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Is there anywhere to get a smaller quantity than 200 grams for over 300 bucks? A video said that it there was a smaller bottle from meditation-energy.com, but that link is down.

I have a very general question: What are good or best methods of physical healing that you know about? I am concerned with chronic fatigue which is defined be being tired and weak, with high levels of toxicity measured, weak organs and muscles, insomnia, weak digestion, emotional/energetic issues, and stress. I am interested in hearing about what has worked for you or people you know that have had serious health issues. Thanks.

Thanks Karen. Yours is a substantial testimonial. I will keep this as a back-up to my existing program which lasts 3 months. I will know before then if it is working. There is one practitioner is my area.

So there is only one source of tao salt, Biodrux, and one phone number given by Smile: 623-537-9443. That's in Ariuzona. For 200 grams it is $329.95. Has anyone here used this product?

Hi Chris, Do you have any plans to come to San Francisco? I have not recieved my book yet so i haven't don't anything. Coyote

The Primal Diet excludes grains because they can't be eaten raw. Raw meat, dairy, vegetable juice, some fruit, honey, eggs. I have a some rye bread anyway because i am stronger with more carbs. The key food for Daoists is raw milk, according to the manuscripts from Muwangdui. I find that large amounts of raw butter and cream are great for sex drive, skin, and steady energy. Whey in milk is great for the immune system--it must raw, not store bought powders. The primal diet is the ultimate sex-machine diet. I tell cuties, "You can try it, and if you like it, you should try the diet."

Wow, the reactions to the White Tigress are a topic into themselves. I am taken aback by the lack of rational argument and ferocity of the criticisms. Ever hear the phrase, "Thou doth protest too much?"...hiding something clearly, besides your weany from the "vampires." Some of you seem to have no control over your mind, emotions, words or maybe something else, lol. Labeling things bullshit is not impressive. It is true that we can't corroborate the ideas since there seems to be only one source. But consider the following. The Daoist scholar Livia Kohn is giving a workshop with two Tigresses this month. Kohn has published many books and worked with cultivators like Steve Winn. Maybe you don't like them but who the hell are you? :lol Ultimately you have to try the methods as see if they work. To give one example, a woman i know used the ovary massage with great, immediate success. It shorten her menstration, relieved pain during sex, and opened her more emotionally. She had no experience as a cultivator and has had problems with her ovaries. About sex, some of you guys are paranoid. Why must you assume that a man ejaculating is always being exploited or having his energy taken? Why must it be zero sum? It is common sense that blow jobs make a man's life a lot better, lol. He has recently said more about this as an act of compassion. For younger men there is little vulnerability and the experienced cultivators would go for the younger men with higher levels of jing--not you old farts, lol. Are you afraid of women, do you have problems with women asserting themselves sexually? What he said about asprin is lame, asprin is bad for you and there are better alternatives for whatever purpose. About STDs, ejaculation on skin is a low risk activity. There are many people with many partners who don't catch anything. His argument that the most important thing is your own immune system is sound. He did not raise this point, but most of you probably don't know that HIV does not cause AIDS and that there is no proof of a virus--many credible scientists and public health groups attest to that. www.aliveandwell.org. There are more critiques of herpes and infectious disease being the product of internal imbalance and mutations, not contagion, but i won't get into that now. STD threats are exaggerated as part of the climate fear about sex. As far as whether he made this up i can offer you this. The thing that turned me off the most was his heavy- handed feminism and what seemed like a square attitude to sex. I don't think he could make up something that kinky, and why would he since its so hard to believe? He did show he could put his own biases aside and document a White Tigress critique of feminism. It is interesting, i might post those few pages and start a thread. One thing i don't think is proven is that intercourse shortens a woman's life. Does anyone else say that? I hope it is not true. There is a special white tigress massage, an mo, that is said to open energy cavities and provide a transformative experience. There was someone in my area doing that by the name of Allegra but she moved away. It is worth checking out. One of the biggest inspirations are the youthful effects of the practices, as the White Tigress lineage holder was 63 and being mistaken as the younger sister of her 30 old daughter that had not done the practices and lived in the US. My biggest problem is that there is not as much for men this system in the use of female secretions.

I agree with your argument. Sometimes people make (western) absolutist arguments without regard for context. Although i don't recall all of the preceding thread, in this post you distinguish those contexts of being a victim and chosing to be a victim when other options are available, I see alot of this "you create your own reality, it's a holographic universe" stuff being pushed by narcissists whose stance in the world is that everything revolves around their mind and they don't have the interest or energy to understand another point of view and practice compassion. My favorite example is the people who lecture others about being present in the Now while being oblivious to how annoyed i am with their overbearing, condescending attitude and cliches. Many ideas are true to a point, but we still have to use common sense and manners.

