Mokona

Hi Owledge

Yes, fear. I've had it lots. Stopped me many times..

 

After I 'met Jesus' and got annointed by the Holy Spirit, I started to see demons.

 

One night I had prayed in tongues for two hours. Then I went to bed. Just as I was ready to fall asleep, a small boy floated up beside the bed. I asked it "Who are you?". It said "What does it matter?". I said "I bind you in the name of Jesus Christ", and then suddenly the image of the small boy vanished and I found myself looking at what resembled a demon. It had a long snout like a crocodile, and big long teeth. Reptilian. It took a snap at me with it's jaws and then turned and vanished. After that I was binding everything I saw in the astral.. At first there was fear, but after I realized that Jesus is always there, always there, I no longer feared. However, the whole notion that perhaps demons actually did exists, and that perhaps some of what the Bible was saying might have actually been true caused me much grief. So, gradually I abandoned the whole religious thing. However, Jesus is always there, even now.. and the Holy Spirit too. There are many beings in the higher planes..

 

Another time, about 20 or more years ago, I wanted to know what the star was above the head. Everybody was talking about it. So, one afternoon I sat on my lazy body and said to myself, "I'm not getting up until I realize that star on the top of the head." So I sat there and focused on the point about 1 foot above the head and just kept focusing there with all my might. Well, three and half hours later I 'popped' out of the top of my head. I found myself in this huge open dark blue space, like I was in outer space. I had the immense fear that I had died. I could not overcome it. I quit the meditation and got up out of the chair. It took me a few years to get over that fear.. actually, more like 15 years.. In later meditations I came accross the same open space, and once I had overcome my fear of dying, I even jumped into that void. I did 'bounce' right back out, because it actually isn't just open space. There is a kind of clear luminous cellophane which prevented me from falling out of the location where my body should have been.

 

Another time, recently, when I was practising "neither grasping nor averting" during a late night meditation, the whole top of my consciousness dissolved downwards into the heart. It felt like I was dying or going to pass out. No more consciousness. So, I stopped the meditation. But then, I researched that experience and discovered that Alan Wallace talked about exactly that experience. It is the moment when coarse consciousness dissolves into the alaya or substrate consciousness.. Gradually, I discovered more sources on the experience and convinced my mind that it really wasn't going to die.

 

That's what I do. If I have an experience that causes me confusion or fear, I research it and learn as much as I can about it.

 

That is all in an effort to convince my and help it assimilate the experience.. Sometimes it takes a long time..

 

There was one experience that still causes me 'fear'. It was when i was doing a practice of changing my visual focus every 1/2 a second, while walking through a lovely trail in the forrest. After doing that type of practice, not remaining on any one visual scene long enough for the conceptual mind to firmly grasp onto it, I went shopping. When I entered the store, all of a sudden the whole inside of the store appeared to me as if it was a dream. It was like looking at the bakery section from inside a tunnel or condensed image, like I had fallen asleep and was dreaming being in the store. That caused me allot of fear. I waited for about 3 minutes and fought real hard, then gradually regained normalcy. But, the whole idea that I could be doing something and suddenly the whole of reality could 'condense' into the tunnel-like vision that resembled a dream scared the shit out of me. What if that happened while I was driving? Or crossing the street?

 

However, that practice, being in the present moment and not giving the mind enough time to grasp and start the conceptual dialog, is a practice that Eckhart Tolle wrote about in "Practising the Power of Now". And, as it turns out, it is also the 'secret Buddhist/Dzogchen' practice called "fresh awareness" or staying in the first moment when you refresh your awareness and take a new interest in the absolute present. I think that practice is probably the most powerful one for shattering the mind. And, it helps if you do it in circumstances that you love, like the forrest, or a natural setting.. (and then don't drive for a few hours after doing it.. LOL)

 

And, yes, I have had experiences that I thought I was losing my mind. Especially after witnessing miracles, like healings and bizarre cases of synchronicity. But it always seems to come back..

 

I think it helps that I don't drink, don't do drugs and haven't for over 35 years.. And, I have a very strong mind and will.

 

And, actually, if you have a strange experience, just start researching Buddhist writings. You're bound to find the experience written in some of the books. It's all old hat to them.

 

TI

I can't say for sure but had heard that when out of body, or anything out of body can change visual shape, and that it is normal practice.

