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Well, I certainly read an account about the letters of ancient China.

There was a sign - "eight people" that is linked to 船 - ship. It seems to point the entry of the eight people of Noah's family into the ark.

This event took place in 3000BC , and the invention of Han characters by Cang Ji took place shortly afterwords.

There is some book that analysed more than 130 Han characters, and studied possible blood links between ancient Hans and Noah... They said something about Japheth beeing linked with beauty of nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Noah#Japheth.27s_descendants

The book of Enoch talks in detail about these events. There are links with the mysteries of Egypt, aliens, giants, and many other things.

Any info that can help us grow in cultivation is welcomed on this forum.

Hi Everybody,

 

My name is wilson and im a healer. If anybody have any problems be it physical or spiritual please let me know. i will do my best to help

Hi Wilson,

I sent you a message.

Peace and Blessings

Thanks a lot !

I found a reference to this

"Penetration Through Sound", the first of the "Twenty-five Methods of Complete Penetration"

http://www.purifymind.com/SurangamaSutraChan.htm

"When questioned by the Buddha, I interpreted them correctly and the Tathagata sealed my awakening by naming me Ajnata (The Wondrous Sound Is Secret and Complete). I attained Arhatship by means of sound. As the Buddha now asks about the best means of perfection, to me sound is the best according to my personal experience."

It seems that this method of enlightenment through sound is also used in Zen (sometimes reffered to as "suizen" or blowing zen)

So, am i 'me', or are my thoughts 'me', or does 'me' also exist within the potential of where these thoughts could lead? If i then choose to identify with the ever-evolving potentialities of thought as belonging to 'me' as much as all the other aspects of mind do, then i would hope that this will make 'me' better equipped so as not to unconsciously and inadvertently find, when its too late, that i am being ridden by my thoughts. This is the plan anyways.

In Mysterious Scripture of the Grand Cavern one can read about

The Five Difficulties

1.Giving to the poor when one is oneself poor

2.studying the Dao when one is rich and powerful

3.Controling one's destiny to achieve deathlessness

4.Being able to see the scriptures

5.Being born at the time when the Sage of the Latter Age will appear

One difficulty which I see is controlling your thoughts when there are drips in the sea of consciousness.

If someone would inject you with steroids directly in the brain, would you "ride your thoughts" or would you "being ridden by the thoughts"?

Could you maintain perfect clarity and stillness in these conditions?

Or someone who is awake and already enlightened, can maintain his enlightenment when somebody physically covers his pineal gland with toxins and steroids?

Can a person lose his enlightenment? And if yes, how can he get it back if he has the difficulties described above?

Well, there have been some interesting replies.

I agree with you, the concept is to remove the dust, to return to your inner child, to lose rather then to gain.

Yesterday on another post I read about a story in which initial stages of meditation induced emotions like anger, crying, anxiety - and then the guy stopped the meditation just when he started to make some progress.

The reason I posted here about this sound is because a really cool story about a friend of mine.

He took a lot of ginseng for many years and then became ill with some autoimune disease.

The doctors prescribed him steroids (prednisone). Apparently the steroids combined with ginseng gave a really nasty effect, and he become manic for a couple of days. I know this as I visited him at the hospital.

Anyway, they released him, and after a couple of years in which he complained of constant tinnitus, I met him the other month.

He showed me this picture

He said that one day he listened to the sound of tingsha bell Meditation (see the youtube link) on loud volume, and felt that something vibrate inside of head. Then felt that something breaks into pieces and had a terrible headache for 2 days. He is a very quiet guy, but in these 2 days he said he became very agitated like being on steroids again.

And here comes the big thing: on the third day he experienced a surge of melatonin and slept like a baby, best sleep in the last 15 years.

The only reasonably explanation for this (and I agree with him) is that his pineal gland was covered with toxins (from the steroids doctors gave him). You all hear about fluoride and calcification of pineal gland.

He always felt something was there and when he went to sleep, he felt his head trembling (maybe the release of melatonin was blocked by toxins ?) . Anyway, after he heard the sound, the pineal gland which is crystal and has piezoelectric qualities, went into vibration. The things on it shattered in pieces, and he is now a changed man. No tinnitus, no disease, just cool, relaxed. He listens to the sound every day now and said it reminds him of some feeling from his childhood.

I know this guy from 5th grade so I know he's telling the truth, we're good friends.

There must be something with the sound after all, otherwise it would not be called Medicine Buddha ...

Of course this is not full Enlightenment, maybe some initial phase.

