there is no power being issued from the legs. When you step, instead of powering up from the legs into the hips and waist, you are "falling" from one leg to the other. You need to engage the legs more remembering that in Taiji power is initiated in the feet, issued by the legs, controlled by the hips and expressed in the fingertips.

 

Your hips and waist are dormant. There is no transmission of power there; no indication that your mind/intent is centering itself in the dan tien. This follows into the torso, there is no power shifting through your spine. Your torso is frozen.

 

This is all because your mind is too high. Your thoughts are in your arms, too focused on making the arms look right instead of allowing power to flow up through the body out through the arms. As a result your arms and hands are too high, unnecessarily exposing your midrift to attacks.

 

But otherwise nice sequencing.

 

Stig

Can we see your form anywhere?

Will you critique my form if I post it? Not kidding. I just have to find a missing piece from from tripod so I can do some filming.

Chi Dragon - Sorry to partially derail your thread. Brave of you to expose your practice directly here.

Craig

Tulku = Wall

Other Tao Bums = Banging head against wall

Have you ever attempted to achieve lucidity in your dreams?

Recently I am working with a Tibetan Lama and this topic is very important in his tradition.

I wonder how this interaction could have unfolded if you were fully awake in your dream. It is something I hope to be able to explore some day. Thanks again for sharing this dream vision.

Craig