I've been exploring the depths of my conciousness since I was very young. I have explored lucid dreaming, auras, mind melding. I've long moved beyond drugs and pop culture spirituality, and into serious yoga and energy practice. I believe and connect with a deep sense of purpose (most days), and meaning in the apparent meaninglessness and beauty of life.

 

I have never had a "spiritual" experience. Never have communicated with guides, or have purposefully left my body. I don't really care what happens to me after I die, and I have no interest in immortality or knowing what's next. I have a cynical belief that our biological rejection of arbitrary existence has driven us to intellectualize and philosophize too many complicated belief systems. I am happy with uncertainty, and that's good, because it's mostly what there is. Of course, certainty is possible, as all possibilities are.

 

Have you had a "spiritual experience" that has solidified any ideas, truths or beliefs? Have you been able to shoot ghosts out of your head that tell you what color car you should buy? Have you astral surfed the cosmic waves of love energy untill your heart chakra exploded into all encompassing emptiness and nirvanic bliss? Has your dead cat contacted you to tell you she hated fancy feast?

My spirit guide has forceably and on multiple occasions caused my body/energy to bliss out, has spoken through me, communicated to my mind and communicated with a few of my friends.

I find it very strange that she stook around for as long as she did(she is still around sometimes) becuase i'm only a beginner. It really solidified my beliefs though.

When conversating at work with cooworkers.. and a powerful, warm energy swoops in.. and feels loving.. and the 2nd chakra starts to blast bliss... People used to think I was dehydrated and passing out at work.

I've nearly OBE'd several times but always get to frightened when on the threshold. It's so freeeaky!

EDIT: I've never done illegal drugs. I use Aspirin or Motrin for headaches and that's probably the worst of it.

.....Then I found this Shaolin Master that just "happened" to be starting a teaching about 3 minutes from my house just when i started looking for a teacher. For some time I was his only student.......

Damnit! I tried meetup.com but couldn't find anyone teaching or groups practcing near my home. You lucky dog!

Right, if you say so. Just saying here that i've made enough progress without outside guidance or instruction other than book reading and practice that the answer is probably much different from what you suppose in your argument. IMO, anyway.

I am researching the topic of 3rd eye. The few sources I've read speak of Buddhist 3rd eye. What is the Taoist equivalent?

Really, what method you use depends on the body of the person who mapped the area before you using internal sensing, sort of meditation or further guidance from someone who mapped it before him or her. Either wise you can use any method that has created success for the students who've tried it, and if you get really into a technique and start experiementing further, you may map out more of the energy structures in your head than the person whom you've been studying.

Taoist, buddhist - it doesn't matter.

I've seen a correlation between NEW(Robert Bruce and methods) and chi kung breating along the body and limbs - many practices overlap each other becuase the energy body doesn't seem to change too very much from person to person.

http://www.irva.org/library/pdfs/morris2010anomalous.pdf

 

Newly declassified remote viewing research -- proving that yes the CIA and military funded paranormal spying after successful scientific replication.

It's a wierd function, experimented online with a friend who lived in Norway, the image that appeared seemd to warp and shake but black leather gloves hanging on his wall were unmistakable. We were both thoroughly satisfied.

Thanks for the Link Drew.

I thought the point of the post was to find someone willing to take up the challenge. Redgardless of how you feel about the prize money, isn't it more interesting if someone steps up to complete the challenge? Why are so many posts focused away from that simple point?

Don't you dare answer me with exclamation marks. (Dorian)

I'm wondering about the phenomenon of seeing colors and moving patterns with closed eyes and its origins. Can it be explained purely with mainstream medical science, or are there ways to distinguish what is caused by other things, like excess energy in the head or whatever.

I've read somewhere that myopia can cause this, too.

 

Myself, I sometimes for example see in darkness a circle starting from the rim of my view, moving inwards and once reaching the center, a new ring will form and move inwards, in an inerval of a few seconds.

Besides that, it's never completely black. There's always some activity of faint, random fields of brightness. Not like when pressing on the eyeballs - much more subtle, but kinda related in style.

My buddy Matt reports seeing a small glow when his eyes are closed in blackness and his hands pass infront of his face(during chi kung)

I've noticed it, albiet not as noticably. I had not really payed it any mind until he mentioned it. Also, when directing intent within the body, sometimes bright or not so bright imagery appears. Depends on the area and that areas development I gather. The imagery does a great job of lining itself up with the actual feelings within the body.

It's easier when the breathing is increased or the emotions pumped via Secret Smile. Oh, I see -K- mentioned it, too.

think I get this (I cant even think properly) after a few hours of spontaneous movements or zazen or walking sometimes.

