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    Technically JC wasn't an exception :P since he ended up bailing out after only doing the brief testing that ended up on youtube. From what I remember, he never actually went beyond that like they had planned.

    No Aeran, he stepped up to the plate, was stripped to a shirt, checked with a metal detector, and taken to a random location by the head of mind science foundation, a medical doctor and a biophysicist.

     

    He certainly was an exception, he has real ability and he demonstrated it for us.

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    It's obvious by now that 'the establishment' won't accept any evidence that they can possibly get away with denying on even the flimsiest of grounds, so what is needed is something visible, overt, immediate, controllable and repeatable (and someone who can do that and is willing to act as a lab rat for a decade or two while they basically convince the scientific community one University at a time). Remember that in doing so, you're effectively destroying the worldview, life's work and legacy of the very people you're trying to convince, so it's going to take quite a bit of force to really shove it down their throat, metaphorically speaking.

    That's a big part of it, but the other part of it is there are no qualified candidates who are willing to step up to the bat to prove it.

     

    JC was an exception.

     

    Wim Hof is an exception.

  3. Posted · Edited by Thunder_Gooch

    'real' chi ?

    There is only chi. Not real or unreal.

    Chi = mind.

    You are of course correct, there is only only chi.

     

    However there are an astronomical number of idiots who think they are more powerful than JC.

     

    These people would never be able to demonstrate abilities, because they have none to demonstrate.

     

    When I talk about "Real" Chi I am talking about demonstrations from masters like JC.

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    I don't know what kind of omniscience you've gained from practicing Mo Pai, but personally I'm not capable of evaluating the past and present of someones mood, physical/mental/energetic health, martial ability, etc through looking at them or reading their internet posts.

     

     

    All you need to do is look around and see for yourself. Ever heard of anyone reaching another level via Chia's system? Me neither. Ever seen any type of scientific or medical validation from Chia or his teachers? Me neither.

     

    Isn't nearly as complicated as you make it out to be.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    If you cared about not annoying people you'd stop shoving your 'spiritual roleplay' rants into every other major discussion that takes place.

     

    We can do this here or in the community challenge thread. YOUR CALL.

     

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

  9. Posted · Edited by Thunder_Gooch

     

    How do you know what these people are gaining from his practice?

    Use your eyes. This isn't rocket surgery Aeran.

     

    I, on the other hand, am quite happy to keep going

    I know you are, there is a thread specifically for that purpose.

     

    Eventually somewhere around page 25 or so I would assume this thread is going to get, split, pitted, and or locked at which point the argument/debate will automatically be continued in the community challenge thread anyway.

     

    Continuing it here or in the community challenge thread makes no difference, but it would annoy everyone else a lot less over there.

     

    So again:

     

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

     

     

    stop barging into other threads to accuse the people there of roleplay, stick to your 'challenge'

    Not going to happen.

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    Thunder_Gootch, you were the one who brought it up on this thread in the first place. Take your own advice, and stop perpetuating the derail of this thread yourself.

     

    TTB caters for people of varying views. You have to either accept that many of us will disagree with you, or leave and go to/start a mo pai forum.

     

    We've all seen the John Chang video, and read the quotes you keep reposting. Continuing to bash us over the head with them, as though we will suddenly agree that mo pai is the one true system after the 1001st view, is a waste of your time.

    I'll defend myself for as long as is necessary, I just invited the rest of the hecklers to do it in a thread specifically designed for that purpose. I can't force them to use it.

  11. Posted · Edited by Thunder_Gooch

     

    I didn't want to discuss it. You did.

     

    Or perhaps you didn't want to discuss anything. Maybe you just wanted to point out a disagreement I'm already well aware of. Is that it?

     

    Did you just want to remind me that you're still here and you still think your kung fu is better than mine?

    We can discuss whatever you like in the community challenge thread, it's there you so anti-mopai fanatics can rant, rave, argue, defecate, urinate, or whatever else you guys want to do till it's all out of your system.

     

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

     

     

    That would make a great slogan for Mo Pai! :D

     

     

     

    Anyone can see for themselves:

     

     

     

     

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY5UhN4iyEM

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efu4uctpgCM

     

     

     

     

  14. Posted · Edited by Thunder_Gooch

    Aeran,

     

    There is a thread specifically where you can argue to your hearts content without disturbing existing threads.

     

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

     

    Again I suggest we continue there, rather than continue to derail this thread.

     

    Your call.

     

     

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    I'm still not following what point it is you think you're making.

    Let's recap.

     

     

    You said:

    your criteria for whether a system does or doesn't 'do anything' is how many youtube videos you've seen of people setting newspapers on fire

    In response I said:

     

    The head of the mind science foundation, a biophysicist and a medical doctor were present, he was stripped to a shirt and checked for metal and taken to a random location to give a demo of his ability. You can plug your ears, close your eyes and scream "neener neener neener, I'm not listening" all day everyday and it won't change the reality of the situation one bit.

     

    There are also many published studies on tummo, which validate it.

    To which you said:

     

     

    What does that have to do with what I said?

     

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    evidence (to a certain degree, but that's another debate)

    That's what the community challenge thread is for, let's get this nonsense out of your system once and for all. Playing these games is getting beyond old with you.

