Thunder_Gooch

I'd have to say your wife is mistaken. People may believe they see something, I am not questioning that. I am saying they are mistaken.

I would say he is wrong without question. He might be correct insofar as his schools teach, but if he says that you can feel a yin chi in a normal state of awareness he's just wrong. What he is describing could not by definition be the same thing described in mo pai.

As far I as can tell what people call yin is really just yang or some variation thereof. Common usage is wrong, that's not Chang's fault, then again mo pai was never really intended for common usage.

It's more like this: I say gold is a yellow metal, that is very rare, very dense, and very heavy. All these people are holding up brass and saying look it's GOLD!!!! I am saying no it's not gold because it lacks the density and volume that gold has. You can weigh it, and see how much water it displaces and figure out if it is real gold or not. Archimedes was said to have had a eureka moment over this. Still these people are insisting NO ITS A YELLOW METAL THIS IS GOLD! That's more akin to the situation.

I guess it boils down to credibility. If a teacher demonstrated god like abilities to scientists and medical doctors and had thousands of published studies, and no one on earth doubted his level of advancement. If that teacher told you that virtually everyone else on earth was wrong, deciding to believe him or not is your call. When two people have conflicting statements, I go for the person with the most evidence backing them. That's just me though.

Not based on assumption, but rather fact. The sources are from one of the most advanced beings alive on earth, one of the few who agreed to be investigated by scientists and medical doctors.

It is a case of two completely different things sharing one name, and people getting confused over it.

Well it isn't directed at anyone here in particular. Imagine you met a God like being, who came down and demonstrated abilities like walking through walls, the ability to fly, heal stage 4 cancer instantly, virtually anything you can imagine. And he told you that even he couldn't see an aura unless he was using near his maximum potential. Then the group of people next to you spurt out with well DUH you are wrong cause I can see auras... Lot's of people claim lots of things, and lots of people claim they know better than the most advanced beings on earth, doesn't make it so. Most of these people who claim to see spirits in waking consciousness, feel yin energy, see auras, even if told directly by such a god like being they were delusional would only argue with the teacher and call him a fraud. That's sort of what I am getting at.

Lot's of people claim to be able to feel yin and what they call yin energy may be a real energy. The problem here is what Chang refers to as yin energy is something else altogether. Two separate things sharing the same name here is causing massive confusion.

Again I will give you people can believe they see something, but I've seen all sorts of silly newage people claim to see all sorts of silly things.

The most advanced being on the planet that we know of at this point is only able to perceive an aura when he unleashes his full potential, normally he does demonstrations with less than 1% of his maximum ability. People who think they can see auras are deluding themselves.

It's possible to believe you see it sure I will give you that.

I really wish that Chang had called yin energy something else. The nature of the energy he describes as yin is such that it cannot possibly be directly experienced by a human mind. It can only be felt as it interacts with the yang in the body, not directly. The only exception to this I know if is via the deepest most profound depths of trance and stillness. (or the person has achieved fusion of yin and yang) Lot's of people (a famous teacher even), claim you can feel and absorb yin energy on an airplane, ungrounded, on a plastic seat, 10,000 feet in the air, or while moving around doing exercises. What Chang describes as yin can only be obtained via direct electrical contact with the earth, and synthetic materials block it's flow, and only then during the deepest depths of trance. The fact still remains that whatever it is these guys are "feeling" and calling yin, and what Chang are calling yin is not the same energy. I think we need new terminology to avoid serious confusion.

I think trance is popular, but wildly misunderstood by most. Most people I talk to hear the word trance and think they can achieve it by mantra or repetition of some activity. That isn't the same state I am referencing to. The state between waking and sleeping, it's something we each pass through for a split second before we lose consciousness at night. The trick is learning to keep a foot on either side of the doorway. I've met a lot of people who claim to see spirits, based on my own experience unless they were in profoundly deep states of trance I think probably these entities were imagined. Perhaps the imagination was inspired by subconscious communication with the conscious mind, and it is accurate but I don't think it is the result of direct observation of yin energy.