The thing is, I read a story about a Zen monk. One early morning, while he was listening to the monastery bell, he experienced the small temporary enlightenment. After many years, more experiences and meditation, had two or three experiences like this (only longer and deeper?) and then he obtained full definitive enlightenment.

So I think there must be something to this.

I read about a discussion between two enlightened buddist monks... don't remember where

The youngest asked the master about the quickest way to reach enlightment, and the master replied there

are many paths, but the quickest is through sound.

Did any of you reached enlightment this way? Can you share specific sounds, ideas, etc?

I found a very special file on youtube that really works at quieting the monkey mind.

The frequency of the sound has deep and profound effects, has some vibrational qualities.

Please share your thoughts.

Hi Matt, and thanks for sharing your wonderful experience !

I found a great video for the heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMv1JXuI4d8&feature=related

Inner Smile and heart healing sound seem to be very healing too.

I must implement all these into my daily practice.

Please share more info about the heart meridian.

I found here

http://damo-qigong.net/qigong/excise/page101.htm

a picture with the nine steps of "disciplining the heart"

The picture is bellow (just click it)

However I do not understand what the symbols mean. (and the chinese characters)

And about the timing - these nine steps must be done before one starts the waterwheel or it is something that goes parallel with the Internal Alchemy practice?

Please enlighten me with this - I have searched for an answer and found none...

Hi Non,

I am also a weak person. When I was dumped by a girl I loved much, I went home and was kinda restless.

In my mind i wondered: "Is this the faimous lovers pain - which killed so many? What exactly is this pain, did I lose something now that I am alone ?" Then I searched the internet and I found a taoist text that changed my pain forever .

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/ltw2/ltw290.htm

Love and blessings to you , my friend.

Hi. I read Yin Convergence Classic but never read this words... they are on a very high level...

Hexagram 23 and "Life is an endless inconceivable mysterious wonder."

Where do you take this from ? What kind of books did you study ?

Is there a book that has this comments ?

 

Look at it in order:

low serotonin:

impulsivity

sex with anyone (and I mean anyone, they can cross the interspecies barrier or do any form of sex which have no reproductory sense).

 

Middle serotonin

people become more monogamous, are more discerning over who they have sex with.

 

High serotonin

spontaneous orgasms.

 

can you see a trend?

Well I certainly see a trend.

I also have a feeling that something is unfinished here...

Remember the old Taoist saying.

"When the Jing is full there is no more sexual desire"

Look at the article bellow. The mystery of Jing is contained within it

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17656564

PPAR Gamma is a human receptor involved in fatty acid storage and glucose metabolism.

When we are little, we tend to have little adipocyte (fat cells) and strong bones filled with marrow (where the Jing is). As we age, a switch is activated in stem cell activity. They no longer add to bone strength, but to fat...

So, we understand what the old taoist have said, that when one is fat, is harder to keep the pure energy inside bones.

I feel that fasting has many benefits in here. Not only do we keep serotonin and transform it into something more subtle, but our bones will be more healty and more efficient.

The "spontaneous orgasms" will occur only in the beginning (as wet dreams) but as the three worms are being weakened that will happen more and more rarely.

Seratonin is an amine-derived hormone, different from steroid hormones.

The later are not really implicated in spiritual development, only physical. We as humans cannot have it both ways, so we have to choose. Strengthening one will weaken the other.

Of course, in the world nobody will tell the whole truth about all this. Just look how many advertise Androgens, Estrogens, Progestins, Vitamin D and the other. The deceiver has many webs and the one who runs contrary to the Way of the World will be attacked, in order to cover his defeat.

I'm still waiting for someone who has walked this path to share his experiences.

Harmony and love

Very interesting.

I have of course read the wikipedia page, but I was not aware that Mantak Chia had given a neurobiological explanation to all this new stuff he does.

 

Is there a single document where he relates all this? Something like taoist neurophysiology, or similar? :-)

All the info I've got comes from the Internet.

http://www.4shared.com/document/zHsKQxz6/Mantak_Chia_-_Dark_Room_Enligh.htm

http://planetupgrade.blogspot.com/2009/04/dark-room-enlightenment-pineal-gland.html

I was hoping someone would give us more information in here (especially practical)...