     

    If I have two boxes, and I open one to find a big pile of money inside, that's great, but it says nothing about the contents of the other box. The only way to find out whether it also contains money or not is to open it and look.

    Let's use Mantak Chia as an example. Do I have proof his system doesn't lead to anything meaningful? No, I don't.

     

    I do however have communities filled with thousands of people who have gained nothing from their practice, except less bookshelf space and a lighter wallet.

     

    It doesn't go anywhere or do anything as far as I can tell.

     

    Same goes for virtually everything else.

     

    Just more made up garbage that doesn't do anything at all.

     

    You either want something real or you don't Aeran, stop wasting my time with these games and move on with your life.

     

     

     

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    Maybe not, but for some people it's a tool for achieving those things. And as long as it actually does help them achieve it, then that's fine.

     

    Copper and magnet bracelets help many people via placebo effect. It's a crutch.

     

    Some people want something real, not more make believe nonsense.

     

     

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    Then you should stick to that thread when you want to claim that everyone other than you is "roleplaying."

    The argument/debate will continue till you've had your fill and moved on.

     

    We can do it here in this thread till it's locked/split/pitted or we can move it over to the community challenge thread which was designed specifically for it.

     

    The only advantage I can see is that this thread might be split and or locked as a result, if that's the result you are looking for.

     

    Your call.

     

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

  16. Posted · Edited by Thunder_Gooch

     

    You know, there are schools existing who put emphasis on behaviour and general wordly impression of the person, actually most schools which I accept do. You don't even need medical doctors for that purpose, it's a good measuring stick, and if I would take you as an example for Mo Pai concerning this I'd hardly conclude this path is so great. You even lack the flexibility to detach far enough from your own position to be able to view your own sentences a little bit objectively, even with me repeating questions from different perspectives, at least that's my experience with you. Concerning this very visible part of your practice I'd really ask you what kind of meditation you guys do if these kind of abilities don't seem to increase in your system.

    Schools that lead nowhere and do nothing.

     

    Spiritual development has absolutely nothing to do with your character.

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    What does that have to do with what I said?

    Let's not play coy Aeran. You are trying to spin the situation. Let's stop playing these games friend.

     

    The head of the mind science foundation, a biophysicist and a medical doctor were present, he was stripped to a shirt and checked for metal and taken to a random location to give a demo of his ability. You can plug your ears, close your eyes and scream "neener neener neener, I'm not listening" all day everyday and it won't change the reality of the situation one bit.

     

    There are also many published studies on tummo, which validate it.

     

    You don't need a spiritual practice to be a better or healthier person.

     

    Again I created this thread specifically so you guys can get it out of your system without derailing threads:

     

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

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    Whoa, who derailed WHAT???

     

    Let's take a look back:

     

    Here I am, telling the OP about the quirks of traveling to Missouri:

     

     

    Here you are butting in:

     

     

    "Hey, it's me, Thunder Gooch! Just wanted to let you know your practice is weak! Hi-yuck!"

    We disagree on what makes something high level.

     

    If you'd like to discuss why I feel this way further there is a thread for that:

     

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

  19. Posted · Edited by Thunder_Gooch

     

    The problem is that a ) your criteria for whether a system does or doesn't 'do anything' is how many youtube videos you've seen of people setting newspapers on fire, and b ) that you fail to grasp that there can be plenty of systems which might not offer immortality or vast power, but can still yield improved strength/health/energy/mood etc etc. and as such are entirely valid for people who only want those things.

     

    You chose to start this conversation in this thread, so I'm going to continue it here until you choose to end it or a mod comes along and moves the whole thing. You're not getting off that easily :P

    The head of the mind science foundation, a biophysicist and a medical doctor were present, he was stripped to a shirt and checked for metal and taken to a random location to give a demo of his ability. You can plug your ears, close your eyes and scream "neener neener neener, I'm not listening" all day everyday and it won't change the reality of the situation one bit.

     

    There are also many published studies on tummo, which validate it.

     

    You don't need a spiritual practice to be a better or healthier person.

     

    Again I created this thread specifically so you guys can get it out of your system without derailing threads:

     

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

     

    It exists for a reason.

  21. Posted · Edited by Thunder_Gooch

     

    Call it what you want, but the fact remains that these diversions happen because you barge into these threads and accuse everyone of roleplaying. You aren't some innocent victim of trolling here, all the criticisms made of your opinions are a direct response to you shoving those opinions down peoples throats. If you want these discussions to stay in one thread, then stick to that thread when you want to make your entirely baseless assertions that the system you practice is the only valid one in existence.

    People who chase practices that don't and have never done anything are indeed role playing. It's a form of entertainment, to keep them occupied till their death.

     

    I think at most there are small handful of schools like mo pai remaining, if at one time there were more I don't know.

     

    We can argue about it as long as you like, but it's 50/50. We can do it here or we can do it where we won't derail the thread more. Your call.

     

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

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    If you want people to keep their criticisms of your opinions to that thread, you should limit your 'every system but Mo Pai is roleplay' schtick to it as well.

    http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

     

    It isn't a schtick. It's how it is (for the moment). Right now there is no good evidence I am aware of for anything other than mo pai and tummo. If you feel otherwise feel free to tell me all about it in the community challenge thread. That is why it is there. So threads like this don't have to get locked and split.

     

    Your call.