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We also see this echoed in popular culture in the movie the matrix where this release method is used to boost power. Indeed, this release method can be Too powerful!

Of course this is nothing new the Christian community has mastered the Sacred Pause. Their's has a slightly different approach which I feel is more effective; it's called 'pause'... and RELEASE. A far superior technique, I think you will agree Cameron. Pause and RELEASE

I really do need to move on, but I will add a few more points. There are a lot of problems that the HT practices cause that are counter productive to cultivation. The big one, and the most popular, being the sexual practices. The only way you would know this was happening would be to go and see an authentic master. Unless you did this you might have no serious side effects, just a lower quality of life and weakened organs. Peace, S

Nice to see you enjoying yourself Spyrlex. Please know that I share non of 'your' concerns or your enjoyment.

Tell that to the people who spent a decade or more with Chia and Winn. I think they might see things a little differently. Lot's of health problems; and many of the original HT people have now died rather unbecoming deaths at what I would consider a relatively young age. One example: when I was working for Michael a young lady named Fern from the East coast called the HT hotline. She had taken the basic HT course and practiced her smiling and the other fundamentals, but one day she was practicing and something went wrong. She became very mentally unbalanced and began having panic attacks; she was getting all kinds of ill effects. She even became fearfull to leave her apartment, worried that she might have a panic attack or become disoriented in a public setting. She was upset when she called. Michael tried to help her, but he couldn't. Whatever he suggested just made the problem worse. After a few calls asking for more help. Michael told us not to take her calls. He got angry and started telling us 'this is why he doesn't play the master game and people needed to take responsability for there own practice and not leach others time and energy.' Mean while Fern's situation grew worse and worse and she was calling the retreat begging for help or she would sue. Michael refused to help her or talk with her about her problem. It was very sad for all of us and created a pretty dark mood in the office that month. Sadly, none of us could have helped her even if we had wanted to. There were several calls like this that I personally took. Nobody was very interested or capable of helping these people. I still get letters from people all the time who have side effects from the practice; most of them are minor, but some are serious. But, aside from the fact that some people have health problems from the HT practices, the other half of the pie is the fact that they don't work. You can't take a method here and a technique there and mix it all up and come out with a functional system. It's a business venture not a spiritual practice. Some might argue that you can practice cooking or any activity and make it spiritual, but this, while it might be true, is a far cry from the promise and intention that has been presented by the HT. S

Pat, Thank you for your very thoughtfull approach. There is still some disapointment about my experience with Michael Winn, mostly sadness that people will continue to be fooled; not that he's totally evil. I would say it's more of a lack of respect than anger. Michael Winn called me to iron things out after our heated exchange on the HT forum, but as you can see from the letter I posted above, this only led to further insult. I feel I have found a much better place to devote my time and energy and moved on, but I really do appreciate your understanding. In the end 'we are all on the same bus.' P.S. Thanks to those who sent me PM's, you words are also appreciated and I'm glad you a few feel they benifited from what I written on the forum here.

Hey, This is your chance to kick me while I'm down everyone. Come on you know you want to

Spyrelx, I just posted my note above and didn't see your letter. I really am sorry you were so offended. But as I said, my comments about the Learner where meant as a totally tongue and cheek ribbing. My 'flame' was so obviously 'over the top,' that I didn't think anyone here would take it seriously. I was simply trying to illustrate the absurdity of the whole affair. I'm not at all angry at anyone. I'm a pissed that someone, probably Sharp-nose, has been emailing me hate mail, but it's part of the deal; when you put yourself out there, some people are bound to be critical. Just for the record, I'm not representing anyone. I'm human just like you and I'm certainly not a sage or some kind of Daoist Master. If people want to hold me up to 'higher standard' and single me out, there is really nothing I can do about it. I prefer to just be myself and let all my flaws and imperfections be expressed along with the good. I never dreamed that I would attract the kind of attention I sometimes do and quite frankly, it's not something I really care a whole lot about. The fact that some people (you included) seem to want to address 'my' personal issues on a thread that has nothing to do with 'me' boggles my mind. Why would anyone care that much? Why are people judging a school that I have been a part of for less than a year based on my behavior? I'm just not willing to take these people too seriously. Yes, I can be an asshole. Yes, I'm totally human and imperfect. But who are you to judge me. Are you saying there is no drama in your life? I think we could all use a little lightening up, don't you. Best, S

