Thunder_Gooch

This is a rebuttal of a moderator warning received by Dawei.

 

I didn't direct my post here at any member, nor at the TTB community in general.

 

That was a summary of my experience both in real life, and my interactions with virtually every community online.

and trance is not something you want to cultivate - for most of us it is something you definitely want to avoid -

 

 

Most people aren't looking for something real.

 

Most people are just wanting to keep themselves entertained in a spiritual sense through make believe and role play.

 

As such most people do want to avoid practices which use deep trance.

 

People who spread blatant disinformation have earned my contempt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Countless different Qigong and meditation exercises exist. All teach the basic idea of using consciousness to go into the emptiness where thoughts ultimately cease or greatly diminish and sensory connections to our bodies fade. We and everything in our world are all from the emptiness and will go back to the emptiness. It is a state of pure energy where we are one with the universe. Our bodies naturally direct us to the emptiness. When we get sick, for example, the first place we go is not to the hospital, but to bed. When we sleep, we feel relaxed and peaceful. We bring our mind and body into the emptiness. Everybody does this automatic meditation without noticing it during sleep and periods of deep relaxation. Most of our daily energy blockages are opened and resolved in this way

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

“You know how in meditation we slow down our breathing and our pulse? It’s because we move more and more into our yin consciousness.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will enter total meditation—like the borderline between sleep and waking, okay?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

“What is actual meditation like?” I asked.

 

“There are no thoughts and there is no sense of time. If you are

thinking, you are not in meditation. If you are aware of yourself, you

are also not in meditation. You must become like a baby in the womb,

there and yet not there. Meditation is like the borderline between

sleep and waking, between consciousness and unconsciousness.”

 

“Very difficult.”

 

“Not so difficult, Kosta. You stayed in meditation for long peri-

ods when you were an embryo and a baby, and you pass through it

now each time you drift off to sleep. You just have to remember how.”

 

Danaos, Kosta The Magus of Java (p. 82)

When one pours gasoline on a fire he will eventually run out of gasoline.

 

When the fire grows it will spread.

 

Burning everything in its path.

 

Including my problems.

 

Or we can be silly, that works too.

Why lecture less?

I feel that the word meditation I'm Tue eastern sense does not mean to sit and clear the mind in x position for x amount of time.

 

Might as well read: "the best way to put out a fire is to pour gasoline on it"

 

Thoughts?

 

 

You should empty your cup, and lecture less.

 

 

 

 

I'm not pretending adept. I've bent over backwards to help people who are serious, and want something real to find it. Sadly it's mostly just apes flinging feces.

 

 

No dawei this isn't aimed at any TTB member, nor the community here.

 

 

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I did win Green Tiger.

 

 

 

 

 

But do those methods have any youtube videos of newspaper being set on fire? I mean that's the really important question....

Again Aeran you either want something real or you want to play make believe.

 

I'll remind you that the head of the mind science foundation, a medical doctor, and a biophysicist were present, he was stripped to a shirt and checked with a metal detector then taken to a random location. It being a youtube video does nothing to change this fact.

 

Doesn't that logic apply to everything else then? If any spiritual/energetic practice which doesn't work towards immortality is useless, roleplay etc. then surely any other activity which doesn't work towards the same goal is also useless, roleplay etc.

Yup. The whole point of life is to distract ourselves till death it seems.

 

Almost no one on earth wants to be something more than a rotting pile of flesh.

The man in that Magus of Java quote for example - his abilities weren't much compared to Chang, but he still did some pretty crazy stuff, especially compared to people who don't cultivate at all. He certainly wasn't 'roleplaying.'

He spent his whole life to develop parlor tricks, and will die like a dog just like everyone else.

 

I see it as a form of spiritual entertainment.

 

But not everyone can be a billionaire - and a lot of people are happy with their metaphorical upper middle class lifestyle. If that's all they want then more power to them (so to speak).

People are satisfied playing make believe, more power to them. Some people want something real.

 

Not trying to accomplish anything my a$$.

 

The point being lot's of people try real hard with things that don't work.

 

People make a big deal out out really mediocre results, which they probably would have realized the same had they worked hard with any type of placebo practice.

 

I think this sums up my feelings on the matter pretty well:

 

 

 

“What happened then?” I asked.

 

“Nothing. The man had lost the contest.”

 

“Did he become John’s student?”

 

“No. He was too proud.”