Daoism also went through a period of alchemy using metals, and used those in part metaphorically. I'm not sure if it was all metaphorical. The basic instruction to make Shem-ana is to take a base metal (notably gold) and purify it in a cauldron or crucible and then heat it to such a degree that it enters a 'high spin' state. Once in this state it becomes like a white powder that 'cannot be burned in fire', and this white gold powder is said to deliver heightened awareness and longevity/immortality to the imbiber. Compare this to the equally named "Golden Elixir" or "Immortal Medicine": Take the base elements of your life (jing, emotions and course thoughts) and purify them through specific disciplines and practices. Bring this purified essence into the "Sacred Kitchen" / "Elixir Field" / "Immortal Cauldron" / "Dan Tien" (interesting to those who are tuning in to this and are following my line that 'Dan' means 'the rich colour of blood' and Tien means 'elixir'). Through the process of 'cooking' (Qi is sometimes refered to the steam rising of cooking rice) or 'heating', sublimate this base element into the 'high vibrational state' of the "Sacred Immortal Medicine" through which heightened awarenesses and longevity/immortality are achieved. (Interesting also is the comparitive addage that pure Shen 'cannot be burned in fire or drowned in water'.) In Hermeticism the Philosopher's Stone is supposed to turn lead into gold. How interesting is it that in Taoist instruction the process of creating the "Golden Elixir" is also literally described as transmuting lead (i.e. jing and one's courser elements) into gold (i.e. Shen ... lol how close is this to 'Shem' ). To run with another topic of this thread is that, according to Gardner, we of the west lost the secret of making this "Golden Elixir" internally so we started to use external 'supplements'. Then even our knowledge of making the external Philosopher's Stone was lost. So this is when the high priests and kings of certain genealogical lines started to 'drink the blood of virgins', or more specifically, the menstrual blood of the harlots / scarlet women (i.e. virgin priestesses of the god Hathor). So here may be the lost link in our western natural philosophy, mysticism and science that indeed opens the doors to the inner 'great work' of the alchemist. It also leads inquiry into the practical role our sexual secretions play in our quest for spiritual sublimity. In my mind at least this is so. Thanks for the stimulation

It seems that Daoism is able to create practical, operational knowledge more than Western Alchemy. I am also dismayed by the facist / monarchy politics of Nicholas de Vere and those who proclaim the lineage of Jesus, and the assumption that magic and spiritual abilities are genetic. There is some insight into the contradictions of democracy, and they do oppose materialism, but they talk little of morality, compassion and healing. Instead they openly distain the masses. The western world view has the trappings of western though: absolute truth, essentialism, and bias toward general concepts. Daoism, on the other hand, represents a more contextual view of knowledge, which is more relational, qualified, and contextual. Daoism sees inter-related dualities rather than sharp dichotomies about truth and good and evil. One kind of relationship valued in Daoism is that between concept and execution, theory and detail. Nevertheless, maybe there is an openness to sharing in Western alchemy not as common in Taoism, for example, concerning exchange of physical sexual essences Asian cultures can be very rank oriented, whereas the West has lead the modern senes of individual freedom, even though some of its thought structures are authoritarian. I think Daoism is ultimately more compatible with science, despite the fact that science expanded first in the west. History is full of paradox.

Menstral blood has been widely used in spiritual tradiations, according the article in this link. MOONBLOOD: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/..._dragonmoon.htm The use of female ejaculate is explained in the links to Starfire in Smile's post.

That's a lot of speculation. I am interested in the idea of using "female semen", what is now known as the ejaculate from g-spot stimulation. There is a guide to using semen--The Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress. That manual also instructs how a woman uses her blood from her first penetration mixed with semen as an elixer. I'd like to know if there is more pracitcal information about these traditions.

We don't know what they meant by "trying to understand menstration" or what they actually got. In many cultures there are symbols of the "male wound," which mostly take place on the leg. As wound represented through a feminine symbol, it speaks to the loss of oneness in the separation from mother. As taking in the feminine, it can be interpreted as a form of alchemy to combine yin and yang and return the Dao, God, and the field of oneness. In any case, it's not just another example of men being stupid and "not getting it." On the contrary, it is us moderns who probably don't get it, as we are the ones with the gender identity crisis since we don't have as much meaningful gender role socialization.

Hi Sasha, Yes you answered my questions for now, but there are always more to come, lol. The answer i got is that you guys provide one on one services or teach couples to do this to each other, but the dvd alone is probably not enough to learn how to do it, although a skilled energy worker or someone who is very intutitive could do something with it, but its unclear how much. The session is preceded by a discussion to determine what the issues are, as Nityama may see it, concerning how a man shows up, what he sees himself as offering and looking for in women, his masculine development, etc., whatever is going on. Are there any other forums where your work is discussed, like on tantra? Coyote

I just got the Tantric Mongoose dvd of the seminar in Chicago. It seems pretty extraordinary. I was wondering how much of that i can try to do on my own without going to the full workshop. I am also interested in knowing what they cover in the workshop because there is mention of men being able to have orgasm withouth ejaculation-what is the process?

