Thunder_Gooch
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Use what you have available to actually counter the above. No evidence has been givin to state otherwise.
He explained to me, “Your yin comes from the earth and you need to be connected to it.” He said I have to sit outside on the ground. This was somewhat troubling because where I live it snows about twice a year and rains a lot, so while he was telling me this I was trying to figure how I was going to be able to do it. He also told me yang comes from the air and enters the energy point on the top of your head. And it needs to be equally balanced with my yin which enters another energy point at the area of your perineum.
McMillan, Jim Seeking the Master of Mo Pai (p. 178).
“Where does yin ch’i come from?” Andreas asked.
“From the earth. The yin comes from the earth. It is some kind of field phenomenon that feeds our lifeforce. It can be blocked by insulators. For example, if you have a carpet made from synthetic materials in your house, the yin ch’i cannot pass through it. That’s not so good for your health. “The yin ch’i enters the body through an acupuncture point that we call hui yin, he added. “It’s located between the urinary tract and the anus.”
Danaos, Kosta The Magus of Java (p. 104).
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But isn't the whole point of Mo Pai that it allows power to be obtained without spiritual achievement?
Let's flip this around.
Why do we call someone who is emotionally mature, compassionate, and at peace... "Spiritual", what does any of that have to do with the development of the spirit?
Mo pai develops a spirit much like a weight lifter develops a strong body.
What passes for spiritual these days has absolutely jack (insert expletive here)ing (insert expletive here) to do developing a spirit.
The label says one thing and does another.
The vast majority of spiritual teachings have nothing to do (AT ALL) with the development of the spirit.
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I'm not playing games. I quoted a student of John Chang as saying the system was primarily developed for combat. You disagree. Why do you disagree?
In order for you to fully understand what the term neikung implies, you’ll have to work your way through this text. What is important at this point is that, for the first time in human development, a man who according to Chinese culture is a hsien, a Taoist immortal, is willing to come forth and reveal to the West the truth behind his teaching.
The Magus of Java
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Such a spirit is still bound by the laws of karma, however, and will remain so until Level Thirty is attained. In other words, to ensure escape from the cycle of rebirth you must attain Level Thirty or more while alive. Ultimate enlightenment results at Level Seventy-Two, when all seventy-two chakras in the body are opened and the very last, located at the top of the skull.
The Magus of Java
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The mental and emotional perspectives of the average spirit
are very different from those of a human being.”
“But not your Master’s. He looked and sounded the same dead as
he did alive.”
“Yes. A spirit with even a little yang energy is very different. A
spirit like my Master retains all its human characteristics.”
The Magus of Java
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And according to Chang Sifu, to remain completely human after
death, you had to bring all your yang energy with you—that is to
say, to complete Level Four. Like Liao Sifu. Like my Master.
A shudder ran through me. Was evolution at play here? Was
humanity no more than the breeding ground for higher spirits? I
thought about how an embryo came into being: Out of millions of
sperm only one became a baby. Was this the case for us also, that
from a million humans only one was destined to become a hsien?
The Magus of Java
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“But when someone completes Level Four, he is a hsien, an immortal, correct?”
“Not in my opinion. I think that someone has to be more than Level Thirty to be considered a hsien.”
The Magus of Java
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Level 4 is the horse stance
.In mo pai it is a seated meditation.
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"Why would someone want to practice it?"
This is something that has be repeated 924,208,173.5 times already.
To break free of rebirth, to become a hsien.
That IS THE POINT.
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So what is the end goal?
Tiger I will be honest, I am growing very very very tired of playing these games with you.
We both know what the point of the system is, to become a hsien.
That is the whole point of it.
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the whole point of Mo Pai was to be able to utterly destroy your enemies with hadouken.
Again this is more sour grapes nonsense. That has nothing to do with the point of the system at all. Abilities are generated as a result of the practice but they certainly ARE NOT the end goal.
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Thunder_Gooch, if you have any suggestions on how to work out a few of the following things for the better, please do add them.
1. The whole Mo Pai thing.
2. Stuff like Deci Belle kicking people out of her threads (but at present no one owns a thread) / people posting completely irrelevant off topic crap in Deci Belle's well written and thought out threads? (I'm using her as an example as it comes up lots)
3. People teaming up and trolling Vitali for fun and entertainment... daily... every single damn time he posts... (the same 3 people).
The solution is there is no solution.
Tell people to use their PPF if they don't want to defend their posts, and want to maintain control over the discussion.
It's really that easy, and at that point they are responsible for deleting troll posts.
If something in public discussion becomes a problem, toss it into the pit, and if need be lock it if that doesn't fix it.
Basically policies already in place just need to be enforced imho.
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Or perhaps one thread per member... indefinitely...?
lol
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Limit to one new one per member per week maybe? (or let stewards move posts).
In PPF or public discussion?
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ROFL you are trying to talk everyone out of this idea aren't you? ROFL
Not so much, but I know exactly how it will play out.