 

“Do you know why the man lost?” John asked suddenly from

behind us. He had crept up silently and was listening in.

 

“Because he had only yang ch’i?” I replied.

 

“That’s correct. He was a dedicated practitioner, but he didn’t

have all the proper information. What he did was ch’ikung, but not

neikung. A man can train all his life and not get anywhere unless he

is correct in his training.

 

The Magus of Java p97

 

 

The one with the least stress and most joy at the end of the day, wins .

 

That seems to be the general consensus, people practice mostly as far as I can see as a form of entertainment. They aren't really trying to accomplish anything.

 

For me that's not good enough.

Let's put this in terms of money.

 

A lot of people who have a good income may think they are well off.

 

You may own a house, a car, and have no debt even, perhaps even a few hundred thousand in an IRA or whatever.

 

Yes compared to child who starves to death sleeping on a dirt floor you are doing pretty good.

 

However in the grand scheme of things... How does an upper middle class individual fair compared to a millionaire?

 

It's about the same as the relationship an upper middle class individual compares to a starving child in abject poverty.

 

Then what about the relationship to the billionaires to an upper middle class individual, it doesn't even compute.

 

 

That's what I am getting at.

 

 

You guys are making a big deal out of people who achieved an upper middle class lifestyle, and I am pointing out the difference in wealth compared to a billionaire.

I am off of this thread now

That's wonderful!

 

 

Your welcome to come over to:

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

 

You are welcome to rant, rave, troll, argue, debate, or whatever else you would like there.

Anyway...keep going.

 

 

Though I was looking more for articles about full blown tumors suddenly shrinking dramatically or vanishing.

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/27/health/27canc.html

 

 

"A young man may have a lump in his testicle, but when doctors remove the organ all they find is a big scar. The tumor that was there is gone. Or, they see a large scar and a tiny tumor because more than 95 percent of the tumor had disappeared on its own by the time the testicle was removed."

 

http://ispub.com/IJPA/8/1/10901

 

"Spontaneous regression of cancer is one of the most fascinating phenomenons observed in medicine, where the malignant tissue mass partially or completely disappears without treatment.12 Spontaneous regression has been documented for many types of cancers, it is postulated that an intriguing but extremely effective mechanism is engaged in eradicating cancer cells after the development of advanced malignancy."

I've certainly met and talked to people who've given there whole life over to their practices.

That means nothing.

 

“What happened then?” I asked.

 

“Nothing. The man had lost the contest.”

 

“Did he become John’s student?”

 

“No. He was too proud.”

 

“Do you know why the man lost?” John asked suddenly from

behind us. He had crept up silently and was listening in.

 

“Because he had only yang ch’i?” I replied.

 

“That’s correct. He was a dedicated practitioner, but he didn’t

have all the proper information. What he did was ch’ikung, but not

neikung. A man can train all his life and not get anywhere unless he

is correct in his training.

 

The Magus of Java p97

 

They're hardcore in my eyes

You could be the most hardcore competition needle pointer and have olympic gold needlepoint medals to confirm it, doesn't mean your practice does anything to develop your spirit.

 

These guys you are talking about, it's great they've dedicated their lives to something but it doesn't mean they have anything to show for it.

 

Tumors shrinking on their own? Sources please.

 

 

http://dartmed.dartmouth.edu/spring09/html/disc_remission.php

 

"When cancer suddenly disappears, people may call it a miracle. But a recent study by three physician-researchers from DMS and Norway found that spontaneous remission of breast cancer is actually quite common. More than one in five invasive cancers detected in the study by mammography vanished without ever being treated."

 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312698/

 

"The spontaneous healing of cancer is a phenomenon that has been observed for hundreds and thousands of years and after having been the subject of many controversies, it is now accepted as an indisputable fact."

This reminds me of religious fanatics.

 

Do want something real, or do you want systems no one has ever accomplished anything with?

 

Most people I meet are engaged in a game of make believe, and live their lives out pretending they will accomplish something via their spiritual practices.

 

They wind up dying like dogs like everyone else, but at least they were entertained for the ride.

 

Some people want something real, that actually leads somewhere.

Actually I was not trying to be a troll.

 

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Please keep going

 

 

I was referring more to the bumping of this thread than your comment, tbh.

Trolls go back and rekindle old threads just cause.

 

I've already made up my mind concerning your practice. I'm not interested in self-induced hallucinations.

I'm not talking about hallucinations, you can come see for yourself if you feel this way.