cloud recluse

BINGO ! Yaaaay Having now squeaked, I will point out I am actually interested in the techniques of Kunlun , but the associated discussions can get a bit much .

Anybody here experiened with this product - ginger & tumeric based . Considering using it for my inflamed rotator cuff.

Good stuff, keep it coming ( to the extent you can put it in words ) Should be back in Melbourne in May, with time on my hands . Regards, Cloud

All good stuff Karen & Thad. Karen, none of these options were known to me , definetly will do something with your info. Thad, MRI hadnt occured to me . Wonder why quacks didnt recommend it. Will look into this. BIG thankyou, Cloud

Greetings all Been in 'Recluse mode' for a while now ( wont bore you with the reasons, but they are all good ) & just thought Id drop in to satisfy my idle curiosity. Well, perhaps not so idle... Anyhow, a few people here are / were quite experienced with Adyashanti a while back , & I was just wondering what their asesments were ? What the pro's & con's were ? Did anyone come to any conclusions ? Does anyone have any ongoing involvement ? Regards, Cloud

"Self-Realization", a linear journey , a progression. So, a matter subject to conditions & states, limitations . Everyone , always, is going through a greater or lesser degree of self-realisation, more or less succesfully, subject to varying results . . Its an endless journey. Always , a new horizon to cross, a new experiment in as yet undetermined potentials. And a journey undertaken from many different perspectives. Enlightened or Unenlightened . Enlightenment, Liberation. Freedom from conditions. Non-conditional freedom . So, cant be a 'state' or vulnerable to states . Not an addition or new 'state', but the removal of a burden , a central confusion that is exhausting to maintain . The relinquishing of a self-defeating duality. The removal of grating futility from the Journey. Freeing up our participation in the journey, NO MATTER which part of the journey we are currently undergoing . Two 'seperate' factors that are intimately interconnected but radically diferent. One of linear goals, one of Immediate Ground . Confuse the linear with the immediate, & you spend a long time chasing your tail trying to 'get' Enlightenment Regards, Cloud

At last, you is here Yaaaay

A close personal freind of mine recently took some damage to the `nerve bundle coming out of Lumbar 3 . This was the result of an epidural administered incorrectly . Now the hospital believes it is most likely that she will recover eventually( no particular timeframe specified-could be weeks, months or years) , but that is not a guarantee . Currently, she is in intense pain, can barely walk & has weakness in the right leg. There are some numb spots too, but they are most likely permanent, & not her main concern. Being crippled & in constant pain is her main concern ( she is currently doped up on painkillers, but DOES NOT want that as a long term approach ). Naturally, she will take any medical treatment or therapy her doctors recommend, but she would also like to supplement them with alternatives to maximise her chances of recovery. As well as her own quality of life, she is a single mother who must work to support the child she allready has ( The birth on this occasion was a surrogate she was doing for freinds ). So being a pain-wracked cripple is not really an option. She has breifly experimented with Chi Gung in the past, microcosmic orbit & inner smile from Chia's books. She more or less had instant results, which was not surprising, as her faculty of viusualisation is one of the strongest Ive encountered. Too strong in that instance actually, as after about 3 days of 2 short sessions a day, the orbit started to activate on its own at random times throughout the day, with a lot of hot energy moving into the head & causing headache ( Im given to understand this is a 'deviation'). So, I think she will respond quite quickly to anything, which is a good sign if not overdone . But she doesnt has the time, money or access to any formal courses or training. Does anyone here have any suggestions for healing damage to the spinal nerves ?? Yours imploringly, Cloud.

Fusion: Thankyou for this reply as its exactly the level of detail & precise refernces Im looking for ( Im quite new to the Alchemical side of Daoism & often find its complexity a bit daunting ) . I will just clarify that she did not go on to regular practice Of the Orbit after the initial overheating, or anything else. My question to you npow would be as to whether or not the Orbit would actually be of use in nerve damage. Or are there other techniques you could detail for me that would be more tailored to such an injury ? My main reason for mentioning her experience with the Orbit was to emphasise how rapidly she gets strong results from what is really just casual dabbling . Thankyou everyone for your responses. If youve got more, keep em coming. Like I said, its pretty much limited to info you can provide or direct me to, as classes are not really accesible to her. Regards, Cloud Recluse