 

But always after I go an do some workshop (didgeridoo) and usually women (of a spiritual nature are there) I feel drunk, Im pretty sure the energy has all gone above my head/at my third eye.

You know, I have had similar moments when being sent energy from the higher chakras. Some of my favorites were uncontrolled and powerful deep laughter from deep in my belly. Not sure what to make of it. It's a very different laugh in nature from what my body uses in any other situation. Interesting since humour isn't always involvded either.

My favorite transmission was a confident loving feeling that was sent into my chest from a wonderful spirit guide of mine. I've never felt so certain of my everystep and action. I just felt "full" as well as loving and confident.

Chi/shen/Jing are wonderful things...

Yeah right. That's why you admire and celebrate and cherish his unique personality so much and keep stating how superior he is in comparison to others. You have adopted some personality traits from him. Not an uncommon thing though for a student following a teacher's program.

I'm wondering how much personality change comes from the Qi Gong itself. After all, its focus on grounding, forceful condensing, accumulation of raw power matches the characteristic personality.

Might be the same process that causes many external martial artists to have an inflated ego. Too much focus on one side of the coin. All technique, no philosophy.

Imagine a Bruce Lee who didn't care at all for philosophy and character building. He probably would have become an uncontrollable self-asorbed killing machine, bragging that he has the deadliest punch on earth, eventually wondering whether he can really rip someone's heart out and trying to replicate Mortal Kombat finishing moves out of curiosity and being drunk from his own awesomeness.

Actuall,y i've always thought Dorian comes off as a paid advertiser of Gary's products. I'm fairly certain he is paid to advertise on every post like he does. He might make a small percentage for everytime he can mention a DVD or technique, or get a cut everytime someone orders from one of his links. I've never even seen the most satisfied of customers act this way.

how much do we have to pay Stig to copy and paste his facebook material to thetaobums? haha.

 

i don't have facebook and I don't plan on it.

 

If anyone on ttb can c/p that info -- then just do it -- it's free!!

 

Yeah but know it has to be some "secret" information. haha.

 

Science is based on open protocols - that anyone can access -- sure sometimes you might have to go to a University library to access a journal.

 

For example I could find no academic library in the Twin Cities that had Dr. David Palmer's article on Falun Gong - so I mailed a letter to Dr. Palmer and then he mailed me a copy of the article.

 

So it's just considered academic protocol to make the information publically available upon request -- be it interlibrary loan or whatever.

 

Ummm this whole thing is starting to smell of the James Randi "challenge" test which has been exposed as fake:

 

http://dailygrail.com/features/the-myth-of-james-randis-million-dollar-challenge

 

Oh yeah James Randi attacked Chunyi Lin without knowing anything about him! haha.

 

Someone complained to James Randi because Chunyi Lin was teaching qigong to the employees at the person's place of work - based on the reference of Chunyi Lin having taught the Mayo Clinic doctors qigong.

 

So anyway it's kind of like arch-skeptic PZ Myers, a Minnesota professor, who has attacked Spring Forest Qigong yet Myers refuses to go "test" Chunyi Lin even though they live in the same state. haha. The skeptics just hide while Chunyi Lin is openly healing people etc.

 

O.K. Stig what about Effie P. Chow's youtube vid of pushing a whole group of people using her chi energy?

 

I know Effie P. Chow is a real qigong master - -when I saw her in 1995 a University security guard wandered in when everyone was leaving - she said she wondered what was going in as the fuse in the room behind Effie P. Chow was blown. haha.

 

Oh yeah I know you want "scientific protocol" but I doubt anyone could establish a "double blind" standard for any qigong test since no one knows what qi energy is -- so no one could rule out telepathy or precognition or some kind of spirit communication, etc. In other words anyone involved with the test could somehow be affecting the results.

 

So that's why Chunyi Lin's scientific test was "gold standard" which is randomized, controlled but that is not double blind.

Drew,

Please see my response to D-man. Or use a friends access to Facebook. You can borrow the password and username for the research.

2013.

According to the kinetic wave phenomens I can feel in my body thanks to Gary's Nei Kung system, I'm sure that he can use and produce that vibration in such a magnitude and concentration, that he can knock people out with it.

Why don't you contact him directly and tell him the exact details of your challenge, which I still don't know because I can't access facebook!?