Serotonin is an internal painkiller. All internal painkillers are consciousness blockers. They make one believe that a painful experience is not really taking place, shielding the consciousness from the knowledge of the pain while not changing the actual traumatic experience, of course. In moderation, it is protective and allows us to function despite traumatic experiences we are having or have had and have repressed. If it is overproduced in order to cope with pain that is too great (the response is universal and does not differentiate between physical and emotional pain -- serotonin is released in response to both), the system gets overworked and eventually depleted. The current intervention of choice -- SSRIs -- is crazy-making, most receptors for serotonin are distributed throughout the body (with only 2% located in the brain), so SSRIs attempt to "target" an organ that is responsible for 2% of the target substance processing while no one looks at what the remaining 98% are doing to the system as a whole. There's quite a few serotonin receptors in the reproductive organs, e.g., so with SSRIs sexual dysfunction is guaranteed. Jing? Think "dead jing."

 

In a cruel (like all of them) but educational animal experiment, rats were jacked up with serotonin, then put on a hot plate that was being heated up gradually, vs. controls who were also put on a hot plate but weren't on serotonin. The controls jumped off within seconds, unharmed, as soon as they started feeling the heat. The serotonin-boosted rats stayed on the hot plate for eleven minutes (sic) before they felt enough to jump off; their paws were scorched by then. I think this is the best illustration of what serotonin actually does to consciousness.

Very interesting. Indeed serotonin does have an inhibitory effect on pain receptors, like an antidepressant.

But to say that this is all it does, I think it to be an understatement.

Just look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

I'm interested in 2 functions:

1)Effects on growth and reproduction

Human serotonin can also act as a growth factor directly. Liver damage increases cellular expression of 5-HT2A and 5-HT2B receptors.[34] Serotonin present in the blood then stimulates cellular growth to repair liver damage.[35] 5HT2B receptors also activate osteoblasts, which build up bone[36] However, serotonin also activates osteoclasts, which degrade bone.[37]

2)Dark Room Enlightenment

Tryptofan

Seratonin

Melatonin

5MeoTrypt

DMT

To reach the 5th stage (DMT) many days in total darkness are needed. Otherwise, the seratonin molecule is

decomposed into inactive by-products (5-hydroxyindole acetaldehyde) by the enzyme MAO (monoamine

oxidase)

Melatonin (N-acetylseratonin), the neurohormone implicated in sleep, is synthesized directly from

seratonin, by deactivating MAO and inhibiting the destruction of the seratonin molecule MAO

(monoamine oxidase) is deactivated (inhibited) by the beta-carbolene enzymes secreted in the pineal gland:

harmine, harmaline, and pinoline.

I studied the natural food sources of tryptofan and found that the highest concentration of it to be in egg whites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan

Another quote from Dark Room Enlightenment:

"Melatonin is the essential substance required to maintain the hibernation state where spiritual consciousness sustains a peaceful,healthy, loving, and long life. The spiritual vitality producing the biological Jing will be preserved. The person then retains a child-like biological condition where no matured melatonin is wasted in biological continuation."

In this direction, it makes more sense to read any other study/research on the subject by any of the popular scholars which are now easily available all over the web and through Amazon.

 

Just my opinion of course

 

YM

Thank you for your answer.

The thing is that I bought some books on Amazon (the list is bellow) and I'm wondering which comes closer to the Ling-pao Pi-fa.

"

**Tao of Health, Longevity, and Immortality: The Teachings of Immortals Chung and Lu

*Awakening to Reality: The "Regulated Verses" of the Wuzhen pian, a Taoist Classic of Internal Alchemy

*Qi Gong for Total Wellness: Increase Your Energy, Vitality, and Longevity with the Ancient 9 Palaces System from the White Cloud Monastery

*The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine: A New Translation of the Neijing Suwen with Commentary

*Cultivating the Energy of Life by Hua-yang Liu (Paperback)

**Early Daoist Scriptures (Daoist Classics , No 1)

**Revealing the Tao Te Ching: In-depth Commentaries on an Ancient Classic

*Understanding Reality: A Taoist Alchemical Classic

*The Inner Teachings of Taoism: The essentials of self-transformation according to the Complete Reality School of Taoism, with commentary by Liu I-ming

*The Book of Balance and Harmony: These essays, conversations, poetry, and songs about the secrets of Taoism teach how to live a centered and orderly life

*Practical Taoism - Cleary

*Harmonizing Yin and Yang - Eva Wong

*The Secret of the Golden Flower: A Chinese Book of Life -Wilhelm

*The Secret of the Golden Flower - Cleary

*The Secrets of Chinese Meditation: Self-Cultivatio​n by Mind Control As Taught in the Ch'An, Mahayana and Taoist Schools in China - Charles Luk

*The Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic: The Taoist Guide to Health, Longevity, and Immortality -Stuart Olson

