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Oh that was your point. Yes, you need a teacher if you what to be a 'Jedi.' There are saints who reach a high level of achievement through a life of devotion and prayer on their own. This is very rare. maybe you are a saint in the making. If so, keep up the good work St. Lozen. Keep healing the sick and levitate a few times for me.

I think this kind of goes with out saying. Nobody has a monopoly on God and life is a beautiful wanderful adventure just the way it is without worrying about what others think of you.

Now you've got the spirit. A crack has appeared in the darkness. Stay open.

I think Randi has elevated skepticism to the level of a cult. What he's saying is that he is the ultimate judge. This is retarded. At some point in the next few decades a group of serious thinkers will bare out the facts. Look at the history of science; every hundred years evreything we thought we knew changes completely, It's evolving toward the realization the power of the mind is creating "reality" and whatever we can dream eventually becomes reality. This is why it's important to keep an open mind. This doesn't mean ordinary people can just go outside with no training and fly around like immortals, but the technology is out there for that too. We put a man on the moon and there are still people who don't believe it. Not because they think it's a conspiracy; they're just that stupid. This is basic Buddhism.

An important point.

Hey Wayfarer, I think everybody here gets it. Just a thought. Careful, obsession can be harmful to your health. I did pray for you last night; I prayed for all beings, you included.

I think Mark and the Hard Light crew are legit and totally cool. I didn't get a chance to sit with Mark when I was in LA last month. I checked his schedule when I was there, but there weren't any openings over the holiday. Next time definitly. S

I'm sorry, but I still don't buy it. I'm hardly a young man and I'm also a father and husband. I have eyes and a heart to see. So why is it that every other time I post you seem to show up and make comments about snake oil and fakes and, of course, there are all the other instances where you did openly put me down out of the blue because you 'don't like the way I operate' and think I lack character. I think you need to reflect on the reality of what's happened here. You feel threated by me, period. Compassion is the desire to help someone when they're in trouble. I want to suggest that you stick to your promise and keep me on the ignor function of your user control. I think it would be good for your mental health; I will also pray for you. S Until another day.

Hey Sean, First I would remind you that David's teachers are not my personal teachers. David, my teacher, However has encouraged them to share as much as they can comfortably. And both John Chang (at least at one point in time)and several others have publically said they have a deep desire to help humanity by sharing what they know. John chang even allowed a book to be written about him and was very much planning to spread the teaching. I don't pretend to know why the masters keep their teachings on the down low, but some of davids masters are very much interested in sharing. For the record I was also talking about all enlightened teachers, sorry if that didn't come through. So if we look it that way, we have some real examples like many of the Buddhas who used miracle powers to inspire and heal. Have you read the Opening of the Dragon Gate? It's the life story of Wang Liping; the same master David is currently living with. In the book Wang in his teachers are constantly on the move to avoid getting noticed by the government as the cultural revolution is in full swing. People like this are closely watched by the government even today. Shifu Wang is in constant contact with high officials of the Chinese government which both guards him as an asset and keeps careful watch over him. They are very aware of David's presence in China, and often call when he's there to ask questions. While many of these masters have incredible powers, they are not invulnerable like superman and I would speculate that they are very cautious about there dealings with foreign scientists. Shifu J is not even permitted to leave the country without what's called a guarantor; that's some one who vouches for him to the government of China. My other speculation is that the really high level beings that David has met are primarily interested in helping people progress in their cultivation. Medical technology to them would be viewed as fairly mundan in comparison to helping someone achieve enlightenment. When I first arrived in Thailand and met with David, he pulled a little bottle out of his office and took out two pieces of raw mercury that had been touched my an immortal master. the one Michael Winn is so convinced is a hallucination. He's quite real and well known in China- David even showed us pictures of him that were very convincing. His name is Da Zhen and he, I'm told, over a thousand years old. Anyway, David showed us each of the pieces of mercury; one was a perfect half sphere an the other a semi hard sphere. These had been simple touched by Da Zhen; One with yin qi and one with yang. When I touched the yang peice it zapped me a little. This is what I mean when I say the masters touch can take you to a new level in an instant. When the master touches your body, the alchemical elixir of Daoist legend begins to grow automatically. The real philosophers stone. Anyway, Da Zhen told David that he was not his teacher but that he would 'open the way for David.' He, with a touch, gave David the clear light. This is what allows David to sense the presence of other masters and what allowed him access into these circles. You see it's the master who picks the students. The student who has not met certain spiritual requirements will be a less likely candidate over others more willing and sincere. Simple really, Any real master wants to direct his energy toward the students he feels will most likely succeed. Anyway, I have shared a lot here, but I'm willing to go out on a limb to share here. If you are interested I would be happy to discuss any questions people have. Things are changing slowly. S

