DentyDao

Hi all, I would just like to say that there is an honest debate taking place on the HT forum. Personally, I feel that, far from the yang infused ego stuggle that some have made it out to be, this is a constructive dialoge between two people, who, underneeth a stong difference of opinion genuinely care about the people affected by such things. Frankly, all this talk of harmony and cooperation is a little over preached. It's natural and healthy to have different points of view and even when it's a bit heated, it's important to find the truth in all of this. John Chang, in the beginning, wanted to help humanity by training masters who would work with people to push the envelope of human understanding and consciousness. Sadly it was not to be, because of the immaturity of the people to caught up in greed and jealosy to see the good that could have come out of it. The reasons I'm sharing my views and the opportunity presented, simply comes from a desire share and I truly gave nothing to gain from either my critism of the HT methods or the offer to study with David. You might be interested in the ongoing discussion there, which I am now commited to following through in order to offer a different point of view than the one Michael has been offering since I met him in 98. Just for the record, I did earn my certification and practiced the methods taught for five years, everday. During three of these, I lived with Michael at the Healing Dao Center in the Catskills. I was on good terms with every senior instructor that taught there and was present during many public and private conversations with senior instructors who where there and expressed their concerns about the practices and limitations of this system. Warm regards, Sean

Actually it was the "Big Bitch" comment, among a few other choice ones, that I find a little silly. And this person expresses an interest in joining the group I'm organizing? Actually Dots, you're welcome to come if you're really serious, which I doubt. Why don't you just ask the questions you want to ask instead of trying to slam me; which only calls attention to that fact that you are obiously interested, but to afraid to say so because you think I'll tell you what a loser you are. The truth is I don't know you and I'm not really in a position to say who can participate and who can't. That's up to David. I am offering, as I have said before, to answer any and all serious questions about my experiences and the opportunities presented. Obviously, nobody would be comfortable taking a risk on this training without knowing what they are getting into; which is why I have been privately corrisponding and fielding questions to those who are really interested and have taken two minutes to say so by emailing me. Pretty simple really, Sean

Point taken, but there's nothing wrong with learning some manners. I actually admire tripple dots wild abandon, but some things go a little far and I felt like saying so.

You're welcome. Unfortunitly, most westerners hold these concerns about guru's because of ones who are just out to control people. The Truth is, the guru devotee relationship is beautiful bond of love between friends. The HT's warnings about controling guru's over that last two decades are largly a marketing ploy in my opinion. Anyway, David's relationship with his teachers is one of deep friendship, not control and obedience.

Thanks for that triple dot. Most of the information shared in your posting is a least partly incorrect, but since your whole basis for viewing the world is obviously gathered from books and other snippets of emails you find on the net, this really comes as no surprise. I see the type of behavior you have exhibeted all over this website everyday in my classroom of young teenagers. The sense of entitlement, fueled by a lack of maturity and false pride is all to common in our modern day. Your generation, largly raised on TV and video games has a lot of growing up and catching up to do to do. God help you.

Thanks for the good words and support. Feel free to post the links. Best

There's a few new points in the above letter too; incase your interested.

You might be intested in this post regarding opportunities to meet a master: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showto...1864&st=100 As to the sex question, I really couldn't spectulate, but I would invite you to consider that overcoming desire might not negate the possibility of enjoyment. The historical Buddha was a rather happy fellow and, even though, he didn't have a girl friend, many Buddhas do have girl friends and seem to rather like getting it on if the pictures painted of them hold any truth.

1. David has spent the last 15 years traveling in Asia and much of that researching as an anthropologist. He has met and studied with many masters, but always trained in withteh method that he feels is the best; the one he currently teaches. Several of his masters teach this method and it is also common to, I think, three of the major lines of the Dao, making it an ideal method. The fact that David has trained many masters and received the blessing of these masters, who use their qi to greatly speed up the progress of the practice, has benifited his practice and understanding in many ways. While each master has something different to offer, David has commited himself to the Lei Shan Dao training that he is currently undergoing for the next two to three years. Meaning that Sherfu J is his primary master and the one who's method David personally trains in. The Dao is vast and there is much to learn. 2. Superpowers are simply a natural outcome of correct practice and, as such, they represent a much more profound internal transformation. As many of you have rightly stated, these powers are not the goal. They are however very specific indications of the level of internal development of "the body-mind" of a given individual. 3. If one is in full control of his mind and sexual energy, why is there a need for sex? Having sex is not part of the method of practice, but many people have sex for personal enjoyment; from what I've gathered, most of the masters have a pretty normal sex life. I guess I'm not sure what your asking here? Best, Sean

Yes, it's possible this could be arranged. More information soon.

Lou is an old master of David's and a good friend of his most current master, Sherfu J. This is just one master that David introduces to his students. I guess he doesn't take many students. Best, Sean

Sorry, I just want to be clear. What exactly do mean by meat?

Yes, because your going to hurt yourself. John Dijang has never successfully taught any student to reach the basic acheivment of level four. In thirty years no one has been successful. 60% of the students who train with him, even at the lowest level, end up with serious health issues. And your claiming you have just figured it out on your own? I'm not trying to insult you, I just want you to avoid health problems. I could be wrong; perhaps your on to something. If this is the case than more power to you.

In a few days, I'll post a few final reflections and give some resources for those who care to delve further. I will include details about the abilities I was shown and perhaps talk briefly about the various levels of this type of training and the abilities that indicate mastery over these levels or achievments. At that point, I will have shared what I think is reasonable and sensable. I hope that this becomes a stepping stone for those of you who were taken with Kostas writing, if you wish it. That's really all I'm trying to do here. Thank you, Sean

No offense taken. 52 is young baby! By the way the Gong that I speak of is not martial in nature. Yes, we have some cranky old people in our group already, so maybe you could cheer them up.

Hey Wayfarer, I don't think I could make it any clearer. I wouldn't use the term recruite.

Really? The people at Shaolin Wahnam are claiming this is high level stuff. Maybe I'll get out there and see if I can bust up some clouds. I know how you feel. As I said before, you need three things to be successful; correct method, correct technique and a teacher who's interested in teaching and has the ability. The Healing Dao has none of the three requirements. Normal Oh? do tell.