Buddy

"Buddy could you explain the truth Kumar taught you how to see." Again, yes I could. But I will demur. Kumar said a lot of things about a lot of things. He was right about many of them.

Michael, "My thesis is this: It's the experience that's important." The problem with this idea is that we "experience" things in our dreams (or waking hours) that appear real. And our bodies (and minds) respond accordingly. We wake up anxious (or think that a mirage is real) or horny or pensive or whatever. Yet the experience wasn't real.

Michael, "Based on the very little I've studied, it seems to me that taoists were more interested in describing the subjective functional qualities they experienced rather than some objective physical description that fits the western paradigm of science. So, two things. Obviously they didn't have the western paradigm. But more importantly they decided not to speak plainly about things, which the western paradigm does (not taking sides except against the deliberate obfuscation idea). "Threading the nine pearls", "cinnabar field"...etc. These obscure references aren't much help. "Yes, but how do you know that it's limited to just the nervous and circulatory systems?" Please. I didn't say it was limited to that, those are your words. "And how do you know that those are the only mechanisms involved in your experiences. Is that just your assumption?" See above. Why would I consider that others are? Maybe it's the Pleadian grays that are doing it. I bow to Occam's razor here. "I'm not implying it's mystical; I'm only suggesting that science may have not completely categorized the experience of life." So why look for a deeper meaning when a completely standard one can be professed? "I just wonder if you really KNOW the mechanism for this phenomenon, and if so, how?" I never said I did. But beyond any evidence to the contrary, why not just go to the simplest and most obvious. I've never been to France but I'm willing to suspend my disbelief in it's non-existence. "If it's not clear to you, following your lead, I'm trying to understand what you truly know, and what you simply believe." Sorry, I don't quite get why this is confusing to you. Do you ever wonder why, when most of an atom is space and all things seem to consist of atoms, that you can slam your hand on a table?

Anal sex?

Very nice.

Michael, Yes, it IS easy to use the phrase. But it's a phrase from a different culture that is highly charged and intimates a somewhat mystical quality. I don't assume anything, but I know that the nervous and circulatory systems can quite easily cause symptoms of heat, tingling, etc. Indeed, even if "qi" exists, I would postulate that is its interaction with these systems that causes the symptoms. For instance, light is not electricity, but is one of its effects, caused by it in some cases. Buddy

"David doesn't need any help with his credibility. He is already very successful." Interesting. At 45 large a pop (or whatever the number) I shouldn't wonder.

Left hand path---in the world Right hand path---monastic Center---Buddhist

As I've mentioned before, nobody pays me for what I teach. They pay for my time.

Cam, While, like others, I am suspicious of Max's claims and downright deny anyone's ability to do the things I described in my previous post without substantial proof, I have not studied even a small amount of what is being called Kunlun. So, I'm not in any position to call the entire method BS.

Jane, I didn't say I didn't believe in it, only that I'm agnostic. I can do a lot of very interesting things. I want to be brief so here's my nutshell argument. Since you brought up santi... in anything I do with intention (even that is a loaded word, I could easily just say attention), I can (even without willing it so) make my palms red, make my fingertips sweat, cause my palms to slightly blister... I can move the soft tissue of my body, open and close the joints and internal cavities and vertebrae of my spine, move my organs, etc. All the things described in Bruce's method. Other things as well. So, is this because I am having an experience with something called "qi? Or is it simply my conciousness directing my intention (yi) to these areas and the body (nervous and circulatory systems) responds. Why is there an intermediary called "qi?" I can readily prove these skills but nobody can prove "qi." Not only can I do it, but I can teach it others. I can't move anyone with no touch without cooperation, cause newspapers to catch fire or break chopsticks with a dollar, levitate,...etc without trickery. And I don't believe anyone else can either.

Sean, That house is killer bee! Major props to you. What IS your business?

You only posted one clip. Hitting a tree with neijing is one thing. Causing someone to hop away by pointing is another. Tell me when the tree hops.