You know, I have been grossly misunderstood by you and that's a shame. I was under the impression that I was on your ignor list, but you seem to just follow me where ever I post. With all your accusations of fackery and snake oil you would think that perhaps you spent some time in China or Asia as serious monk or lay practitioner. But the reality is you have not and your writing about Taoism, and qigong are really pretty basic. I just don't have any respect for you left. That's another thing Buddhists do when see negitive qualities. They stop respecting the person and stop taking them seriously. No one has even metioned you're name on this thread, but you just have to show up to throw doubts and accussations. I mean it would be one thing if I went on a thread you started, or in response to a post you made directly to me and started casting doubt and questioning your credibility, but I haven't done that. It's always you reacting that way to my posts and my writing and throwing a tantrum when I give it back to you. Stop following me around the forum like a wounded dog trying to nip at my heals. How old are you for God sake man have some self respect. I'm more than happy to make peace with you, but this kind of behavior is not going to get you anywhere. As a Buddhist, I also do not believe in turning the other cheek. As the Buddha taught, if someone trys to attack you, you should defend yourself. Otherwise the person attacking you will get the bad karma of their actions. Put your hand up for example when someone trys to hit you. Peace my friend, S To the people who feel for Wayfarer in this whole thing. The guys has been angry with me since probably my first post and he just won't quite. He can't read my comments right now because he has included me on his ignor list in an attempt to do I don't really know what. Go ahead and reveiw my posting if you want to. I have never, up to this point, gone on a thread he started or just out of the blue gone in and criticized this guy. He just thinks I'm Satin I guess... I really don't know what for. I guess it's possible that he really feels that I'm responsable for his hurt feelings. If this is the case, I feel for him, but I'm not responsable for the emotional state of a grown man. He got himself into hs current state and no one here can take him out but him. To think otherwise is an illusion. If anybody feels moved to, please let him know that I am... A)not trying to recruite students for David. Or ripe people off. I am here of my own free will and don't receive any payment or incentive for being here other than persoanl enjoyment. Just sharing. B)think he is a good person and care for him even though I don't respect him or his actions. Who knows maybe he has some issues. I don't know but I'm beginning to wonder.

I don't think I'm saying he's totally unique, but I assure you the masters are. Wang Liping is probably as close to Buddhahood as anyone on the planet; they say he can duplicate his body into the hundreds, maybe more; this is the real immortal body. And yet, even people who accept the possiblity that this could be real, dismiss it as some kind of side track. It boggles my mind. The fact that I can't cure cancer has nothing to with my argument. Jonah was saying that anybody can do this stuff which is total nonsense. But, of course I'm not saying that there aren't others out there with healing ability. Where do you come up with this stuff? I totally believe Mat Black's master is legit. At least he understands that there is some practice involved in gaining this ability. I want this stuff to be in every town on the planet. Are you suggesting otherwise? That makes sense. I don't think I said anything to the contrary. ..is your perception of me. Please take your blinders off. I'm not saying I have a monopoly on God. That would be insanity. Cute, but also meaningless and pointless. Next... Trust me. If I had a million dollars, I'd take every one of you to China with me and you would be shitting your pants. Changing water into wine is just the tip of the iceburg. Of course I have no way to prove anything I'm saying; most people here probably think I'm crazy. I don't really care.

U.G. Krishnamurti - Outrageous Statements http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=22...hnamurti+videos

I think we can safely assume that Wayfarer has now included you on his ignor list.

Thanks, I just checked out the website. I'm continually impressed with you Australians. Very cool. Imagine what would happen to world health if governments started training doctors to do this.

That's awsome Mat, Who's your teacher? If you don't mind my asking. I'd love to hear about him. Sincerely, Sean

Hey Wayfarer, Nice to see you reading my post. Does this mean I'm off the ignor list? If so, no hard feelings. Nobody's perfect, myself included. Best, Sean

So how do you think he faked it? I've watched the documentary and the only possibility of a trick I saw would be if all of the scientists themselves were in on it. This is actually a criticism people have used, something I feel is highly unlikely considering they are paid to be objective and have nothing to gain ether way. S