No problem. Yeah, you are probably right. I'm more annoyed than anything, but there are much better ways to spend my free time; thanks for reminding me. I get all inspired to tell the 'truth' and then I realize I'm talking to some teenager from Poland? Like anybody really cares. Anyway, back to reality. I have said my peace and really have nothing further to add. People can make up their own minds. How about frisbee golf. Now there's a gay sport

They have been duped and some even brainwashed. Before you start making judgements about David, wouldn't it more rational to meet him or speak with him personally? Just a thought. They are sick. Plain and simple. Interesting that you mention Andreas and Kostas and John Chang? Hmmm... There is one or two of these people on the proboard. Again, they are sick and need help. What they fail to understand in their desperation to be accepted, is that people would be happy to accept them if they just ask and be honest in the first place. And besides, no one has a monopoly on Taoism. Anyone with the heart and desire can find a good teacher. Some even teach for free. Interesting that you noticed these people and I did not. Hmmm.... Maybe your good at spotting these kinds of people for a reason? Yeah, the sounds like more BS and right in line with what I would expect from you. The opposite is infact true. These kinds of dishonest people are not attracted to what David teaches. They lose interest when they realize it's NOT ABOUT POWER. If you want to study a school, I would suggest SOME ACTUAL STUDY instead of making silly judgements over the internet. My guess is you have never even met Michael Winn. Fine, maybe you should have just made this your point instead of personally insulting me with you amature psycho analysis. Spare me. I'm sure everyone here is delighted to hear all about what a great and humble student you are. Next time please leave me out of it.

Sharpnose questioned my character, motives and heart. From what? and why? I responded to his silly post with an equaly silly post. I'm not really interested in making internet buddies. I respect your sensativity, but I have a right to respond to people in kind when they call me a liar and engage in pointless personal attacks. I have had plenty of respectful and meaningful exchanges here. Your lack of ability to see this is your problem. I think I have done that here. If you disagree show something more convincing than accusations. Let's see some balanced examples of me being 'rude' when the other party didn't start attacking first? Look carefully at my posts and you will see people saying all kinds of rude imflamitory remarks, backed up with little or no real knowledge about me or what I'm saying. Learner, I'm really sick and tired of your bullshit. Take off your rose colored glasses. What I have to say is challenging and contraversial, so naturally I will have critics. But when people just get pissed off and start making useless and unskillfull accusations I answer back; And I will NOT bow down to your distorted sensabilities nomatter what your personal opinion of me is. Peace out, S

Thank you. I'm not looking for allies, but Max has a history with HT and it's why he understands my comments have real meaning. I apologize if my criticism of the HT seems like an unwarrented 'attack.' If this is the case it is only due to my own lack in expressing myself clearly. I hold no ill will to anyone, but the truth is the truth and I will not hide what I know and bite my tongue. As a service, to those who may be hurt by what I have shared. I will post a compiled list of teachers who I feel are genuine. My personal research extends much further then David Shen and people here might benifit from my opinions on the matter. Even if, in the grand scheme, what I know is very limited, I have spent time with people who have devoted their lives to finding authentic teachers. I will dig up my notes and and post some reflections this Summer. Yours, S

I haven't seen you be anything but insulting. Actually, his teaching is his responsability because he is authorized as a direct lineage holder of the methods he teaches. I'm starting to get a clearer picture of who you are. What's this? You are living up to all my intuitions about you. So what? you have a pirited video of my teacher; probably more of the stuff that Chia tried to steal from David and publish without permission. Good thing it's all useless demos you fuck wit. I prefer to take it as more bullshit from a crazy person which you clearly are. You don't want to fight? Hmmm... isn't that exactly what you want? You coward!!! What's your real indentity Hmmm... Your not from Poland, your one of he few true crazy Mofo's who has been emailing me and harrassing my fellow students from day one aren't you??? I could be wrong, but I smell a rat. Oh no, thank you Sharpie. You have made me realize that I need to very careful who I give information to. You are nothing but a wanna be. I've seen it soooo many times. It's really old hat. Peace, S To Pat G. No, your right, I don't. I think if you were in my shoes you might understand my position a little more clearly. Forgive me for being suspisicious of you. After the last exchange, I now am 99% sure who Sharpnose really is. An old wacko from years ago. But, given our history I suspected it might be you. Sorry to drag you into it; we made are piece and let's keep it that way. Good luck on your journey to China.