If it's like "knocking several people out with fajin under the watch of a scientist in Chicago and then he gets $1.5 million guaranteed", he's maybe interested!

 

 

 

If I develop Fajin because of Gary's training, the first test object will be a big bull or a big horse and it will be filmed, to be unable to fool myself.

Brother,

You must be kidding. Just make a Facebook account. If you don't want your personal information - make a fake one with a one time use email address. Just pull out a pencil and piece of paper so you don't forget your login and passwords. I just want to scream, you can teach yourself Chi Kung and NieGung but you can't figure out Facebook? It's 2013!

During the workshop I attended, Gary did the demonstration you can see in the videos, in front of that fence, on exactly one member of the group, and that was the new and super-enthusiastic Clyman fan LittlePie. (I'm not sure whether I asked for the demo after it, but I wanted to, but after the demo lunch time was the dominant topic.)

 

What I'm saying is that just because some of what he does is impressive, it doesn't have to mean that all of it is based on the same internal energetics stuff. Since Clyman himself stated that he judges his healing technique's outcome by observation alone, that he cannot 'feel into' the person, combined with Gary's personality, I wouldn't exclude the possibility that he might delude himself sometimes into thinking he used internal energy when in fact it was more due to other factors, like external mechanics (technique) and 'placebo' effect.

I remember that after he did his treatment on me, he had already assumed an attitude of 'Hah?! Didn't I tell you? How do you feel NOW? Much better, no?' - But reality was that I didn't feel relieved. Any changes in my feeling would be below error threshold.

So to some degree, Gary is flying blind and shaping his reality based on expectation due to past experience. Since that seems to also be at least part of what gives him his confidence, I was not surprised that the whole confidence thing has some interesting blemishes.

 

Going back to the demo in the video. First: It LOOKS completely ordinary. I assume the 'real' part of the demo is supposed to be felt as energy by the recipient. But this makes it subjective, and it can become very suggestive in combination with what Gary told the guy before doing his thing. He was prepping him massively with expectation and momentary reaction. It is not suitable as objective evidence of his abilities.

Thank you.

That doesn't make sense or assist the OP. Do you see where I liked my own post? it's becuase I know what i've said to be true.

Good luck, if you want to work with chi, it's so very easy to start!

I missed this post. More than likely you'll come across your own answers depending on your practice. Even MCO practice is similiar to holding form in the gym. How you practice and what you practice(and how often) will determine your rate of success for your other post.

Suggest additional reading on "Secret Smile" as a booster for your current practice. Also, would suggest supplementing MCO with energy sensing outside your body, ie; palm palpatations are a good start, and can be used on plants as practice(you study Botany) and your own body and is wonderful once you understand what these things feel like.

Effects of chi kung and nei gung on the body are varied and range through widely - may be able to suggest further reading if you want to know what signs to look for.

Good luck in finding information, and luck in your practice.

Beauty is in subjectiveness of the beholder.

 

"My government is the world's leading purveyor of violence." Martin Luther King

 

The USA has the largest prison system in the world.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

 

More than half of all U.S. prisoners have been incarcerated for nonviolent offenses. Most are first-time offenders, usually people who possessed small quantities of marijuana or conscious altering psychotropic substances. Many get "punked out" and sold into slavery as sex partners for the duration of their often lengthy imprisonments. What kind of hateful society does such a thing to people for minor, victimless crimes?

 

　

"As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free." Eugene V. Debs

 

Ponder on this,....Although polls, such as the American Religious Identification Survey, suggest that 14% of the American population are Atheist/Freethinkers, US prisons house only 0.2% Atheists. 91.1% of US prisoners are Judeo-Islamo-Christians, of which 79.76% Christians. That leaves only 8.7% for all other religions (Hindi's, Buddhists, Wiccans, Scientologists, Rasta, American Indian, Sikhs, etc

Hehe,

Your such a downer, V! :-D

Where orgonite is concerned, my buddy Matt made a few pyramids, he can feel the difference when practicing chi kung with his and he sent me one to use as well. I've also heard that Ram Das on Facebook makes excellent quality Orgonite, i'll know soon anyway. Right now i'm practicing Secret Smile, internal alchemy and the Micro Cosmic Orbit. Can anyone suggest how to best use Orgonite in these practices?

The supplemental stuff like energy sensing inside the body and out is still difficult for me, and I haven't developed lots of interal or external "seeing" of energy as of yet. Feeling energy is different as I can feel a bit inside and out, and can pulse and squeeze the chi with my palms. I have trouble noticing the difference palpating energy around orgonite, though. Any tips?