**Qigong Teachings of a Taoist Immortal: The Eight Essential Exercises of Master Li Ching-yun -Stuart Olson

*Nourishing the Essence of Life: The Outer, Inner, and Secret Teachings of Taoism - Eva Wong

*Taoist Yoga: Alchemy & Immorta​lity - Charles Luk

*Thunder in the Sky: Secrets on the Acquisition and Exercise of Power

**Vitality, Energy, Spirit: A Taoist Sourcebook (Shambhala Dragon Editions)

*The Magus of Java: Teachings of an Authentic Taoist Immortal - Kosta Danaos

*Taoist Meditation -Thomas Cleary

*Cultivating Stillness - Eva Wong

"

I know that are many sites that offer a structured list of steps for Taoist Internal Alchemy Practice.

But just using this books, how would you order them ?

Start with the Secret of the Golden Flower ?

And what comes next ?

Even if we won't actually do the practice, some kind of structuring of these books would be nice.

The Scripture of the Definitive Methods of the Precious Spirit.

This book is recommended at the end of "Teachings of Chung and Lu"

However I can't seem to find this book anywhere.

The national library of Australia has it (in chinese)

http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/624877

Has any of you looked into this book? What does it contain ?

Here you are, my friends.

http://www.viikii.net/channels/goto/journeytothewest2010#

ENJOY!

Thank you very much for Guanzi. I read a chapter and it was very useful.

Please put link for Volume 2

And if you can help me with a book I try to buy for the last 3 years, but no luck (I find only used versions which will not ship to my location).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tao-Health-Longevity-Immortality-Teachings/dp/1570627258

I saw you have available a book by Ewa Wong, this would be very useful...

Thanks again, you are very kind.

Hi Jox

 

Here we go, my best recommendations:

 

Nw if you can find this book, you should have it like Gold treassure because is so hard to find, nowdays:

 

Hsi Yu Chi : A mission to Heaven. A great Chinese epic and allegory by Ch'iu Ch'ang Ch'un. Transl. by Timothy Richard. [illustr.] 1913 Shanghai

 

http://www.amazon.com/mission-heaven-great-Chinese-allegory/dp/B00086D7F6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271497945&sr=1-2

Hi TianXian

Is this the book ?

http://www.amazon.com/Mission-Heaven-Great-Chinese-Allegory/dp/1112449922/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3KGPK5IQZIZ2F&colid=2WGTX1B0Y6L3H

Can you tell me what kind of information contains ? Should I buy it?

All I could find was it original date: 1913, and some links to the Journey to the West.

Everybody has some good points.

Just some quotes from my mind :

"Those who are like little children will receive the Revelation of Mysteries."

"Those who are married should be as those who are single"

"Everyone has a Gift. Love will give meaning to it and the Gift will make fruits."

Peace and Love to everybody !

Hello to all

 

If you don't already know about Tonic Gold, check out www.tonicgold.com -- AND if you decide you'd like to purchase a bottle, you can enter the discount code "vitality" (without the quotation marks) for 10% off.

 

I've used Tonic Gold, on and off, for around five years now, and love it -- how it shifts my energy in a very noticeable way -- a sweet-warm flow of light, is the best way I can describe it. Makes my yoga, qigong, sitting practices deeper, & more expansive. Check it out.

 

MilaNow

Hi MilaNow,

I'm glad you posted this. I asked for info about Tonic Gold a month ago but it seems nobody tried it...

I want to ask you:

1.Which one did you try? Original or Professional with GotuKola, or Professional with Cordyceps? Which one is better?

2.Petri Murien designed this Tonic Gold a continuation of the work of Paracelsus. Do you think it is the same Gold that Paracelsus wrote about?

It seems to be many versions of this potable gold... I read about the Indian one, about Ko Hung, even in the Bible the Jews used it. I wonder what are the differences between them.

3.For now I am interested more in the physical health. What would be the best option for me? Cordyceps or GotuKola?

Thanks

If ever we find something wisely said by the pagans, we should not scorn it with the name of the author . . . but as the apostle says, "Test all things, holding fast what is good."

--Origen, Homily on Exodus (2nd century A.D.)

If people find themselves in this way in pure nothingness, is it not better for them to do something to drive away the darkness and the abandonment? Should such people not somehow pray, read, listen to a sermon, or carry out other works that are virtuous so as to help themselves? No! Understand this truly that remaining quite still and for as long at a time as possible is the best thing you can do.

--Meister Eckhart

If you keep a pure and a sincere heart you will find a way to continue your practice and the other people will gradually be silenced.