Yoda: I havent really been following the various Kunlun threads here, so I dont know if this is a silly question or not. Would the relevant material be freely available ? As I said, she cant afford classes, or actually get herself to them . But if it has been used for similair conditions , without risk of overheating, it would be a promising avenue for investigation. Karen: Im particularly interested in this, as its something I can bring to her,its not something she has to travel to. Are there any contraindications for Arnica & Hypercium ? [quote name='mat black' date='Jan 1 2008, 03:30 PM' post='47491'..... I think you're in Melbourne right? Master Tao is in Camberwell. ..... Mat; I am indeed a Melburnian, but my freind is actually in Canberra .Which is unfortunate, as what you say sounds promising. This is why Im really fishing for info that she can use herself. As I said, her visualising skill is quite remarkable, as well as ( surprise, surprise ) her capacity for self-hypnosis . So specifics anyone comes up with would be great .

Sorry if Im being argumentative, & my first post on this thread was a bit aggresive I suppose. I wasnt trying to attack you though . I guess I just think its a very important point, as far as any one thing could be called "important." But I wasnt directing any aggression at you, & I apologise if it came off that way. Attitudes in this area can have very real consequences for people in a whole number of ways , so I do think compassion demands we be clear . This can make me very finicky & pedantic ( which can be counterproductive ) Im not looking for a fight or anything like that. But I am very wary of the whole natural/ unnatural thing. So Im NOT saying that you are a homophobe or anything like that. Please be assured that is NOT the case, & I apologise if it sounds like I was.

Twas a humourous quip, nothing more . But on the serious side, I would contest the use of natural/unnaural here. It doesnt refer to anything real in this matter. People like to explore & invent. And as no-one "designed" us, The Dao not being any big anthropomorphic dictator in the sky, its erroneous to use 'naturalism' in this . If it doesnt push your buttons , thats cool. There is no reason why it has to. But if it pushes someone elses, why not ? Your thrill isnt natural, theirs isnt either. Neither are they unnatural . Your just not into it. Argiung about the right style of stimulation is as f**k-witted as arguing about the right style of music (have you ever listened to musicians arguing, partticularly the unsuccesful ones ) . Its what emotions & motives are expressed that counts, not what is stuck where & who gets to wear the latex nuns costume. Thers no 'natural' to "It", coz there aint an "It".

HAH ! Your porn-fu is not strong !!

I assume from this that you dont feel its right to get your cock sucked, you would oppose that,yes ? Do you seriously think your genitals were 'designed' in a limited manner? How many different places can you put your fingers ? Which areas of your skin surface are 'designed ' to be rubbed against someone, or isnt that their 'proper use' ? You wernt 'designed" for a prescribed purpose. You are an open-ended exploration , an unrestrained variable. Whats all this "Its not made for that " stuff. It does WHATEVER it can do !!! It doesnt do what it cant ,thats all you need to know, & you only KNOW from exploration. Are you really an enemy of foreplay ? And no, Im not trying to fuck you ( Though Im sure your very cute. You write in such a young, firm , pert manner..oh..oh god.. I....I think I have to log off now ). Yours steamingly. Cloud

Actually, youve made perfect sense. Though whether or not we wake up to it is another matter. Regards, Cloud

Someone, I dont know who, said "Its not WHO you love, but rather DO you love ?". Whose 'more spiritual' ? A hetrosexual who intimudates & abuses their partner on a daily basis , or a homosexual whose sexuality is an expression of caring & intimacy ? Whose 'more spiritual' ? Some pompous idiot who prattles on about the Undefinfable Dao, & then announces gays cant cultivate based on some archaic crap from an outdated patriarchy, or someone who SEES all things & beings as an expression of the Dao & treats them accordingly, even if they dont preach much . Any reasonable look at sexuality reveals a wide range of expressions. This IS NOT "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS", just up to date observations.If someones too ignorant to realise this, I really couldnt be bothered debating it with them. Ironically, amongst my freinds,Im the one seen as politically incorrect. & if its relevant, Im actually a hetrosexual male. I know Im being fairly blunt & unsubtle ,but I really couldnt be bothered being otherwise. Theres been some stunningly ignorant drivel about sexuality lately that, if it wasnt so potentially destructive, would just be funny . Bullshit arguments about the inferiority of gay chi , or whatever that crap was supposed to be , can be safely put into the same garbage bin as flat earth theory. I know some traditional soceties were worried that admitting people were having buttsex meant that the crops would fail, but I think we are past that now . Love who you want to, IT MAKES NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE to your cultivation. Just remember the active word is LOVE . I even luv the pseudo-spiritual homophobes who argue that "all is Dao , unless your gay". Yes , I luv you. Even though you are pig-ignorant dim-wits. Yours belligerently, Cloud