Drinking it. It will cause your entire digestive system to purge all of the solids from your stomach straight through the intestines. By the second or third day of the fast you are purging material that was previously lining/caked on the intestinal wall. The only trick to it is finding the right balance of salt, which I think varies a bit by person.

Lets talk about this salt water thing. I've heard of it before. Does it have an official name?

 

 

 

The problem of studying Ancient Egyptian symbols or texts, without modern interpretation that is, is that the Egyptians themselves supplied no commentary or narrative explaining what exactly it was that they were talking about. In fact it is this lack of any description of practices or states of mind or being which caused many egyptologists to claim that there was no spirituality in Egypt at all! This despite the Greek writers saying the Egyptians were the most religious and spiritual people they encountered.

 

The reason the Egyptians didn't explain themselves or spell it out for us is simple, it was embedded cultural knowledge. In other words they just assumed that everyone would basically understand what was behind their symbols and writing. It has to be remembered that although the Egyptians were among the first to use writing and were prolific recorders of everything, the concept of 'you only know it if it is written down' comes from later times. If they thought that 'everyone knows this' they would not bother spelling it out. This leaves a big gap to be filled, the need to provide a modern narrative or commentary.

 

It is possible to demonstrate that the Egyptians only began to record what they were doing when this embedded cultural knowledge was beginning to be lost. This is the reason that the Pyramid Texts only appear in the small pyramids at the end of the Fifth Dynasty and Sixth Dynasty which led up to the cultural and social collapse of the the First Intermediate Period (brought on probably by climate change). Similarly the Book of the Dead was only codified and put in a definite order and number of Chapters in the 26^th dynasty (about 600-500 BC) (what is called the Saite Recension) – and this is almost a 1000 years after the book first appeared! And indeed some of the chapters relate back to parts of the Pyramid Texts which first appeared 2350 BC making them then about 1700 years old. What is amazing is that these same texts were still in use throughout this period of time.

 

So you will not find any genuine ancient texts or symbols which show directly what practice to do or how to understand the principles of what they were doing.

 

However there is a lot of compelling evidence to show that what they were describing is shamanic in origin and also that certain key texts describe what we would call energy work or cultivation. Another writer Jeremy Naydler in his book “Shamanic Wisdom in the Pyramid Texts” has demonstrated how applying phenomenological processes to understanding the Pyramid Texts shows that what was being practiced were shamanic 'arts'. So I won't go further than to say this is fairly self evident.

 

There are a number of other clues to interpreting these texts and symbols which I will attempt to describe.

 

The Egyptians had a good understanding of anatomy and physiology. Their medical payrii include the description of a system of vessels or channels in the body called metu. There were 22 metu which connected the heart (considered as a kind of command and control centre) to various parts of the body. These channels were not veins, arteries, ligaments or nervous system – although some of them seem to run along the same pathways. They are variously described as carrying blood, air, mucus, urine, semen, disease bearing entities and benign or malign spirits. Obviously this confuses the Egyptologists somewhat because they are unfamiliar with the idea of chi and meridians. But it is clear that they were talking about energy channels in the body ... and where blood or mucus is mentioned this is the improved flow or circulation arising from the flow of energy in the metu.

 

Then we come to the texts themselves. Most are obscure funerary texts. Sometimes this gives the impression that the Egyptians were obsessed with death but of course it is partly due to archeology. The best preserved monuments and artifacts come from the necropolis because although there has been desecration since the oldest times the tombs have escaped centuries of building and rebuilding which has left the towns and palaces hidden under modern cities. What some of the text do say though, is that they are 'useful on earth' in other words they are to be used by the living as well as for funerals.

 

The other problem with translations of texts is that Egyptologists put their own interpretation on the original words. To give an example here is a short section from the Pyramid Texts:

 

“...You have not gone away dead: you have gone away alive.

Sit on Osiris's chair, with your baton in your arm, and govern the living;

With your water lily scepter in your arm, and govern those of the inaccessible places.

Your lower arms are of Atum,

Your upper arms are of Atum,

Your belly of Atum,

Your back of Atum,

Your rear of Atum,

Your legs of Atum,

Your face of Anubis.

Horus's mounds shall serve you, Set's mounds shall serve you.”

 

(Spell 213 trans. Allen.)

 

The traditional way of understanding this is that it is part of a funeral of a dead king who is being addressed as he becomes god-like. However the first line “you have gone away living” suggests otherwise. Egyptologists explain this away by saying its aspirational ... about living after death.