Just keep to the path of LOVE

Your quote "The Tao does not have bad timing" is explained wrong. That is why you have mistaken the meaning of it.

 

The phrase tell you that there is a use for all the time period in nature. But depends on what you are trying to get from the training.

 

Let me give my examples and experience...

 

If you want to train something that is positive, you need more yang energy, so you can train around the daytime, 11-1pm, pretty much enough yang energy for you.

 

If you want to train something that is negative, such as the five ghost methods, you need the yin energy so you go train at night, 9-11pm. That gives you the negative energy, yin qi you need for doing it.

 

So tao give you all the time you need and you have to use it wisely.

 

We are human, not these cat and mice. So we follow what human are suppose to follow in nature. If you want to be a mice or cat, you can try following them of course. They are part of nature, but their body is dfferent and that is why mice are always so dirty and negative. They are dirty. If you have mice around the house, you will be sick soon or later. If you like to compare yourself to mice and cats, why do you live in a home and sleep in your bed, just go out and sleep in the grass or even in tunnels like them.

 

This means human do develope a way of living and you surely did already get used to it and it is passed down from generations to generations by DNA too. So we must learn the way of tao by knowing this theory and cycle behind us. Use it wisely.

 

We are human, we need yang qi (mainly) to servive and live a life. So we much sleep at night to avoid the YIn energy coming in and we need more Yang energy in the body.

 

That was a mis-understanding to the taoism text. But good that you heard of it.

I always tell my student..

 

"Tao really give you everything, but you do have to need the knowledge to use it wisely. Or else you are just fooling yuorself with fantacy"

 

If you know that tao have no bad timing, it doens't really means that all the periods are good for ONE type of practise. You must know how to use the resource of nature WISELY by understanding the theory behind first and then work around it.

 

If you think RICE is good for health, can you JUST EAT RICE all the time and get all the nutrients you need for living? the answer is NO. You can try, but that is a foolish way to eat though.

You words are acceptable. But my point was ADAPTABILITY and NO FIXATION.

For example, you are used to eat rice at 10 AM, chicken at 2 PM, and soup at 6 PM. Does it mean that is important to eat the same food at the same time for the rest of your life? Can't you have some variety in your food and your timing? Is it healthy to be stuck in the schedule?

Of course, the recommended lifestyle is sleep at night and be awake at day. But there are times when is better to go with other program (temporarily).

If you happen to be in a desert - is better to sleep when the sun is hot and to walk in the evening or night when is more tolerable. Or maybe you met a dear friend who was unseen for decades, and you have only one night to talk with him (all night). It is better to adapt your lifestyle and use that night to catch up.

But the best example would be DARK ROOM RETREATS, Mantak Chia also has this type of training.

These retreats last for weeks, the room is totally dark, and people inside do not know when is day or night.

But the results obtained are very good and worth modifying the sleep pattern. And I don't think that this training is for something negative.

There are some accomplished taoists need only 1 hour of sleep/day. Is there a problem that they are awake much of the night?

So my point is not that all the periods are good for one type of practice. My point is that there are many types of circumstances and many types of practices (which can extend themselves over many weeks). FLEXIBILITY and ADAPTIBILITY are important, people must see the PRINCIPLE and not the TECHNIQUE.

If we look at nature, there are many animals that are nocturnal, the opposite of the diurnal human lifestyle.

The intermediate crepuscular schedule (twilight activity) is also common. There are some reasons for this.

1. A form of niche differentiation, where a species' niche is partitioned not by resources but by time itself

2. Keeping out of the heat of the day

Other animals, like cats, rabbits and mice, have the behavior of sleeping partly during the daytime and partly during the night (metaturnal).

I read a Taoist Text in which the timing was discussed briefly, which stated that "The Tao does not have bad timing."

Some people say that the hour of Tzu (11 PM - 1 AM) and Wu (11 AM - 1 PM) ar the most auspicious times for practice. These are the periods when yin and yang energy begin the waning and waxing.

But this does not mean that practice at other times would not be successful.

Thank you for your answer.

Yes, I have the two books you mentioned. I practiced TFT for a year and some Chi Kung exercises.

I am twenty nine years old, not forty , but I feel I'm not in the same shape I was when sixteen. I was wondering if this is actually possible, to look like a sixteen year old and to have a body to the same level of health and flexibility even if you got past that age.

Did you ever met somebody who realized this ?

Excuse me if I sound too silly with my questions, english is not really my first language...

Hope to be understood.