Thunder_Gooch

 

But that is real and quantified, so what's your problem?

Who care's what your eeg read out looks like? I am talking about people reaching another level of being.

 

 

A deep "trance" isn't reality, your mind will conjure up whatever you subtly want to see.

 

I know you don't care, but i throw this out there for other people to consider.

 

good day

No I am not talking about hypnagogic hallucinations, I am talking about consensus reality.

 

That's a tad hyperbolic, don't you think?

No Aeran it isn't.

I am telling you maybe one in a billion becomes something more than a dead husk of a mind at death.

 

You didn't answer the question so i assume you haven't got a source for your statement :

 

 

Reality is the source.

There are thousands of types of meditation, but few that actually do anything.

In the deepest most profound depths of trance you can see what a spirit is like for yourself without having to go look it up in a book.

 

Source?

Reality. The spirit most people die with is an undeveloped fetus, a dead husk of a mind, burnt out shell. For virtually all of humanity, that's what's waiting for us.

closed his mind to new ideas.

I think Reiki is absurd, but if a handful of Reiki masters stepped forward and demonstrated demigod like ability under lab conditions don't think I'd reverse course on that.

 

I think we need a clear definition of 'spirit'

Your spirit is an energetic biological entity. When fully developed it's a energetic carbon copy of your physical body.

 

Where have I heard this before ?

They make your wallet and your brain lighter.

 

I never said any of this or even hinted at it.

I'm in no way powerless and don't get screwed over.

Survival is a part of being human but you can't go over the top.

I don't play make believe or engage in fantasy lifestyles.

I'm not living a peaced-out, blissful existence either. I treat each situation 'as it is' and act in a suitable manner.

But you're way of 'survival of the fittest' is back to an animalistic way of living and is not the way of the Dao.

 

You live by the sword and you die by the sword.

If you want something real it's the one of the few systems that actually lead somewhere.

The reality is you are going to die, and you are going to be reborn, and this is true for virtually every being on this planet. Only via an actual spiritual metamorphosis can you survive and break free of this cycle.

All these other paths lead nowhere and do nothing.

Adept,

If you want to keep on your anti mo pai rant, there is a thread just for that here:

http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

You can scream and kick and pitch a temper tantrum... whatever you like.

It's there for that purpose.

 

It seems to you that anything other than Mopai isn't worth practicing.

There are probably a small handful of schools like it.

At the end of the day you achieve something before the death of your physical body or you don't.

99.999999% of the practices available to us are bogus nonsense that leads nowhere and does nothing.

Well, if that system is ok with genocide and racism then it is the worst example of those thirsting for power.

Sour grapes excuses. You either want something real or you don't. Quit wasting my time with this silliness.

Power does indeed corrupt, at all levels, without exception.

So go be powerless, live your live powerless and die like a dog just like everyone else.

If you want to become something more it isn't going to happen with that peaced-out nonsense you keep feeding yourself over and over.

This is about survival, you either want to survive what's coming or you don't.

If you want to use fantasy and religion like a narcotic and play make believe that everything will be alright that's your prerogative.

So, Thunder_Gooch, if you could learn this type of power, would you still do it knowing that it could turn you into a crazed murderer of women, children and men, and a hateful racist ?

 

Power corrupts !

Stop with the silliness.

The point is evolution.

Nature is brutal, cruel and uncaring.

Everything eats everything else alive.

That's the same nature we crawled out of the trees from.

If you want to make up sour grapes excuses, and play make believe and roleplay spirituality that's your prerogative.

 

Oh, I get it alright.

Learn 'high level' neikung and turn into a murderer and racist

No it doesn't make you good or evil any more than owning a gun, learning BJJ/JKD, or being a weight lifter makes you good or evil.

 

How about what can be felt?

 

 

How about this one then? my teacher went to a free health check clinic at the local state hospital. The doctors interpreting the readouts said his eeg was like that of a teenager's (he was 78 at the time)

I don't care man, I want something real that can be quantified.

 

I read the book years ago and this story actually made me feel sick to the stomach.

These are supposed to be 'high level cultivators', whatever that means.

How people do such things is beyond me.

We don't even know if that story is true. It could have been included in the book for 'entertainment' purposes.

Sick, twisted and racist.

I'm afraid you still don't get it.

Your character is not your spirit.

Development of your character doesn't develop your spirit.

I still giggle a little bit every time I see your display pic.

did you see the high res pic in my sig?

 

Meh, it's meaningless to debate when neither of us have access to the facts behind the aura thing.

lol

 

Giving in to a momentary animalistic rage after being pushed to the brink is hardly the same as being a genocidal dictator.

 

Anyway there's no way to prove whether the 'special aura' does or doesn't relate to moral development, but my point is that even Hitler or Genghis Khan aren't going to get past the early stages without it.

Lim the man who killed Pai lok nen, Liao's teacher dedicated himself to training purely out of hatred and spite, and was quite an evil fellow before that.

 

Except for that whole thing about needing a special kind of aura.

Liao sifu, Chang's teacher slaughtered an entire village filled with men, women and children. He was still more advanced than 99.99999% of everyone alive on earth today.

 

Yes, I agree, but racism ?

I am sure they have racist body builders who can bench press a Buick, them being racist or not racist doesn't have a lot to do with their diet, and exercise regimen.

What I am talking about is beings who developed their spirit as though it was an energetic biological fetus and raised it to adulthood, the end result being a fully ground and adult energetic carbon copy of their body, completely developed.

No matter how racist, evil or anything else they may be, it has nothing to do with how developed their spirit is or is not.

 

You can't divide the body/mind/spirit into separate segments. They're all part of an integrated whole.

What you think is spirituality is not.

Being at peace has nothing to do with your spirit.

Equanimity has nothing to do with your spirit.

Wisdom has nothing to do with your spirit.

Compassion has nothing to do with your spirit.

You could be worse than Hitler, worse than Genghis Khan, and still be more spiritually developed than Mother Theresa or the Dali Lama, if you you were training in a legitimate method like mo pai, and were able to dedicate your entire life to it.

Caterpillars turn into butterflies, but working in soup kitchens isn't a requirement for that metamorphosis.

 

If this is what these high power practices do for you then thanks, but no thanks.

Developing your spirit has nothing to do with your character.

 

'Institute for Applied Biocybernetics and Feedback Research' The power of inner smile ...

I am more interested in abilities that can be quantified, lowering electrical skin resistant, and eeg readouts don't do much for me personally.

Wim Hof's abilities are much more interesting.

 

I'm not attacking the man, just pointing out that it never ended up happening.

As powerful as JC is, the higher ups pulled rank. That's why he's no longer teaching. That's why all Caucasians were expelled.

At least we have the evidence we do, so don't try to downplay it as if it's insignificant.

 

My point is that he didn't end up traveling to Universities to demonstrate before physics departments, etc etc. like Kosta had wanted and like I described would be necessary. He did the brief demonstration you described then bailed on the whole 'proving the existence of Chi' endeavor (or possibly it just fell by the wayside after he cut off the white dudes, I don't know).

It's not like he didn't want to, he did the best he could.