I wish I had a better explanation for you. When you are moving around and aware you are experiencing your yang consciousness, and it just is not possible to experience yin at all via the yang consciousness. You can look at paintings which make you feel emotions, of a woman, a dark moon, a deep night, or the earth. You can even say, these things I am looking at are yin. However the energy it is being perceived with is 100% yang energy. In yang consciousness only extremely dense fields of yin can be perceived, only then by their interaction with the yang energy in your body. This is much the same way that you can't see a magnetic field, yet if using a ferrofluid you can see it's interactions with it. After yin and yang are fused as one you can more directly perceive yin energy in the environment in normal waking consciousness. The only exception to this I am aware of is during the deepest depths of trance where breathing stops completely, in perfect total and absolute stillness. During this state you can perceive the yin aspect more so than in waking awareness.

The only exception to this rule that I know of is that in the most profound and deepest depths of trance you are more in your yin consciousness, only then that I am aware of can yin entities and the yin side of reality be more directly perceived. This isn't a state most people will ever experience in their lifetimes however, as most forms of meditation don't take you there, and most people scoff at trance as useless to their path.

You don't. That is the thing. Yin energy is not perceptible as your consciousness itself is made of 100% pure yang energy. You can only perceive it's interaction with the yang in your body. This is much the same as how you can't see a magnetic field without something like a ferrofluid, but it can never be seen directly by your eyes.

With 100 percent certainty, you are wrong. Yin can only be perceived by it's interaction with the yang energy in our bodies. Our consciousness itself is 100% pure yang energy. If you believe you are feeling yin energy, it is a sure sign that you are not. You can call energy you feel yin because you believe it so, but that doesn't mean you are correct. 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% Of all people on earth will never fuse their yin and yang energies as one, and will never directly perceive yin energy.

Well normally they can't, but yet it is the fusion of the two as one that is the goal of the system I study.

Right now your consciousness itself is made of 100% pure yang energy. That being the case you cannot perceive yin at all. Imagine trying to see pure darkness using a flashlight. Once yin and yang are fused as one in your body your consciousness will be able to perceive yin energy directly. As it stands now Yin energy can only be felt by yin's indirect interaction on the yang energy in your body.

They are not the same:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQT7_rVxAE

I watched the video but it didn't do much for me to be honest. Just some Hippy declaring the revolution is going to happen and voting is stupid and stuff. It might rile up the ones already riled up, but it's going to take watching people they love brutally murdered by military police, starving to death, and hell on earth to bring about a real revolution if it even happens then. You don't get just how docile, ignorant and stupid the vast majority of our population really is. They'd rather devour a bucket of KFC than take a day off work to go protest something they don't really understand anyway. The situation we are in so insane you just have to laugh, because that's about all you can do.

I am not upset, just saying happy people never revolt. Obviously people are just happy enough, just content enough to stop them from revolting, otherwise we would have passed the tipping point by now. We are force medicated sodium fluoride to increase docility and reduce intelligence. Our foods are sprayed with fluoride compounds, and it's in many medicines as well. People get depressed they get medication. People are depressed they smoke pot and drink. People are upset, but not upset enough to rock the boat (obviously). Who wants to be a Snowden and give up a cushy upper middle class lifestyle to wake people up, and run and hide the rest of your natural life as a consequence? Who wants wants to paint themselves a target? Most people just want to live their lives and be left alone. Not until they watch people they love brutally murdered by military police under marital law, till they are starving and looking death in the face, not until they have lost everything, not until then will we see a real revolution.

You mean like operation wall street.... Yeah that worked out real well. The problem is people won't move if they are comfortable, and most people are comfortable. They are still making enough money to cram their face with junkfood and cheap bear and watch honey boo-boo as their brain cells shrivel up and die by the thousands. That is your average American citizen, an idiotic mouth breathing imbecile who has no idea WTF is going on. Until these dip****s are force fed the red pill there will be no revolution. I don't care what history book you quote, that's reality.