Vortex, Have you checked out the www.biologyofkundalini.com site .Kundalini & epileptic 'kindling ' are mentioned somewhere in it. You might find it interesting. Personally, I sometimes get a usually gentle undulation of the spine in meditation, but only when Im very deep ,& 'sensitive' to it. I cant recall it being forceful at any point, & I can easily repress it if I want to. Though I have had a nasty experience in the past that began as mild Kriya after an Iyengar yoga class, & then erupted into some kind of spasm or locking up of my midsection. Most un-fun Regards, Cloud

DAMN FINE !!! I like it

Sorry to start on a sour note, but Jasmuheen is the worst example you could have picked, given her total failure to live up to her own philosophy. Now,Im all up for the possibility of physical immortality, transubstantiating into bodies of light etc. Im all up for the possibility of Absolutely Anything !! But having watched her attempt to go several days without food on tv a number of years back, after a few people had died trying to implement her ideas, Jassie is the last person Id look to as an example ! Not to worry though. Theres plenty of groovy stuff in traditional Daoism, & one of Namkhai Norbu's Dzogchen books mentions turning INTO light instead of just living off the stuff ( obviously the mark of amateurs ). It seems a lot of work though, when the Self is Always Allready Present as All Phenomena .Even in eating, crapping, snoring, aging Monkeys like me. & if Ive got it, sure as shit everyone else has !!! No self-mortification required to experience that, I can tell you that for sure! Still, can the more scholarly out there come up with some good references for Daoist immortalism ??? Regards,Cloud

Im also of the 'philosophical' bent , but it was actually the richness & variety of material on the 'alchemical' aspect that caught my attention ( though, in my ignorance, I do find it wonderfully overwhelming at times . all that detail & complexity, leaves me in fascinated perplexity ) Anyhow Arnquist, If you want more philosophical threads , start a few. You will find people ( or at least opinionated old farts like me ) more than happy to take them up. Regards , Cloud

Have been comtemplating giving this a go, but there seem to be 2 different versions of the series in regards to waves 5 & 6.At least , thats how it looks on the bittorrent files ive looked at, & a few sites. One version has Wave 5 as Advanced Focus 12 / Discovering Intuition / Exploring Intuition / Intro to Focus 12 / Mission 15-Creation & Manifestation / Exploring Focus 12. Wave 6 is listed as Sensing Locale 1 / Expanding in Locale 1 / Point of Departure/ Nonphysical Freinds / Movement Locale 2-21 / Freeflow-021 . The other version ive seen lists Wave 5 as Mission 10-Expanding Focus 10/ Mission 11-Expandind Focus 12/ Mission Day/ Mission Night / Horizons / Pathways . Wave 6 is then listed as Metamorphosite / Bio-Body/ Null Point / Plus POlarity / Near Reaches / Far REaches. Then a Wave 7 is listed, with the same tracks on Wave 6 in the first version. Has anyone here tried the program ? Regards. Cloud

Joebob, Oddly enough,I had a book by him when I was in my early teens ( a LOOONG time ago ),Im not sure which one though. I didnt have the nous to read the whole thing at the time ,& it drifted off somewhere else a long time ago . I do remember it started out fairly autobiographicaly, but not much beyond that Would it be hard to find nowadays ? Regards, Cloud

You still havent qualified what you mean here. Are you discovering a sexual aspect previously unknown in yourself , do you fell emotions are effeminate, or are you using the term 'gay' in a lighthearted sense ? Regards, Cloud

As the experience retreats further into the past, Ive been browsing about for material that resonates. I just found this passage in a compilation of Douglas Harding, OPEN TO THE SOURCE , that is far more eloquent than my own attempts . "I am at large in the world . I can discover no watcher here , and over there something watched , no peep-hole out into the world, no windowpane , no frontier . I do not detect a universe : it lies wide open to me ." Just wanted to share that little gem. It really pushes my buttons ( in the nicest possible way ) Regards, Cloud

Another question for the australians. In some of the more esoteric systems Ive glanced at , they become quite particular about practices performed on certain hours of the day, facing certain directions of the compass,even directing awareness to certain constellations overhead, etc. Are these systems of symbolic correspondence designed for practitioners in the Northern Hemisphere only. Are their any adjustments for practitioners in the Southern hemisphere ? REgards, Cloud