But you alway do take me off you ignor list Pat? Make up your mind.

Hi Michael, I think you are a nice guy. My 'flame' was intended as humor to get you off your soap box and make you laugh a little. Sadly your mellow drama continues and this about what a big gerk I am because I Rude to some guy on the internet who basically comes out of nowhere saying I am a heartless power hungry asshole. Then, when I come back and say, " no, your wrong and this is why.' You show up with the same old line about how uncalled for me reponses are. Isn't this really about the fact that I have been critical of someone you respect? I have told the truth about Michale Winn and it rubbed you the wrong way didn't it; because you have looked up to him and incorperated his teachings into your daily life, and now, when I expose some unwholesome experiences I had with him, you go on the defensive. Is it because you would rather try to find something wrong with me as a person than accept that Michael Winn is dishonest?

Us? You mean you and Pat? SO what? LOL, Michael, my god man, lighten up. I know this forum is your personal playground and probably one of your few social outlets, but I don't think I've flamed anyone here in quite a while. But since your so uptight about it I will give you a good flaming just so you done't feel left out. Please don't take this personally, I'm doing this for your own good. Know that I charish every moment spent with you and dream of going to live chat with you one day; and that day that Michael Winn took an extra long lunch break to grace you with his presence, ya man, I was like there too, in spirit (single tear runs down cheek). Anyway, here's a little flame from me to you with love: The learner is such a big baby, Ha Ha. Why is he always lurking around the forum asking people to 'Go to live chat.' It reminds me of an episode of "To catch a predetor" from Dateline NBC. "Let's take it to live chat. Come on guys? Guys? Anybody?" or "Hey, last night at 3am I had hot ass live chat with some dude and talked about how much my wife hates me." And then there was that time he was asking everone here if they thought he should drop acid? He changed his picture to psychidelic rainbow and started counting down to the big day. He kept saying stuff like, "I finally will know what Satori is!" We had everyone weighing the pros and cons and most of us were like ,"Ya, fucking do it!" Then, of course, he starts worrying about his kids, "What if he goes crazy and loses his mind? Who will take care of the kids?" My god man don't dooooooo IT!!! Oh well, there's always live chat. Hey Learner, I change my mind, take the acid! Your fucking boring. Oh the learner, when will he ever learn. Hugs an Donuts dude, See you in live chat. Oh btw, Wimbelton is on bitch!!! Put the kids to bed early and I'll see you in your tennis whites on live chat tonight you big nerd. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In your face Learner.

Your heart is obvisiously wounded. I would suggest some therapy Michael, my comments are meant with sincerity. I'm sorry you think this is a problem. I care about what I say here. When I'm attacked unfairly, I have defended myself in plain words with out worrying about being politically correct. I think 'Sharpnose' is just being judgemental and misrepresenting the facts and I found his comments hurtful. Why are you making this your issue? You don't seem to have any problem getting into it with me when you don't agree with everything I have to say; why does everyone here have to follow your ideas about about behavior? Sincerely, Sean

That's good stuff Max. We should all contemplate our death daily.

LOL, that is priceless. But, I have to say, for all his shortcomings, Michael has good intentions. Just don't let him feed you a bunch of crap if you take his courses; have fun with it. He does know how to be playful and laugh at himself. At least that's something. If you are a more serious practitioner, go to China and do your research. S

I'm defending Taoism. I don't care what people think of 'my school.' There is a difference between training that 'works' and has possible side effects if used incorrectly and training that leads no where and is a relative crap shoot in terms of your health.