As long as the other team can use it to their advantage they will be for it, but as soon as they are forced to stop derailing topics they don't like... that's when it will hit the fan and they will scream bloody murder again about personal insults or whatever they can to try and prevent their opponents from having a different opinion than they do.
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Yes If we decide it's worth trialing
Will you let us know when the trial goes into effect so we can try it out?
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So is this trial in effect now, for instance if I create a mo pai related thread and kindly ask another poster to stop arguing and derailing it, they get moved to their own thread?
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The only major effect from this that I can see is forcing threads to become split and fragmented, with 10 threads about the same discussion, all referencing each other and disagreeing with the other ones because disagreement isn't allowed in any of them.
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They get what they want by using their personal practice forum to maintain control over a discussion, that is precisely why personal practice forums exist.
If this goes into effect all it will do is turn the public forums into glorified personal practice forums, where the original poster get's to direct the flow of the thread.
How about:
If a thread becomes an eyesore toss it into the pit, if it continues to degrade... lock it.
Suggest the original poster use their personal practice forum to maintain control if that is what they want.
I have a feeling this is going to stretch staff resources to the limit splitting threads nonstop.
Maybe not though, if this goes into effect let me know I will test it out with a public pro mo pai anti everything else thread and see how many times you guys have to split the discussion up into separate discussions lol.
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We "hear" the "I want to say this!" It's loud and obvious. And as long as it's not insulting we help them say it. It's a discussion board after all
But the "I don't want to listen" The quiet yin to the loud yang. The comments like, "Please don't continue" "I'd rather talk about" "I'm not interested in" how do they get what they want?
What if we trialled :-
Directed Discussion a forum where posts can be moved at the thread creators request.
Should work like this (or not - hence the trial)
Poster A makes a thread
B replies in thread I dont agree
A replies I understand you dont agree but please stop disagreeing or your posts will be moved
B replies I still dont agree
A reports that post, with a link to the original request for poster B to stop
B's post is moved by staff into its own thread
(This is the same as what stewards can do with requesting posts be moved)
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The aim of this is to attempt to reinforce "Treat other members with respect." Now after the initial joy of "At last I can stop B hijacking my threads I will be moving everything they posts" I hope this will become :-
At TTB A and B just cant agree. B wants to follow A and keep arguing. A can let B do that (quite a few people do enjoy a flame war I mean a 70 page discussion) and as long as it doesnt devolve into insults its all good.
A can put B on ignore
Now A can also start a Directed Discussion. If/when B posts A can say please leave me alone, post in another thread.
If it's the issue (more than the arguing about it) B can indeed create their own thread and present their view, or create a PPF, or go offsite and create an entire web site. But B also knows that any further post in A's thread in directed discussion will be moved. So its pointless trying to keep the argument going, or close down / monopolise discussion within that thread. Poster A's thread will either keep going or fall down the board depending on if anyone is interested in having a conversation.
Overtime the Directed Discussion forum will show if it's always poster B that is being asked not to reply from several different thread creators. Alternatively if Poster A's thread is :-
Poster A makes a thread
B replies in thread - this is rubbish
A please don't reply again or your posts will be moved
C replies in thread - this is rubbish
A please don't reply again or your posts will be moved
D replies in thread - this is rubbish
A please don't reply again or your posts will be moved
E replies in thread - this is rubbish
A please don't reply again or your posts will be moved
...
X replies in thread - this is rubbish
A please don't reply again or your posts will be moved
A's thread doesn't have anyone to talk to, a list of the people they dont want to talk to, and the created thread has all the replies (and probably a conversation about why poster A is wrong)
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If this works out I see it having great potential as a person powered search engine if someone is looking for a specific answer at TTB.
"How do you find the answer you are looking for? Post a thread in Directed Discussion at TTB"
Eg Poster A How do I X
B you do this
C you do that
A I'm interested in trying this
C Don't do it that is better
A I'm going to try this, if you keep posting about that I'll have to ask for the posts to be moved
Options
C well ok you can try this by doing
Or
C no it has to be that
(A reports C's post and it is moved by staff so that discussion can continue about this rather than that)
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That said, there are some who are capable of some pretty amazing things
We are operating on different definitions of amazing.
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It wouldn't suprise me if there's less than 2 actual Hermeticists in the world right now who have done Bardon IIH. And they would be so far removed from the kind of person who performs tricks for a camera, it's not even funny. You'd understand that if you've read IIH.
I'd go further and say there are 0 who have ever gotten results with this system, other than psychological disturbances.
The elemental condensing breathing in IIH is extremely powerful. Insanely powerful. It can really dislodge you psychologically though which is why there's so many steps leading up to it. I skipped over them to try out the excersises which was a mistake, but I felt the ridiculous power of it. I can't even imagine what someone would be like if they were breathing in the elements on that scale every day for a year.