Thanks Karen. I am not hung-up on one solution for all nor are the approaches i mentioned. I need much more information to evaluate Heilkurst. based on their website. Homeopathy is an energetic perspective, i know. Their claims are like the claims of everyone else, addressing the real causes, so i can't distinguish one from the other. I need some kind of evidience. I can call the local practitioner and see if they make sense. If they ask me a dumb question like, "When did this start" it assumes that it happened suddenl and therefore has a simple cause. That's one way a test practitioners to see if they are simple-minded and can't understand complex systems--most people don't. They should ask did yourcondition happen suddently or gradually, or how did it start. There is a huge difference. Of the products mentioned on their site, some are not of highest quality. What is your expereince with different modalities, are you a healer, have you been through a major illness, what comparisons can you make? You can email me privately if you'd like. coyote

I would be more open if this forum was not accessible on google by non-members. I think that should be blocked. Anybody randomly searching on google can peer in hear, i think that is wrong.

That's what i am focusing on. I just started with a naturopath and i might be fine, but i always like to have alternatives since most treatments have not worked out. He is Alex Strande www.simplyhealingclinic.com in Irvine, California. He uses massive amounts of liquid herbs and other supplements. I can feel it. I am optimistic. He is very confident and makes sense. He seems like a man who knows how to get shit done because he follows his passion and lives according to his true wild man nature. lol. Dragon Herbs are mostly ineffective for me. The liquid Reishi and seaweed, Laminessence are really great. All the others gave me diarhhea and prevented me from absorbing food. Strade says that powdered herbs don't work. Another protocol is that of Amy Yasko who focuses on the liver's methylation cycle and genetic damage from viruses. Her supplements are not very natural, however, and i rarely can digest those. Strande is treating the Methylation cycle as with herbs that i think would be more effective. Spring Forest felt good, but now i'm trying other things. Various accupuncture and herbal treatments didn't do much. Detoxification can be very tough. Sometimes you don't feel much better because you are allergic to the substance and it shuts down your energy until the last molecule is out. You wake up one morning, pee, and then you are cured---I heard of that before. So there is progress without results. I have some results, but maybe even more progress than i know. I've done more treatments and supplements than i could possibly remember. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions.

What is the reason for not being able to squirt: biology or lack of knowledgable partners? There is no way to know but to give every woman the opportunity. Steve Piccus created a system of massage for helping women release emotional issues that prevent them from ejaculating, then he has them ejaculate. This is called White Tiger Tantra--sounds like White Tigress. Breast stimulation produces many hormone according to Chia and Hsi Lai. We are not talking about lactating. I have only heard of one story of lactating, something done rarely. The White Tigress in her 60's had Hsi Lai suck one her for a long time until a little came out and cured his eye problem. Bring on the healing mamas!

The Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress say that intercourse at any age drains the energy of women. I'm not sure that's true. What do any Daoists say about the g-spot and female ejaculation? There is more about that in the Tantric tradition. I read that the ejaculate, amrita, is considered nutitious. I am wondering if this nectar can be used on a man's face like a tigress uses a man's cum on hers to nourish her skin and energy. The White Tigress teachings also have a great ovary massage to reduce menstration, which i have also seen create rapid emotional changes in a woman. They also have breast massages that i think are more elaborate than the deer massages for different purposes: to enlarge or firm breasts, or as a hormonal tonic that also reduces menstration, the main drain on jing.

How do women lose jing like men after menapause?

Are there prerequisites for doing the Fusion of Five Elements? Has anyone found this to be a great way to deal with stress and emotional issues? coyote

Does anyone know the difference between Hua Ching Ni's books on Dao Yin vs. Eight Treasures?

I think raw dairy is the most healing food, especially the fat in butter and cream, also the whey protein powder by Immunopro, and only that brand, the rest is not raw and is junk. Allergies are mainly caused by pasteurization. Milk was mentioned in the Mawangdui manuscripts as the most important food for health. I have found that to be true. You can see the difference in your skin, hair and sex drive. You can also look-up the primal diet to ad other raw foods like meat. Coyote

What we call science is a actually a blend of scientific method and a whole bunch of assumptions that have nothing to do with science that come from one trend in Greek thought. Science is about observation, experimentation, isolating variables, etc, whereas the western conceptual baggage is used to pose the questions, focus, and interpretation. Western science uses a fragmented empiricism that mostly looks at things in greater detail. This has its strength and weakness, namely losing sight of the big picture or system. The interpretation is generally assumed to be "objective" and universal. Both errors overlook the complexity of contexts: of either broader context or more specific contexts that vary case by case, and the context of the observor's bias and effect on the object. These prenicious errors are found at all levels of western thought and pratice in ways i began to describe in previous post. The western tendency to separate and over-generalize has influneced TCM which is acutally not traditional but the Maoist reduced version with the spiritual connections thrown out. The real tradition is 5 Element Accupuncture which identifies constitutional types that are formed in part by karma. See books by Lonny Jarrett and Peter Eckman following in the tradition of Worsley. This type puts more emphasis on the special 8 meridians more operative in the formation of the fetus and thus the connection to the before-life. This is considered a deeper cause of other merdian imbalances. People trained in China are now mainly the Maoist reduced TQM, whereas the real traditions survived in Japan and other places. Eckman studied in many other countries. Very well said about not "standing in a gutter railing against pricks!"