 

So if we look at it as being about energy working with a living subject we can understand the text as follows.

 

Osiris is the ruler and judge in the underworld. The underworld or Duat is an inner realm or dimension and by sitting in Osiris's chair you place yourself in the centre, in the heart, in the middle.

 

'in your arm' is the Egyptian way of saying 'in your hand'. So you sit on Osiris chair with a baton in your left hand and a lily scepter on your right. The inaccessible places means the Duat or realm of the dead. So you are in the centre with a left and right hand channel.

 

Then you identify your body (part by part ) with Atum. Atum means 'complete or undivided' and refers to the creative power in the void. So the parts of the body are being filled with this voidic power. The face of Anubis means that your attention is focused into the dark energy of the Duat and not into the light.

 

The mounds of Horus and Set are seen as like burial mounds or tumuli ... where the Egyptologists have translated 'serve' the actual word pXr means to turn, perambulate or surround. However they have a problem with this because it is supposed to be about a dead king in his sarcophagus ... or at least sitting on a chair. How can he go round or circulate? They understand the mounds to be physical places possibly settlements or towns. So they have changed it to serve to make it make sense (to them).

 

The god Horus, the falcon is to do with his eye, and therefore awareness or perception. Set is about will or drive. So the 'mounds' are actually centers or places of focus for awareness or will. If this is about energy work then it is ok to say ... something like the centers of awareness and will, will circulate for you. An image very like the idea of chakras in the energy body.

 

So my interpretation actually makes the more sense of the text. It is a set of instructions or perhaps a visualisation technique for controlling and moving energy in the body. Its main method is identification with various deities in a similar way to which tantric yoga might work.

 

Because the deities and images were culturally familiar to Egyptians the technique would work easily for them. While for us we have to do some preliminary work to make it accessible.

 

The other related subject area to the idea of energy work (neigong or similar) is the parts of being. The Egyptians did not see a person as being composed of a single entity but more as a collection of several entities. One of these being the body. As you can see in the previous example the body (or parts of it) could be identified with deities. In another example parts of the body are identified with star-gods. The 'imperishable stars' were those which circulated around the north point in the sky and did not set below the horizon. Because they did not set (i.e. Die) they were thought to link to immortality. The chief constellation of these stars was Ursa Major the Plough or Big Dipper.

 

“Your head as Horus of the Duat – an imperishable star,

Your face as “Eyes Forward” - an imperishable star,

Your ears as Atum's twins - an imperishable star,

Your eyes as Atum's twins - an imperishable star,

Your nose as the Jackal - an imperishable star,

Your teeth as Sopdu - an imperishable star,

Your arms Hapi and Duamutaf – when you demand to go up to the sky, you go up,

Your legs Imset and Qebehsenuef – when you demand to go down to the undersky, you go down,

Your limbs Atum's twins - an imperishable star.

You will not perish, your ka will not perish: you are ka.”

 

This text comes later in the same sequence started in the one I quoted above. So we have a series of identifications of parts of the body with gods and stars. The last line giving a clue to the goal, the ka that does not perish.

 

The body then is a kind of vehicle for carrying out the energy work and is seen often as being many parts joined together. The key to this process is identification with various deities and then circulation (going up in the sky and then down). Certain parts of the body were seen as being particularly important. The heart, the lungs, the liver, the stomach and the intestines. These were vessels for the individuals consciousness and the primary forms of energy which make up life (precursors to the four elements or humors).

 

Next we need to look at the 'ka'.

 

The ka is both part of a person (often translated as a 'double') and a form of energy. Actually it is the bio-field or etheric body which surrounds the body. But it should not be seen as a kind neutral energy like electricity rather each person has their own signature or characteristic energy. So the ka energy has a kind of formed nature. At birth we receive the ka from our parents, then it is during life in three ways. By affection (or sex), by food and by status. The symbol of the ka is a pair of arms raised in embrace ... which is to do with the transmission of ka by affection ... hugging perhaps. The food offerings made in Egyptian tombs were called ka ... and so the energy absorbed through food was said to feed the ka. The effect of status on a persons ka may not at first seem obvious. But if you look at the affect on people such as movie stars and politicians of being in the limelight ... you will see how attention feeds people's charisma, their ka. Even the most unprepossessing grey haired politician gets a certain sparkle when they become president or prime-minister.