Wow, cooperation is a handy thing. I couldn't watch all of it. Notice the other old guy gets slightly moved by real leverage and the younger guys hop about like bunnies. Silly.

"You probably wouldn't go anywhere since you are so rooted and do IMA." Cam, I like you online but you don't know me or what I'm rooted in. You might be surprised. "But I beleive it is real in terms of the people flinging about(haven't seen the levitating thing yet)" Only the faithful. If it don't work on everyone it don't work. I've seen it before. "My experience is Kunlun is a magnetic energy and can be used to move other people around when they are open to it. If your an IMA and you really, really don't want to move my guess is you won't move but still might feel something." I could fall asleep and it wouldn't work. I could read the funny papers and it wouldn't work. I'm happy to be filmed doing this if Max is. " "I wouldn't BS you man. The magnetic current of Kunlun that Max transmits is real. You feel it in your body and in the room. It's not make believe." I believe you believe this. "That said, you probably wouldn't go anywhere from all your training.' Dude, it's not me. "I still think you should check out a workshop if you can though. I would be interested in your feedback from all your experience with IMA." So nobody has anything to lose by giving the workshop to me for free. It's just a chair, right?

C'mon, We have to establish that qi exists first. Chemo tires you out. Muscles having to compensate tires you out. I'm not seeing qi in there.

"This is why you don't feel tired after walking." Come on. When I had cancer waking made me extremely tired. Even no, with sciatica it does, because my muscles have to compensate. No need to talk about qi here. Cam, It's late. I'll try to address this tomorrow when I talk about qi.

"As for "how," this is because of the form of the elements (and the animals based on an element root), and how these relate to the meridians." What? Meridians? This is no help at all. Forget about the meridians, xingyi is a martial art.

You all know my feelings about qi (well not really, but I WILL write post about it soon). But re: martial arts. if you don't get it into your body, you're just talking about it. That means hours and hours of practice. Just like everything.

I'm going to have to seriously doubt that anyone is going to uplifting off the ground. But the fact that some things are allegorical and symbolic and metaphoric is cool with me. I think that's what Joe Campbell was all about. Just don't tell me it's really true and expect me to pay you money for it. Seem fair?

durk, There's the left hand path and the right hand path. I like what you've written from what I've seen. But there are those with ego with no particular stake in them. There are those who stir the pot to muddy the water to see what settles. I guess it's the jackal, the trickster...the fool? And do it without expecting anything in return...except maybe derision. And to see what comes from that. My own beat has been from a different drummer. I'm slowly inching my way back. The only thing that is constant is change.

I'm the Doctor of Love.

"True. Some fear others, others fear themselves. Laozi, Ch.15: a sage is "cautious and fearful like a guest." Or take the cautious and fearful me (not a sage, no)." Well, I put my name out here. I've woken up in a puddle of sweat during that "dark night of the soul" and didn't know if I would last the week. So, I fear neither. "If someone in RL threatened to beat me up, the way I've seen our mutual friend whose name with two Ps I've encountered before in a similar context, was eager and self-reportedly able to do to more people online than my memory is equipped to retain, I'm afraid I'd be reluctant to trust my martial skill, with only a few years of training." I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no idea who you are behind the mask, so how could we have a "mutual friend whose name with two Ps ." "I'm afraid if anyone attacked me physically for the purpose of proving whatever point, I would just shoot them. Just to be on the safe side, you know. wink.gif" I'm afraid I don't get this one either. But let me tell you something from a martial art perspective. Do you already have the gun out? I can cut your throat in the space of 25 feet before you can clear holster, and that's assuming it's holstered and not in your purse. I'm afraid you are talking theory and not real life. Please don't do this silly posturing. This isn't a martial art site and you lack credibility with the tough talk. "Ah, Buddy. Let's be friends. You don't know what you're missing." But you do? You assume too much.

Since I know there will no proof forthcoming about levitating, you might not want to equate Kunlun with Castaneda, whose work has been repudiated. Just sayin'