Psychological issues arising from practices like this is common, it's called kundalini/qigong psychosis. It happens. It doesn't mean those systems that achieve that lead anywhere other than a trip to the insane asylum.
At the end of that you will feel extremely hot and explosive. On an emotional level you feel visceral sensations of being very powerful, very violent and very intense.
Now that's how far I got and I was loosing my temper in violent outbursts of rage all the time, I got rashes all over my skin, I got fevers etc. I was also getting schizophrenic symptoms feeling like the universe was beginning to revolve around me with sycnrhonicities everywhere like the world was becoming a mirror of MY consciousness.
That's neat and all, but going nuts and getting neat feelings are not the same sort of thing I am interested in. To me that falls in the realm of make believe, roleplay and self deception. If that's what you guys are into more power to you.
But in IIH you go all the way to having the fireball being not the size of a house, not the size of the Earth, not the size of the Sun, not the size of the Galaxy but the size of the entire damn Universe and condensing all of that fire and heat into your body for several breathes. If you can actually do that then you effectively become the embodiment of the Will and Omnipotence of God incarnate in a physical body.
I'll take: "things that have never ever happened in the history of this system to anyone who attempted it for $500" Alex.
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Oh shit, MPG found out people were discussing yin chi! Abort! Abort!
I've no idea whether the Magnetic Fluid is or isn't the same energy as MP's Yin Chi (although I have speculated before), but it's described as having the same subjective experience:
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Who knows, I haven't seen any hermeticists display any profound abilities recently, if they are able to develop any they keep it quite.
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So you're saying there's absolutely no risk in doing so?
No odds are you might very well die even under the supervision of a master like Chang. If you can not maintain absolute stillness during level 4 you will die.
But you are going to die anyway, it doesn't really matter.
You might as well spend your time here trying to address the core problem of death and rebirth, at least that has some meaning and purpose to it.
Nothing else you can do in this life does.
It's all just a game of make believe, distraction, entertainment and self deception to keep your mind from thinking about where this is all headed, you being ripped apart and swallowed alive by the black hole of death.
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And level 2? 3?
The whole mo pai system if you had accurate teachings could be accomplished alone.
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Which makes them (Jim at least, I'm fairly sure Kosta blew the whole thing off) teachers. I'm talking about people following guides online with absolutely no personal guidance.
You don't need personal guidance, you need accurate and complete teachings, you also need mental focus, determination (anti-ADHD) and an IQ above 50.
Mo pai level one isn't rocket surgery.
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Thundergooch treats it as scripture so yes, it's his scripture
I actually created a thread just for this purpose if you want to continue to argue.
http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/
I think it would be healthy to purge this out of your system.
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But that's exactly my point, without a teacher, you have no way of knowing whether your instructions come from someone who's being honest and has good intentions.
Both Jim and Kosta being students of Chang know what Chang taught them.
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So then no you can't use the Magus or Jims book to defend yourself. Thanks.
He explained to me, “Your yin comes from the earth and you need to be connected to it.” He said I have to sit outside on the ground. This was somewhat troubling because where I live it snows about twice a year and rains a lot, so while he was telling me this I was trying to figure how I was going to be able to do it. He also told me yang comes from the air and enters the energy point on the top of your head. And it needs to be equally balanced with my yin which enters another energy point at the area of your perineum.
McMillan, Jim Seeking the Master of Mo Pai (p. 178).
“Where does yin ch’i come from?” Andreas asked.
“From the earth. The yin comes from the earth. It is some kind of field phenomenon that feeds our lifeforce. It can be blocked by insulators. For example, if you have a carpet made from synthetic materials in your house, the yin ch’i cannot pass through it. That’s not so good for your health. “The yin ch’i enters the body through an acupuncture point that we call hui yin, he added. “It’s located between the urinary tract and the anus.”
Danaos, Kosta The Magus of Java (p. 104).
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Can you quote scripture to back up your claim of not being able to advance past level 1? Exact scripture? Thanks.
I could quote private emails with Jim, but I won't do that. I was told verbatim that if I meditated ungrounded I would not develop correctly and need to repeat that time I spent meditating ungrounded again while grounded.
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As you can see its entirely possible in mo pai to complete level 1, ......without grounding.
It is not. You will not develop correctly to complete level one and will have to repeat it while grounded.
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I'm actually honored that an official mo pai member is here on the board. I find it awesome that John charged you personally to defend and uphold the mo pai core belief on yin qi. To Thundergooch! May you continue to defend and honor the mo pai the way that John wants and congrats on receiving the status of teacher
Thanks will do.
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Sorta feels like your trolling your own thread. Considering you know the response that's about to come of this.
Anytime mo pai is brought up it's a fight, I am used to it.
What Does Yin Energy Feel Like? How Do You Cultivate it?
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BS.
Being stripped to a shirt, checked for metal with a metal detector, and taken to a random location to reconfirm your abilities by the head of the mind science foundation, a medical doctor and a biophysicist?
In my opinion that is very compelling.