 

Normally we are focussed on our bodies but it is possible to refocus on the energy-body of the ka. The Egyptians held that on death the first stage is to 'go to your ka' which means your consciousness is refocused on the ka and leaves the body. But the ka needs energy input to sustain it and so it is thought necessary to sustain it. Hence “You will not perish, your ka will not perish: you are ka.”

 

The body and the ka are not the complete being. The next significant part of a person is the 'ba'. The ba is often translated as 'soul' but this is a vague translation. The word ba is also used to mean god or power. It is especially used of a god's power to project and embody themselves as a form. The word ba is also related to words that mean brilliant or bright. So the ba is a luminous entity which is capable of projecting form. This includes the power to transform into different forms and an ability to do this was seen as key in the Book of the Dead. As part of an individual being the ba manifests as a life-force or virility, that is a creative power. As such it can be understood as the spark of divine power within us, or perhaps that is us.

 

Because the ba can travel independently to the body, unlike the ka which is linked to the body it is shown as a bird with a human head. After death it tends to leave the tomb and has to be coaxed back to reunite with the body. It is the ba which leaves the tomb to fly to the sky to witness the first sunrise.

 

Together with the luminous power of the ba there is another entity called the 'shade'. Shown as a silhouette it accompanies the ba when it leaves the tomb to see the sun. The shade is the essential form of the being. If you like a conceptual level of existence.

 

The purpose of Egyptian practices was to bring these different parts of being together to form a single entity called an akh. The chapters of their texts were called se-akh ... or akhifiers in English. The akh can be translated as 'effective spirit' and was an eternal spritualized self.

Thanks !!!

I've always thought that the symbols hav meaning in breath, kundalini, higher energy.. Read about it in other sources, too. Maybe one day will know by experience. Great info Apech

Spotless,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. They are my favorite read! 6th chakra practice is part of what I do as well. Though i'm no where as empowered in that area as you.

Have worked with a Christian with what is mentioned as "awakened" kundalini. It must have been strange for him.

I prefer a bit of self massage and stretching. Then breath work is enough.

I was just re-mulling this last post Mokona and I was wondering 'Why not?' What is is about people, what is it about cultivation methods that requires 'Time' and repetition? What about those guys who get enlightened when walking in the park? I have an idea that Buddhism would have a frame/explanation for why.

I suppose it depends on the persons belief system. Self confidence or lack of really changes what a person can accomplish, or what organs are pumping need hormones through the body to make this stuff work.

Old Green posted that the legs can't be added into the MCO until after three years. A man believed this enough to publish it as truth. My buddy Matt did it in under a year. Though in KAP that isn't a milestone, really.

In fact Matt and I are hanging out this Fri. We are going to tear up Tampa! ;-D

 

I always thought the image of the crucifixion interesting... it being the primary symbol.

 

Why not the resurrection etc?

 

Or

 

 

I came to the conclusion that the cruxifix was the symbol of the Anti Christ.

 

It was the devil, mocking God... mocking humanity.

 

As was the church built in his name...

 

(in progress)

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/26855-cannibalism-of-christ/

 

Cannibalism of Christ (The Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Christ)

 

Revelation 9:20 says that the last days would be characterized by the worship of demons. Likewise, in 1 Cor. 10:19-20, the apostle Paul associates the eating of idolatrous sacrifices with entering into communion and fellowship with demons.

 

Partaking of the sacrificed victims of idolatry was an integral

part of what Paul described as "the table of demons" (1 Cor.

10:21). In 1 Cor. 10:21, the Greek word underlying the English

rendering of "table" is trapeza. Under its entry for trapeza,

Thayer's Greek Lexicon says that "to partake of a feast [or of a

sacrificed victim] prepared by demons ... [was to] enter into

communion and fellowship with the demons."

 

This partaking of the sacrificed victims of idolatry extended even

to the eating of human sacrifices. Alexander Hislop tells us that

"the priests of Nimrod or Baal were necessarily required to eat of human

sacrifices; and thus it has come to pass that 'Cahna-Bal,' the

'Priest of Baal,' is the established word in our own tongue for a devourer of human flesh" (Babylon Mystery Religion Ancient and Modern [Riverside, CA: Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association, Inc., 1966], p. 232). Satan was also worshiped under the name Molech--or Moloch, with its accompanying child sacrifice (cf. Jer. 19:5; 2 Kings 16:3; 21:6).

 

That the priests of Baal, or Satan, were cannibals is entirely

understandable. In symbolic prophecy, Satan is represented as a lower animal seeking to eat human flesh. In 1 Peter 5:8, forexample, he is likened to "a roaring lion ... seeking whom he may devour." Likewise, in Revelation 12:4 he is described metaphorically as a monstrous reptile seeking to devour the Christ child "as soon as it was born." It should also be noted that Satan's great apostate church is described in symbolic prophecy as a great human-blood-drinking whore. She is described as being "drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" (Rev. 17:6).

 

http://www.theologyo...oxic-shots.html

 

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The original practice never had any such sacrament...

 

Christianity that practices "The Sacrament of the Body and Blood" is Babylonian in nature ^ Of Baal ...

 

There is both truth and falsehoods/ corruption of the original...

 

What a grand deception...

 

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Vmarco, on 09 Feb 2013 - 01:19, said:

 

Banks, Gov, Business, Media (International)

 

^ All the same - "Religion" plays a significant part in it also.

 

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When I say "Religion" plays a significant part...

 

I mean that "Religion" is at the very "heart" of it...

 

That Banking/Gov/Media etc are all tools of this "Religion"

 

It is no secret that secret societies are largely involved in all of the above.

 

For example... centuries ago (+ perhaps more recently... Bolshevik "Revolution" + Others) the Vatican spent a great deal of time killing christians and doing all it could to prevent texts from getting to the general public.

 

 

^ looks like the deepest pits of hell to me? on earth...

 

Some of the methods used... I think the devil himself ...

 

You could say the Vatican was the devil.

 

This devilish group are at the top of all organised everything.

 

Christianity, Islam, Judaism are like the Blue Lodges of the Masonic Order.

 

Once you get past a certain degree... having been selected / initiated... showing the "desirable" characterists... or born into it...

 

The organisation starts to take on a much more sinister expression.

 

It is not that power corrupts, it is that the corrupt are drawn to power.

 

Religious people have no concern for power*, they have no desire to usurp God/ Nature

 

They desire to know God and little else.

 

Just because somebody calls themself a Buddhist... does that make them a buddhist?

 

My thread Cannibalism of Christ... goes somewhat further into this /

 

http://thetaobums.co...lism-of-christ/

 

I believe these organisations have there roots in...

 

"The priests of Nimrod or Baal were necessarily required to eat of human sacrifices; and thus it has come to pass that 'Cahna-Bal,' the 'Priest of Baal,' is the established word in our own tongue for a devourer of human flesh" (Babylon Mystery Religion Ancient and Modern [Riverside, CA: Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association, Inc., 1966], p. 232)

 

Ancient Occult practices...

 

Edit:

 

Some additional information to tie things together a little more...

 

The extraction of usury (banking) is "one of the oldest professions of man." (Forrest M. Smith, III, The Regulation of Interest: Practice and Procedure, 10 ST. MARY'S L. REV. 825, 1979). First came the Temple Priests, then the Goldsmiths and the commercial bankers of today. The first use of the fractional reserve system was in the Temple of Shamash under Hammurabi -- the sixth king of Babylon

 

Amraphel was Hammurabi, king of Babylon, the sixth king in the first dynasty of Babylon. This is now the prevailing view among both Assyriologists and Old Testament scholars.

 

According to Rab and Samuel, Amraphel is identical with Nimrod. Some say Amraphel was his real name, and he was called Nimrod, "the chief rebel," as leader of the tower-builders, "who led the world unto rebellion" () against heaven's Ruler; others again say Nimrod was his real name, and he was called Amraphel as the one who "commanded them to cast Abraham into the fire" () ('Er. 53a and Targ. Yer. to Gen. xiv. 1). Among other fanciful etymologies the name is explained as that of one whose "commands brought darkness [destruction] on the world" (), or of one who "provoked and made sport of the world" () (see Gen. R. xlii.; Midr. LeḳaḦ Ṭob to Gen. xiv. 1, ed. Buber, i. 63, note 4; also Beer, "Leben Abrahams," pp.130, 131). See also Abraham, Nimrod.

 

http://www.jewishenc...s/1440-amraphel

 

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Problem solved

 

Enjoy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first two pictures are symbols of what happens internally during some Neigung and chi kung practices. Its an internal alchemy thing.

The cross is a symbol for the energy connections of heaven and earth meeting at the heart and going out the hands - I forget what the heart symbolizes, but the bright aura around Jesus's head represents energy flow properly flowing up and out of the head.